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Aventurine Refuses MMORPG.COM Preview Request

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  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by miagisan


    so if they cant be crafted, how can they be made and used and piloted, tested, warfare, etc?

     

    they can...

    explain how then.....if they can't be made, they cant exist right? unless a dev spawns them

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  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by miagisan


    so if they cant be crafted, how can they be made and used and piloted, tested, warfare, etc?

     

    they can...

    explain how then.....if they can't be made, they cant exist right? unless a dev spawns them

    they CAN BE MADE i read the devs spawed the resources for someone to craft them. to show that they ships worked but they havent been fully tested by the testers yet. this isnt form my friend tho this is what ive read on that blog site tho

    this

     



    "I have personally seen Mounts in action, Sieges etc are fully implemented but nobody in beta has anything siege worthy because we were just wiped, and no one has built a ship, but a dev logged on and spawned the materials to make one and had a player build one... so in theory, the act of making a Ship and using it works, but I cant speak on the actual process of getting all the materials together to do so since as I said, nobody has done that in beta."

  • xzyaxxzyax Member Posts: 2,459
    Originally posted by miagisan


    these are some huge discrepencies....you said only some quest stuff wasn't turned on....but now its basically everything but the avatars that are not in....and you agreed....wtf? your credibility is nosediving.......



     

    I think his friend is "punking" him. 

    His friend is laughing his head off everytime downtoearth make a "guarantee". 

     

     

     

     

     

    Heh,  just teasing you downtoearth...  you know we love you.   

  • MaelkorMaelkor Member UncommonPosts: 459

    Hmm anyone remember Dark and Light? not saying this game will be the same sort of critical failure as I have not followed it really or had access to any sort of beta etc but...something to think about before plopping money down on any pre-orders etc.

     

    Many is the time people have been fooled by overhyped MMO's and later regreted wasting $50 on a game. I would be very wary of a company that does not allow some form of open viewing by some set of parties before release date and never ever believe a release version of a game will be any better or different than the last version of beta...It never is. The best case for a release version is it will become slightly faster as debug code is removed from the game and thats about it.

     

    There are never any magical builds that will suddenly make everything all right.

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by xzyax

    Originally posted by miagisan


    these are some huge discrepencies....you said only some quest stuff wasn't turned on....but now its basically everything but the avatars that are not in....and you agreed....wtf? your credibility is nosediving.......



     

    I think his friend is "punking" him. 

    His friend is laughing his head off everytime downtoearth make a "guarantee". 

     

     

     

     

     

    Heh,  just teasing you downtoearth...  you know we love you.   

     

    nothing he said

    gave me garrentees lol like is aid they dont know much past what we do except the game is table wnd when they enabled things theres only minor bugs... nothing game breaking

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by Maelkor


    Hmm anyone remember Dark and Light? not saying this game will be the same sort of critical failure as I have not followed it really or had access to any sort of beta etc but...something to think about before plopping money down on any pre-orders etc.
     
    Many is the time people have been fooled by overhyped MMO's and later regreted wasting $50 on a game. I would be very wary of a company that does not allow some form of open viewing by some set of parties before release date and never ever believe a release version of a game will be any better or different than the last version of beta...It never is. The best case for a release version is it will become slightly faster as debug code is removed from the game and thats about it.
     
    There are never any magical builds that will suddenly make everything all right.

     

    tasos said the same thing to the testers in one of his updates heh : ) no magical builds

    umm thats when is tarted firgure an open beta type fo thing on the 22nd because at that point in time i knew they was behind

  • xzyaxxzyax Member Posts: 2,459
    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by miagisan


    so if they cant be crafted, how can they be made and used and piloted, tested, warfare, etc?

     

    they can...

    explain how then.....if they can't be made, they cant exist right? unless a dev spawns them

    they CAN BE MADE i read the devs spawed the resources for someone to craft them. to show that they ships worked but they havent been fully tested by the testers yet. this isnt form my friend tho this is what ive read on that blog site tho

    this

     



    "I have personally seen Mounts in action, Sieges etc are fully implemented but nobody in beta has anything siege worthy because we were just wiped, and no one has built a ship, but a dev logged on and spawned the materials to make one and had a player build one... so in theory, the act of making a Ship and using it works, but I cant speak on the actual process of getting all the materials together to do so since as I said, nobody has done that in beta."

    Those parts in Red are critical to understanding this as well.

     

     

    So far they've verified that if a person is given all the materials required by a Dev.... then a ship can be built.  Great news... the recipe for that one ship works. 

    That's a far stretch from using, piloting, testing, warfare.  The recipe for one ship works... well, I guess that's a start anyway. 

     

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by xzyax

    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by miagisan


    so if they cant be crafted, how can they be made and used and piloted, tested, warfare, etc?

     

    they can...

    explain how then.....if they can't be made, they cant exist right? unless a dev spawns them

    they CAN BE MADE i read the devs spawed the resources for someone to craft them. to show that they ships worked but they havent been fully tested by the testers yet. this isnt form my friend tho this is what ive read on that blog site tho

    this

     



    "I have personally seen Mounts in action, Sieges etc are fully implemented but nobody in beta has anything siege worthy because we were just wiped, and no one has built a ship, but a dev logged on and spawned the materials to make one and had a player build one... so in theory, the act of making a Ship and using it works, but I cant speak on the actual process of getting all the materials together to do so since as I said, nobody has done that in beta."

    Those parts in Red are critical to understanding this as well.

     

     

    So far they've verified that if a person is given all the materials required by a Dev.... then a ship can be built.  Great news... the recipe for that one ship works. 

    That's a far stretch from using, piloting, testing, warfare.  The recipe for one ship works... well, I guess that's a start anyway. 

     

    But a month before the game is suppose to be released? I have a feeling that the game will go through an extensive paid beta test period, kind of like AoC is going through right now.

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  • AshrikAshrik Member Posts: 381


    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by Ashrik

    doesnt anyone understand the concept of q/a testing O_O
    Considering your post history.... ah you know what, nevermind.


     
    thought you didnt : )
    i did say public beta on the 22nd probly which i was mostly right
     




    Originally posted by downtoearth
    k when everything ive been hearing its doesnt have these issue just some minor 1s but you can keep thinking that make your self look like a fool later.

    why post? thats my point

    btw 3 people more like a few hundred live testers at least i already got conformation on that.

    O yea there going to be a public beta before jan 22nd

    SO that just throws your post out he fing window


    -link nixed- google it yourself

    Yeah, mostly right.

    The problem with even reading your garbled writing, downtoearth, is that you are a hard equivocator. No matter what they do or show, or do not do or do not show, you will gladly spin it as to show how it is a good thing. An early release is good, a delay is good, a delay because they forgot something as basic and simple as testing their servers are good, good planning is good, bad planning is good, bad graphics are good, good graphics are good, a public beta is good, a closed beta is a good, no beta is also good- hey they don't owe us anything! If it weren't for the spelling, I'd think you were a bot.

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  • PyrostasisPyrostasis Member UncommonPosts: 2,293
    Originally posted by downtoearth



    doesnt anyone understand the concept of q/a testing O_O

     

    The real question is does Darkfall realize the concept? Here they are talking for two months like they are about to release with less than 1000 people in beta on a game thats going to have 200 - 400k people...

    I was shocked to hear they are actually pulling their heads out of their asses and going to finally stress test. But... not going to do much good with less than a month to find bugs and implement fixes before launch.

    Honestly, I think we are looking at may for an even close to good product.

  • winterwinter Member UncommonPosts: 2,281
    Originally posted by Pyrostasis

    Originally posted by Polarization


    Tasos will let anyone of his friends preview his feature complete, fully tested and ready to release game, many many many previews are out there you just have to find them.
    Anyone can see Darkfall for themselves, Tasos is ready and waiting to show anyone the game on his laptop in Athens for a few minutes, what are you all waiting for?, just contact him and arrange a visit, do it now.
    The main reason why a revolutionary advanced next generation title like Darkfall does not get the media attention it really deserves is Tasos spends all his money making the best game ever for us instead of paying journalists for previews like every other game does before launch.
    All the previews will come after launch, Tasos is to busy to do them at the moment, so thank him for not wasting time on releasing new information about the game when we already have 8 years of old information about the game.

     

    Im going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are joking.



     

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  • xpiherxpiher Member UncommonPosts: 3,310
    Originally posted by Pyrostasis

    Originally posted by downtoearth



    doesnt anyone understand the concept of q/a testing O_O

     

    The real question is does Darkfall realize the concept? Here they are talking for two months like they are about to release with less than 1000 people in beta on a game thats going to have 200 - 400k people...

    I was shocked to hear they are actually pulling their heads out of their asses and going to finally stress test. But... not going to do much good with less than a month to find bugs and implement fixes before launch.

    Honestly, I think we are looking at may for an even close to good product.

     

    No game released recently has been a good product, at least not until a few months after release. AoC, VG, WAR, TR, etc have all been horrid launches. What makes you think a new company would be any different when the big dogs of SoE, Mythic/EA, and NCSOft can't  get it right. Granted, Tasos has said that the game is launch ready and feature complete, but that doesn't mean that all the features are working 100% perfectly.

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  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Sounds like someone is lowering his expectations of the game.

    BTW: NCSofts new game launched without a hitch with over 30 servers.

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  • xpiherxpiher Member UncommonPosts: 3,310
    Originally posted by stayontarget


    Sounds like someone is lowering his expectations of the game.
    BTW: NCSofts new game launched without a hitch with over 30 servers.

     

    I've never had high expectations for this game. I've always thought the game sounded great in theroy and from the looks of everything would be a good game to play. I'm expecting a flawless launch.

     

    NCSoft Aion is ridden with exploits, botters, and hackers while having some bugs. I wouldn't say that game launched with out a hitch. Granted, it does seem to have a better launch than AoC or WAR, but then again maybe it really doesn't and just has more people playing it. Korean games tend to promote hacking, exploiting, and botting to get ahead due to their grind or the fact that playing time makes the player.

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    Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
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    Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
    Xpiher's GW2
    GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
    Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
    AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
    Warhammer - Xpiher

  • KienKien Member Posts: 520
    Originally posted by usrbinperl1

    Originally posted by Kien

    Originally posted by usrbinperl1


    1) the reply you are referring to was not from Stradden, and

     

    Huh?

    Stradden, S-t-r-a-d-d-e-n. 

     

    I'm bewildered. Is this the latest defense for Darkfall - the sky isn't blue, the Earth isn't round?

     

    hint: the post you are referring to the guy edited the post to make it look like Stradden said it. try reading Stradden's post history before embarrassing yourself next time...

     

    No. Please scroll down to the LAST post on that page. Off on the right there is Stradden's name and avatar; I trust you can find it. It's true that Stradden quotes someone in his post. The quote is outlined in the typical way. Now please ignore the quoted part of the reply and look for the words which Stradden wrote himself. I am utterly amazed there are people out there that can't figure this out. Or perhaps this is a bizarre joke? If so you got me.

  • AdigironAdigiron Member Posts: 83

    One thing to note is that if you aren't logged in, you go to a different page with different lists of posts.  So be sure to log in first before hitting the OP's link.....  When you do, you'll see stradden say:

    "We've already asked to be allowed to view the game. We were told this would happen "when the time comes". Beyond that, there really isn't much that we can do."

     

     

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    Originally posted by Rayx0r


    Its like every generation of MMO gamer needs an overhyped game to release then get burned on before they become just as cynical as the rest of us.
    Earth and Beyond, Dark and LIght, Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan, Horizons, Wish (died prematurely), Irth Online
    yep... wonder how many of the names I just posted some of you never even heard of?  Spend some time and do some reasearch on those titles, who developed them, published them and where they are now. 
    Rock On! I just hope none of you die-hards DONT purchase a gun in the near future. 

    QFT. Well said.

    I had my popcorn maker all warmed up then they delayed another month. Well I madesure the jar of popcorn had a 2012 "sell by" date. Maybe I will still get to use it sometime before it goes bad.

    Oh and Tasos says a lot. Didn't he once say the game was ready a year ago except for fine tuning. Too bad no major reputable independent reviewer has ever seen the game. One would think he would know that would shut up the vaporware claims forever. But I am also sure he knows that if it is a steaming heap it might impact his requests for more development time and money.

     

     

    I miss DAoC

  • ghoul31ghoul31 Member Posts: 1,955
    Originally posted by Jackdog


    QFT. Well said.
    I had my popcorn maker all warmed up then they delayed another month. Well I madesure the jar of popcorn had a 2012 "sell by" date. Maybe I will still get to use it sometime before it goes bad.
     



     

    Where have you been Jackdog? You were all over the D&L forums warnng people away when that game came out. Haven't seen you in this forum though.

     

  • KienKien Member Posts: 520
    Originally posted by Adigiron


    One thing to note is that if you aren't logged in, you go to a different page with different lists of posts.  So be sure to log in first before hitting the OP's link.....  When you do, you'll see stradden say:
    "We've already asked to be allowed to view the game. We were told this would happen "when the time comes". Beyond that, there really isn't much that we can do."
     
     



    Thanks for the explanation, and I apologize to anyone I may have confused with my link. Please make sure to log in before viewing the link, as Adigiron suggests.

  • winterwinter Member UncommonPosts: 2,281

    Nm someone beat me to it.

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    Originally posted by ghoul31

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    QFT. Well said.
    I had my popcorn maker all warmed up then they delayed another month. Well I madesure the jar of popcorn had a 2012 "sell by" date. Maybe I will still get to use it sometime before it goes bad.
     



     

    Where have you been Jackdog? You were all over the D&L forums warnng people away when that game came out. Haven't seen you in this forum though.

     

    and look what it accomplished. People will believe what they want and ignore any evidence to the contrary. Life will go on no matter how big of a heap this turns out to be. A few more people will become cynical bastards like me, a few will waste good money they could have wasted on something more useful, but life goes on. ~ shrug~ I lurk a lot over here and get a few laughs from the "fans" but why bother arguing. Just let the fools learn their own lessons if they have the capacity to learn that is. Some will return to POS game after POS game and hang on every word from the Dev team and never learn.

    I miss DAoC

  • usrbinperl1usrbinperl1 Member Posts: 6
    Originally posted by Kien



    No. Please scroll down to the LAST post on that page. Off on the right there is Stradden's name and avatar; I trust you can find it. It's true that Stradden quotes someone in his post. The quote is outlined in the typical way. Now please ignore the quoted part of the reply and look for the words which Stradden wrote himself. I am utterly amazed there are people out there that can't figure this out. Or perhaps this is a bizarre joke? If so you got me.

     

    This is pretty funny from someone who can't even figure out how to link to individual posts... you realise that page 11 is different for every person who has adjusted their posts & threads per page setting?

  • Adam1902Adam1902 Member UncommonPosts: 537

    I really hope you're joking.

    The community on here troll Darkfall for shits and giggles, they don't get outside enough, and troll Aventurines hard work instead.

    But then when Aventurine don't let MMORPG.com preview it, you ask why?

    Jesus, why the fuck would they?

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  • ThanosxpThanosxp Member UncommonPosts: 177
    Originally posted by Adam1902


    I really hope you're joking.

    The community on here troll Darkfall for shits and giggles, they don't get outside enough, and troll Aventurines hard work instead.
    But then when Aventurine don't let MMORPG.com preview it, you ask why?
    Jesus, why the fuck would they?



     

    Yeah,that would be crazy! Makes WAY MORE SENSE if i made a movie,and then called my mother,brother,a friend of mine and one guy from a random newspaper to review my movie. Yeah,right.

    YOu know why would they?To give them something they don't have since forever: Credibility

  • LukePlumberLukePlumber Member Posts: 74
    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by Ashrik


    You know, I don't think he's a liar for suddenly acknowledging (at least part of) the realities of a successful game release. I think he was just naive and probably a bit arrogant, and it is now biting him in his backside.
    I lot of people admire strength and honest, and that's easy enough to get. To this end, a lot of other people sayyy politicians are unusually reticent to change their mind on just about any issue because they then get perceived as weak-willed at best, dishonest at worst.
    I personally prefer the intellectual honest that is inherent to changing one's mind when there is sufficient reason to do so.
    The whole "we don't announce until we're sure we won't delay" was bullcrap. So is the David v Goliath fairy tale of taking on the big guys and flipping the industry on its head. So was the "pre-orders for early access or cool items is nothing but a scam". That was all nonsense, from my perspective.
    Where was I going with all this?
    I guess I'm just trying to say that it's not so bad.
     

    Except for the beta leaks that talk about an empty world (outside of the newbie areas), most features turned off and clickfest melee combat.
    Although this is cause for concern, no matter what way you look at it.

     

    actully most stuff is enabled it was content they hadnt put in all the way next patch will have alot more

    doesnt anyone understand the concept of q/a testing O_O

     

    From what I hear, most of the important aspects of the game are not in, as of yet. Ships, housing, player cities, sieging, etc. are all supposedly being tested by the internal team.

    Which kind of reminds me of how AoC was during beta. All of the most important stuff was "being tested by internal testers" and we know how that game is doing.

     

    "From what I hear", ships are in (just mats are hard to get, one has definitly been build though), don't know about housing, player cities and sieging were already seen in the video so they at least exist as well. Also, Gianna planned on writing about player cities so that probably means there were player cities to write about. She definitly did write about some towers in player cities meaning there are player cities.

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