I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Ive brought this up numerous times, however each time Im met by a myriad of excuses made up by the fans. All conjecture of course, but theyve got an answer for everything, no matter how ridiculous.
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Ive brought this up numerous times, however each time Im met by a myriad of excuses made up by the fans. All conjecture of course, but theyve got an answer for everything, no matter how ridiculous.
Im sorry that we have answers for your easy questions guys.
It is the truth however that people outside of the company have seen this game in action.
It is the truth that people outside of the company have played the game and reported on it.
The problem is that you people just cant admit where you may be wrong and choose to take any proof and say "That could just be a lie and faked". Well then maybe you shold stop posting till Open Beta or Release. And if that never comes like some of you think, why waste your time on these boards?
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Please post a link to one outside person who has played the game and reported on it.Staged events where people watched a presentation do not represent an outsider actually playing the game AND reporting. Thanks.
Originally posted by imbant
Originally posted by Arcken
Originally posted by Arawon
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Ive brought this up numerous times, however each time Im met by a myriad of excuses made up by the fans. All conjecture of course, but theyve got an answer for everything, no matter how ridiculous.
Im sorry that we have answers for your easy questions guys.
It is the truth however that people outside of the company have seen this game in action.
It is the truth that people outside of the company have played the game and reported on it.
The problem is that you people just cant admit where you may be wrong and choose to take any proof and say "That could just be a lie and faked". Well then maybe you shold stop posting till Open Beta or Release. And if that never comes like some of you think, why waste your time on these boards?
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
What exactly have they been doing for the last 3 years?, UI looks identical.
Good question.
I cant believe this but in the 2005 alpha video a fire ball spell is used, and then again in the 2008 beta video the same identical fire ball spell with the same identical graphics and effects ,and spell icon on the quick bar is used again.
But don’t tell me, I know, its just a coincidence that out of the hundreds and hundreds of spells and skills they have they just happened to of used the same identical one again purely by chance 3 years later.
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Does the fact that I have proved at least one of the visitors and long term supporters who got to visit the offices and see Darkfall, who then wrote an article about it is in fact a personal friend of the developers by his own admission not worry you about the credibility of these sources?
There’s a very good chance all of the anonymous guild members and supporters who have visited and viewed Darkfall are also friends or associates of the developers, they would hardly be impartial to say the least.
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Does the fact that I have proved at least one of the visitors and long term supporters who got to visit the offices and see Darkfall, who then wrote an article about it is in fact a personal friend of the developers by his own admission not worry you about the credibility of these sources?
There’s a very good chance all of the anonymous guild members and supporters who have visited and viewed Darkfall are also friends or associates of the developers, they would hardly be impartial to say the least.
Maby it's just me... but I really have seen NO beta leaks from this game whatsoever. All other MMORPG's in the past I've seen a ton of leaks wherever I turned, but in this case, not even a single screenshot
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Maby it's just me... but I really have seen NO beta leaks from this game whatsoever. All other MMORPG's in the past I've seen a ton of leaks wherever I turned, but in this case, not even a single screenshot
Yeah, it's odd.
I want to play DF as much as anyone, but I'm so close to calling BS on this game. If it releases this year I will be absolutely astonished.
Maby it's just me... but I really have seen NO beta leaks from this game whatsoever. All other MMORPG's in the past I've seen a ton of leaks wherever I turned, but in this case, not even a single screenshot
Why bad habbits of other games have to be imported or introduced to our good practices game ?
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Why bad habbits of other games have to be imported or introduced to our good practices game ?
Not really habits. Just inevitable
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Maby it's just me... but I really have seen NO beta leaks from this game whatsoever. All other MMORPG's in the past I've seen a ton of leaks wherever I turned, but in this case, not even a single screenshot
The great Tasos will smite those who leak any information. There can be only faith.
either that or there are still only 10 testers.. and if any footage is leaked.. it'll be pretty obvouis who it was..
"Luckily I know that while you make nonsnese baiting threads that get locked....threads I make get sticked by the mods on this forum...." -imbant (greatest board warrior EVER) Darkfall Countdown: http://darkfallreleasedate.com/
for animation, you usually have to go deep inside a game engine to change it I think,
Darkfall's animations look archaic, even with just maya rigging and the Quake3 you get much more fluid animation,
Their animation looks really bad, this shows they either have a terrible animator, or they're using a 3rd party engine and don't know how to optimize the animations of it.
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
I think you misunderstood...so sorry i wasnt more clear.
I meant that the people on this forum, which i agree many of whom signed up for the beta, do not represent a large % of the TOTAL amount of people who signed up for DF Beta. Therefore the odds of having someone on this forum get into beta and then also be someone who would break the NDA is slim.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
I think you misunderstood...so sorry i wasnt more clear.
I meant that the people on this forum, which i agree many of whom signed up for the beta, do not represent a large % of the TOTAL amount of people who signed up for DF Beta. Therefore the odds of having someone on this forum get into beta and then also be someone who would break the NDA is slim.
I am also a member on other MMO sites, and have scoured every site I could get my hands on that has to do with MMOs, and not a single one has anyone posting that theyre in the beta, very strange. Im tempted to search the Darkfall forums, however its such a biased site that I think theyd say just about anything in defense of Darkfall, be it the truth or not.
Im also curious how suddenly saying your in a beta is against some NDA? It honestly seems like yet another way the fans come up with a dubious excuse for the many shortcomings involved with Darkfall.
Presenting me with proof of people actually playing in the beta would go a long way in dispelling my own trepidation about Aventurines shadiness.
Seems like people think it's hardcoded game engine as far I can tell by lurking their site it is common c++. So basicly almost every game use Torque Engine if we shall draw same conclution.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
I guess what's so mystrious to me is...here you have a game that seemingly will launch in December and not one person outside the company or beta testers has seen or been able to play or report on the game.Very odd indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
I think you misunderstood...so sorry i wasnt more clear.
I meant that the people on this forum, which i agree many of whom signed up for the beta, do not represent a large % of the TOTAL amount of people who signed up for DF Beta. Therefore the odds of having someone on this forum get into beta and then also be someone who would break the NDA is slim.
I am also a member on other MMO sites, and have scoured every site I could get my hands on that has to do with MMOs, and not a single one has anyone posting that theyre in the beta, very strange. Im tempted to search the Darkfall forums, however its such a biased site that I think theyd say just about anything in defense of Darkfall, be it the truth or not.
Im also curious how suddenly saying your in a beta is against some NDA? It honestly seems like yet another way the fans come up with a dubious excuse for the many shortcomings involved with Darkfall.
Presenting me with proof of people actually playing in the beta would go a long way in dispelling my own trepidation about Aventurines shadiness.
"A very quick update:
We sent out the second batch of beta invites last night and we’re going to continue inviting people as needed by our testing process. There’s no ETA to the invites, we’re moving along based solely on our needs. We might invite more people in as early as tonight, and as frequently as every day. The testers are under strict NDA and it would be very unfortunate if we had to ban people and/or to modify our testing - so we would like to ask everyone to respect our process and procedures, even those of you not yet in the beta.
If you’re not in the beta yet, please don’t take this personally, it’s likely you don’t fit our immediate testing needs. There are a lot of criteria, but it can be as simple as hardware, location, time zone etc. We appreciate your understanding as we're trying to get Darkfall ready, we take this process very seriously."
I would imagine those that are participating in Beta do not want to get banned, I would also imagine no one wants them to change there testing methods at the moment since people are actually getting in to play test.
I guess I can't speak for everyone but I know that if I were in beta (Not saying I am, it's a hypothetical) I wouldn't be telling any of you demanding proof. I mean many of what you guys have asked for as proof has been provided and you have yet to change your doom and gloom tune. So you want one of those that made it into beta to risk a ban or for Aventurine to modify there testing so that YOU had more proof you would simply deny anyways? Yeah right lol.
If you think DF is destined to fail or never launch fine by me
If you think DF is something your interested in then just ignore those with an agenda. The game has just as much chance of failure as any game in development or currently out, there is still a slim chance it will never launch that is also something that goes for every game still in development. Anything is possible.
The Beta is going on right now, they do have a publisher for Europe, They do have a server host. Check the dev journals out they have some info about what Aventurine wants to do with DarkFall also check the main sight out.
As far as on Topic, Again Aventurine has said they have developed there own enginine for DarkFall, Besides the minimal similarities from the video linked to in the OP and the Alpha build I would say there isn't any other similarities. Word of the Devs again against the word of some random anonymus person saying the Devs are lieing again lol. Showing me something that barely resembles the Alpha build and saying it's the engine DarkFall uses doesn't get my vote of confidence sorry.
And again Arcken I highly doubt anyone is going to do what they have been asked and warned against doing just to appease you lol. Anyways I am off again see you guys.
I think a large portion of the community would like to see if everything is on the up and up with the beta. Im going to dismiss your implied jibes, and simply say that again, a little proof of people actually being in the beta wouldnt hurt anyone.
In fact, I believe it would allow those of us on the fence to exhale about it. As it stands all we have to go on is Tasos's word. And frankly that doenst carry much weight with me.
I dont want your cute sidestepping replies, your coy one liners, or beat around the bush approach. I simply would like to see a little proof that people are getting invited, I dont want specifics, I simply want a little proof.
Im not asking out of malice, or spite, or some need to diss Darkfall simply to goad the fans into yet another frothing frenzy. I simply want to know for curiosity sake. So please, enough with the three ring circus over such a small request. Id just like to know SOMEONE is actually getting to play. Nuff said.
This thread has split into two issues which I will address separately.
1. Game Engine
It doesn't matter what game engine they use. They gameplay will speak for itself, good or bad.
Aventurine have stated that they are sacrificing graphical detail to accomodate large-scale battles with as little lag as possible. I support this move as the enjoyable gameplay of smooth, lagless large-scale battles far outweighs graphical detail.
Does anyone disagree with this? Do you think it is better to have more intricate graphics at the cost of gameplay and/or framerate?
2. Beta Participation
The Darkfall public beta has only just begun a few days ago. Aventurine have stated that they are not opening up the floodgates to let masses of players in, favouring a snowball approach. They have started with a small, select number of testers by invitation only. As beta testing progresses, they will gradually invite larger numbers of players in.
At the moment, with only a small and select number of testers involved, it would be far too risky for a tester to release any beta information. Any text, images, or video would breach the NDA. The devs have stated that there are legal repercussions for such a breach - It's more than just losing one's beta slot.
It is important to keep this in mind when wondering why nobody out of a small group dares to leak information. Perhaps as beta participation grows, we will see testers more confident that a breach could not be traced back to them.
I will admit that Aventurine's public relations is abismal. They have chosen not to market to the masses which is a reasonable strategy, but still, they should accomodate their core followers better than they have done. I would like to see Aventurine release at least an informal video update of beta, just to 'prove' that it is happening.
Considering the "vapourware" trolling that Darkfall has received recently, I will be laughing when someone necros this thread just to say 'In your face' to the naysayers.
At the moment, with only a small and select number of testers involved, it would be far too risky for a tester to release any beta information. Any text, images, or video would breach the NDA. The devs have stated that there are legal repercussions for such a breach - It's more than just losing one's beta slot.
Oh please... like people cared before
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
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Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Good question.
Ive brought this up numerous times, however each time Im met by a myriad of excuses made up by the fans. All conjecture of course, but theyve got an answer for everything, no matter how ridiculous.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Ive brought this up numerous times, however each time Im met by a myriad of excuses made up by the fans. All conjecture of course, but theyve got an answer for everything, no matter how ridiculous.
Im sorry that we have answers for your easy questions guys.
It is the truth however that people outside of the company have seen this game in action.
It is the truth that people outside of the company have played the game and reported on it.
The problem is that you people just cant admit where you may be wrong and choose to take any proof and say "That could just be a lie and faked". Well then maybe you shold stop posting till Open Beta or Release. And if that never comes like some of you think, why waste your time on these boards?
How ridiculous indeed.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Please post a link to one outside person who has played the game and reported on it.Staged events where people watched a presentation do not represent an outsider actually playing the game AND reporting. Thanks.
Ive brought this up numerous times, however each time Im met by a myriad of excuses made up by the fans. All conjecture of course, but theyve got an answer for everything, no matter how ridiculous.
Im sorry that we have answers for your easy questions guys.
It is the truth however that people outside of the company have seen this game in action.
It is the truth that people outside of the company have played the game and reported on it.
The problem is that you people just cant admit where you may be wrong and choose to take any proof and say "That could just be a lie and faked". Well then maybe you shold stop posting till Open Beta or Release. And if that never comes like some of you think, why waste your time on these boards?
How ridiculous indeed.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Good question.
I cant believe this but in the 2005 alpha video a fire ball spell is used, and then again in the 2008 beta video the same identical fire ball spell with the same identical graphics and effects ,and spell icon on the quick bar is used again.
But don’t tell me, I know, its just a coincidence that out of the hundreds and hundreds of spells and skills they have they just happened to of used the same identical one again purely by chance 3 years later.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Does the fact that I have proved at least one of the visitors and long term supporters who got to visit the offices and see Darkfall, who then wrote an article about it is in fact a personal friend of the developers by his own admission not worry you about the credibility of these sources?
There’s a very good chance all of the anonymous guild members and supporters who have visited and viewed Darkfall are also friends or associates of the developers, they would hardly be impartial to say the least.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Does the fact that I have proved at least one of the visitors and long term supporters who got to visit the offices and see Darkfall, who then wrote an article about it is in fact a personal friend of the developers by his own admission not worry you about the credibility of these sources?
There’s a very good chance all of the anonymous guild members and supporters who have visited and viewed Darkfall are also friends or associates of the developers, they would hardly be impartial to say the least.
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Maby it's just me... but I really have seen NO beta leaks from this game whatsoever. All other MMORPG's in the past I've seen a ton of leaks wherever I turned, but in this case, not even a single screenshot
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http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Yeah, it's odd.
I want to play DF as much as anyone, but I'm so close to calling BS on this game. If it releases this year I will be absolutely astonished.
Why bad habbits of other games have to be imported or introduced to our good practices game ?
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
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Not really habits. Just inevitable
$OE lies list
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
The great Tasos will smite those who leak any information. There can be only faith.
either that or there are still only 10 testers.. and if any footage is leaked.. it'll be pretty obvouis who it was..
"Luckily I know that while you make nonsnese baiting threads that get locked....threads I make get sticked by the mods on this forum...." -imbant (greatest board warrior EVER)
Darkfall Countdown: http://darkfallreleasedate.com/
I never believed you could recognize engines by just looks.
But then I did it myself by recognizing the Unreal engind in Blade and Soul without someone telling me.
This looks very much like Darkfall.
Something else,
for animation, you usually have to go deep inside a game engine to change it I think,
Darkfall's animations look archaic, even with just maya rigging and the Quake3 you get much more fluid animation,
Their animation looks really bad, this shows they either have a terrible animator, or they're using a 3rd party engine and don't know how to optimize the animations of it.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
I think you misunderstood...so sorry i wasnt more clear.
I meant that the people on this forum, which i agree many of whom signed up for the beta, do not represent a large % of the TOTAL amount of people who signed up for DF Beta. Therefore the odds of having someone on this forum get into beta and then also be someone who would break the NDA is slim.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
I think you misunderstood...so sorry i wasnt more clear.
I meant that the people on this forum, which i agree many of whom signed up for the beta, do not represent a large % of the TOTAL amount of people who signed up for DF Beta. Therefore the odds of having someone on this forum get into beta and then also be someone who would break the NDA is slim.
I am also a member on other MMO sites, and have scoured every site I could get my hands on that has to do with MMOs, and not a single one has anyone posting that theyre in the beta, very strange. Im tempted to search the Darkfall forums, however its such a biased site that I think theyd say just about anything in defense of Darkfall, be it the truth or not.
Im also curious how suddenly saying your in a beta is against some NDA? It honestly seems like yet another way the fans come up with a dubious excuse for the many shortcomings involved with Darkfall.
Presenting me with proof of people actually playing in the beta would go a long way in dispelling my own trepidation about Aventurines shadiness.
Seems like people think it's hardcoded game engine as far I can tell by lurking their site it is common c++. So basicly almost every game use Torque Engine if we shall draw same conclution.
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
Again.....this is not correct.
Please do some bare minimum research before you make posts like this. You may find how silly your post makes you look.
If you could point me to a single person who has a shred of proof theyre in the beta thats posted here on the boards, Id be grateful.
Im going to ask you directly as a sign of respect...are you just trying to troll? Because you are somewhat intelligent in how you post and I would have thought that you would realize that the question you are asking me is not the question I was responding to.
But if you want me to answer your NEW question...then I would respond by pointing out AGAIN, that there is a NDA and furthermore...this board makes up such a small % of people who applied for beta....so by the off chance that one of us actually got in....it is even a further reach that they would have broken the NDA and posted acccordingly. I dont really know what you want to hear? That poll maybe where people clicked yes and doesn't really mean anything because there is no accountability to someone just clicking yes?
People outside the company have played the game.
People outside the company have also watched the game being played live online.
forums.darkfallonline.com
check out the news section for write ups from gamers who were allowed to play the game and reported their experience.
WARNING: If you think everything is a lie until you personally play it...you will gain nothing from it. One report actually has pictures he took of inside the studio btw.
Lol imbant you would make a great politician. You seem to have the knack of deflecting questions and using spin.
I would disagree that this community represents a small percentage of people who applied for Beta. Using a very conservative estimate, I would hazard a guess that around 50% of people here have applied for the Beta. Both DF fanboy and troll. I think you'd be suprised.
Given it is common knowledge that under the terms of an NDA you are able to state that you are in the Beta but nothing more, I find it a little strange that NO-ONE has mentioned their inclusion.
I think you misunderstood...so sorry i wasnt more clear.
I meant that the people on this forum, which i agree many of whom signed up for the beta, do not represent a large % of the TOTAL amount of people who signed up for DF Beta. Therefore the odds of having someone on this forum get into beta and then also be someone who would break the NDA is slim.
I am also a member on other MMO sites, and have scoured every site I could get my hands on that has to do with MMOs, and not a single one has anyone posting that theyre in the beta, very strange. Im tempted to search the Darkfall forums, however its such a biased site that I think theyd say just about anything in defense of Darkfall, be it the truth or not.
Im also curious how suddenly saying your in a beta is against some NDA? It honestly seems like yet another way the fans come up with a dubious excuse for the many shortcomings involved with Darkfall.
Presenting me with proof of people actually playing in the beta would go a long way in dispelling my own trepidation about Aventurines shadiness.
"A very quick update:
We sent out the second batch of beta invites last night and we’re going to continue inviting people as needed by our testing process. There’s no ETA to the invites, we’re moving along based solely on our needs. We might invite more people in as early as tonight, and as frequently as every day. The testers are under strict NDA and it would be very unfortunate if we had to ban people and/or to modify our testing - so we would like to ask everyone to respect our process and procedures, even those of you not yet in the beta.
If you’re not in the beta yet, please don’t take this personally, it’s likely you don’t fit our immediate testing needs. There are a lot of criteria, but it can be as simple as hardware, location, time zone etc. We appreciate your understanding as we're trying to get Darkfall ready, we take this process very seriously."
I would imagine those that are participating in Beta do not want to get banned, I would also imagine no one wants them to change there testing methods at the moment since people are actually getting in to play test.
I guess I can't speak for everyone but I know that if I were in beta (Not saying I am, it's a hypothetical) I wouldn't be telling any of you demanding proof. I mean many of what you guys have asked for as proof has been provided and you have yet to change your doom and gloom tune. So you want one of those that made it into beta to risk a ban or for Aventurine to modify there testing so that YOU had more proof you would simply deny anyways? Yeah right lol.
If you think DF is destined to fail or never launch fine by me
If you think DF is something your interested in then just ignore those with an agenda. The game has just as much chance of failure as any game in development or currently out, there is still a slim chance it will never launch that is also something that goes for every game still in development. Anything is possible.
The Beta is going on right now, they do have a publisher for Europe, They do have a server host. Check the dev journals out they have some info about what Aventurine wants to do with DarkFall also check the main sight out.
As far as on Topic, Again Aventurine has said they have developed there own enginine for DarkFall, Besides the minimal similarities from the video linked to in the OP and the Alpha build I would say there isn't any other similarities. Word of the Devs again against the word of some random anonymus person saying the Devs are lieing again lol. Showing me something that barely resembles the Alpha build and saying it's the engine DarkFall uses doesn't get my vote of confidence sorry.
And again Arcken I highly doubt anyone is going to do what they have been asked and warned against doing just to appease you lol. Anyways I am off again see you guys.
I think a large portion of the community would like to see if everything is on the up and up with the beta. Im going to dismiss your implied jibes, and simply say that again, a little proof of people actually being in the beta wouldnt hurt anyone.
In fact, I believe it would allow those of us on the fence to exhale about it. As it stands all we have to go on is Tasos's word. And frankly that doenst carry much weight with me.
I dont want your cute sidestepping replies, your coy one liners, or beat around the bush approach. I simply would like to see a little proof that people are getting invited, I dont want specifics, I simply want a little proof.
Im not asking out of malice, or spite, or some need to diss Darkfall simply to goad the fans into yet another frothing frenzy. I simply want to know for curiosity sake. So please, enough with the three ring circus over such a small request. Id just like to know SOMEONE is actually getting to play. Nuff said.
This thread has split into two issues which I will address separately.
1. Game Engine
It doesn't matter what game engine they use. They gameplay will speak for itself, good or bad.
Aventurine have stated that they are sacrificing graphical detail to accomodate large-scale battles with as little lag as possible. I support this move as the enjoyable gameplay of smooth, lagless large-scale battles far outweighs graphical detail.
Does anyone disagree with this? Do you think it is better to have more intricate graphics at the cost of gameplay and/or framerate?
2. Beta Participation
The Darkfall public beta has only just begun a few days ago. Aventurine have stated that they are not opening up the floodgates to let masses of players in, favouring a snowball approach. They have started with a small, select number of testers by invitation only. As beta testing progresses, they will gradually invite larger numbers of players in.
At the moment, with only a small and select number of testers involved, it would be far too risky for a tester to release any beta information. Any text, images, or video would breach the NDA. The devs have stated that there are legal repercussions for such a breach - It's more than just losing one's beta slot.
It is important to keep this in mind when wondering why nobody out of a small group dares to leak information. Perhaps as beta participation grows, we will see testers more confident that a breach could not be traced back to them.
I will admit that Aventurine's public relations is abismal. They have chosen not to market to the masses which is a reasonable strategy, but still, they should accomodate their core followers better than they have done. I would like to see Aventurine release at least an informal video update of beta, just to 'prove' that it is happening.
Considering the "vapourware" trolling that Darkfall has received recently, I will be laughing when someone necros this thread just to say 'In your face' to the naysayers.
Oh please... like people cared before
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "