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  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,574
    Originally posted by Ginaz


    "Originally Posted by Smed [View Post]

    I've been a regular lurker on this site for a while but I wanted to step in here and dispel something that's just plain not true - I don't have my name highlighted here, but anyone that doubts it's me can email me at jsmedley@soe.sony.com and I'll happily reply.
    We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement.
    In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers.
    John Smedley

    President, Sony Online Entertainment"
     
    Why am I not surprised this guy lied to his customers...again?
    Hey fanboys...care to comment?

    Come on fanboys.  Lets here your defence of Smed on this.  I'd love to hear it.  Step up to the plate.

    Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

    Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  • MagikarpsGhostMagikarpsGhost Member RarePosts: 689

    Hey SOE will keep it up as long as there are ppl willing to buy it. Just like gold sellers. for every gold seller account banned there are 10 or more ppl buying gold from them. so my point here is as long as ppl pay SOE will keep adding its called marketing

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  • IAmMMOIAmMMO Member UncommonPosts: 1,462

    Yup, this surly is a move towards more greed on SOE's part...SOE seen the amount of suckers out there willing to part with cash for a virtual card game and chance of a bullshit in game rewards. Before a monthly subscription was enough to play an SOE MMO and have the dev team improve the game, and you could just play the game to get the what you wanted out if it and get desired items

    Now SOE MMO's it's the monthly sub with a system to buy virtual credit with RMT in order to get those items. Once MMO's centers around this is looses sight of what it's meant to be. A game you sit down to immerse yourself in with others to have fun. There's making money and then there's out right greed. They sure picked the wrong time to pull this stunt with the world credit crunch and all. It exposes their greed even more doing this at time where a lot of people have the threat of baylifts at their front doors.

    Whatever happened to putting time into a game to achieve things being the norm? SOE are a business of lets make a profit first then try worry about how we do the business second... Instead of caring and doing a great job on their MMO's and success will follow. SOE gone the route of can't beat the gold sellers and buyers lets join them and have everybody pay us to get anything of real use in game. They really don't see the negative knock on effects this has on gaming in general. It's the capitalist greedy pigs route. SOE as a company is burning more bridges. It will be a shadow of its former self come 2015 is my guess. No company is more deserving of a chapter 11 than SOE.

  • IAmMMOIAmMMO Member UncommonPosts: 1,462
    Originally posted by salvaje

    Originally posted by Ginaz


    "Originally Posted by Smed [View Post]

    I've been a regular lurker on this site for a while but I wanted to step in here and dispel something that's just plain not true - I don't have my name highlighted here, but anyone that doubts it's me can email me at jsmedley@soe.sony.com and I'll happily reply.
    We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement.
    In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers.
    John Smedley

    President, Sony Online Entertainment"
     
    Why am I not surprised this guy lied to his customers...again?
    Hey fanboys...care to comment?

     

    ROFL!  Typical Smed.  The man is a damn liar.  Remember he told us that they'd be making the CU better, and that it was "here to stay" and that it was done so they could "add a lot of content really fast" to the game.  Instead they were actually working on the NGE.

    DO WE NEED ANY MORE PROOF PEOPLE?  Smed is a liar and a swindler.  SOE is a dishonest company, their word means NOTHING. 

     

      I agree. The guys the biggest joke in the MMO industry. Not a RMT setup he says? O'rly? Does this douche bag take us for idiots? The fact he tries to blatantly try tell us it's not a RMT system. Right so you pay SOE first for some virtual credits like your entering some kiddie land theme park and it's not a RMT system for ingame items? The only players SOE is attracting now are naïve players who don't know any better, but in time even they will grow wise to this nasty greedy company run by this utterly incompetent moron called Smed. I can't believe I was bored enough at one point this year to try SWG again for a month. I quickly saw the cracks appear over the so called fixes two weeks in the sub.

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495

    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???

    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  

     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292

     

  • BlackWatchBlackWatch Member UncommonPosts: 972

    SOE is a plague to the MMORPG community.  

    They are the crusher of spirits and murderer's of inner-children everywhere.

    RMT's scmaR-MT's. 

    SOE will beat, cheat, lie, and deny to make a dollar and earn a cent. 

    Why people play any of their games at this point is far beyond me.  There is no reason to the madness in SOE's actions over the last 6 or so years.

    I'm sorry, but I simply can't have any faith in anything that SOE has done, is doing, or will do.  Why spend time even caring about SWG anymore? 

    I made the mistake of re-subbing to SWG for 1 day.  Dumb move on my part and it won't ever happen again.

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  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,574
    Originally posted by Reklaw


    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  
     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
     

    Yeah, I've seen that.  I'm really disappointed.  We'll have to wait and see all he details but if all thats true it doesn't bode well.

    Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

    Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  • hubertgrovehubertgrove Member Posts: 1,141
    Originally posted by Ginaz

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  
     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
     

    Yeah, I've seen that.  I'm really disappointed.  We'll have to wait and see all he details but if all thats true it doesn't bode well.



     

    Let's not get too panicked just yet.

    Riccitiello is the same kind of madman as Smed; however, aside from marketing, his decisions are largely organised by the people who really run the company and they do their thing however he shoots his mouth off. Obviously, that has advantages and disadvantages.

  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261
    Originally posted by Reklaw


    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  
     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
     



     

    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|

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  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383
    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  
     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
     



     

    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|



     

    Yeah, I'll be staying far away from it for sure then.

    But it's nice that they're not just springing this on a paying playerbase.

  • hubertgrovehubertgrove Member Posts: 1,141

    Let's not panic too soon until we hear from Richietto's many mental doctors and therapists about whether the great man's utterance was 'officially on the record' or 'just another one of his crazy-bird delusions'.

  • At least they announced it now so they can experience the shitstorm in advance.  I seriously doubt a RMT "pay as you play" model is going to work.

     

  • Devildog1Devildog1 Member Posts: 494
    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  
     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
     



     

    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|



     

    Hey keep toting the company line and earn your shill checks! If that announcement is true at least EA had the balls to say it upfront, instead of how SOE does buisness by  just dropping it on thier playerbase without notice Ala the NGE!  

  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,301

    I'll bet all my stationcash on this matter. They will implement it in SWG and Vanguard.

     



  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383
    Originally posted by Devildog1

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  
     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
     



     

    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|



     

    Hey keep toting the company line and earn your shill checks! If that announcement is true at least EA had the balls to say it upfront, instead of how SOE does buisness by  just dropping it on thier playerbase without notice Ala the NGE!  



     

    My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's.

  • Smed's perceptions though are limited to Smed's vision though.

    Smed declared that the subscription model was dead, mostly because SOE keeps losing them across all their games, when the opposite is true, the industry AS A WHOLE is gaining in subscriptions, but SOE isn't.

    And now we see Smed's vision of  "macrotranscam" (don't call it microtransaction, there will be NOTHING micro about it once in play) which is to double dip, get the sub fee AND RMT by making certain items RMT exclusive, which in SWG is done via the card game gambling scheme.

    Right now, the items available via RMT in EQ/EQ2 are not the best ones in those games.  Anyone who knows SOE knows that this will NOT be the case for long, just as with the card game, they will not be able to resist the temptation to put better and better stuff out there, and will eventually put stuff that is "must have" that will be RMT exclusive.

    You know this is going to happen.

  • efefiaefefia Member Posts: 631
    Originally posted by Obraik




     
    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|



     

    Anyone with any former dealings with EA know what they're like, don't really see how it's relevent here though, as I said in another thread, at least with RMT's you pay for what you want, not for a "chance" to get what you want, given a choice of the two, I think I'd take the lesser of two evils.

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  • Originally posted by efefia

    Originally posted by Obraik




     
    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|



     

    Anyone with any former dealings with EA know what they're like, don't really see how it's relevent here though, as I said in another thread, at least with RMT's you pay for what you want, not for a "chance" to get what you want, given a choice of the two, I think I'd take the lesser of two evils.

     

    The lesser of two evils is still evil.

     

  • ObeeObee Member Posts: 1,550
    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  
     orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292
     



     

    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|

     

    I was unaware that EA added RMT to TOR, just after an expansion was released, after claiming they would never do so.  It sort of reminds me of the time EA announced a complete, and horrible I might add, revamp of one of their games just two days after releasing an expansion for that game.

    EA is certainly not filled with angels, but they have a long way to go before they can even come close to being the complete unethical douchebags the folks in charge of SOE are.  That said, anyone who is willing to continue to pay money to SOE, knowing full well how SOE opperates (which requires just one functioning brain cell at this point), deserves no sympathy when SOE finally gets around to screwing them.

     

  • ObeeObee Member Posts: 1,550
    Originally posted by efefia

    Originally posted by Obraik




     
    Heh, was about to post that.  SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|



     

    Anyone with any former dealings with EA know what they're like, don't really see how it's relevent here though, as I said in another thread, at least with RMT's you pay for what you want, not for a "chance" to get what you want, given a choice of the two, I think I'd take the lesser of two evils.

     

    I'm not big on the whole RMT deal (it has pretty much killed any enthusiasm I had for TOR that hadn't already been killed by the term 'heroic' being attached to every aspect of the game), but at least EA is going to announce it before the game ships, instead of sneaking it in after four years.  It is almost like the folks at SOE sit around an brainstorm ideas on how to do things to maximize the number of customers they piss off.

     

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495

    Need to ad alitte something to what I copied about EA going RMT with SW:TOR, seems to be pretty much a rumor...for now......: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=9553  

    "Hey everyone, sorry for not chiming in right with this but I wanted to confirm the accuracy of what I was going to say before posting it.

    This unfortunately was a big misunderstanding and I want to be clear: we have made no official statements about the business model for Star Wars: The Old Republic.

    When we do have information as to business model for The Old Republic, we will definitely share it with all of you and you’ll find that information here on the official website."

     

  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156


    Originally posted by Reklaw
    So who of you is looking forward to SW:Tor ???
    To end a somewhat surprisingly eventful day for the RMT and microtrasaction model, EA has announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based. Instead, the title will be gain revenue from a microtransactional model. Shacknews reports this surprising tidbit from a conference call held by the mega-publisher earlier today. Said CEO John Riccitiello, "The Star Wars online MMO [is a] mid-session game, microtransaction-based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February [conference] call." According to the game news site, "Mid-session" is a term that EA uses synonymously with microtransaction-supported titles. This fits effortlessly into EA's portfolio alongside games like Warhammer Online and the DICE title Battlefield Online. http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/
    orignal post > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56292

    Heh more reasons why I don't have any hope for SW:TOR, never really did since Oct 21st.

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  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by sookster54


     


    Heh more reasons why I don't have any hope for SW:TOR, never really did since Oct 21st.
     



     

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  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383
    Originally posted by Reklaw


    Need to ad alitte something to what I copied about EA going RMT with SW:TOR, seems to be pretty much a rumor...for now......: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=9553  
    "Hey everyone, sorry for not chiming in right with this but I wanted to confirm the accuracy of what I was going to say before posting it.
    This unfortunately was a big misunderstanding and I want to be clear: we have made no official statements about the business model for Star Wars: The Old Republic.
    When we do have information as to business model for The Old Republic, we will definitely share it with all of you and you’ll find that information here on the official website."

     



     

    Thanks for posting that Reklaw.

    With any luck Bioware has paid some attention to the uproar this has caused and will think twice about it now.

    Actually on second thought wouldn't a company like this have already determined it's payment system when formulating a business plan for a game like TOR?

  • ObeeObee Member Posts: 1,550
    Originally posted by Reklaw


    Need to ad alitte something to what I copied about EA going RMT with SW:TOR, seems to be pretty much a rumor...for now......: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=9553  
    "Hey everyone, sorry for not chiming in right with this but I wanted to confirm the accuracy of what I was going to say before posting it.
    This unfortunately was a big misunderstanding and I want to be clear: we have made no official statements about the business model for Star Wars: The Old Republic.
    When we do have information as to business model for The Old Republic, we will definitely share it with all of you and you’ll find that information here on the official website."

     

     

    It's a rumor in the same manner that the MMO was based on Star Wars, after EA's CEO let it slip.  It is something that is much more subject to change than the game's IP, but I don't have much hope that it will.  I guess we'll have to wait until February to find out.

     

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