The Noob Reviews... How is this revolutionary?

SupderD

So, after reading the Noob Reviews I thought I'd post my own insight on a different thread, as both of those threads seem to .. well step away from the OP.

It seems Darkfall is going more and more away from a typical MMORPG with full loot, and more into a persistent FPS, sort of like a continuing CoD4 map, that just doesn't end, but instead of guns, you have swords. 

Then, after reading about "power ups" and "Skills you purchase" it is becoming less and less interesting.

The way I'm seeing Darkfall now is just another PlanetSide, but instead of blasters and guns, you have the swords and spells.  Horses are vehicles and the like.  The biggest difference in actual play is the addition of dropping your 'cool gear' when you die. 

Now, how is this revolutionary?

daarco

Its because the sambox style gameplay. And yes, you have to get the skill in the first place by a trainer to be able to raise it by training.

Blodpls

Originally posted by SupderD 
It seems Darkfall is going more and more away from a typical MMORPG with full loot, and more into a persistent FPS, sort of like a continuing CoD4 map, that just doesn't end, but instead of guns, you have swords.

 

I really hope you are correct, if this the logical progression of a merger between fps and mmorpg then it will make myself and a lot of other people very happy.  I think in reality though it will be far more weighted towards mmorpg elements, not that that's bad either though.

Trissa

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by SupderD 
It seems Darkfall is going more and more away from a typical MMORPG with full loot, and more into a persistent FPS, sort of like a continuing CoD4 map, that just doesn't end, but instead of guns, you have swords.

 

I really hope you are correct, if this the logical progression of a merger between fps and mmorpg then it will make myself and a lot of other people very happy.  I think in reality though it will be far more weighted towards mmorpg elements, not that that's bad either though.

 

This is the main question i ask myself. More FPS or more RPG? If it is too much wheighted towars FPS elements for my taste i'm not going to call Darkfall my home. I know the answer will need some time of actual game play.

Blodpls

Originally posted by Trissa 
This is the main question i ask myself. More FPS or more RPG? If it is too much wheighted towars FPS elements for my taste i'm not going to call Darkfall my home. I know the answer will need some time of actual game play.

 

It's an interesting topic really as when people talk about mmorpg they bring many preconceptions based on what they have experienced in previous games.  Personally I do not think that designers should be looking too much at what has come before, except maybe the glaring failures in game design, they should be interpreting what a massive rpg world / game is in their own way and construct it based on their own unique concept.  By doing this we will get more unique gaming experiences. 

OutlawVR

Originally posted by SupderD


So, after reading the Noob Reviews I thought I'd post my own insight on a different thread, as both of those threads seem to .. well step away from the OP.
It seems Darkfall is going more and more away from a typical MMORPG with full loot, and more into a persistent FPS, sort of like a continuing CoD4 map, that just doesn't end, but instead of guns, you have swords. 
Then, after reading about "power ups" and "Skills you purchase" it is becoming less and less interesting.
The way I'm seeing Darkfall now is just another PlanetSide, but instead of blasters and guns, you have the swords and spells.  Horses are vehicles and the like.  The biggest difference in actual play is the addition of dropping your 'cool gear' when you die. 
Now, how is this revolutionary?

 

Darkfall is a MMORPG with FPS/TPS combat.

I don't know why this is such a hard concept to understand for some ppl.

Where did she mention "power ups" in her review. And yes you purchase skills...just like almost every other MMO ever made.

It will only be planetside if there is no real persistant world to speak of.

Darkfall promises a very persistant world that the players evolve over a long period of time.

StopidFanboi

Play DMoMM multiplayer, reminded me of the Darkfall vids.

BUT THAT'S ONLY CAUSE I GOT MY TASOS-GLASSES ON

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Arcken

The only thing I can think of as revolutionary about DFO is their marketing strategy, or lack thereof.

screenpete

I acctually liked planet side.

Frostbite05

there isnt anything revolutionary or new to it.

sanders01

Originally posted by StopidFanboi


Play DMoMM multiplayer, reminded me of the Darkfall vids.
BUT THAT'S ONLY CAUSE I GOT MY TASOS-GLASSES ON
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

/agree

Salvatoris

Originally posted by Arcken


The only thing I can think of as revolutionary about DFO is their marketing strategy, or lack thereof.

 

Right.  I keep seeing the fanboys say how revolutionary this game is, then they follow it up with a long list of features we have all seen before in other games. 

DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Arcken


The only thing I can think of as revolutionary about DFO is their marketing strategy, or lack thereof.

 

Right.  I keep seeing the fanboys say how revolutionary this game is, then they follow it up with a long list of features we have all seen before in other games. 

 

The plural is here of  importance...cause like examined in other thread  Naval Warfare  + Full loot + crafting + land to sea shore combat / shore to sea combat + friendly fire + manual aiming + mounted combat  +  city building /sieging + collision detection + physics  + sandbox + freedom to train every  skill + massive scale battles  is hardly seen in others MMO together in one place.

 You can of course start to pay 3 or 4+ subscriptions to find that all..

obii

They take skillbased a bit extreme, but for that part it is something new. (like Spellborn, Mortal and partly AoC tried)

 

It is not an fps as rounds are not over and you restart with your things, but balancing that thing will be a nightmare anyway. Planetside is a fun fps game, but darkfall probably will try to provide a persistant/interactive world where your actions have consequences instead getting reset after logging out.

 

The game will definitely have its fault and nightmares, but at least they try something different.

rageagainst

Originally posted by SupderD


So, after reading the Noob Reviews I thought I'd post my own insight on a different thread, as both of those threads seem to .. well step away from the OP.
It seems Darkfall is going more and more away from a typical MMORPG with full loot, and more into a persistent FPS, sort of like a continuing CoD4 map, that just doesn't end, but instead of guns, you have swords. 
Then, after reading about "power ups" and "Skills you purchase" it is becoming less and less interesting.
The way I'm seeing Darkfall now is just another PlanetSide, but instead of blasters and guns, you have the swords and spells.  Horses are vehicles and the like.  The biggest difference in actual play is the addition of dropping your 'cool gear' when you die. 
Now, how is this revolutionary?

my worry is that the game is becoming the OPPOSITE, with slug combat and gigantic hitboxes, it's combat may just be Guild Wars without autoaim. What noob reviews are you reading?

Loke666

Originally posted by daarco


Its because the sambox style gameplay. And yes, you have to get the skill in the first place by a trainer to be able to raise it by training.

 

It is not. A sandbox could as well use the system from Oblivion where you raise your skills by using them. The big difference with a sandbox and a theme park are that in a sanbox players both craft most items and that there is no real linear plot, players choose themselves what to do.

You could do many variations with a sandbox styled game.

rageagainst

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by daarco


Its because the sambox style gameplay. And yes, you have to get the skill in the first place by a trainer to be able to raise it by training.

 

It is not. A sandbox could as well use the system from Oblivion where you raise your skills by using them. The big difference with a sandbox and a theme park are that in a sanbox players both craft most items and that there is no real linear plot, players choose themselves what to do.

You could do many variations with a sandbox styled game.

um in DF the best weapons will be player crafted and there's no real linear plot, you can skill up w/e you want.... why is it not sandbox?

Arcken

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Arcken


The only thing I can think of as revolutionary about DFO is their marketing strategy, or lack thereof.

 

Right.  I keep seeing the fanboys say how revolutionary this game is, then they follow it up with a long list of features we have all seen before in other games. 

 

The plural is here of  importance...cause like examined in other thread  Naval Warfare  + Full loot + crafting + land to sea shore combat / shore to sea combat + friendly fire + manual aiming + mounted combat  +  city building /sieging + collision detection + physics  + sandbox + freedom to train every  skill + massive scale battles  is hardly seen in others MMO together in one place.

 You can of course start to pay 3 or 4+ subscriptions to find that all..

 

Keep grasping, thats like saying when they started putting CD players AND TVs in cars that they revolutionized the automobile.

Swing and a miss!

imbant

Another solid thread filled with irony

Blodpls

Originally posted by DarthRaiden 
The plural is here of  importance...cause like examined in other thread  Naval Warfare  + Full loot + crafting + land to sea shore combat / shore to sea combat + friendly fire + manual aiming + mounted combat  +  city building /sieging + collision detection + physics  + sandbox + freedom to train every  skill + massive scale battles  is hardly seen in others MMO together in one place.
 You can of course start to pay 3 or 4+ subscriptions to find that all..

 

That's pretty much it, all of the features have been in other games but bringing them all together in a peristant world has not been seen before.  It's a bit like a pick 'n mix of a lot of good tried and tested game features from across various genre's.

Arcken

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by DarthRaiden 
The plural is here of  importance...cause like examined in other thread  Naval Warfare  + Full loot + crafting + land to sea shore combat / shore to sea combat + friendly fire + manual aiming + mounted combat  +  city building /sieging + collision detection + physics  + sandbox + freedom to train every  skill + massive scale battles  is hardly seen in others MMO together in one place.
 You can of course start to pay 3 or 4+ subscriptions to find that all..

 

That's pretty much it, all of the features have been in other games but bringing them all together in a peristant world has not been seen before.  It's a bit like a pick 'n mix of a lot of good tried and tested game features from across various genre's.

Yeah but calling it revolutionary for putting a bunch of already tried and true concepts into one game? Hardly. 

Just because you were the first to put peanut butter, sardines, and guacamole on a pizza doesnt mean you revolutionized the pizza.

 

Pynda

I believe that - considering the way nearly every MMORPG has been constructed since WoW released - this game should be considered revolutionary. Because it will hopefully be using many RPG gameplay elements again that, for all practical purposes, are dead and buried right now. But no - ideas rarely come forth that are truly 'new'. You could say that da Vinci invented the helicopter in the 15th century, or trace every possible literary plot device back to the ancient Greeks, etc.. But that wouldn't be an entirely fair or accurate way to view all current creations.

As for the FPS elements Darkfall may incorporate, we'll just have to wait and see how smoothly these will play out. I'm an old dude whose reflexes are probably shot, so I am a little worried about it. But I'm still (probably) going to give Darkfall a shot anyway.

corpusc

if all the ingredients in your new recipe tasted good together (imagine using sensible ingredients), and it became popular and started making money,

 

then yes. 

 

all individual elements of EVERYthing in this world already exist. 

its making the new excellent combinations that nobodies done right before that cause revolutions.

that shouldn't be so hard to grasp

Arcken

Originally posted by Pynda


I believe that - considering the way nearly every MMORPG has been constructed since WoW released - this game should be considered revolutionary. Because it will hopefully be using many RPG gameplay elements again that, for all practical purposes, are dead and buried right now. But no - ideas rarely come forth that are truly 'new'. You could say that da Vinci invented the helicopter in the 15th century, or trace every possible literary plot device back to the ancient Greeks, etc.. But that wouldn't be an entirely fair or accurate way to view all current creations.
As for the FPS elements Darkfall may incorporate, we'll just have to wait and see how smoothly these will play out. I'm an old dude whose reflexes are probably shot, so I am a little worried about it. But I'm still (probably) going to give Darkfall a shot anyway.
 

 

I cant believe you compared DFO to something da Vinci created.

DFO is doing exactly what WoW did, take other peoples ideas, smash em together and pawn it off as new.

Arcken

Originally posted by corpusc


if all the ingredients in your new recipe tasted good together (imagine using sensible ingredients), and it became popular and started making money,
 
then yes. 
 
all individual elements of EVERYthing in this world already exist. 
its making the new excellent combinations that nobodies done right before that cause revolutions.
that shouldn't be so hard to grasp

You are talking about a variation on a tried and true platform. Just because you made a sandwich with new ingredients does not mean you revolutionized the whole concept of a sandwich.

 

And when did making money constitute grounds to call it revolutionary? When I think revolutionary I think of things that havent ever been done before.

DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by corpusc


if all the ingredients in your new recipe tasted good together (imagine using sensible ingredients), and it became popular and started making money,
 
then yes. 
 
all individual elements of EVERYthing in this world already exist. 
its making the new excellent combinations that nobodies done right before that cause revolutions.
that shouldn't be so hard to grasp

You are talking about a variation on a tried and true platform. Just because you made a sandwich with new ingredients does not mean you revolutionized the whole concept of a sandwich.

 

And when did making money constitute grounds to call it revolutionary? When I think revolutionary I think of things that havent ever been done before.

 

here is it ..DarkFall hasn't been done before.

All what has been done looks different  then what DarkFall  is. 

Whats left is for it to be successfully to lead into a change of paradigm..

-to be fair i am with you about DF has things invented as entirely new..we will see that ...but what i thinking is DarkFall  as the true   inheritor of MMO genre and hope with DF  real MMO will re-establish and we can get rid of MMO theme-park abortions that took wrongful the MMO title..they hardly earned the word (M)assive(MO)  if they run in instances and you don't have the freedom to run to everywhere and meet with everyone to do everything with an massive amount of people ...