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Does anyone here truly believe that someone who can't open his mouth without speaking badly of WoW on the WAR forums suddenly buys Wotlk to *try it*? Please, he came here to promote WAR which is obvious from his every breath and anyone that reads him can clearly tell he wouldn't be caught dead even touching WOW, not to mention there's 0 logic to him even bothering when WAR is so great
I tried it and although I do believe that the OP is a troll it leaves room for discussion. So tell me what so great about the Xpac and please spare me the "it has 11 million subs it must be good" That is old it has little effect.
The problem isn't with Wrath, the problem is that you didn't like the game before wrath came out. I'm going to use the 11M number just to explain the 'terrible' position that Blizzard is in. 11M people pay to play every month.. it would be very very hard for Blizzard to drastically change gameplay. I know if you don't like the original game, then yes, it's easy to say 'more of the same'. But to players that LIKE the game.. they say " YES, MORE CONTENT".
When a game is in trouble, or it is stagnant... it is much easier for the developers to make drastic changes to gameplay. When a game is growing, and people are excited about the game.. its hard for the devs to risk changing things drastically. When WOW does peak and starts to decline in population numbers THEN you may see the dev team being a little more risky with changing the game.
If you didn't like the game before, then no, you aren't going to like it better now (except for people who like open pvp.. because Wintergrasp is awesome).
If you liked the game before.. then there is a lot to be excited about. Every expansion they add new type of quests and here are fewer and fewer 'kill 10 boars'. Gameplay is just more and more refined.. classes are more fun and get interesting gadgets to play with.
11 Million subscriptions is a result of people enjoying a game and word of mouth being positive about the gameplay. Ask most people who play/played WoW and they say it is a fun game.
Selling 1.2 million box copies and having to merge half of your servers in 2 months, because you can't retain people is a result of boring unfinished game play. Warhammer didn't have content cleared shortly after release, because no one tested it. The end game system is broken and doesn't function properly. As someone else said the design is pants on head retarded. A game that highlights large scale open world PvP requires people to hide in instances and grind PvE content.... pants on head retarded is accurate. Even the crazy fans of the games before release are gone. You don't see many of them talking about how awesome Warhammer is going to be anymore do you? Nope, what you hear now is "patch 1.1 should fix things and hopefully get the game back in order, then people will come back".
Also, you invoked Hitler on the interweb, you lose.
Granted WAR does not have 11 million subs but I would say there is just as much negativity about WOW on these forums and people defending it as there is for WAR. So what people are we going by because with your logic WOW is failing just as bad as WAR is if we go by negative forum posts.
Ofcourse we could just say only 1-5% of people post on the forums but that benefits WAR as well and the official WOW forums look kinda bad as well.
We could say that the easy PVE is pants on head retarted also but I think you get the point that aside from sub numbers from a game out 4+ years there seems to be little difference in people opinion. We can also say that adding a new PVP zone that no one will use after a few months like halaa because it does not give as much honor per hour as AV is pant on head retarted.
yes there were some initial bugs when the first city seiges happened from what i have read but you obviously did not do MC when it first released or Ony either. Did you ever try and loot anything when the game first released? You better call in sick to work if ya wanted to as it would take all day.
But Warhammer now is competeing with WOW now not then but pants on head retarted....... haha you should have seen WOW when it released and several months after if WAR and WOW would have switched places in time WOW would be having alot worse issues and merging servers. Right place right time for WOW.
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You fail at trolling, just like WAR failed at being better than WoW.
How did it fail again at being better than WOW? oh yeah the only thing WOW players can say"it has 11 million subs" unless ofcourse you would like to elaborate more on how WOW is better?
War did not have all conent cleared in 3 days from release ( yes achievments may not be all done but they are just a cheap tome of knowledge anyway with no reason other than bragging rights)
It is not still balancing classes after 4+ years, They created new ideas and did not steal all their ideas from previous games. Server maintenence problems still after 4+ years with the same problems?
So 11 million subs..... ok got WAR there, millions of people followed Hitler did not make them right or better than anyone else so please tell me how WOW is better than WAR?
A great show of intelligence, an expansion with 10 levels against an entirely new game. 2-3 days 10 levels of 80 in WoW, 6 days first level to max in WAR. Not like anyone could even get to drop a city with all the bugs endgame has, not to mention the exploits it was full of as well. Some servers couldn't even get the gate down due to bugs.
Also, *not* having 11 million players doesn't make a game better either
ooooo, it's Jblah.... lol
You fail at trolling, just like WAR failed at being better than WoW.
How did it fail again at being better than WOW? oh yeah the only thing WOW players can say"it has 11 million subs" unless ofcourse you would like to elaborate more on how WOW is better?
War did not have all conent cleared in 3 days from release ( yes achievments may not be all done but they are just a cheap tome of knowledge anyway with no reason other than bragging rights)
It is not still balancing classes after 4+ years, They created new ideas and did not steal all their ideas from previous games. Server maintenence problems still after 4+ years with the same problems?
So 11 million subs..... ok got WAR there, millions of people followed Hitler did not make them right or better than anyone else so please tell me how WOW is better than WAR?
A great show of intelligence, an expansion with 10 levels against an entirely new game. 2-3 days 10 levels of 80 in WoW, 6 days first level to max in WAR. Not like anyone could even get to drop a city with all the bugs endgame has, not to mention the exploits it was full of as well. Some servers couldn't even get the gate down due to bugs.
Also, *not* having 11 million players doesn't make a game better either
ooooo, it's Jblah.... lol
Awesome you dodged the question as well you can point out the flaws in WAR's endgame which are fixed now anyway, but can you tell me what makes WOW better or were you just commenting on WAR's problems with the first few endgame city sieges?
I did not discuss time to level cap as WAR has 40 levels so 6 days was far slower than WOW's 27 hours for 10 levels and that is not the point anyway.
Launch bugs happen as they did in WOW so is that what makes it better the fact WOW currently has less bugs than WAR did at release? The poster I quoted said WAR is a failure compared to WOW that is what I was discussing.
I guess you have nothing to add but WAR's launch bugs. Ok point taken anything else possibly?
Azrile atleast says mobile seige weapons so thats a start I guess but will the open PVP be used anymore than it has been after the newness wears off or will it be just like every other PVP attempt they made aside from BG's.
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11 Million subscriptions is a result of people enjoying a game and word of mouth being positive about the gameplay. Ask most people who play/played WoW and they say it is a fun game.
Selling 1.2 million box copies and having to merge half of your servers in 2 months, because you can't retain people is a result of boring unfinished game play. Warhammer didn't have content cleared shortly after release, because no one tested it. The end game system is broken and doesn't function properly. As someone else said the design is pants on head retarded. A game that highlights large scale open world PvP requires people to hide in instances and grind PvE content.... pants on head retarded is accurate. Even the crazy fans of the games before release are gone. You don't see many of them talking about how awesome Warhammer is going to be anymore do you? Nope, what you hear now is "patch 1.1 should fix things and hopefully get the game back in order, then people will come back".
Also, you invoked Hitler on the interweb, you lose.
everyone leaving warhammer is actually a result of the game being very buggy in the first month so they left for WoW which has been out for ages and has very little problems. So the people couldn't be arsed to wait and see if warhammer would be better.
I believe WoW when it was released was utter crap and was almost unplayable so WAR was going in the right direction its just that no one wanted to be patient.
Because WoW players are so patient and reasonable?
Don't think so.
No I was not saying Warhammer is failing based on what people on this forum say. My points were based on how the game is and the fact that they are merging server populations due to lack of players, even though Mythic is saying they have record breaking sales and retention rates. Please don't put words in my mouth and then try to draw comparisons from it. When WoW starts merging servers and drops off the top 10, let alone the top 100 best selling games then you can make a comparison to my points.
Pve isn't pants on head retarded if it encourages PvE gameplay and is entertaining. RvR mass open player vs player battles that have their outcome dominated by PvE public quests and instanced scenarios goes directly against the primary goal of the game. The core design of that system defeats itself which is why the end game is so fucked up. Even though the same keep battles and battlefield objectives exist in earlier tiers no one cares.
One last point, I'm not saying Warhammer is losing players due to it being buggy. The GAMEPLAY is the problem.
Wow was very much not utter crap on release, which is why people waited in line for hours just to log into the game. Just think about how the gameplay was for people to sit for hours just waiting for the chance to log in.
Warhammer is struggling to keep half the servers at medium levels at primetime weekend. Think about what the gameplay must be like for record setting numbers the first month to swiftly change to merging servers a few weeks later.
Warhammer is anything but going in the right direction. It is just one more game that was pushed to market before it was ready and whatever changes that are made going forward will not be based on testing feedback, but rather how to stem the lose of subscriptions. You can already see the backpeddling on changes due to players ranting.
I was there at WoW release as well, and although it had lootlag bugs, the zones kept crashing, many classes weren't finished (some didn't even have working abilities and some had no talent trees) - it was in Westfall on my very first human rogue that I remember thinking "ok this game is going to be huge". It just had that "spark" that made games like EQ seem a bit tired and showing their age.
Warhammer is the same today, it has that "spark" that makes WoW look tired and boring. It's time to move on, WotLK is simply not to my taste as a gamer who wants a challenge, and real open world PVP that changes the game map. Warhammer is just the next big thing
PVP needs to be an option, not the focus. Even in EVE, game is anything but a PVP game, but it's PVP has volumes of depth beyond what WAR could ever become.
After all, not everyone is a PVPer so stop projecting so hard!
What, you expected new ideas from WoW? The king of recycled crap? WoW hasn't created a new concept in its entire conception. Its basically just doing EQ style expansions, just like the main game is an EQ style game. No innovation, nothing to keep you playing .
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What, you expected new ideas from WoW? The king of recycled crap? WoW hasn't created a new concept in its entire conception. Its basically just doing EQ style expansions, just like the main game is an EQ style game. No innovation, nothing to keep you playing .
But it's just the right amount to keep you posting about it and posting and posting and posting....
Too bad that spark kept people playing and queuing in WoW yet in WAR people leave the first sign of a new game comes around (Fallout 3 to Wotlk, Lotr etc)
Maybe you're seeing a different spark
Reread what you just wrote.... "nothing to keep those 11 million playing" .... (is this sarcastic perhaps).
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Personal rated PvP gear with a ladder system, used in combo with BG, open world PVP and Arena play....
Top titles and ultimate gear only awarded for a ladder based ranking system to rank up to 180.000 players. (18 realms for 1 Battlegroup). Some PvP gear will be even out of reach for some complete realms to this system.
Name one other game please with ALL these elements included. You can't.
Yep it's always soooo easy to counter the Wow haters
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got bored the 2nd day playing and canceld but i keep getting free days now for 2 weeks and going for some weird reason all tho my account was ment to get canceld on teh 10th as that was when my month ran out but ive goten 2 weeks free now so mindaswell do the same old stuff i did when bc came out get the head off the mobs and kill 7 of those and 10 of that
What is up with you? Did you expect a major change? Remember NGE and what it did to swg? Major changes are risky and players are fickle. They are doing what millions have paid them for and because it obvsiously worked.
Hmm but there are major changes in WOTLK... major changes in all classes ...none class is the same anymore with the new talents skills ,dmg booosts e.t.c.
What ppl expected ? new graficks engine? bliz will never do that..
Im playing wow 4 years almost ,kinda bored ,but cant deny they didi good job on wotlk.
I dont care much bout pve aspects of wow, mostly arena addicted ...
That was the thing with me and WAR: it wasn't incrementally any different than WoW. WAR is your run-of-the-mill-tired played-out fantasy themepark. Worse, EA somehow punted on Mythic's marque gimic: RvR. At the end of the first month I left deciding WAR was 'ok'.
And, WAR is certainly no more challenging than WoW (and, visa versa). The better zerg will always beat out the lesser one, and more often than not the guild zerg will beat out the pug zerg. Mechanically speaking, the games are quite similar with a few subtle differences in classes. I'm not convinced either game is really all that more challenging in any respect.
Personally, I'm conflicted on WAR's success. On the one hand I'd like to see it fail miserably simply in the hopes that other studios step away from the fantasy themepark sub-genre. For once I'd really like to not say, 'why am I playing a lesser version of WoW.' On the other, I really don't wish ill on any company and particarily it's players. I
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Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
And this is why Blizzard continues to rake in cash by truckloads. People who mutter under their breath "I'm bored, this is the same crap over and over" only to continue raiding and grinding for some ungodly reason.
What other activities do you continue to do in life that you find boring and repetitive?
And this is why Blizzard continues to rake in cash by truckloads. People who mutter under their breath "I'm bored, this is the same crap over and over" only to continue raiding and grinding for some ungodly reason.
What other activities do you continue to do in life that you find boring and repetitive?
Obviously not something like "work".Can't imagine coming home, only to start doing something "boring and repetitive" in my spare time?
Anyhoo, Grey's arguments are null, void, squat, nada, etc. He may not like it, but he sure as hell keeps playing. I guess its not that bad after all?
Anyone that misses anything these experienced in Warhammer ... Thats just Sad. Warhammer was the biggest disappointment to me.. I'm so pissed I wasted 50 bucks on it, and even talked a friend into wasting their money too. If Warhammer made their statistics public I'm sure we'd see some of the highest numbers in MMO "Cancle Subscription" clicks in history.
On a side note, I think all credibility the OP might've had if he'd responded the first time someone asked for his toon/guild names is gone out the window, as he's had lots of time to browse through the Armory to find someone that fits the tale he told us.
For my part, I didn't want to play a game that felt so unpolished. I think WAR has a lot of potential but until the gameplay issues are fixed up a bit I won't be throwing any of my money their way. I'm hoping for the sake of the eighty bucks I tossed at my WAR Collector's Edition that EA/Mythic gets the game ironed out before it's too late and nobody's left.
I got news for you just because a game does server merges doesn't mean its failing..WAR is doing server merges because they opened too many servers to start with......Ask any1 that plays WAR and they will tell you that on many of the servers that there have been massive battles, bigger than you would ever see in WOW..So nice try @ ;attempting to trash a game you have never played...Every1 knows that you love WOW and that you like to frequent the other forums and come to WOW's rescue...
As far as press releases goes, it doesn't matter how many copies they sell, it doesn't mean people are playing it or have tried it and are already bored.
Well said. No company is stupid enough to change their game and risk losing 11M paying clients. 11M paying clients! That's a huge profit! That's like a GDP of a third world country!
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I got news for you just because a game does server merges doesn't mean its failing..WAR is doing server merges because they opened too many servers to start with......Ask any1 that plays WAR and they will tell you that on many of the servers that there have been massive battles, bigger than you would ever see in WOW..So nice try @ ;attempting to trash a game you have never played...Every1 knows that you love WOW and that you like to frequent the other forums and come to WOW's rescue...
As far as press releases goes, it doesn't matter how many copies they sell, it doesn't mean people are playing it or have tried it and are already bored.
So you think warhammer is merging servers because it is growing? Everything we can look at clearly indicates warhammer is flopping big-time.
1. Amazon and other listings had Warhammer falling out of the top 100 box sales 2 weeks after launch. This means no new players. Warhammer is now ranked around #500
2. Xfire statistics show that 75% of players have stopped playing since the end of September. While you can argue that xfire users aren't average.. they aren't completely 'unaverage' and that 75% number does indicate a huge loss.
3. 60% of servers are merging and no servers are in queue any more. While you can rewrite history and say they launched too many servers... that is because they were expecting players to stick around. They DID have queues the first week, so those servers were needed then.
4. personal reports. While you say there is 'epic battles'.. there are many more reports of RvR lakes being empty and of guilds going from 100's down to 10 etc. Even players who are playing the game and like it are reporting empty guilds and no action other than scenarios.
And to show that people ARE playing WOW. The number of servers that are in queue is still very high during primetime (greater than 50% of servers). WOW has released 25 or so new servers in the past two weeks to handle all the people trying to play.
But don't worry, there are still people who think AOC is doing fine too.