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Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?
ArcAngel3
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I posted this on the vet forum, but also wanted to post it here, since the forums are sometimes read by different groups of people.
I've read some posts about people losing a lot of money trying to get a specific loot card in the StarWars TCG. Has that happened to anyone on this board? I'd be curious to know what you were after, how much it cost you, and whether or not you ever actually got what you were looking for.
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2 guys in my guild have spent well over 400 quid (each) trying to get a Sith speeder and got a painting, a sweater and a Jawa vendor between them.
This is why I am so angry about the TCG, these guys dont have that money to spend and CLEARLY have a gambling problem. I had a long talk with one of them and he had trouble with his wife when she saw the CC bill.
The TCG needs to be stopped. I am doing everything I can to raise awareness with state and provincial agencies. I'm also trying to convince my guild mate to let me use his story (backed up with evidence of how much he has spent).
S
Yes lets blame the game for some idiot with a gambling problem wasting his cash to get a certain card.
While we're at it, lets blame the casinos for not letting everyone who enters win the jackpot.
If it was advertised as a lottery/gambling, I wouldn't have any sympathy at all. As usual, SOE aren't playing by the rules.
Obviously you dont understand that gambling is a disease and is not easily controlled.
S
As usual, people look for someone else to blame. If he can't restrict his spending then he shouldn't have access to a Credit Card. At all. Things shouldn't be stopped for others because a small minority have no self control.
I think loot cards should be cards that you have to earn in the game with in game currency rather than having to pay for them. However SOE knows that then TCG wont make any money so they'll never do that. I find it a shame the route SOE are going and just glad they ruined SWG before this came.
I like the TCG but I think the loot card system is total bollox and just adds something else to the list of how SOE ruined SWG.
it's gambling obraik. Enabling is half the problem. Don't be ignorant of marketing. They know exactly what they're doing. I'm sure they're getting more money per loot card than they otherwise would have if they offered a straight fee. So people are being taken advantage of.
did soe provide the odds of getting certain loot cards? At least at a casino you can find out the odds of winning at certain games to help you decide how much money you're willing to waste beforehand.
Again. This guy is trolling for effect. See his post HERE.
And my reply as well.
yeah that's gambling ssnautilus. It doesn't matter that everyone gets a few quarters for the slot machines each month. In fact that might entice more gambling since it gets everyone involved.
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..
This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.
And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.
The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all.
Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.
S
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..
This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.
And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.
The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all.
Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.
S
I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...
As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true. As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.
it's gambling obraik. Enabling is half the problem. Don't be ignorant of marketing. They know exactly what they're doing. I'm sure they're getting more money per loot card than they otherwise would have if they offered a straight fee. So people are being taken advantage of.
did soe provide the odds of getting certain loot cards? At least at a casino you can find out the odds of winning at certain games to help you decide how much money you're willing to waste beforehand.
No, they have credit card management issues and should never have been assigned a card in the first place. Sorry, but if you can't control your spending then you need to look at yourself before you take the typical American response and start blaming everyone else for "enabling."
Er...who cares if anyone loses a lot of money trying to get this stuff?
No, seriously, we are responsible for our own actions, and if we can't control it, well, chalk it up as a failed experiment of nature and move on.
Like others said, no reason to restrict the enjoyment of many to protect the few from themselves.
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So what would "make it true" then? It seems like a pretty clear cut case of SOE abusing gambling to leech money out of a dwindling subscriber base, but you seem bent on telling us it's not. What's the difference?
So what would "make it true" then? It seems like a pretty clear cut case of SOE abusing gambling to leech money out of a dwindling subscriber base, but you seem bent on telling us it's not. What's the difference?
When you play a gambling game, your prize is typically sums of money. You can then use that money to play the game again and again, etc.
So what would "make it true" then? It seems like a pretty clear cut case of SOE abusing gambling to leech money out of a dwindling subscriber base, but you seem bent on telling us it's not. What's the difference?
When you play a gambling game, your prize is typically sums of money. You can then use that money to play the game again and again, etc.
Seriously? That's all you've got?
So what would "make it true" then? It seems like a pretty clear cut case of SOE abusing gambling to leech money out of a dwindling subscriber base, but you seem bent on telling us it's not. What's the difference?
When you play a gambling game, your prize is typically sums of money. You can then use that money to play the game again and again, etc.
We know you just cant bring yourself to say anything against SOE and equally, you dont seem to be able to bring yourself to come to terms with the concepts involved in gambling as your aforementioned definition is completely inadequate.
S
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..
This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.
And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.
The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all.
Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.
S
I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...
As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true. As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.
Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.
S
I guess the US and Canadian lottery commissions need to get on Topps and Fleers ass then. Oh..and Wizards of the Coast....All of these companies have been exploiting the "rare" card trap...both on children and adults for a long while now. You're never guaranteed a rookie or a hologram or foil or Blackspawn of the Moors when you buy a pack of their cards. It's usually the motivator for purchase though and if you get one .....you can charge a butt-load of cash for it. Is this gambling?
Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome.
By definition, yes, although as I remember, someone pointed out that there is a big difference between what Topps et al do and what SOE are doing.
S
it's gambling obraik. Enabling is half the problem. Don't be ignorant of marketing. They know exactly what they're doing. I'm sure they're getting more money per loot card than they otherwise would have if they offered a straight fee. So people are being taken advantage of.
did soe provide the odds of getting certain loot cards? At least at a casino you can find out the odds of winning at certain games to help you decide how much money you're willing to waste beforehand.
No, they have credit card management issues and should never have been assigned a card in the first place. Sorry, but if you can't control your spending then you need to look at yourself before you take the typical American response and start blaming everyone else for "enabling."
you shouldn't be assigned a credit card only if you have major gambling problems. You don't need a major gambling problem to be taken advantage of by a marketing scheme involving gambling.
how much do players need to spend on an obvious gambling scheme with the odds stacked against them, before they "need to look at themselves"? That line gets crossed way after players are taken advantage of.
So what would "make it true" then? It seems like a pretty clear cut case of SOE abusing gambling to leech money out of a dwindling subscriber base, but you seem bent on telling us it's not. What's the difference?
When you play a gambling game, your prize is typically sums of money. You can then use that money to play the game again and again, etc.
yes, typically
Winnings in a raffle or lottery need not be cash and many times aren't.
Cars, vacations, jewelry and every other kind of good are given out as prizes.
Under most statutes, it only need be "something of value." Could be a service, could be anything.
Since some of these loot cards are selling for hundreds of dollars on 3rd party sites, the "marketplace" has determined that these things have value.
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..
This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.
And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.
The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all.
Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.
S
I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...
As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true. As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.
Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.
S
The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense. If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card.
At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference. By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..
This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.
And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.
The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all.
Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.
S
I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...
As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true. As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.
Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.
S
The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense. If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card.
At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference. By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.
Oh, so the definition of gambling is different in NZ. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
So people who are prone to gambling should not be allowed to posess Credit cards? Do you even read the stuff you write?
Conversely, Is it possible that MAYBE SOE shouldn't be allowed to break countless state and provincial gambling laws in pursuit of the dollar?
SOE could be slaughtering kittens and you'd have some way to rationalise it.
Agree to disagree.
S