I also find it funny how Fisher has linked to this thread on another site he visits, playing the victim because "all these lefties are attacking me." Poor, poor thing.
your post would be valid if you provided the link to said thread. Would just like to point that out.
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Everyone who's anyone wants a piece of her. Late night TV offers, daytime talk show offers and book deal offers. There are some issues about whether all this attention will interfere with her governing duties, but she's an instant multi-millionaire if she wants to be. click
This is a great development, because Palin will lead the GOP into a wilderness it will never find its way out of.
Republicans with any intelligence reject her outright.
Disagree. She IS EXACTLY what the Republican party wants in a candidate- pro-life, pro-military, small government, less taxes and reducing welfare and entitlement programs.
If your basing your intelligence comment on Sarah's two bad interviews- do you honestly not know how left wing Couric and Gibson are? They could interview ANY Republican in the country and edit the crap out of the interview to make the person look like they had the aptitude of a kindergartner.
Republicans with any intelligence know she has done a phenomenal job running Alaska. She had a shocking approval rating in the high 80's and low 90's as Governor since she was elected. Well, until McCain chose her as his running mate and she dropped into the high 60's because the Alaska Democrats decided miraculously overnight they didn't approve of her anymore LOL! Compare that to the 9% approval rating Senators have.
And to the OP- I have been researching Bobby Jindal and I like him too! I, also, saw a interview with the Gov. of Texas and that man seemed like the whole package- intelligent, excellent personality and very well spoken. Would love to see either of them run in 2012 or 2016:)
lol Your complaining about Katie Couric? Katie Couric? ROFL If a politician can't handle the "hard hitting questions" from a cream puff, softball throwing journalist like Katie, they have no business in national politics to begin with. Katie Couric???
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I want Sarah Palin to stick around. She amuses me in a way that only President Clinton did. It should sound bad to hear/read that, but it is true. I cannot get enough of her. She cracks me up!
Sarah Palin for Senate (Alaska) then president in 2012.
Edit/Aside: I admire her many strengths. She is charismatic, a good speaker, and probably a self-made woman in old fashioned American sense. Moreoever, she does not surrender to the oil lobby - and she got elected to office of Governor for Alaska!
Hahaha I read that thread over at mmofringe. Fishermage is hilarious! Everything to him is black or white, left or right. Him über-alles, nice to see he found a place where everyone is stroking his ego atleast, he really does need that reassurance. And the best thing about Palin so far is the porn spin-off.
Spot on.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
She wasn't even aware that Africa is a continent. Anyone that claims she has any intellectual prowess needs to take a long, hard look at themselves. (feel free to post her reaction to that point, it's telling that all she could manage was to claim it was taken out of context, even she didn't refute the claim)....
Blindly following someone because they agree somewhat with your political views, while ignoring their obvious, fundamental flaws to the extent that you wish to see them elected into the most powerful political system on the face of the planet is pure insanity.
I for one am glad she's been packed off back to Alaska and I really hope she (or anyone in the same mold for that matter) never gets to see frontline politics again, ever.
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Hahaha I read that thread over at mmofringe. Fishermage is hilarious! Everything to him is black or white, left or right. Him über-alles, nice to see he found a place where everyone is stroking his ego atleast, he really does need that reassurance. And the best thing about Palin so far is the porn spin-off.
sarah palin is really an outstanding tv personality. i will surely vote for her when she runs for office. i think she will be a good governor or a senator. what do you think?
Yeah, looks like she's going to be forgotten pretty quickly, doesn't it? What's her name again?
Yep, a fringe right-wing nutjob group nobody has ever heard of makes a youtube vid, and that makes Sarah Palin relevant. She's a joke, and if the Republican party tries to hitch its wagon to her, they will continue to be one. LOL I hope you <Mod edit> run her again, this time against Obama. He will CRUSH her in a debate. SHE KNOWS NOTHING.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Yep, a fringe right-wing nutjob group nobody has ever heard of makes a youtube vid, and that makes Sarah Palin relevant.
"Thank you for standing against the 'share the wealth crowd' and for standing up for working class families" is considered fringe right-wing? There was a time when that was considered mainstream America. If that is now fringe right-wing, then maybe I have good reason to pessimistic about the future.
Yep, a fringe right-wing nutjob group nobody has ever heard of makes a youtube vid, and that makes Sarah Palin relevant.
"Thank you for standing against the 'share the wealth crowd' and for standing up for working class families" is considered fringe right-wing? There was a time when that was considered mainstream America. If that is now fringe right-wing, then maybe I have good reason to pessimistic about the future.
Optionally, you can believe your new President will stand up for working class families too. Sarah Palin and John McCain do, and have expressed great optimism for Obama's presidency. Fall in line!
Optionally, you can believe your new President will stand up for working class families too. Sarah Palin and John McCain do, and have expressed great optimism for Obama's presidency. Fall in line!
If falling in line means supporting Obama without questioning his decisions when you disagree with them, then that ain't going to happen. Believe me, though, I'm willing to give him a chance. Ironically, it appears that some on the left are the ones who are the first to criticize him. Looking back to the Clinton Administration for many of his picks and now the word is he's going to keep Gates on as Sec of Defense. That is not the kind of change they were hoping for. Not only that, but Obama and Bush appear to be on virtually the same page when it comes to the govt bailing out businesses that are in trouble. I can't really fault Obama for that since he is a big government Democrat. I'm probably more disappointed in Bush on that than Obama.
Obama is not even in office and he is aggressively addressing an issue central to many middle class voters: Spending Cuts
It seems to me, this is more focus on a central American issue than Bush showed in 8 years, and I think this is the type of change people are looking for and need. More specifically, decision making based on a bipartisan consensus of the best available information, instead of decisions based solely on a narrow ideological viewpoint. This would be real positive change IMHO.
Compared to this Palin is a sideshow. Possibly important to Republicans, but a sideshow none the less.
Obama is not even in office and he is aggressively addressing an issue central to many middle class voters: Spending Cuts It seems to me, this is more focus on a central American issue than Bush showed in 8 years, and I think this is the type of change people are looking for and need. More specifically, decision making based on a bipartisan consensus of the best available information, instead of decisions based solely on a narrow ideological viewpoint. This would be real positive change IMHO. Compared to this Palin is a sideshow. Possibly important to Republicans, but a sideshow none the less.
You are exactly right that Obama is the real thing, and his commitment towards responsible government is one, among many reasons, I was once a member of the Republican party.
The middle-class, God-willing, will get more (a) money, (b) economic power, (c) political power, (d) accessible/affordable health care, (e) Constitutional rights, and (f) open and honest government.
Obama will be hated for it!
Aside: One thing you will realize, perhaps, if you do achieve success in life, to those reading this, is that many people will like you less as you achieve more. We tend to like idiots. We tend to elect idiots.
Yep, a fringe right-wing nutjob group nobody has ever heard of makes a youtube vid, and that makes Sarah Palin relevant.
"Thank you for standing against the 'share the wealth crowd' and for standing up for working class families" is considered fringe right-wing? There was a time when that was considered mainstream America. If that is now fringe right-wing, then maybe I have good reason to pessimistic about the future.
Optionally, you can believe your new President will stand up for working class families too. Sarah Palin and John McCain do, and have expressed great optimism for Obama's presidency. Fall in line!
Fall in line? Hmm. Well, I always support the president whether I supported him as a candidate or not. I did so with Bush, I shall do so with Obama. That doesn't mean I don't criticise him when he says and does the wrong thing -- it just means I show respect for the office -- something few democrats or republicans do.
I am hopeful and he has made some good moves so far. I am also hopeful for Sarah palin's political future. Those are not mutually exclusive to someone who truly loves America. To people who love a party more than a country, it is alienthink. I'm okay with that as well.
Obama is not even in office and he is aggressively addressing an issue central to many middle class voters: Spending Cuts It seems to me, this is more focus on a central American issue than Bush showed in 8 years, and I think this is the type of change people are looking for and need. More specifically, decision making based on a bipartisan consensus of the best available information, instead of decisions based solely on a narrow ideological viewpoint. This would be real positive change IMHO. Compared to this Palin is a sideshow. Possibly important to Republicans, but a sideshow none the less.
Bush has had to deal with the most important issue since WWII, perhaps a more important one, and he did a reasonably good job there. Sadly, he also spent like a Democrat on steroids.
I am glad Obama is TALKING about getting spending under control, and I hope he means it.
Bush made NO decisions based upon an ideological viewpoint -- he was a centrist, and a pragmatist just like Obama seems to be -- just a terrible communicator and had to deal with a terrible hatred from the left and the media. I hope Obama is spared this great evil infecting our country. Looking at how Republicans treated Clinton, I tend to doubt that he will be spared.
Palin is far from a sideshow. She is the future. So is JIndal. Looks good to me.
It is all important and we owe ourselves a better level of discussion on these matters.
Originally posted by Fishermage Bush was a centrist, and a pragmatist just like Obama
Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
I don't think you know either very well. I see little difference between the two, other than Obama obviously has more charisma, and has the press on his side. Bush certainly was a centrist, and certainly was a pragmatist -- there was nothing ideological about him; some of his rhetoric, perhaps, but that's hardly relevant to what someone actually does in office.
Spent like a democrat -- pragmatist. Picked conventional picks for the Supreme Court -- pragmatist. Cut taxes to buy votes -- pragmatist. Tried to forge a deal with democrats to create a comprehensive immigration plan -- pragmatist. Tried to do the same with Social Security -- pragmatist. No child left behind looks like a bad democrat social program -- pragmatist. Proscription drug benefit -- pragmatist. In the end, the biggest government bail-out in history -- pragmatist. The war -- members of BOTH parties backed him, until it became politically expedient to throw him under the bus over it -- pragmatist. Remember he RAN as a fairly isolationist guy who wanted to get our troops OUT of the middle east. Pragmatist.
All of these are centrist, pragmatic responses to the issues, all cost him with ideological conservatives. His low approval ratings could ONLY be generated by a pragmatist and a centrist -- everyone hates him, RIGHT and left. That means he is a failed centrist.
Originally posted by Fishermage Bush was a centrist, and a pragmatist just like Obama
Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
And Obama is no Bush. There's no reason to criticize him now since he hasn't even taken office yet, but I have some serious concerns about his ability to keep America safe from foreign threats. Bush has done such a good job keeping us safe since 9/11 that I think most Americans have slipped back into a state of complacency when it comes to terrorism. If so, that is a mistake as the current attacks taking place in Mumbai, India show us. Terrorism is not going away and America must remain vigilant. Obama is talking about closing down Gitmo and we could potentially see some of the most dangerous people in the world, now incarcerated, released back into the world. The economy is not the only issue out there.
Originally posted by Fishermage Bush was a centrist, and a pragmatist just like Obama
Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
His father was a centrist and he probably would have been too if it had not been for 9/11. After that there was little centrist about his administration. The use of primitive military force, legalization of torture, stripping of civil right, secret detention facilities, replacing industrial government over site with industrial lobbyist.
It has often been said that Bush felt his father was not conservative enough and that he believed 911 gave him the opportunity to take the party farther to the right. I think this is an accurate assessment. Unfortunately, his view of "farther right" was not in line with what many (including myself) view as conservative. It is however what Conservative thought had evolved into in the 25 to 30 years since Reagan.
Originally posted by Fishermage Bush was a centrist, and a pragmatist just like Obama
Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
His father was a centrist and he probably would have been too if it had not been for 9/11. After that there was little centrist about his administration. The use of primitive military force, legalization of torture, stripping of civil right, secret detention facilities, replacing industrial government over site with industrial lobbyist.
It has often been said that Bush felt his father was not conservative enough and that he believed 911 gave him the opportunity to take the party farther to the right. I think this is an accurate assessment. Unfortunately, his view of "farther right" was not in line with what many (including myself) view as conservative. It is however what Conservative thought had evolved into in the 25 to 30 years since Reagan.
Sacrificing civil liberties for the sake of a war is certainly centrist. There is nothing "right wing" about war, or Bush's responses to the war. This is pure big government pragmatism.
Bush has done such a good job keeping us safe since 9/11 that I think most Americans have slipped back into a state of complacency when it comes to terrorism.
It could be argued, If our enemy is smart, and I believe they are, that having us run up a 10 trillion dollar debt in a fruitless war is a major victory for them. A victory that makes us much more vulnerable. This War will not be won a battlefield! But I agree it must be won.
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This is a great development, because Palin will lead the GOP into a wilderness it will never find its way out of.
Republicans with any intelligence reject her outright.
Disagree. She IS EXACTLY what the Republican party wants in a candidate- pro-life, pro-military, small government, less taxes and reducing welfare and entitlement programs.
If your basing your intelligence comment on Sarah's two bad interviews- do you honestly not know how left wing Couric and Gibson are? They could interview ANY Republican in the country and edit the crap out of the interview to make the person look like they had the aptitude of a kindergartner.
Republicans with any intelligence know she has done a phenomenal job running Alaska. She had a shocking approval rating in the high 80's and low 90's as Governor since she was elected. Well, until McCain chose her as his running mate and she dropped into the high 60's because the Alaska Democrats decided miraculously overnight they didn't approve of her anymore LOL! Compare that to the 9% approval rating Senators have.
And to the OP- I have been researching Bobby Jindal and I like him too! I, also, saw a interview with the Gov. of Texas and that man seemed like the whole package- intelligent, excellent personality and very well spoken. Would love to see either of them run in 2012 or 2016:)
lol Your complaining about Katie Couric? Katie Couric? ROFL If a politician can't handle the "hard hitting questions" from a cream puff, softball throwing journalist like Katie, they have no business in national politics to begin with. Katie Couric???
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I want Sarah Palin to stick around. She amuses me in a way that only President Clinton did. It should sound bad to hear/read that, but it is true. I cannot get enough of her. She cracks me up!
Sarah Palin for Senate (Alaska) then president in 2012.
Edit/Aside: I admire her many strengths. She is charismatic, a good speaker, and probably a self-made woman in old fashioned American sense. Moreoever, she does not surrender to the oil lobby - and she got elected to office of Governor for Alaska!
Spot on.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Friendly reminder: topic is "Sarah Palin bigger than ever".
Sarah Palin had the entire feminist movement smacking their heads in disgust when she first opened her mouth.
She'll get her 10 minutes, and then be gone.
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She wasn't even aware that Africa is a continent. Anyone that claims she has any intellectual prowess needs to take a long, hard look at themselves. (feel free to post her reaction to that point, it's telling that all she could manage was to claim it was taken out of context, even she didn't refute the claim)....
Blindly following someone because they agree somewhat with your political views, while ignoring their obvious, fundamental flaws to the extent that you wish to see them elected into the most powerful political system on the face of the planet is pure insanity.
I for one am glad she's been packed off back to Alaska and I really hope she (or anyone in the same mold for that matter) never gets to see frontline politics again, ever.
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LMFAO
sarah palin is really an outstanding tv personality. i will surely vote for her when she runs for office. i think she will be a good governor or a senator. what do you think?
Yeah, looks like she's going to be forgotten pretty quickly, doesn't it?
What's her name again?
She is on her way to Georgia to help Chambliss.sweet thing will be in Atlanta on Monday.
For me she was a breath of fresh air,Mc cain would have lost even worse with out her.
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She's a joke, and if the Republican party tries to hitch its wagon to her, they will continue to be one. LOL I hope you <Mod edit> run her again, this time against Obama. He will CRUSH her in a debate. SHE KNOWS NOTHING.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
"Thank you for standing against the 'share the wealth crowd' and for standing up for working class families" is considered fringe right-wing? There was a time when that was considered mainstream America. If that is now fringe right-wing, then maybe I have good reason to pessimistic about the future.
"Thank you for standing against the 'share the wealth crowd' and for standing up for working class families" is considered fringe right-wing? There was a time when that was considered mainstream America. If that is now fringe right-wing, then maybe I have good reason to pessimistic about the future.
Optionally, you can believe your new President will stand up for working class families too. Sarah Palin and John McCain do, and have expressed great optimism for Obama's presidency. Fall in line!
If falling in line means supporting Obama without questioning his decisions when you disagree with them, then that ain't going to happen. Believe me, though, I'm willing to give him a chance. Ironically, it appears that some on the left are the ones who are the first to criticize him. Looking back to the Clinton Administration for many of his picks and now the word is he's going to keep Gates on as Sec of Defense. That is not the kind of change they were hoping for. Not only that, but Obama and Bush appear to be on virtually the same page when it comes to the govt bailing out businesses that are in trouble. I can't really fault Obama for that since he is a big government Democrat. I'm probably more disappointed in Bush on that than Obama.
Obama is not even in office and he is aggressively addressing an issue central to many middle class voters: Spending Cuts
It seems to me, this is more focus on a central American issue than Bush showed in 8 years, and I think this is the type of change people are looking for and need. More specifically, decision making based on a bipartisan consensus of the best available information, instead of decisions based solely on a narrow ideological viewpoint. This would be real positive change IMHO.
Compared to this Palin is a sideshow. Possibly important to Republicans, but a sideshow none the less.
You are exactly right that Obama is the real thing, and his commitment towards responsible government is one, among many reasons, I was once a member of the Republican party.
The middle-class, God-willing, will get more (a) money, (b) economic power, (c) political power, (d) accessible/affordable health care, (e) Constitutional rights, and (f) open and honest government.
Obama will be hated for it!
Aside: One thing you will realize, perhaps, if you do achieve success in life, to those reading this, is that many people will like you less as you achieve more. We tend to like idiots. We tend to elect idiots.
"Thank you for standing against the 'share the wealth crowd' and for standing up for working class families" is considered fringe right-wing? There was a time when that was considered mainstream America. If that is now fringe right-wing, then maybe I have good reason to pessimistic about the future.
Optionally, you can believe your new President will stand up for working class families too. Sarah Palin and John McCain do, and have expressed great optimism for Obama's presidency. Fall in line!
Fall in line? Hmm. Well, I always support the president whether I supported him as a candidate or not. I did so with Bush, I shall do so with Obama. That doesn't mean I don't criticise him when he says and does the wrong thing -- it just means I show respect for the office -- something few democrats or republicans do.
I am hopeful and he has made some good moves so far. I am also hopeful for Sarah palin's political future. Those are not mutually exclusive to someone who truly loves America. To people who love a party more than a country, it is alienthink. I'm okay with that as well.
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Bush has had to deal with the most important issue since WWII, perhaps a more important one, and he did a reasonably good job there. Sadly, he also spent like a Democrat on steroids.
I am glad Obama is TALKING about getting spending under control, and I hope he means it.
Bush made NO decisions based upon an ideological viewpoint -- he was a centrist, and a pragmatist just like Obama seems to be -- just a terrible communicator and had to deal with a terrible hatred from the left and the media. I hope Obama is spared this great evil infecting our country. Looking at how Republicans treated Clinton, I tend to doubt that he will be spared.
Palin is far from a sideshow. She is the future. So is JIndal. Looks good to me.
It is all important and we owe ourselves a better level of discussion on these matters.
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Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
I don't think you know either very well. I see little difference between the two, other than Obama obviously has more charisma, and has the press on his side. Bush certainly was a centrist, and certainly was a pragmatist -- there was nothing ideological about him; some of his rhetoric, perhaps, but that's hardly relevant to what someone actually does in office.
Spent like a democrat -- pragmatist. Picked conventional picks for the Supreme Court -- pragmatist. Cut taxes to buy votes -- pragmatist. Tried to forge a deal with democrats to create a comprehensive immigration plan -- pragmatist. Tried to do the same with Social Security -- pragmatist. No child left behind looks like a bad democrat social program -- pragmatist. Proscription drug benefit -- pragmatist. In the end, the biggest government bail-out in history -- pragmatist. The war -- members of BOTH parties backed him, until it became politically expedient to throw him under the bus over it -- pragmatist. Remember he RAN as a fairly isolationist guy who wanted to get our troops OUT of the middle east. Pragmatist.
All of these are centrist, pragmatic responses to the issues, all cost him with ideological conservatives. His low approval ratings could ONLY be generated by a pragmatist and a centrist -- everyone hates him, RIGHT and left. That means he is a failed centrist.
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Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
And Obama is no Bush. There's no reason to criticize him now since he hasn't even taken office yet, but I have some serious concerns about his ability to keep America safe from foreign threats. Bush has done such a good job keeping us safe since 9/11 that I think most Americans have slipped back into a state of complacency when it comes to terrorism. If so, that is a mistake as the current attacks taking place in Mumbai, India show us. Terrorism is not going away and America must remain vigilant. Obama is talking about closing down Gitmo and we could potentially see some of the most dangerous people in the world, now incarcerated, released back into the world. The economy is not the only issue out there.
Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
His father was a centrist and he probably would have been too if it had not been for 9/11. After that there was little centrist about his administration. The use of primitive military force, legalization of torture, stripping of civil right, secret detention facilities, replacing industrial government over site with industrial lobbyist.
It has often been said that Bush felt his father was not conservative enough and that he believed 911 gave him the opportunity to take the party farther to the right. I think this is an accurate assessment. Unfortunately, his view of "farther right" was not in line with what many (including myself) view as conservative. It is however what Conservative thought had evolved into in the 25 to 30 years since Reagan.
Sir, I know Bush. I know Obama.
And Bush is no Obama. And Bush is not a centrist nor a pragmatist.
Good grief.
His father was a centrist and he probably would have been too if it had not been for 9/11. After that there was little centrist about his administration. The use of primitive military force, legalization of torture, stripping of civil right, secret detention facilities, replacing industrial government over site with industrial lobbyist.
It has often been said that Bush felt his father was not conservative enough and that he believed 911 gave him the opportunity to take the party farther to the right. I think this is an accurate assessment. Unfortunately, his view of "farther right" was not in line with what many (including myself) view as conservative. It is however what Conservative thought had evolved into in the 25 to 30 years since Reagan.
Sacrificing civil liberties for the sake of a war is certainly centrist. There is nothing "right wing" about war, or Bush's responses to the war. This is pure big government pragmatism.
fishermage.blogspot.com
It could be argued, If our enemy is smart, and I believe they are, that having us run up a 10 trillion dollar debt in a fruitless war is a major victory for them. A victory that makes us much more vulnerable. This War will not be won a battlefield! But I agree it must be won.