I didn't read any of your post except the OP's because i hate you guys a lot. I played war. I played wow. War is a crappy game. WoW is not a crappy game (but it gets boring).
I wont miss a seconds worth of sleep over this tonight.
WOW isn't crappy at all it's just getting to the point where it's becomeing stale to people that have played it along time.
what can be getting stale...the mindless, pointless, time wasting rep/gear/faction grind ? The same cookie cutter classes for both factions to play ? The same boring dungeon/raid crawls to go through time and time and time again ? How could this carrot on a stick original EQ clone ripoff style of play ever get boring and stale ?
1. Still random people being ported out from inside the fort (NOT ported out trying to enter the fort, but already inside it).
2. Still destro wall hacking/exploiting up the walls.
3. Still no fixed Shining Way/Fell Landing portal.
4. Attackers seem to get a 175 cap while Defenders get 125 or something.. we can't handle those odds with the random booting and exploiting going on.
5. As soon as 2nd fort falls, Reikland crashes AGAIN. No defenders able to make it in, logging in as T1 chickens AGAIN. Expect Altdorf to move to stage 2 shortly while the CSRs futilely reset the pairings.
Med Order/High-Full Destro most of the day. Insurmountable numbers.
Hochland Part 2 coming up, I suppose.
Right now, the Darklands server is bugged. Same thing that was happening to Dark Crag. Order can not zone into Empire Tier 4, we can not fly to Reikwald, Reikland, Praag or Chaos Waste. We can not zone into Reikwald from the other Forts. When trying to zone into empire tier 4, you get kicked to the log in screen. People are getting kicked from our guild as well.
ATM I am currently running to empire tier 4 from tier 3 to see if that works.
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Just to make it clear, NOT JUST ORDER.
A LOT OF US unable to zone in even to reikland to get to altdorft for PQ .!
First was the auto teleport you to warcamp crap. Now this.
Seriously , stop pissing people off. If you DONT want to see another empty server in next month. DO SOMETHING !
The whole end game is fail. I didn't play for 3 days after the fortress cap/fail announcement, but my guild said Altdorf was coming under attack so I logged in...only to try and do this boring unimaginative city siege. Again...you are rewarding people with gear...which makes people avoid PvP. If one side gains a numbers advantage (yes I understand its 48v48, the first one I was in was 48v12), the side with the advantage just spawn camps you...it went both ways for me and neither were fun. Then if you do complete stage 1, the lord NPC for stage 2 spawns right at their spawn camp, so they just rez and rez and rez. We did it to them, they did it us, no one got anywhere. Did not feel epic at all, at no point in time did I care that my city was under attack...because both sides are rewarded with gear. Destro can take altdorf all they want...just means less alts I need to run through Lost Vale for wards.
Originally posted by Greenie Originally posted by warror Wow is a good game. War is a good game. People are addicted to Wow. So addicted that they don't see faults. Similar to when your in love with someone. You think they are perfect even though it might not be the case.
Actually this may be true for some but not all. At least 8 of my guild (about half) have resubbed to WoW, me and a friend have moved on to EvE. Now for the guildies playing WoW, they have spoken to me numerous times about the faults of WoW and their distate for certain areas of the games. They don't like the arena system because they feel it's a toxic system with the quest for the leet gear, but they've found more world pvp just running quests to level up to 80 than they ever found in WAR. Now keep in mind my guildies are all about pvp. They either hate pve or don't mind it too much depending on the situation, but they certainly don't love it. What they have told me is, WoW has way less bugs, the crafting system is better, the unexpected small battle world pvp is more frequent, and the battlegrounds are similar to the scenarios, overall the game is just better designed. We are almost all old daoc players and WAR advertised the daoc RvR feeling even if the mechanics, classes, and story were different. We didn't get it. We got a game that had multiple parts thrown together which aren't fluid and many are just flat out broken. People aren't going back to WoW because they're addicted, but because WAR failed in its core design and to deliver on its promises.
This is a pretty well written post. The fact that it's written by an ex-DAOC player is telling, because this seems to be the general flavor amongst those who extensively PvPed in DAoC and are not happy with Mythic's failure to learn lessons from that game, not necessarily make the SAME game. It also can't be ripped down on merit simply because its written by a "Wowfanboi", which is the argument used so many times to nauseum. Someone can only counter it with "Well, I still like Warhammer because.." not with "Go away troll, you don't know what you are talking about."
It is starting to become evident there are two types of WAR players: DAoC and non-DAoC. The DAoC players by and large (it appears to be about 7 out of 10 with a cursory view) just don't like this game as a WHOLE. It's not that they don't like EVERYTHING, they don't like enough of the KEY things needed to make a great pvp game for them. They find its pretty good and can see what Mythic was trying to achieve (I think) but it falls short because it has many of the same problems that existed for them in DAoC, but FEW of the benefits from it. They also bring a level of expertise because unlike the next group, they have played DAoC, Mythic's best large scale PvP game to date and simply don't think it up to snuff. Most even question aloud if this is the same company that made BOTH games.
The non-DAoC people came from games like GW, Wow's pvp, FPS, F2Ps, and who knows God else where. These folks have NEVER played DAoC, so they have nothing to compare it with other than what they know from other types of Pvp games. So for them, this game is hella sweet. It gives them their first taste of large scale, open combat for the first time (to some extent when not crashing) and a system where you can die without any penalties instituted. Basically, they can just Pvp without care and not have to worry about the more complex issues of a game like DAoC. So this is all they know and they are just fine with it. The average non DAoC Warhammer player simply cannot understand why people don't think this game is the best Pvp out. The average ex-DAoC player knows that this game STILL isn't the best PvP game Mythic has in release and playable right now. This just has updated graphics.
It appears that those that have feasted on much better fare will not tolerate an average buffet chain and unfortunately for Mythic, are voting with their feet. They prefer to openly call Mythic out on what they have done here and should be applauded actually, not passed off as some small fringe minority.
This may change if Mythic can fix the endgame, but that's going to take lots of time and money, two things Mythic does NOT have an abundance of at the moment. And the Level40s are starting to run out of patience.
YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too.
I wouldn't admit this TOO much. It's supposed to be War "all the time and everywhere", not random encounters. This is not a selling point when pushing Warhammer. You may want to rethink these type of endorsements.
This is a pretty well written post. The fact that it's written by an ex-DAOC player is telling, because this seems to be the general flavor amongst those who extensively PvPed in DAoC and are not happy with Mythic's failure to learn lessons from that game, not necessarily make the SAME game. It also can't be ripped down on merit simply because its written by a "Wowfanboi", which is the argument used so many times to nauseum. Someone can only counter it with "Well, I still like Warhammer because.." not with "Go away troll, you don't know what you are talking about."
It is starting to become evident there are two types of WAR players: DAoC and non-DAoC. The DAoC players by and large (it appears to be about 7 out of 10 with a cursory view) just don't like this game as a WHOLE. It's not that they don't like EVERYTHING, they don't like enough of the KEY things needed to make a great pvp game for them. They find its pretty good and can see what Mythic was trying to achieve (I think) but it falls short because it has many of the same problems that existed for them in DAoC, but FEW of the benefits from it. They also bring a level of expertise because unlike the next group, they have played DAoC, Mythic's best large scale PvP game to date and simply don't think it up to snuff. Most even question aloud if this is the same company that made BOTH games.
The non-DAoC people came from games like GW, Wow's pvp, FPS, F2Ps, and who knows God else where. These folks have NEVER played DAoC, so they have nothing to compare it with other than what they know from other types of Pvp games. So for them, this game is hella sweet. It gives them their first taste of large scale, open combat for the first time (to some extent when not crashing) and a system where you can die without any penalties instituted. Basically, they can just Pvp without care and not have to worry about the more complex issues of a game like DAoC. So this is all they know and they are just fine with it. The average non DAoC Warhammer player simply cannot understand why people don't think this game is the best Pvp out. The average ex-DAoC player knows that this game STILL isn't the best PvP game Mythic has in release and playable right now. This just has updated graphics.
It appears that those that have feasted on much better fare will not tolerate an average buffet chain and unfortunately for Mythic, are voting with their feet. They prefer to openly call Mythic out on what they have done here and should be applauded actually, not passed off as some small fringe minority.
This may change if Mythic can fix the endgame, but that's going to take lots of time and money, two things Mythic does NOT have an abundance of at the moment. And the Level40s are starting to run out of patience.
Well, Warhammer fixes what WOW doesn't. No question about it that things like public quests are not the same in wow as warhammer. Additionally, the fact that all classes have multiple categories of usability is a big deal for warhammer. Everyone has some form of aoe, can damage and/or heal, etc. However, everyone I had talked to when I played basically said it didn't fix everything that DAOC did, and some people said WAR just reignited their desire for DAOC back before it was "broken" (TOA).
However, the game is a bit of a performance hog (somewhat), and the endgame is indeed bad. Once you hit level 30ish, it just kinda goes downhill as you realize that server balance becomes a big deal. The RVR needs a bit of work and open RVR as well...people are cherry picking what they want to do for now.
The "every class is fun" aspects of warhammer though are very clearly there. Things aren't reproduced between classes like wow's generic-ness of classes, and it has a lot of ideas wow doesn't (things that hurt you if you move, long range aoe bomb equivalents, etc).
For now, I'm back to EVE, unless warhammer manages to totally reinvent itself again (sad, isn't it). I do not plan on going back to WOW ever, I: don't need another year of endless grinding.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all. No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
I agree with you the classes in warhammer are very nice. I love the ones I have played. WE, WH, SM, Shaman, Chosen, SW so far. SHaman and Chosen actually being my favorite. Only one class in WoW ever appealed to me and that was the druid.
I disagree with you on the unexpected encounters happening in WaR, I have taken destro toons on Dark Crag into talabecland Order side for hours and only found 3 Order to fight.
I have also taken my SW on Badlands server into Averlorn and searched every destro area of the map and you know what I found? The only action was at Ghrond's and the path to the Well in Saphery.
These two servers are two of the higher pop servers and I can well over an hour searching for people in their pq's , their warcamps and not find them,,, whY? Because they're all at the main keep of a zone or in scenarios. They're not roaming the world looking for a fight, they're going to only one of the two places they can find one and find it quick. They're is no unexpectedness to conflict in WaR,, there almost always was in DaoC.
Yes there are plenty of character choices as well in WAR, but where you see that as a benefit I see that as a flaw with Mythic. Introduction of new classes before fixing old one's helped kill DaoC and in time they'll do the same to WaR. Heck, I even played a tier 4 WE and I can tell you there is no way I should have solo'd a lvl 38 WH (I was 32) that popped on my when I logged on, but I did.
Bainshees, Vamps, Warlocks, Animists all tilted the balance in DaoC and were poorly designed and poorly implemented classes that should never have been put into the game. Why do you think so many people are waiting for Origins to happen? Why do you think Mythic hasn't announced anything about Origins in months? Because many of the daoc playerbase will at least try it out again and try to recapture the feeling of what true RvR and teamwork was about. That will siginificantly hurt WaR, especially considering many friends made in WaR that hadn't tried DaoC will at least jump ship with their friends to see what all the hubbub is about.
It also can't be ripped down on merit simply because its written by a "Wowfanboi", which is the argument used so many times to nauseum.
the fact that all classes have multiple categories of usability is a big deal for warhammer. Everyone has some form of aoe, can damage and/or heal, etc.
The "every class is fun" aspects of warhammer though are very clearly there. Things aren't reproduced between classes like wow's generic-ness of classes, and it has a lot of ideas wow doesn't (things that hurt you if you move, long range aoe bomb equivalents, etc).
For now, I'm back to EVE, unless warhammer manages to totally reinvent itself again (sad, isn't it). I do not plan on going back to WOW ever, I: don't need another year of endless grinding.
Popinjay,
You are right I played DaoC for 4 years around, I played WoW for two weeks. It was candyland and personally I'll quit gaming before I try it again.
I've tried Lineage 2, CoH/CoV, SWG and none of them appealed to me either. The game mechanics were not the same and it seems as if developers have bought into artistic fluff over game performance. Sure alot of these games look pretty, but the pace of the fight, the tactics used and the unpredictability of fights in daoc was the best.
Darkraptor,
WoW did fix server stability which WaR hasn't. Many players still get CTD in WaR, I haven't heard that complaint from my friends playing WoW or EvE for that matter.
The fact that every class has an aoe, cc, attack, or defensive ability may make the game fun for the average joe, extremely casual, or newbie to mmo's may be good to you, to me it makes it play like a console game. Scenarios make it play like a console game. Hell there is no teamwork needed in a game like this, just lots of heals and lots of dps. That's all it takes to win. Not strategy or knowing who you're fighting and how to beat them. In DaoC guilds were recognized and you could find ways to beat their setup, you'd get to know their travel routes, how they play and that was the chess game of daoc RvR,, WaR is just a glorified checkers.
I could even argue that BECAUSE every class has an aoe, cc, attack, buff,debuff that none of them have any originality other than the race or spell graphics an in fact makes each class generic.
I agree with the op in general. My WAR guild just lost one player who came back to WoW. He was really into the game and was quite sick of WoW for a long time(/1) but he came from an estabilished WoW guild and after a few months waiting he gave up trying to get his guildies to even try the game. He was really bitter about it and I think he'll leave MMOs altogether - that or manage to fight off the peer pressure he is under... The gravity WoW has is frightening - players staying there will try to suck back in everybody who tries to leave. Old leet timers will not allow their "accomplishments" to dwindle away - they have too much ego invested in it. New games present a new playing field. For some people leaving WoW would mean the confirmation of a feeling they tried to suppress all along - that they did waste 4 years of their life on collecting pixels. They will never admit it - for them WoW (and some other MMOs tbf) is much much more than just a game and they will go to any lengths in order to protect their "investment". MMOs as a game genre are quite special in this regard. In most other genres when a new game comes out you'll play it, especially if its better than old one... MMOs have this staying power (which they need to have due to their revenue model) which is really destructive to the advancement of the genre - new games have to contend with much much more than mere competition on the level of quality. /1 Not bashing WoW here - it is quite normal you get a bit jaded with a game, any game, after playing it for 4 years... In fact I'd argue that it is not normal to be content with the same old product for 4 years and to the level that you reject any other experience out of hand. That's quite specific to MMO genre - and I'm really getting worried that this fanaticism-breeding quality that they have is quite unhealthy.
Both the above post and the OP bring up excellent points I had not considered before. Very insightful and helps explain to me why some wow players act the way they do. +1
Also I think it's pretty funny reading some of the other posts here. A lot of them seem to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the op's original statement. I think some people see WAR is amazing and copy and paste their kneejerk negativity without even reading the OP post all the way through.
Markaros is the Disney woman I spoke about earlier.
She thought luring in the "bored" Wow player could be a real succes. That's why they always talk about Wow. Problem is that it backfires... always.
If you talk into game experiences of War and tell tales like "I flew to X on my heli" to help my guildie, you don't expect to imagine this. it has to happen - like in Wow.
If you DO attack a fortress, it has to have broken walls, collapsable buildings, mobile siege engines, manned combat tanks, WoW has them ... in War you knock on a door...
Now of course its the players fault. they are too conservative. Just like it was the players fault when War wasn't "played correctly".
If War was WAY better than Wow, it would have gained a good portion of its player base (perhaps even 1 million). They DID have 750/800 K "users" to try it in Sep 2008, hence the full servers. But ...
It didn't happen, not because it is the fault of the players, but because you can't beat the orginal succeful MMORPG with its own elements (BG's, PVE, Raids, Crafting, ...).
The OP forgot to mention Wow was already a BMW and its latest model reads - copyright Nov 2008 -.
Thanks for the personal attack and generalization I've grown to expect from you popinjay. You really like twisting words don't you? "Disney woman" indeed...
You failed to comprehend my point a while back and now you still pull your misconstruction out of the hat whenever it suits you. And if you think that WoW is "the BMW of mmos, copyright Nov 2008." then it is your right - I won't argue. It's just that you're so tiresome with the constant exaltation of WoW... really really tiresome..
I dont post this to bash WoW players. I played WoW for 4 yrs, so i know what the game has to offer. After reading the forums here, and also in-game comments, I have noticed a similarity in most negative feedback. People are compairing WAR to WoW. To be honest, I have no problem with that. If you think WoW handled something better than WAR, voice your thoughts. But it seems that a lot of negative feedback comes from people that just want to justify to themselves the reason they play WoW, by trying to find every negative thing in every other game. Its kinda like if your parents bought you a brand new BMW, and you started complaining about how the heater gets to hot. Its not that you dont like the BMW, its that you have been driving your shitty 88 Nissan pick-up for 5 yrs and you have grown accustom to it. If you ask me, WoW is a fun game that anyone can pick up and easily play, but it doesnt really offer anything anymore. The only reason I feel people play it over other games, is that EVERYONE is already playing it. Why try to move all your friends over to another game, when they are already playing WoW? Just my 2-cents.
I don't think its the case really. A lot of people tried it like me and left before the end of one month. It was the game I was waiting for, for at least 1 year but it just didn't do it for me. Nearly every one of my friends tried this game but only 1 just stuck it out and enjoying it a lot. The rest of us migrated back to old games or started on other new ones.
Thanks for the personal attack and generalization I've grown to expect from you popinjay. You really like twisting words don't you? "Disney woman" indeed...
Let me guess...
You saw my name somewhere in those quotes, saw that I "attacked" you with a "Disney woman" tag, and couldn't WAIT to respond... right?
I really should stop accusing Warhammer fans of seeing what they want to see despite all evidence of things showing otherwise and jumping to conclusions, because they clealy don't do that at all.
Originally posted by bodypass
Markaros is the Disney woman I spoke about earlier..........
............She thought luring in the "bored" Wow player could be a real succes. That's why they always talk about Wow. Problem is that it backfires... always.
The OP forgot to mention Wow was already a BMW and its latest model reads - copyright Nov 2008 -.
Or could it be that they don't like WAR? Scary....
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
Or could it be that they don't like WAR? Scary....
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
The WAR forums are certainly popular enough for people like you.
Or could it be that they don't like WAR? Scary....
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
The WAR forums are certainly popular enough for people like you.
Thats because the forums provide better entertainment than the game and I dont have to pay for it
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
"Yep he played Wow for 2 years" -- News to me. Also, if you read my post I think I am clear on what was the end of wow for me. Read it again, and I think you might understand how they did something that caused me to not want to play ever again.
"10 classes in Wow" How long has there been 10 classes in wow ? because I quit shortly after BC came out ? So I ask again, how long has the game been out and thinking on around when I quit how many classes were there ? Now take all that information and come to a conclusion on why I said the number of classes I did.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Please show me where I played wow for 2 years ? I DID NOT buy wow upon release, I bought it because friends wanted me to play with them and I was a big WC RTS fan. I played on and off, cancelling and resubbing more then once. And the whole time wow was a second MMO.
Also, show me where I stated I hated wow that whole time I played. I always had issues with parts of wow, like the MC raids. But in time, I found the things I disliked adding up -- Not all at once, but over time -- The dismantling of world pvp, paladins to the horde, the arena system , the rep/gear grind-- all this added up, causing me to finally decide the game was not worth the time or money, when it wasnt even my main MMO I was playing. The early appeal to me was the game was casual and the chance to play with my friends -- but as a raider like you knows, not much is casual about spending your weekends in MC -- it is boring as hell and a horrible time sink.
Or could it be that they don't like WAR? Scary....
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
The WAR forums are certainly popular enough for people like you.
Thats because the forums provide better entertainment than the game and I dont have to pay for it
So, what game are you playing ? Because apparently the WAR forums are far more entertaining than that as well.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
"Yep he played Wow for 2 years" -- News to me. Also, if you read my post I think I am clear on what was the end of wow for me. Read it again, and I think you might understand how they did something that caused me to not want to play ever again.
"10 classes in Wow" How long has there been 10 classes in wow ? because I quit shortly after BC came out ? So I ask again, how long has the game been out and thinking on around when I quit how many classes were there ? Now take all that information and come to a conclusion on why I said the number of classes I did.
You said you been playing back in the days before BGs (patch 1.5, 07/06/2005), and you also said that you stopped playing when Horde got paladins (at release of Burning crusade, 16/01/2007). So assuming you spent a few months leveling your pally before patch 1.5 you played WoW for 2 years (is it still news to you or do you need further explanation? or where you just making it up to back your arguments?). So again, it says something about you since you payed to play a game you hate so much for 2 years. Is it something you do often or was WoW a special case?
YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too.
I wouldn't admit this TOO much. It's supposed to be War "all the time and everywhere", not random encounters. This is not a selling point when pushing Warhammer. You may want to rethink these type of endorsements.
the fact WAR has random encounter PVP, RVR, scenarios, roaming warbands, sieges, etc etc is not a seliing point ?
You take something I said and quote it and spin it and take it out of context and try and make it look like something it wasnt. The fact you only quote one sentence and leave out the rest of what I said and also neglect to mention it was in regards to proving a point that WAR, just like wow (or any other PVP mmo) has random encounter PVP as well as all the other PVP it offers is not a negative. -- Since you played WAR, you know it is a pvp game, with open rvr servers and many different types of pvp available to its players. My post was a reply to a specific point someone made about wow random encounter pvp -- follow the chain of posts and it is clear you are intentionally selecting one sentence of my reply to someone and trying to mislead people here.
So dont try and make it look like the pvp in WAR is random encounters and dont try and make it look like I said that is all the pvp it offers. We all know you are a silly boy and try to grasp at straws to make a point, but when you make posts like this it just smells of pure desperation.
I know you were on saying you were waiting on DF recently -- Lets talk about that -- It comes out the 22nd right ? How are you going to buy it, will Best Buy be selling it ?
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
"Yep he played Wow for 2 years" -- News to me. Also, if you read my post I think I am clear on what was the end of wow for me. Read it again, and I think you might understand how they did something that caused me to not want to play ever again.
"10 classes in Wow" How long has there been 10 classes in wow ? because I quit shortly after BC came out ? So I ask again, how long has the game been out and thinking on around when I quit how many classes were there ? Now take all that information and come to a conclusion on why I said the number of classes I did.
You said you been playing back in the days before BGs (patch 1.5, 07/06/2005), and you also said that you stopped playing when Horde got paladins (at release of Burning crusade, 16/01/2007). So assuming you spent a few months leveling your pally before patch 1.5 you played WoW for 2 years (is it still news to you or do you need further explanation? or where you just making it up to back your arguments?). So again, it says something about you since you payed to play a game you hate so much for 2 years. Is it something you do often or was WoW a special case?
re-read my post and if you cant understand then just dont reply. I was very, very clear about alot of things. And just to say again you are quoting me on things like exact time frames I played when I never gave EXACT time frames and you are failing to understand things like I played because my friends wanted to play with me and I played it as a second MMO, and I quit and resubbed more then once. Seriosuly re-read what I wrote. Reading comprehension classes may be in order for you.
Wife and I left WAR because we wanted a new and better DAOC world not just this offering by Mythic. I was disappointed to me the world felt dead. I expected a world and got another themepark. So we left and played nothing for a few months until we returned to WOW a couple weeks ago. It runs smooth even on her outdated computer, we have friends there and for now it will do until something comes out I can enjoy playing.
"10 classes in Wow" How long has there been 10 classes in wow ? because I quit shortly after BC came out ? So I ask again, how long has the game been out and thinking on around when I quit how many classes were there ? Now take all that information and come to a conclusion on why I said the number of classes I did.
Wow was released in Novemeber 2004. The Burning Crusade expansion was released in January 2007. It is now January 2009.
If you played Wow for two years then quit "shortly after TBC came out", you were probably playing Wow for over half of it's lifespan so far before you realized it was sappy gameplay and kiddie fare and 'quit'.
I hate to tell you, but that's about the natural time progression the AVERAGE gamer plays MMOs before they begin to get bored. The "Legend of Tyvolus1" is not unique. You were a typical Wow player while you played, you were not any different than people who play Wow today, as much as you'd like to think you were a more enlightened while doing it. If this were true, you'd have recognized it was kiddie trash and quit long before two years had passed.
Cmon Ty, you can admit it..... You played Wow, you liked Wow and you eventually got bored of Wow. There's no shame in admitting that, son. It's called honesty. You remind me of that one preacher who had experiences with an "alternative lifestyle" and liked it, but later went all crazy conservative evangelical on everyone who openly says they enjoy it, because he feared people would found out. Just say it was fun, but I outgrew it. People say it all the time. I outgrew Wow, but it was definitely fun while I played it... I just got tired of it and the Barren's Chat channel.
Trying to make smoke screens after the fact is really sad.
Originally posted by Tyvolus1 Originally posted by popinjay
YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too.
I wouldn't admit this TOO much. It's supposed to be War "all the time and everywhere", not random encounters. This is not a selling point when pushing Warhammer. You may want to rethink these type of endorsements.
the fact WAR has random encounter PVP, RVR, scenarios, roaming warbands, sieges, etc etc is not a seliing point ? You take something I said and quote it and spin it and take it out of context and try and make it look like something it wasnt. The fact you only quote one sentence and leave out the rest of what I said and also neglect to mention it was in regards to proving a point that WAR, just like wow (or any other PVP mmo) has random encounter PVP as well as all the other PVP it offers is not a negative. -- Since you played WAR, you know it is a pvp game, with open rvr servers and many different types of pvp available to its players. My post was a reply to a specific point someone made about wow random encounter pvp -- follow the chain of posts and it is clear you are intentionally selecting one sentence of my reply to someone and trying to mislead people here.
So dont try and make it look like the pvp in WAR is random encounters and dont try and make it look like I said that is all the pvp it offers. We all know you are a silly boy and try to grasp at straws to make a point, but when you make posts like this it just smells of pure desperation. I know you were on saying you were waiting on DF recently -- Lets talk about that -- It comes out the 22nd right ? How are you going to buy it, will Best Buy be selling it ?
Again, accusing someone of "spinning" quotes you actually say. Amazing.
Let me try to put them together, so you can have perspective. First you say this to someone who talks about random encounters in Wow:
Originally posted by Tyvolus1 YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too.
And now you say:
Originally posted by Tyvolus1 So dont try and make it look like the pvp in WAR is random encounters and dont try and make it look like I said that is all the pvp it offers.
When I said this (Regarding YOUR quote about RANDOM encounters in WAR):
Originally posted by Tyvolus1 I wouldn't admit this TOO much. It's supposed to be War "all the time and everywhere", not random encounters. This is not a selling point when pushing Warhammer. You may want to rethink these type of endorsements.
You really are a conspiracy laden guy, aren't you?
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I wont miss a seconds worth of sleep over this tonight.
what can be getting stale...the mindless, pointless, time wasting rep/gear/faction grind ? The same cookie cutter classes for both factions to play ? The same boring dungeon/raid crawls to go through time and time and time again ? How could this carrot on a stick original EQ clone ripoff style of play ever get boring and stale ?
You're absolutely right,
This is much more exhilirating(sp? lol):
Dark Crag
1. Still random people being ported out from inside the fort (NOT ported out trying to enter the fort, but already inside it).
2. Still destro wall hacking/exploiting up the walls.
3. Still no fixed Shining Way/Fell Landing portal.
4. Attackers seem to get a 175 cap while Defenders get 125 or something.. we can't handle those odds with the random booting and exploiting going on.
5. As soon as 2nd fort falls, Reikland crashes AGAIN. No defenders able to make it in, logging in as T1 chickens AGAIN. Expect Altdorf to move to stage 2 shortly while the CSRs futilely reset the pairings.
Med Order/High-Full Destro most of the day. Insurmountable numbers.
Hochland Part 2 coming up, I suppose.
Right now, the Darklands server is bugged. Same thing that was happening to Dark Crag. Order can not zone into Empire Tier 4, we can not fly to Reikwald, Reikland, Praag or Chaos Waste. We can not zone into Reikwald from the other Forts. When trying to zone into empire tier 4, you get kicked to the log in screen. People are getting kicked from our guild as well.
ATM I am currently running to empire tier 4 from tier 3 to see if that works.
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Just to make it clear, NOT JUST ORDER.
A LOT OF US unable to zone in even to reikland to get to altdorft for PQ .!
First was the auto teleport you to warcamp crap. Now this.
Seriously , stop pissing people off. If you DONT want to see another empty server in next month. DO SOMETHING !
The whole end game is fail. I didn't play for 3 days after the fortress cap/fail announcement, but my guild said Altdorf was coming under attack so I logged in...only to try and do this boring unimaginative city siege. Again...you are rewarding people with gear...which makes people avoid PvP. If one side gains a numbers advantage (yes I understand its 48v48, the first one I was in was 48v12), the side with the advantage just spawn camps you...it went both ways for me and neither were fun. Then if you do complete stage 1, the lord NPC for stage 2 spawns right at their spawn camp, so they just rez and rez and rez. We did it to them, they did it us, no one got anywhere. Did not feel epic at all, at no point in time did I care that my city was under attack...because both sides are rewarded with gear. Destro can take altdorf all they want...just means less alts I need to run through Lost Vale for wards.
Actually this may be true for some but not all. At least 8 of my guild (about half) have resubbed to WoW, me and a friend have moved on to EvE.
Now for the guildies playing WoW, they have spoken to me numerous times about the faults of WoW and their distate for certain areas of the games. They don't like the arena system because they feel it's a toxic system with the quest for the leet gear, but they've found more world pvp just running quests to level up to 80 than they ever found in WAR. Now keep in mind my guildies are all about pvp. They either hate pve or don't mind it too much depending on the situation, but they certainly don't love it.
What they have told me is, WoW has way less bugs, the crafting system is better, the unexpected small battle world pvp is more frequent, and the battlegrounds are similar to the scenarios, overall the game is just better designed.
We are almost all old daoc players and WAR advertised the daoc RvR feeling even if the mechanics, classes, and story were different. We didn't get it. We got a game that had multiple parts thrown together which aren't fluid and many are just flat out broken. People aren't going back to WoW because they're addicted, but because WAR failed in its core design and to deliver on its promises.
This is a pretty well written post. The fact that it's written by an ex-DAOC player is telling, because this seems to be the general flavor amongst those who extensively PvPed in DAoC and are not happy with Mythic's failure to learn lessons from that game, not necessarily make the SAME game. It also can't be ripped down on merit simply because its written by a "Wowfanboi", which is the argument used so many times to nauseum. Someone can only counter it with "Well, I still like Warhammer because.." not with "Go away troll, you don't know what you are talking about."
It is starting to become evident there are two types of WAR players: DAoC and non-DAoC. The DAoC players by and large (it appears to be about 7 out of 10 with a cursory view) just don't like this game as a WHOLE. It's not that they don't like EVERYTHING, they don't like enough of the KEY things needed to make a great pvp game for them. They find its pretty good and can see what Mythic was trying to achieve (I think) but it falls short because it has many of the same problems that existed for them in DAoC, but FEW of the benefits from it. They also bring a level of expertise because unlike the next group, they have played DAoC, Mythic's best large scale PvP game to date and simply don't think it up to snuff. Most even question aloud if this is the same company that made BOTH games.
The non-DAoC people came from games like GW, Wow's pvp, FPS, F2Ps, and who knows God else where. These folks have NEVER played DAoC, so they have nothing to compare it with other than what they know from other types of Pvp games. So for them, this game is hella sweet. It gives them their first taste of large scale, open combat for the first time (to some extent when not crashing) and a system where you can die without any penalties instituted. Basically, they can just Pvp without care and not have to worry about the more complex issues of a game like DAoC. So this is all they know and they are just fine with it. The average non DAoC Warhammer player simply cannot understand why people don't think this game is the best Pvp out. The average ex-DAoC player knows that this game STILL isn't the best PvP game Mythic has in release and playable right now. This just has updated graphics.
It appears that those that have feasted on much better fare will not tolerate an average buffet chain and unfortunately for Mythic, are voting with their feet. They prefer to openly call Mythic out on what they have done here and should be applauded actually, not passed off as some small fringe minority.
This may change if Mythic can fix the endgame, but that's going to take lots of time and money, two things Mythic does NOT have an abundance of at the moment. And the Level40s are starting to run out of patience.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I wouldn't admit this TOO much. It's supposed to be War "all the time and everywhere", not random encounters. This is not a selling point when pushing Warhammer. You may want to rethink these type of endorsements.
"TO MICHAEL!"
This is a pretty well written post. The fact that it's written by an ex-DAOC player is telling, because this seems to be the general flavor amongst those who extensively PvPed in DAoC and are not happy with Mythic's failure to learn lessons from that game, not necessarily make the SAME game. It also can't be ripped down on merit simply because its written by a "Wowfanboi", which is the argument used so many times to nauseum. Someone can only counter it with "Well, I still like Warhammer because.." not with "Go away troll, you don't know what you are talking about."
It is starting to become evident there are two types of WAR players: DAoC and non-DAoC. The DAoC players by and large (it appears to be about 7 out of 10 with a cursory view) just don't like this game as a WHOLE. It's not that they don't like EVERYTHING, they don't like enough of the KEY things needed to make a great pvp game for them. They find its pretty good and can see what Mythic was trying to achieve (I think) but it falls short because it has many of the same problems that existed for them in DAoC, but FEW of the benefits from it. They also bring a level of expertise because unlike the next group, they have played DAoC, Mythic's best large scale PvP game to date and simply don't think it up to snuff. Most even question aloud if this is the same company that made BOTH games.
The non-DAoC people came from games like GW, Wow's pvp, FPS, F2Ps, and who knows God else where. These folks have NEVER played DAoC, so they have nothing to compare it with other than what they know from other types of Pvp games. So for them, this game is hella sweet. It gives them their first taste of large scale, open combat for the first time (to some extent when not crashing) and a system where you can die without any penalties instituted. Basically, they can just Pvp without care and not have to worry about the more complex issues of a game like DAoC. So this is all they know and they are just fine with it. The average non DAoC Warhammer player simply cannot understand why people don't think this game is the best Pvp out. The average ex-DAoC player knows that this game STILL isn't the best PvP game Mythic has in release and playable right now. This just has updated graphics.
It appears that those that have feasted on much better fare will not tolerate an average buffet chain and unfortunately for Mythic, are voting with their feet. They prefer to openly call Mythic out on what they have done here and should be applauded actually, not passed off as some small fringe minority.
This may change if Mythic can fix the endgame, but that's going to take lots of time and money, two things Mythic does NOT have an abundance of at the moment. And the Level40s are starting to run out of patience.
Well, Warhammer fixes what WOW doesn't. No question about it that things like public quests are not the same in wow as warhammer. Additionally, the fact that all classes have multiple categories of usability is a big deal for warhammer. Everyone has some form of aoe, can damage and/or heal, etc. However, everyone I had talked to when I played basically said it didn't fix everything that DAOC did, and some people said WAR just reignited their desire for DAOC back before it was "broken" (TOA).
However, the game is a bit of a performance hog (somewhat), and the endgame is indeed bad. Once you hit level 30ish, it just kinda goes downhill as you realize that server balance becomes a big deal. The RVR needs a bit of work and open RVR as well...people are cherry picking what they want to do for now.
The "every class is fun" aspects of warhammer though are very clearly there. Things aren't reproduced between classes like wow's generic-ness of classes, and it has a lot of ideas wow doesn't (things that hurt you if you move, long range aoe bomb equivalents, etc).
For now, I'm back to EVE, unless warhammer manages to totally reinvent itself again (sad, isn't it). I do not plan on going back to WOW ever, I: don't need another year of endless grinding.
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I agree with you the classes in warhammer are very nice. I love the ones I have played. WE, WH, SM, Shaman, Chosen, SW so far. SHaman and Chosen actually being my favorite. Only one class in WoW ever appealed to me and that was the druid.
I disagree with you on the unexpected encounters happening in WaR, I have taken destro toons on Dark Crag into talabecland Order side for hours and only found 3 Order to fight.
I have also taken my SW on Badlands server into Averlorn and searched every destro area of the map and you know what I found? The only action was at Ghrond's and the path to the Well in Saphery.
These two servers are two of the higher pop servers and I can well over an hour searching for people in their pq's , their warcamps and not find them,,, whY? Because they're all at the main keep of a zone or in scenarios. They're not roaming the world looking for a fight, they're going to only one of the two places they can find one and find it quick. They're is no unexpectedness to conflict in WaR,, there almost always was in DaoC.
Yes there are plenty of character choices as well in WAR, but where you see that as a benefit I see that as a flaw with Mythic. Introduction of new classes before fixing old one's helped kill DaoC and in time they'll do the same to WaR. Heck, I even played a tier 4 WE and I can tell you there is no way I should have solo'd a lvl 38 WH (I was 32) that popped on my when I logged on, but I did.
Bainshees, Vamps, Warlocks, Animists all tilted the balance in DaoC and were poorly designed and poorly implemented classes that should never have been put into the game. Why do you think so many people are waiting for Origins to happen? Why do you think Mythic hasn't announced anything about Origins in months? Because many of the daoc playerbase will at least try it out again and try to recapture the feeling of what true RvR and teamwork was about. That will siginificantly hurt WaR, especially considering many friends made in WaR that hadn't tried DaoC will at least jump ship with their friends to see what all the hubbub is about.
the fact that all classes have multiple categories of usability is a big deal for warhammer. Everyone has some form of aoe, can damage and/or heal, etc.
The "every class is fun" aspects of warhammer though are very clearly there. Things aren't reproduced between classes like wow's generic-ness of classes, and it has a lot of ideas wow doesn't (things that hurt you if you move, long range aoe bomb equivalents, etc).
For now, I'm back to EVE, unless warhammer manages to totally reinvent itself again (sad, isn't it). I do not plan on going back to WOW ever, I: don't need another year of endless grinding.
Popinjay,
You are right I played DaoC for 4 years around, I played WoW for two weeks. It was candyland and personally I'll quit gaming before I try it again.
I've tried Lineage 2, CoH/CoV, SWG and none of them appealed to me either. The game mechanics were not the same and it seems as if developers have bought into artistic fluff over game performance. Sure alot of these games look pretty, but the pace of the fight, the tactics used and the unpredictability of fights in daoc was the best.
Darkraptor,
WoW did fix server stability which WaR hasn't. Many players still get CTD in WaR, I haven't heard that complaint from my friends playing WoW or EvE for that matter.
The fact that every class has an aoe, cc, attack, or defensive ability may make the game fun for the average joe, extremely casual, or newbie to mmo's may be good to you, to me it makes it play like a console game. Scenarios make it play like a console game. Hell there is no teamwork needed in a game like this, just lots of heals and lots of dps. That's all it takes to win. Not strategy or knowing who you're fighting and how to beat them. In DaoC guilds were recognized and you could find ways to beat their setup, you'd get to know their travel routes, how they play and that was the chess game of daoc RvR,, WaR is just a glorified checkers.
I could even argue that BECAUSE every class has an aoe, cc, attack, buff,debuff that none of them have any originality other than the race or spell graphics an in fact makes each class generic.
Both the above post and the OP bring up excellent points I had not considered before. Very insightful and helps explain to me why some wow players act the way they do. +1
Also I think it's pretty funny reading some of the other posts here. A lot of them seem to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the op's original statement. I think some people see WAR is amazing and copy and paste their kneejerk negativity without even reading the OP post all the way through.
Markaros is the Disney woman I spoke about earlier.
She thought luring in the "bored" Wow player could be a real succes. That's why they always talk about Wow. Problem is that it backfires... always.
If you talk into game experiences of War and tell tales like "I flew to X on my heli" to help my guildie, you don't expect to imagine this. it has to happen - like in Wow.
If you DO attack a fortress, it has to have broken walls, collapsable buildings, mobile siege engines, manned combat tanks, WoW has them ... in War you knock on a door...
Now of course its the players fault. they are too conservative. Just like it was the players fault when War wasn't "played correctly".
If War was WAY better than Wow, it would have gained a good portion of its player base (perhaps even 1 million). They DID have 750/800 K "users" to try it in Sep 2008, hence the full servers. But ...
It didn't happen, not because it is the fault of the players, but because you can't beat the orginal succeful MMORPG with its own elements (BG's, PVE, Raids, Crafting, ...).
The OP forgot to mention Wow was already a BMW and its latest model reads - copyright Nov 2008 -.
Thanks for the personal attack and generalization I've grown to expect from you popinjay. You really like twisting words don't you? "Disney woman" indeed...
You failed to comprehend my point a while back and now you still pull your misconstruction out of the hat whenever it suits you. And if you think that WoW is "the BMW of mmos, copyright Nov 2008." then it is your right - I won't argue. It's just that you're so tiresome with the constant exaltation of WoW... really really tiresome..
I don't think its the case really. A lot of people tried it like me and left before the end of one month. It was the game I was waiting for, for at least 1 year but it just didn't do it for me. Nearly every one of my friends tried this game but only 1 just stuck it out and enjoying it a lot. The rest of us migrated back to old games or started on other new ones.
Let me guess...
You saw my name somewhere in those quotes, saw that I "attacked" you with a "Disney woman" tag, and couldn't WAIT to respond... right?
I really should stop accusing Warhammer fans of seeing what they want to see despite all evidence of things showing otherwise and jumping to conclusions, because they clealy don't do that at all.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
The WAR forums are certainly popular enough for people like you.
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
The WAR forums are certainly popular enough for people like you.
Thats because the forums provide better entertainment than the game and I dont have to pay for it
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
"Yep he played Wow for 2 years" -- News to me. Also, if you read my post I think I am clear on what was the end of wow for me. Read it again, and I think you might understand how they did something that caused me to not want to play ever again.
"10 classes in Wow" How long has there been 10 classes in wow ? because I quit shortly after BC came out ? So I ask again, how long has the game been out and thinking on around when I quit how many classes were there ? Now take all that information and come to a conclusion on why I said the number of classes I did.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Please show me where I played wow for 2 years ? I DID NOT buy wow upon release, I bought it because friends wanted me to play with them and I was a big WC RTS fan. I played on and off, cancelling and resubbing more then once. And the whole time wow was a second MMO.
Also, show me where I stated I hated wow that whole time I played. I always had issues with parts of wow, like the MC raids. But in time, I found the things I disliked adding up -- Not all at once, but over time -- The dismantling of world pvp, paladins to the horde, the arena system , the rep/gear grind-- all this added up, causing me to finally decide the game was not worth the time or money, when it wasnt even my main MMO I was playing. The early appeal to me was the game was casual and the chance to play with my friends -- but as a raider like you knows, not much is casual about spending your weekends in MC -- it is boring as hell and a horrible time sink.
Hope this clears things up for you.
Yeah I know its funny isnt it. Every now and again we see some weak post popping up trying to convince everyone that despite its lack of popularity WAR is in fact a great game. We saw all of these posts for Vanguard too in which everyone said how good it was and how it was a shame that not many people were playing it.
And then of course they naturally turn to WoW and blame it for the lack of success for these other boring mmos, completely failing to realise that until a game does something new then people will always continue to play WoW. I'm not even a big fan of WoW and yet even I have turned to playing it recently because it offers everything all the other games do except it does it all better. Yeah sure its a pretty dull game but the sad fact is that its still better than all the competition......and yeah that includes shitty old Warhammer Online which is just a pale clone of WoW. Deny it all you like.
People will continue to play WoW in favour of everything else until something decent comes along and so far there isnt anything else worth playing. Its as simple as that. Its not because people are "stupid" or "cannot break free from whats comfortable". Its simply because they are sticking with the better product. Its not rocket science.
The WAR forums are certainly popular enough for people like you.
Thats because the forums provide better entertainment than the game and I dont have to pay for it
So, what game are you playing ? Because apparently the WAR forums are far more entertaining than that as well.
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
"Yep he played Wow for 2 years" -- News to me. Also, if you read my post I think I am clear on what was the end of wow for me. Read it again, and I think you might understand how they did something that caused me to not want to play ever again.
"10 classes in Wow" How long has there been 10 classes in wow ? because I quit shortly after BC came out ? So I ask again, how long has the game been out and thinking on around when I quit how many classes were there ? Now take all that information and come to a conclusion on why I said the number of classes I did.
You said you been playing back in the days before BGs (patch 1.5, 07/06/2005), and you also said that you stopped playing when Horde got paladins (at release of Burning crusade, 16/01/2007). So assuming you spent a few months leveling your pally before patch 1.5 you played WoW for 2 years (is it still news to you or do you need further explanation? or where you just making it up to back your arguments?). So again, it says something about you since you payed to play a game you hate so much for 2 years. Is it something you do often or was WoW a special case?
I wouldn't admit this TOO much. It's supposed to be War "all the time and everywhere", not random encounters. This is not a selling point when pushing Warhammer. You may want to rethink these type of endorsements.
the fact WAR has random encounter PVP, RVR, scenarios, roaming warbands, sieges, etc etc is not a seliing point ?
You take something I said and quote it and spin it and take it out of context and try and make it look like something it wasnt. The fact you only quote one sentence and leave out the rest of what I said and also neglect to mention it was in regards to proving a point that WAR, just like wow (or any other PVP mmo) has random encounter PVP as well as all the other PVP it offers is not a negative. -- Since you played WAR, you know it is a pvp game, with open rvr servers and many different types of pvp available to its players. My post was a reply to a specific point someone made about wow random encounter pvp -- follow the chain of posts and it is clear you are intentionally selecting one sentence of my reply to someone and trying to mislead people here.
So dont try and make it look like the pvp in WAR is random encounters and dont try and make it look like I said that is all the pvp it offers. We all know you are a silly boy and try to grasp at straws to make a point, but when you make posts like this it just smells of pure desperation.
I know you were on saying you were waiting on DF recently -- Lets talk about that -- It comes out the 22nd right ? How are you going to buy it, will Best Buy be selling it ?
I wont play any MMO without PVP and I have no desire to return to wow -- EVER. Paladins to the horde was the end for me. And to be quite honest I never played wow exclusively, I was usually running 2 MMOs and wow was the one I played less. EQ 2 and Lineage 2 are far better games. Anyways I am glad your friends can stomach the pvp and the limited, cookie-cutter classes. But, I need a mix of classes for pvp to be exciting and fun. If I am a shaman for alliance I should not be fighting the cookie-cutter opposite shaman for horde.
WAR wins for me for many reasons, but the class selection is a BIG one. 22 classes to now, wow just hit 9. And the 2 factions can play them all.
No, thanks. Lineage 2, EQ2, and WAR all blow wow away -- and they all have ALOT of classes to choose from. Blizz destryoyed world pvp a long time ago -- I know, I was playing at the time. YOur friends can harp on random encounters all they want in wow -- they exist in WAR too. Go to the other factions realm, in their quest areas, near their warcamps etc and tell me open world random pvp doesnt exist in WAR. Your friends are all about pvp yet prefer wows limited classes for pvp and the fact you can run through enemy players -- ummm, ok.
So you payed to play a game that you hated so much for 2 YEARS (From introduction of BGs to BC expansion when horde got pallies)??? That says something about your state of mind.
Yep he played Wow for 2 years and he doesn't know there are 10 classes in Wow.
He also "forgets" to mention that some classes in Wow can act as full healer, full tank of full dps. Just depending on the 61 talent settings which can be changed immediatly.
Something you would have to level 3 different classes for in War. Add to the fact that the 22 War classes are actually pure mirror classes and you end up with a lot less in War.
"A lot less" is the perfect word to describe War compared to Wow and far more than class attunements.
From castle destruction to manned combat tanks, from crafting to a working economy, from personal flying mounts to underwater quests, from stable massive + 100vs100 fights to non crashing servers. From fluid and smooth controls of your avatar to Bg's that actually open up when clicked on.
<Edit> the above list because I could go on and on and on.
"Yep he played Wow for 2 years" -- News to me. Also, if you read my post I think I am clear on what was the end of wow for me. Read it again, and I think you might understand how they did something that caused me to not want to play ever again.
"10 classes in Wow" How long has there been 10 classes in wow ? because I quit shortly after BC came out ? So I ask again, how long has the game been out and thinking on around when I quit how many classes were there ? Now take all that information and come to a conclusion on why I said the number of classes I did.
You said you been playing back in the days before BGs (patch 1.5, 07/06/2005), and you also said that you stopped playing when Horde got paladins (at release of Burning crusade, 16/01/2007). So assuming you spent a few months leveling your pally before patch 1.5 you played WoW for 2 years (is it still news to you or do you need further explanation? or where you just making it up to back your arguments?). So again, it says something about you since you payed to play a game you hate so much for 2 years. Is it something you do often or was WoW a special case?
re-read my post and if you cant understand then just dont reply. I was very, very clear about alot of things. And just to say again you are quoting me on things like exact time frames I played when I never gave EXACT time frames and you are failing to understand things like I played because my friends wanted to play with me and I played it as a second MMO, and I quit and resubbed more then once. Seriosuly re-read what I wrote. Reading comprehension classes may be in order for you.
Wife and I left WAR because we wanted a new and better DAOC world not just this offering by Mythic. I was disappointed to me the world felt dead. I expected a world and got another themepark. So we left and played nothing for a few months until we returned to WOW a couple weeks ago. It runs smooth even on her outdated computer, we have friends there and for now it will do until something comes out I can enjoy playing.
Wow was released in Novemeber 2004. The Burning Crusade expansion was released in January 2007. It is now January 2009.
If you played Wow for two years then quit "shortly after TBC came out", you were probably playing Wow for over half of it's lifespan so far before you realized it was sappy gameplay and kiddie fare and 'quit'.
I hate to tell you, but that's about the natural time progression the AVERAGE gamer plays MMOs before they begin to get bored. The "Legend of Tyvolus1" is not unique. You were a typical Wow player while you played, you were not any different than people who play Wow today, as much as you'd like to think you were a more enlightened while doing it. If this were true, you'd have recognized it was kiddie trash and quit long before two years had passed.
Cmon Ty, you can admit it..... You played Wow, you liked Wow and you eventually got bored of Wow. There's no shame in admitting that, son. It's called honesty. You remind me of that one preacher who had experiences with an "alternative lifestyle" and liked it, but later went all crazy conservative evangelical on everyone who openly says they enjoy it, because he feared people would found out. Just say it was fun, but I outgrew it. People say it all the time. I outgrew Wow, but it was definitely fun while I played it... I just got tired of it and the Barren's Chat channel.
Trying to make smoke screens after the fact is really sad.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I wouldn't admit this TOO much. It's supposed to be War "all the time and everywhere", not random encounters. This is not a selling point when pushing Warhammer. You may want to rethink these type of endorsements.
the fact WAR has random encounter PVP, RVR, scenarios, roaming warbands, sieges, etc etc is not a seliing point ?
You take something I said and quote it and spin it and take it out of context and try and make it look like something it wasnt. The fact you only quote one sentence and leave out the rest of what I said and also neglect to mention it was in regards to proving a point that WAR, just like wow (or any other PVP mmo) has random encounter PVP as well as all the other PVP it offers is not a negative. -- Since you played WAR, you know it is a pvp game, with open rvr servers and many different types of pvp available to its players. My post was a reply to a specific point someone made about wow random encounter pvp -- follow the chain of posts and it is clear you are intentionally selecting one sentence of my reply to someone and trying to mislead people here.
So dont try and make it look like the pvp in WAR is random encounters and dont try and make it look like I said that is all the pvp it offers. We all know you are a silly boy and try to grasp at straws to make a point, but when you make posts like this it just smells of pure desperation.
I know you were on saying you were waiting on DF recently -- Lets talk about that -- It comes out the 22nd right ? How are you going to buy it, will Best Buy be selling it ?
Again, accusing someone of "spinning" quotes you actually say. Amazing.
Let me try to put them together, so you can have perspective. First you say this to someone who talks about random encounters in Wow:
And now you say:
When I said this (Regarding YOUR quote about RANDOM encounters in WAR):
You really are a conspiracy laden guy, aren't you?
"TO MICHAEL!"