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Why are you and Azrile (or you are the same person maybe, who knows) so worried about the pace of leveling and dungeon clearing in WoW? Are you so scared that people will get bored and quit WoW because of this?
You shouldn't worry mate. There is not other MMO out there that gives a better gear progress out there. So people who don't mind grinding will continue grinding for their gear in "the chronicles of Naxxramas IV".
note: I can't imagine a guild in WoW with 50 people like bodypass. They couldn't complete any dungeon because of telling each other "God has created the woman, then WoW, then the men to play WoW in their spare time"
They're too busy ezmode facerolling the content, troll.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
What a perfect illustration above
Anyone who comes in to this forum to explain their negative opinion of WoW is instantly bullied and called a troll and told to GTFO by the resident internet tough kids
Guess that says it all about the wow community
Gotta defend the WoW bashers a little here. I've been playing this game for a while, like a lot of you guys have most likely. Experienced a great deal of the end game material in both BC and beforehand. Ran roughly succesful arenas (5s) on Vengeance, going up to 2.203 in S2, skipped most of S3 and played S4 to a pretty weak 2005 (then stopped, seemed like no one played 2 months after the season started). Cleared everything but sunwell pvewise. To sum it up, i've "played" the game extensively and i've seen much (like most of you probably).
However, after getting right next to 75 on my mage, still in dblight, i realised: "what the **** am i doing, this is no different from the constant grinding tbc was". So i'll get 80 (halfway there), then i'll have to re-do it on my pally, then grind gear, chants and gems to get ready for both pve and arenas when they come out (think it's the 13th or 17th of Dec?). Then 4-5 months later at most, new season and new pve content, which means i'll repeat the same exact pattern, over and over.
Wrath is, in my humble opinion, a simplistic copycat of it's previous iteration.
PVP is becomming more and more unbalanced, end game communities have and are still suffering heavily from the excessive input of new players/classes that reach 80 (lvling has become so quick, everyone can just reach out the cap with new chars very easily, in addition to the new people reaching the said cap, it just became impossible to keep track of who's who, good, bad w/e. Makes the accountability part of the end game community simply void) and the speed at which the gear becomes obsolete is just not serious.
That is my opinion only and i would have a lot more negative things to say about wow. I do however have a lot to say about the positive features, but i won't go over them, since i feel like being an ass for now. I respec all of your positions in defense of the game and i'm glad you enjoy it and still plan on playing and kick it with your friends in there. On my part though, i just felt like wow finally reached it's meaningfulness' end. The game has been out long enough anyways and to me, just throwing new lvls to make up for lack of end game diversity is just painful.
P.S.: this game just is too easy now, i like my mmo with some of an elitist factoring, i don't like to see every kind of retard running around with op epics and content experience. No offense, and i hope you guys keep having fun. Feel free to flame me and sorry for the typos in there.
Its quite depressing to read this and the WAR boards of late. So much hate being thrown around
The new Xpac added so much new content and if you dont see that then you must be crazy. 10 more levels, 3 new raid dungeons that can be done on both normal AND heroic, flying mounts with different colors, level 80 equipment to replace your battle hardened level 70 stuff.
The list is huge and not to mention the deathknight which has 4 years of development behind it and also 1 zone with seige weapons you can move around.
Since you sound like a PVP kinda guy they even added a new BG for ya so now you will have 5 BG's to do in order to get your pre-pvp gear to get ready for the brand new Arena season 5 about to start soon.
Not to mention the Blizzard name is really what you are getting as they can do no wrong and even if you think they could just tell yourself 11 million subs that will silence you.
This is only the first time they have ever rushed a game out the door(due to holiday dollars and other games) but who cares its Blizzard <Mod edit> and you will not question it.
/sarcasm off .........only 5 more levels before you get to " finally play the game" (again) You can do it!!
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You don't have to like it, you can like what ever you like, but you can't say it's a bad game, you can say you don't like it.
There is nothing wrong with people being bored of the game. People who are bored with lich king already were already bored with WoW in the burning crusade. The only reason they came back for lich king is that the other games on the market as not as good as WoW so they are looking for something to replace a void.
After 4 years there are going to be lots of people who are bored and want something new to play. The problem is other companies are not filling that void.
As for your comments jblah, the only thing you are saying is the game is bad and 11 million people are wrong. Does the game continue to grow and sell copies because it is bad? Do people keep coming back because it is bad? So many other MMOs fail to steal the millions of players in WoW, because people want to play bad games? Wow is obviously doing something right and giving people more of a proven winning formula is fine for the majority of players, plus the new concepts added in the expansion.
There is no need to redeisgn the wheel and turn the game on its head. Why you think that is what is needed is the worst idea for an MMO. Just go see how that works out for EQ2 who can't deliver a consistant product if their life depended on it.
At this point I am going to have to state you have no idea what you are talking about.
Something I am curious about. If WoW is doing so much wrong and is so bad, please tell us another game that is doing things better.
There is nothing wrong with people being bored of the game. People who are bored with lich king already were already bored with WoW in the burning crusade. The only reason they came back for lich king is that the other games on the market as not as good as WoW so they are looking for something to replace a void.
After 4 years there are going to be lots of people who are bored and want something new to play. The problem is other companies are not filling that void.
As for your comments jblah, the only thing you are saying is the game is bad and 11 million people are wrong. Does the game continue to grow and sell copies because it is bad? Do people keep coming back because it is bad? So many other MMOs fail to steal the millions of players in WoW, because people want to play bad games? Wow is obviously doing something right and giving people more of a proven winning formula is fine for the majority of players, plus the new concepts added in the expansion.
There is no need to redeisgn the wheel and turn the game on its head. Why you think that is what is needed is the worst idea for an MMO. Just go see how that works out for EQ2 who can't deliver a consistant product if their life depended on it.
At this point I am going to have to state you have no idea what you are talking about.
Something I am curious about. If WoW is doing so much wrong and is so bad, please tell us another game that is doing things better.
I am not saying that the game is bad I am emphasizing that the Xpac itself was lacking and Blizzard should have added alot more than they did.
I played WOW myself for a long time myself but this Xpac is just very weak in terms of what it could have been and I feel as though Blizzard is using their good name to sell half an Xpac.
People say all the time that the people that rushed have not cleared all the content yet because its not in the game yet. Well why is it not in the game yet? Lack of development money? Lack of time? They just didnt care enough to put more effort into it? No one knows why and either side can spin it the way they want to.
After all the time WOW has been around and all the money it rakes in a month and all they add is 1 new class since release? Another attempt at world PVP when Alterac Valley still gives better honor per hour?Only 3 new endgame raids ( Naxx is recycled so does not really count as new) when TBC had 5 completely new raids at release?
WOW itself has set the bar high as many people say all the time and I feel they came short of their own bar with this Xpac. I am not asking them to redesign the game just to do more with all the money the 11 million subs give them. Remember this is just my opinion maybe you feel they did plenty with their millions of dollars and this Xpac but I am simply disagreeing with you is all.
I dont feel the WOW players are wrong I actually just feel that Blizzard used their good name to sell this Xpac or lack there of to the players. As long as people keep paying for less Blizzard will have more profits and provide less and less to their customers.
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I've said this before.
Why should Blizzard drastically change the direction of WOW? WOW is the only game that is growing in population. Every other game since 2004 has peaked at launch and gone downhill from there (possible exception of Eve).
A lot of people are playing WOW, A lot of people are playing wow a lot. More people continue to buy wow every day ( vanilla wow is still on the top 20 best seller lists). Who in their right mind with such a product would drastically change things? Yes, Wrath is very similar to BC.. of course it is.... 2.4M people lined up the first day to buy BC, and 2.8M people lined up to buy Wrath the first day. While some players may have gotten bored with the gameplay.. the vast majority, and a number that far exceeds every other game combined, continue to play WOW exactly like it is and look forward to new content that is a continuation of what they loved playing the past two years.
If you have a game that is failing, or if you have a new 'uncertain' game, then you should take risks with changing gameplay... but why in the world would a growing, record-breaking game, suddenly change it's theme and risk alienating it's growing playerbase. Games have tried it in the past (SWG, UO-AOC among others) and the results of usually been disasterious.
Wrath adds some new mechanisms including multi-player mounts, it also made more content available for 10 man guilds. They've included a pvp zone with mechanisms that are way more fun than Warhammer or aoc's seiging ( you can actually control the seige machinary and attack where you want to). They have added phasing technology to many quest lines (something no other games do) which makes the world change based on your questing.
They've added a lot, but it would be stupid of them to drastically change a growing game.
Azrile, just stop posting against these trolls.
Let them have their toys. They are defending dying products. Concentrate on what WotLK brought us. I just made a new thread about phasing in the general discussion panel.
That's important, these new techniques being applied within WotLK, not some discussion with sick youngsters who are aginst the etablisment and want to vomit all over the most played MMORPG.
The problem is of course that even the editors of MMORPG.COM let these things happen. No problem it's a minority of 0.0000000001% of the players.
The game environment of WoW is static, your pap about phasing is just sad bull really
You can't take over enemy areas and cities, and there's no reward to killing faction leaders, the only "world PVP" is a closed zone (LW) with a mock-battle that is decided by PVE farming buffs and toy car fights
WoW is just about battlegrounds and arena, and it's a boring, done-it-1000-times-before format
It is static, true, you can't take over enemy cities, world PVP is everywhere if you care to fight, some people need motivations, some people just like to PVP, there is PVP for both groups.
Arenas and battlegrounds are not boring if you really like PVP, if you don't like PVP, there is no reason to do arenas and battlegrounds.
Look up Vortex, and yes you're a noob
"Zomg... Game Over, exactly 7 days since release
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=p look i can name guilds i'm not in as well:
look up Fires of Heaven
----Not really saying you aren't in the guild, just saying it'd be relatively impossible to prove it, therefore, I would't expect this forum crowd to take you for your word.
Kid huh?
30, college professor, and I play WOW with my fiance who I will marry in a few weeks. I play in a guild where the average age of the 100+ members is probably 35 or older.
So I am a kid huh?
Tell ya what I think is childish - someone who obviously hates a game, comes to these forums and DAILY bashes this game but continues to play for a good 10 days since he first made a thread saying he was bored with the game. In the meantime, people ask this person why he continues to play a game he hates and he ignores their question.
This same person then goes on to insult the community.
Now, again, back to the original question that the person fails to answer:
Why are you continuing to play WOW if you are bored and hate the game?
And until you answer that question, you are a troll by definition: you repeatedly post negatively about a game that you obviously hate and have said for around 10 days that you are bored with; yet, you still post about how WOW and its community sucks.
So yes you are a troll and my recommendation is to go to the forums of the game you like (WAR) and post positive posts there. I do not play WAR and you do not see me going to the forums daily and creating threads about how it sucks. If you do something like that then it is immature and childish. So maybe the next time you call someone a kid, maybe you should take a long, hard look at your own posts and figure out who the truly immature poster is.
Good reply. So was Daffid011 's reply. I also agree on the troll definition here. This is clearly an attempt to start a flame war. I mean, as you said, who in their right mind would continue to play a game they clearly hate so much?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I played WoW for many years. I would be one of the "returners" to the game with wotlk if I had continued to play, but I didn't. I found it dull and repetitive, and far too easy. The game is just not what it used to be, it's become a soulless cash-in made for housewives and kids to frolic in and ROFLCOPTER at everything while they faceroll the pointless content.
To answer your question above, I played it to try it, because as I said, I played old warcraft and TBC a lot more than most of the posters on here. I did every raid, got to the top of the honour system and the arena, and I can safely say this expansion is not like what made the original game (and even TBC) great. The game has just lost its charm and its fun for me, but this is only my opinion
I did cancel my warcraft sub btw, 1 month + box price paid and I got 2 weeks of not much fun out of it. but that's more than I got out of GTA4 tbh (and that was objectively a good game, just not that interesting or fresh)
Back in Warhammer having a blast
Lets just assume for one second that anything you have said here is even true about WoW and you returning.
You obviously were burned out on Warcraft, so loading up a new expansion isn't going to change that. You can't get the magic back and the only reason you would even try the game again is because the other MMOs you are playing just don't measure up.
If Warhammer was filled with so much awesomeny goodness as you keep repeating over and over and over and over, then you could not be pryed away from it to play another MMO. There would be no reason for you to leave warhammer if it was such a blast.
There, now dealing with you as if you were telling the truth is over and on to the reality. Warhammer does indeed suck and you only started this thread to beat up on WoW so you could try to make Warhammer look pretty. Have a nice day.
I'm pretty sure you get *some* honor for killing the enemy leaders and there's an achievement with mount reward for killing the enemies leaders as well.
Also, you don't influence anything on a permanent basis in WAR, it's all just temporary. A year from now it'll all be exactly the same (safe a redesign by Mythic)
Kid huh?
30, college professor, and I play WOW with my fiance who I will marry in a few weeks. I play in a guild where the average age of the 100+ members is probably 35 or older.
So I am a kid huh?
Tell ya what I think is childish - someone who obviously hates a game, comes to these forums and DAILY bashes this game but continues to play for a good 10 days since he first made a thread saying he was bored with the game. In the meantime, people ask this person why he continues to play a game he hates and he ignores their question.
This same person then goes on to insult the community.
Now, again, back to the original question that the person fails to answer:
Why are you continuing to play WOW if you are bored and hate the game?
And until you answer that question, you are a troll by definition: you repeatedly post negatively about a game that you obviously hate and have said for around 10 days that you are bored with; yet, you still post about how WOW and its community sucks.
So yes you are a troll and my recommendation is to go to the forums of the game you like (WAR) and post positive posts there. I do not play WAR and you do not see me going to the forums daily and creating threads about how it sucks. If you do something like that then it is immature and childish. So maybe the next time you call someone a kid, maybe you should take a long, hard look at your own posts and figure out who the truly immature poster is.
Well siad post Templarga.
It took Greyhoof buying the original and both expansions and clearing all or most of the content of all three to realize the game is boring and skilless. Sounds to me like you played the game, enjoyed it, burnt up all the content and then after being done with the game decided to bash it for no reason other than to try and promote how awesome War is.
No signature, I don't have a pen
But still posting in the WoW forums? I don't know, you sound bored to me.
It took Greyhoof buying the original and both expansions and clearing all or most of the content of all three to realize the game is boring and skilless. Sounds to me like you played the game, enjoyed it, burnt up all the content and then after being done with the game decided to bash it for no reason other than to try and promote how awesome War is.
I sort of agree with you there, but it wasn't time wasted, after all WoW is still the 2nd best MMO out there
It took Greyhoof buying the original and both expansions and clearing all or most of the content of all three to realize the game is boring and skilless. Sounds to me like you played the game, enjoyed it, burnt up all the content and then after being done with the game decided to bash it for no reason other than to try and promote how awesome War is.
I sort of agree with you there, but it wasn't time wasted, after all WoW is still the 2nd best MMO out there
'You' as in your imaginary rogue friend right?
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
It took Greyhoof buying the original and both expansions and clearing all or most of the content of all three to realize the game is boring and skilless. Sounds to me like you played the game, enjoyed it, burnt up all the content and then after being done with the game decided to bash it for no reason other than to try and promote how awesome War is.
I sort of agree with you there, but it wasn't time wasted, after all WoW is still the 2nd best MMO out there
lol
You enjoyed WoW now you enjoy War more. There, now the whole argument is over hehe.
No signature, I don't have a pen
Except for the fact that Mark Jacobs himself said it's not a good sign....
"According to Jacobs, another way to measure success is to look at the number of servers a game has added in a six-month period. “The corollary to that is if you’ve seen a game consolidate servers, you know it’s in deep, deep trouble — that’s not a healthy sign for an MMO,” he said, citing Sony’s January-released “Pirates of the Burning Sea” as a recent example. “It will be the same for ‘Warhammer.’ Look at us six months out. Look at us six weeks out. If we’re not adding servers, we’re not doing well.”
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/08/29/ea-mythic-activision-world-of-warcraft-estimate-is-overblown/