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Wow = most difficult MMORPG ever - gear wise.
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To counter the threads of some that think Wow is too easy: Since WotLK PvP gear is now rated: did you know it is the most difficult MMORPG in this field?
A PvP rating of 2200 means LESS than 1% of the players will ....ever see this gear on their avatars?
These new ratings assure the "elite" players they will feel elite.
Carebear? When only 1% or less of the players will ever get this epic gear?
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Its not hard to have free time , and thats ALL it takes is time .
I think getting EQ 2.0 epic was far harder than anything in WoW, ya ever have to get an entire raid force together for 1 quest piece of many to drop?
Back then you only got people to do it on your merit, because generally, no one got anything out of the raid but the person needing the epic part.
So I disagree that WoW is the most difficult mmorpg ever when it comes to gear.
Nope.
Wrong. Shows you don't know the game. Ratings have nothing to do with time. It's the pure quality of the player.
Read the new rating systems. Only a handfull people per server will EVER get to 2200 rating.
Which other game has FULL sets of gear available only to a handfull per server?
This is Blizzards answer to the core elite. No doubt about that.
Nope.
Wrong. Shows you don't know the game. Ratings have nothing to do with time. It's the pure quality of the player.
No that's exactly how it works in wow and every other mmorpg . Its a entertaining time sink , play the game , learn it , play it more and get better , play it enough and get good at it like any other game and eventually you will have the good stuff.
Like they say , practice makes perfect, so yes when it comes down to it , its all about time, it takes time to learn the game, it takes time to be good and it takes time to earn the good stuff.
Raid for 4 hours and split acouple pieces of gear between a 25 man....he he he...no thanks.
WoW is all gear based, its a waste of time, when you know the guy standing right next you is mocking you for not having the same or better gear then him.
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Just like be BC and the Big pvp change.
People grinded to Grand Marshal and High Warlord to get the last piece of the best PvP gear.
I did it, it took me 6 months 10 hours a day, 7 days a week. I am still disgusted with my obbesion in getting that Grand Marshal title. I neglected alot in real life, ......geez 6 months
!!
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And you know what happend as soon as I got that Top pvp gear on my server? BAM !! big patch and the next day I see a lvl 60 in all greens running around with my swords that he had BOUGHT with the tokens and coin he got playing in the BG that day.
That change was when I left WoW.
I sure hope it does not happen to any of you!
Nope.
Wrong. Shows you don't know the game. Ratings have nothing to do with time. It's the pure quality of the player.
No that's exactly how it works in wow and every other mmorpg . Its a entertaining time sink , play the game , learn it , play it more and get better , play it enough and get good at it like any other game and eventually you will have the good stuff.
Like they say , practice makes perfect, so yes when it comes down to it , its all about time, it takes time to learn the game, it takes time to be good and it takes time to earn the good stuff.
The new PVP gear in WotLK is purely based on a rating system. Nothing to do with time. Time sinks is for the older generation of games. Wow did away with that in WotLK.
Take the BEST 100 players in the world. let them have a seperate competition and half of them will be rated under 1500 (half will be rated above). The lower half may play for ten thousend years and not reach 2200.
By only awarding gear to the players above 1600, Blizzard assures that only the best PvP players can earn the best PvP gear. Setting a 2200+ rating is incredible high.
>>>>So indeed WotLK will be the most difficult MMORPG ever to obtain the highest PvP gear.
I think some will be really surprised when the real end game cycles of WotLK will become available.
So is it a ladder system where only limited number of people can actually get to 2200 ( as in like 100 or 1000 or 10.000 spots total ) and they have to actually compeet for those top spots or is it just a point system where anyone and everyone can get it as long as they have the time and skill , no set number of 2200 rank players ? ( assuming "everyone" = people that are actually good enough and have the TIME to get 2200)
Nope.
Wrong. Shows you don't know the game. Ratings have nothing to do with time. It's the pure quality of the player.
No that's exactly how it works in wow and every other mmorpg . Its a entertaining time sink , play the game , learn it , play it more and get better , play it enough and get good at it like any other game and eventually you will have the good stuff.
Like they say , practice makes perfect, so yes when it comes down to it , its all about time, it takes time to learn the game, it takes time to be good and it takes time to earn the good stuff.
The new PVP gear in WotLK is purely based on a rating system. Nothing to do with time. Time sinks is for the older generation of games. Wow did away with that in WotLK.
Take the BEST 100 players in the world. let them have a seperate competition and half of them will be rated under 1500 (half will be rated above). The lower half may play for ten thousend years and not reach 2200.
By only awarding gear to the players above 1600, Blizzard assures that only the best PvP players can earn the best PvP gear. Setting a 2200+ rating is incredible high.
>>>>So indeed WotLK will be the most difficult MMORPG ever to obtain the highest PvP gear.
I think some will be really surprised when the real end game cycles of WotLK will become available.
OP is wrong, what will happen is that elite PVP gear will be outdated every 3-6 months, a new set will come out for the elites to farm, the old set will be without rating and everyone will get them with relative ease, that way everyone is happy. the casual players just have to wait for the set. it happened late BC it will happen in WotLK, i like the system that way and everyone is happy cause they can get a half decent epic set to 'compete' with the elitests.
S1 gear turned honor grind, then S2 after that. Welfare epics they were called, true sort of. But for people who cant/dont raid(me) and cant/dont arena(me) this was a welcome addition.
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OP obviously never played EverQuest.
So is it a ladder system where only limited number of people can actually get to 2200 ( as in like 100 or 1000 or 10.000 spots total ) and they have to actually compeet for those top spots or is it just a point system where anyone and everyone can get it as long as they have the time and skill , no set number of 2200 rank players ? ( assuming "everyone" = people that are actually good enough and have the TIME to get 2200)
Yes, it's a ladder system.
In fact the ladder works "inter server". So in the case of our server (Al'Akir) we are into a Battlegroups of 18 servers (I think) and the rating is based on all those servers! So if you are the best, you are not the best of 10K subscribers per server, but also one of the best of 180K subscribers.
Highest gear is distributed that way.
WotLK is the first expansion where all those gears are available at launch (in the 3 grades).
So in fact, yes some servers may even have zero characters with 2200+ ratings and have no highest gear sets at all.
The two highest gear sets are rated. The lowest PvP gear set is unrated and need "time sinks" in World PvP and Bg's, there is about a 4% difference between highest and lowest gear sets so "skill" is not completely killed by gear.
Yeah but arena gear is just that now. Arena gear. I don't know the specifics, but now the stats don't nearly benefit you outside of arenas like they used to.
It depends which class you are. Dps is Dps.
But PvP wise WotLK gear is far more difficult to obtain than before.
The second highest gear set is from 1600 to 2000 I believe. The highest gear set is much too high for 99% of the players. That's the niche of the hardcore.
So no carebear certainly not !
I have a really hard time believing that anything in WoW is skill based AND limited in numbers to people with skills and NOT to those that simply have all the time in the world. And just in case it happens to be true I can't see it lasting long because that is not the type of system that drew so many players.
Come on...it's WoW, remember?
Well at least its a ladder system instead of the usual everyone gets it in some way , but that still doesnt change the Fact thats is all about having the Skill and TIME to do it . Time = skill in most cases and skill = getting the good stuff, if your putting in a lot of time on the game but not getting any better then something is wrong , also if you dont have the TIME to invest in keeping your rank up you will loose it ( assuming you loose ranks if you dont keep playing on a canstant rate). Yes setting you skill as a player aside, its just like every other mmorpg , a Time sink.
Well at least its a ladder system instead of the usual everyone gets it in some way , but that still doesnt change the Fact thats is all about having the Skill and TIME to do it . Time = skill in most cases and skill = getting the good stuff, if your putting in a lot of time on the game but not getting any better then something is wrong , also if you dont have the TIME to invest in keeping your rank up you will loose it ( assuming you loose ranks if you dont keep playing on a canstant rate). Yes setting you skill as a player aside, its just like every other mmorpg , a Time sink.
Glad you asked. Like I said time is no issue.
To keep your rank the only thing to do is play 10 rated matches each week. If you count in the practice (non rated fights). You could say ... 2 to 3 hours a week to work on the ratings. Your ratings will NOT fall if you don't play.
The most time invested will be in having the basic PvP gear first in open world PvP (lots of honor now) and the Bg's. But once you are into that cycle (say casual a month), it's skill that counts, not time.
I also questioned the harsh rating system at first. Instead of attracting people you are really designing hardcore PvP gear for those few elite.
But I think I catch it now. Blizzard caters for the complete market and still wants to support elitist players.
Its like capes and Zemotes in guild wars.
Which other game has FULL sets of gear available only to a handfull per server?
Easy. Lineage 2 S80 gear. & I will bet you getting S80 gear in L2 "Legit" is harder than WoW.
Only a very few at the top have it, & with the GM's getting serious about banning botters/ebayers now, it
will stay that way, since everybody & their grandma wont be able to just ebay the adena for gear like they
used to.
I don't consider gear grind to be dificult, just idiocy. Sheer idiocy. Can't game developers come up with something besides gear-grind to keep players coming back? How about fun? I'd stick around for fun.
Put the main thing in the OP post, which I think is 100% true is, no matter how long you play, only 1% will ever get 2200 rated. Its not about time. THere are players that have played since beta that are 1500 rated. It takes...skill, desterity, and who knows what else...but 2200 rating is not reachable by 99% of population even if they played 12 hours a day every day.
Now, for raids, that is different...you can be average...and be carried through (if your guild allows this) and get top gear that way...but for the general public...kiss pvp gear good bye.
PS if, anyone doubts this...simply do lots of inspections of players. In BC, I was amazed how many times I saw players in full epic purples yet with arena ratings below 1600, or even <1500. Less then 10% would even be above 1700 (500 short of what will now be needed!!)
Since it is based on a skilled ladder system, the highest gear is no grind. Unless you want to call a few hours fun playing each week a grind.
Botters won't help you a bit .: you will only drop ratings since you play humans
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So anyone else ... challeging my OP statement
WotLK is indeed the most difficult MMORPG ever - PvP gear wise.
Since it is based on a skilled ladder system, the highest gear is no grind. Unless you want to call a few hours fun playing each week a grind.
Botters won't help you a bit .: you will only drop ratings since you play humans
.
So anyone else ... challeging my OP statement
WotLK is indeed the most difficult MMORPG ever - PvP gear wise.
I am not disagreeing with you on it's difficulty level. But... a "few" hours. I don't think so.
And this gear will ensure that they stay on top. How exactly is that "hard"? Its not hard when your gear makes you overpowered.
Sounds like a game I want to play. 1% of the population gets to see the gear while the other guys get to get pwned by the gear. Awesome! Sign me up!