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and Darkfall owns another troll
Perhaps this is a bit cynical of me in that I was starting to get the feeling that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder.
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
Fair enough, I was a bit harsh but really ..... "respectful" and "professional"? Making a blatant allegation with no basis of fact or even logic and for no other reason than you disagree or for some other petty problem? Thats not respectful or professional.
"... starting to get the feeling.." is far from making "a blatant allegation with no basis..." It was an opinionated feeling, and hence not presupposed to any factual statements to back it up. Feelings are feelings, no facts are necessarily needed to back them up.
Now if I stated an allegation, it would read more like the following: "The OP and the Poster were in fact that same person!" That would be an example of declarationon and allegation without any facts or evidence. Its all in the wording.
Personally, I can't wait for this damned game to finally make it's apearance and be whatever the hell it's going to be... hit or flop. At least then there will be something to actually talk about that is grounded in reality. All of this pedantic mewling and rabid troll/fanboism has, as usual, pushed the art of discussion to yet another new low. Petty arguments and name-calling are the norm in these threads for the last couple weeks over it and it's gotten old. Yawn... see ya's when the game pops up.
Fair enough, then I apologize for my gut feelings on that. I meant no disrespect.
and Darkfall owns another troll
Perhaps this is a bit cynical of me in that I was starting to get the feeling that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder.
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
Fair enough, I was a bit harsh but really ..... "respectful" and "professional"? Making a blatant allegation with no basis of fact or even logic and for no other reason than you disagree or for some other petty problem? Thats not respectful or professional.
"... starting to get the feeling.." is far from making "a blatant allegation with no basis..." It was an opinionated feeling, and hence not presupposed to any factual statements to back it up. Feelings are feelings, no facts are necessarily needed to back them up.
Its not far from it at all, its one step away from it and doesn't change the fact that it wasn't either respectful or professional.
Extravagance, blended together seemingly perspicaciously, doesn't always penetrate in a reflective way. An aptitude of being better understood is knowing a singleness in simplicity trumps verbal masterbation. Often, people think, erronously, that designing the architecture of their words in labyrinthine ways makes them sound ingenious. When, in fact, those who do not understand see unavailing drivel.
You get my point? And I'd like to apologize to everyone else because my post was meant to be simple and easy to understand.
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and Darkfall owns another troll
Perhaps this is a bit cynical of me in that I was starting to get the feeling that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder.
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
Fair enough, I was a bit harsh but really ..... "respectful" and "professional"? Making a blatant allegation with no basis of fact or even logic and for no other reason than you disagree or for some other petty problem? Thats not respectful or professional.
"... starting to get the feeling.." is far from making "a blatant allegation with no basis..." It was an opinionated feeling, and hence not presupposed to any factual statements to back it up. Feelings are feelings, no facts are necessarily needed to back them up.
Its not far from it at all, its one step away from it and doesn't change the fact that it wasn't either respectful or professional.
I wasn't meant to be disrespectful nor unprofessional as I never used any explicative nor vulgar wording. A feeling on something is "not one step away from..." an allegation as you put, and no where near as making a direct allegation. I gave you an previous example of what a direct allegation would be written like in a previous rebuttal, and shall spare you and everyone else the pain of reading another example of this. Your argument looses validity with each rebuttal as your statements are just as opinionated as mine. Please don't try to word this as if it is fact vs. fact... which is far from it indeed.
Again like a broken record, I reiterate that, "... starting to get the feeling..." is nothing more then opinion, and not a direct attack on anyone. If you feel my dialogue is disrespectul, conversely not professional, then I suppose that is your "opinion" as well, and you are well entitled to it, but remember it is not fact.
Extravagance, blended together seemingly perspicaciously, doesn't always penetrate in a reflective way. An aptitude of being better understood is knowing a singleness in simplicity trumps verbal masterbation. Often, people think, erronously, that designing the architecture of their words in labyrinthine ways makes them sound ingenious. When, in fact, those who do not understand see unavailing drivel.
You get my point? And I'd like to apologize to everyone else because my post was meant to be simple and easy to understand.
Unfortunately, most of your words didn't work together, which may have been your point I suppose. I was trying to show you the basic structure of a dialogue and how you can convey your writings to a general audience in an entertaining way. Sure, it came off sarcastic, but for some reason I always emit the very definition of what's considered sarcasm.
Look, I'm a free lance writer, I tend to correct other people's writings from a false sense of obligation. By no means do I have a problem with you, you seem like a nice enough person, I was trying to help you in my own annoying way.
I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll get back on the topic of Darkfall. I remain unbiased, I never cared for video games much. If anything it'll be free time to me and will stay at those limits, I can't afford to be obssesed with games anymore, I don't even know if I want the extra bill.
What is it you meant to do than ?
You implied that the poster was deceptively using an alt to bump the thread, just because you had enough sense to know it was a stupid thing to say and refrained from directly making the allegation doesn't mean its any more "respectful" or "professional" like you claimed it was.
I admitted I was harsh with my first comment. I didn't try to make clear that such an implication has only one use, which is to discredit the original poster without need of fact. That I might add is actually less "respectful" and "professional" than a direct allegation. Now that I admitted what I did, you should just admit that it wasn't "respectful" or "professional" as you claimed you post are despite whatever intentions you had and whatever spin you put on it.
Sorry they already did. Next time try harder with your debate, maybe try some reason or facts instead of just more flamebait assumptions. I don't even have to say how your posts make you look
WOW I can't wait to roll-up on this thread after Jan25.
No worries mate, I'll be back soon.
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The OP is just the pot calling the kettle black.
Fans and Haters are just different sides of the same coin.
What is it you meant to do than ?
You implied that the poster was deceptively using an alt to bump the thread, just because you had enough sense to know it was a stupid thing to say and refrained from directly making the allegation doesn't mean its any more "respectful" or "professional" like you claimed it was.
I admitted I was harsh with my first comment. I didn't try to make clear that such an implication has only one use, which is to discredit the original poster without need of fact. That I might add is actually less "respectful" and "professional" than a direct allegation. Now that I admitted what I did, you should just admit that it wasn't "respectful" or "professional" as you claimed you post are despite whatever intentions you had and whatever spin you put on it.
Interesting, so now it's changed from "allegation" to "implication." What's next, I wonder? But please continue.
How hard is it for someone to admit they missed the wording "feeling". I used that specifically worded to avoid the very thing you claimed against me as allegation. How ironic that in trying to word it carefully to avoid being labeled as "allegation" it got labeled as such despite my wording. And when I pointed this out in the above post, the status of my statements have now been reduced from "allegation" to "implication"? One wonders why you are no longer using "allegation." What's next "infraction"? Really this is getting silly.
So if the status of my initial post is now an "implication," perhaps you got something there, as opinions seem implicate by their own nature.
Though on the surface of your rebuttal, it appears to be a sort of bait-and-switch tactic to avoid admitting that calling it an "allegation" might have been an incorrect assessment of the initial dialog in question. It seems that you are trying to avoid a retraction of the initial "allegation" that I supposedly perpetrated. As to professionalism, implications are still an opinionated form of dialog open to vast forms of interpretation neither proving nor disproving any form of professional intent, nor lack thereof.
What is it you meant to do than ?
You implied that the poster was deceptively using an alt to bump the thread, just because you had enough sense to know it was a stupid thing to say and refrained from directly making the allegation doesn't mean its any more "respectful" or "professional" like you claimed it was.
I admitted I was harsh with my first comment. I didn't try to make clear that such an implication has only one use, which is to discredit the original poster without need of fact. That I might add is actually less "respectful" and "professional" than a direct allegation. Now that I admitted what I did, you should just admit that it wasn't "respectful" or "professional" as you claimed you post are despite whatever intentions you had and whatever spin you put on it.
Interesting, so now it's changed from "allegation" to "implication." What's next, I wonder? But please continue.
How hard is it for someone to admit they missed the wording "feeling". I used that specifically worded to avoid the very thing you claimed against me as allegation. How ironic that in trying to word it carefully to avoid being labeled as "allegation" it got labeled as such despite my wording. And when I pointed this out in the above post, the status of my statements have now been reduced from "allegation" to "implication"? One wonders why you are no longer using "allegation." What's next "infraction"? Really this is getting silly.
So if the status of my initial post is now an "implication," perhaps you got something there, as opinions seem implicate by their own nature.
Though on the surface of your rebuttal, it appears to be a sort of bait-and-switch tactic to avoid admitting that calling it an "allegation" might have been an incorrect assessment of the initial dialog in question. It seems that you are trying to avoid a retraction of the initial "allegation" that I supposedly perpetrated. As to professionalism, implications are still an opinionated form of dialog open to vast forms of interpretation neither proving nor disproving any form of professional intent, nor lack thereof.
Yes it's was a silly thing you said and its been silly conversation ever since.
Since you insist on attacking everything I say in order to avoid admitting that you weren't "respectful" or "professional" I've been making it easier for you to accept the truth.
I said you weren't respectful or proffessional as you claimed to be. So what did you do, you attacked my use of the word allegation. I recognise that and as such don't asert it again but still claim you were disrespectful and unproffesional contray to what you claim to be. So what do you do, you claim I am changing tactics so I don't have to retract what I said. Again I'll make it easier for you to stop looking at my wrong doing and accept your own. I misused the word allegation. Now hopefully we can stop looking at me and accept that you weren't respectful in the original post you made which I objected to, harshly I admit.
"As to professionalism, implications are still an opinionated form of dialog open to vast forms of interpretation neither proving nor disproving any form of professional intent, nor lack thereof." We aren't talking about intent, it is possible to be both disrespectful and unproffesional without the intent. For example, not putting any thought into the implications when expressing your "feelings" would qualify in my opinion as both but since that is my opinion I won't press that.
I will ask you again though, what was it you meant to happen? what did you think implying the poster was the OP and deceptively using an alt to bump the thread would do?
Now even if you had not intended to discredit the author of that post than do you accept that the respectful and professional thing to do would've been to put more thought into "forms of interpretation"? (which I might add in my opinion aren't vast at all in this case).
For the record I stand by my call, in my opinion it wasn't respectful or professional as you (rightly) pointed out my post wasn't and as you claimed yours were. I just don't see how you can consider blurting out a "gut feeling" that implies the original poster is deceptively trying to bump the thread without considering the obvious interpretations of it, could be considered respectful or professional.
"What wrong did they do to you by liking the idea behind this game, having faith in this game, and following this game defending it from some of the truly stupid and disrespectful words and blown out of proportion comments towards Darkfall?"
This goes both ways. When someone is skeptical of Darkfall and all it has promised, the "fans" label them as trolls. This isn't a one way street.
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What is it you meant to do than ?
You implied that the poster was deceptively using an alt to bump the thread, just because you had enough sense to know it was a stupid thing to say and refrained from directly making the allegation doesn't mean its any more "respectful" or "professional" like you claimed it was.
I admitted I was harsh with my first comment. I didn't try to make clear that such an implication has only one use, which is to discredit the original poster without need of fact. That I might add is actually less "respectful" and "professional" than a direct allegation. Now that I admitted what I did, you should just admit that it wasn't "respectful" or "professional" as you claimed you post are despite whatever intentions you had and whatever spin you put on it.
Interesting, so now it's changed from "allegation" to "implication." What's next, I wonder? But please continue.
How hard is it for someone to admit they missed the wording "feeling". I used that specifically worded to avoid the very thing you claimed against me as allegation. How ironic that in trying to word it carefully to avoid being labeled as "allegation" it got labeled as such despite my wording. And when I pointed this out in the above post, the status of my statements have now been reduced from "allegation" to "implication"? One wonders why you are no longer using "allegation." What's next "infraction"? Really this is getting silly.
So if the status of my initial post is now an "implication," perhaps you got something there, as opinions seem implicate by their own nature.
Though on the surface of your rebuttal, it appears to be a sort of bait-and-switch tactic to avoid admitting that calling it an "allegation" might have been an incorrect assessment of the initial dialog in question. It seems that you are trying to avoid a retraction of the initial "allegation" that I supposedly perpetrated. As to professionalism, implications are still an opinionated form of dialog open to vast forms of interpretation neither proving nor disproving any form of professional intent, nor lack thereof.
Yes it's was a silly thing you said and its been silly conversation ever since.
Since you insist on attacking everything I say in order to avoid admitting that you weren't "respectful" or "professional" I've been making it easier for you to accept the truth.
I said you weren't respectful or proffessional as you claimed to be. So what did you do, you attacked my use of the word allegation. I recognise that and as such don't asert it again but still claim you were disrespectful and unproffesional contray to what you claim to be. So what do you do, you claim I am changing tactics so I don't have to retract what I said. Again I'll make it easier for you to stop looking at my wrong doing and accept your own. I misused the word allegation. Now hopefully we can stop looking at me and accept that you weren't respectful in the original post you made which I objected to, harshly I admit.
"As to professionalism, implications are still an opinionated form of dialog open to vast forms of interpretation neither proving nor disproving any form of professional intent, nor lack thereof." We aren't talking about intent, it is possible to be both disrespectful and unproffesional without the intent. For example, not putting any thought into the implications when expressing your "feelings" would qualify in my opinion as both but since that is my opinion I won't press that.
I will ask you again though, what was you meant to happen? what did you think implying the poster was the OP and deceptively using an alt to bump the thread would do?
Now even if you had not intended to discredit the author of that post than do you accept that the respectful and professional thing to do would've been to put more thought into "forms of interpretation"? (which I might add in my opinion aren't vast at all).
For the record I stand by my call, in my opinion it wasn't respectful or professional as you (rightly) pointed out my post wasn't and as you claimed yours were. I just don't see how you can consider blurting out a "gut feeling" that implies the original poster is deceptively trying to bump the thread without considering the obvious interpretations of it could be considered respectful or professional.
Your quote: "... to avoid admitting that you weren't "respectful" or "professional" I've been making it easier for you to accept that the truth."
How have been avoiding the truth!?! First and foremost, it is your opinion that I have been avoiding the truth! And notably this is your 3rd argument against my initial statement. And like an artful politician you yet again change the tactics of your argument. That does not make it fact. Second point, DID YOU READ POST 107??? All this time you've bait-switched your argument from from "allegation," to "implication," and now you want me to admit to avoiding the truth when I've LONG since already accepted per POST 107!! Really did you read Post 107? It sounds like an apology to me? And this was posted long before your argument here. It seems you didn't read Post 107 and have been arguing a moot point at best in regards to your new tactic. So what's you next argument one wonders?
Again your attacking my post. Yes it is my opinion you've been avoiding the truth, sorry I didn't point out that it was my opinion like I did with some of my other opinions, its obvious. I don't care if you feel I am changing my tactics.
Just answer the questions I ask please or admit your wrong doing.
As for post 107 it doesn't matter if its an apology to the OP. You don't state anywhere in there that you were being disrespectful or unproffesional, the cloest you come is saying you meant no disrespect. What I have been arguing for the entire time, is that you weren't respectful or proffessional which you claim to be in contrast to me. My intention is for you to accept that you were attacking me for things that you yourself did.
Again your attacking my post. Yes it is my opinion you've been avoiding the truth, sorry I didn't point out that it was my opinion like I did with some of my other opinions, its obvious. I don't care if you feel I am changing my tactics.
Just answer the questions I ask please or admit your wrong doing.
As for post 107 it doesn't matter if its an apology to the OP. You don't state anywhere in there that you were being disrespectful or unproffesional, the cloest you come is saying you meant no disrespect. What I have been arguing for the entire time, is that you weren't respectful or proffessional which you claim to be in contrast to me. My intention is for you to accept that you were attacking me for things that you yourself did.
I am now attacking your posts??? Is this now your fourth new tactic for your argument?...
Okay you're quote: "What I have been arguing the entire time, is that you weren't respectful or professional in which you claim to be in contrast to me."
First of, it is your opinion that I was wrong in not admitting that I wasn't respectful or professional. I cannot agree with that as I never intended this to the case. Secondly, I cannot control how anyone will react to what I write, since I am not god, nor omnipotent, this is out of my control, and hence should I be held accountable for another persons reactions when they are their reactions and not mine. I mean really I can only control my own conscious state of being and nobody Else's. Thirdly, "... or contrast to me." Where do I call you or claim DIRECTLY that you are disrespectful or unprofessional? Or am I misinterpreting YOUR wording "or contrast to me." In this case is it now you who are implying a sort of victimization as yet a new tactic for you arguments. How does a rebuttal backed by reasoning should be considered "... attacking" (as you put it) your posts?
If you want me to admit to your opinion, I have a choice and a right to disagree with it, and hence there will be no admittance of any preponderance of any implied guilt on my part. I will not apologize for something I believe I was never guilty of to begin with. You say I'm guilty of this, that is your opinion, nothing more. I can only admit to disagreeing to it.
As to Post 107, my apology was intended for the clarification that it was never my intention to insult him. If I can be accused of anything, then perhaps it is sometimes cynicism, which was a word "that I used" in that initial post to describe my standpoint. Of being guilty of cynicism, yes and gladly so, but is that being unprofessional, and disrespectful, in my opinion, no, and it seems in your opinion yes. Where does that leave our argument, well it seems the only thing we can agree on that that we disagree with each other.
and Darkfall owns another troll
Perhaps this is a bit cynical of me in that I was starting to get the feeling that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder.
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
"At least my post don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional or "paranoid"
in contrast to mine? right? After all you are responding to my post and you are using words that I used.
"that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder."
and thats the original statement which I maintain is hypocrisy. In my opinion it is clear you are trying to discredit the author, otherwise why blurt out your gut feeling. Lets take your word for it and you didn't intend for it to do this. Than I say to you that you should think before you blurt out your "gut feelings" (as you later put it) about someone acting dishonestly but wait I forgot, you cannot be held responsiable for what you say can you? You cannot be held responsiable for the obvious implication, if thats the case you shouldn't claim you try to be respectful or professional because blurting out crap about someone for no reason (personally I think you had a reason) isn't respectful or professional, being respectful and/or professional requires you think about the consequences of what you say.
and Darkfall owns another troll
Perhaps this is a bit cynical of me in that I was starting to get the feeling that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder.
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
"At least my post don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional or "paranoid"
in contrast to mine? right? After all you are responding to my post and you are using words that I used.
"that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder."
and thats the original statement which I maintain is hypocrisy. In my opinion it is clear you are trying to discredit the author, otherwise why blurt out your gut feeling. Lets take your word for it and you didn't intend for it to do this. Than I say to you that you should think before you blurt out your "gut feelings" (as you later put it) about someone acting dishonestly but wait I forgot, you cannot be held responsiable for what you say can you? You cannot be held responsiable for the obvious implication, if thats the case you shouldn't claim you try to be respectful or professional because blurting out crap about someone for no reason (personally I think you had a reason) isn't respectful or professional, being respectful and/or professional requires you think about the consequences of what you say.
Discrediting and being disrespectful are two completely different things!!!
Oh lol
So discrediting someone based on no facts, just a "gut feeling" is respectful?
Come on give it up.
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
"At least my post don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional or "paranoid"
in contrast to mine? right? After all you are responding to my post and you are using words that I used.
"that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder."
and thats the original statement which I maintain is hypocrisy. In my opinion it is clear you are trying to discredit the author, otherwise why blurt out your gut feeling. Lets take your word for it and you didn't intend for it to do this. Than I say to you that you should think before you blurt out your "gut feelings" (as you later put it) about someone acting dishonestly but wait I forgot, you cannot be held responsiable for what you say can you? You cannot be held responsiable for the obvious implication, if thats the case you shouldn't claim you try to be respectful or professional because blurting out crap about someone for no reason (personally I think you had a reason) isn't respectful or professional, being respectful and/or professional requires you think about the consequences of what you say.
Jumping in here as I'm bored so forgive me, but to your statement some IS delusional or Paranoid (ie statemnet as fact) is much worse then his "Feeling" (ie opinion not stated as fact.)
the forums are all about opinions there are generally alot less actually facts to to run with. As such i don't believe someone posting their opinions (ie feeling) is being a hypocrit. if however they posted their opnions as fact that would be a different story. (as you did)
Take it or disregard it as you will, but in debate your statement would generally be seen as a insult or attack, were as the posters posting his opinion would just be a natural part of the debate. Granted one should generally stick to facts, but as i pointed out these forums are generally really short on hard facts to work with. So assumptions stated as opinions are ok while assuptions stated as fact are generally not. Yes he may have been trying to discredit the OP but as he stated it was his feeling and not as some fact (without proof) he was still at least IMO not over the line as a hypocrit.
as interesting as this all is i think we've derailed the thread enough?
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
"At least my post don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional or "paranoid"
in contrast to mine? right? After all you are responding to my post and you are using words that I used.
"that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder."
and thats the original statement which I maintain is hypocrisy. In my opinion it is clear you are trying to discredit the author, otherwise why blurt out your gut feeling. Lets take your word for it and you didn't intend for it to do this. Than I say to you that you should think before you blurt out your "gut feelings" (as you later put it) about someone acting dishonestly but wait I forgot, you cannot be held responsiable for what you say can you? You cannot be held responsiable for the obvious implication, if thats the case you shouldn't claim you try to be respectful or professional because blurting out crap about someone for no reason (personally I think you had a reason) isn't respectful or professional, being respectful and/or professional requires you think about the consequences of what you say.
Jumping in here as I'm bored so forgive me, but to your statement some IS delusional or Paranoid (ie statemnet as fact) is much worse then his "Feeling" (ie opinion not stated as fact.)
the forums are all about opinions there are generally alot less actually facts to to run with. As such i don't believe someone posting their opinions (ie feeling) is being a hypocrit. if however they posted their opnions as fact that would be a different story. (as you did)
Take it or disregard it as you will, but in debate your statement would generally be seen as a insult or attack, were as the posters posting his opinion would just be a natural part of the debate. Granted one should generally stick to facts, but as i pointed out these forums are generally really short on hard facts to work with. So assumptions stated as opinions are ok while assuptions stated as fact are generally not. Yes he may have been trying to discredit the OP but as he stated it was his feeling and not as some fact (without proof) he was still at least IMO not over the line as a hypocrit.
as interesting as this all is i think we've derailed the thread enough?
I'm bored too, I wouldn't bother arguing this if I wasn't
The point is he was not being respectful or professional as he said he tries to be in direct comparison to my post. This is true what I said was worse but it is hypocritical of someone to say "as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards." when the comments I made were made in opposition to him doing the opposite which was blurting out a gut feeling (with what I think) was the intent to descredit the other poster. Thats not respectful and I want him to accept that.
EDIT Furthermore I still maintain even if it wasn't his intent, if he were really trying to be respectful and professional he wouldn't have blurted it out without considering the consequences
Again your attacking my post. Yes it is my opinion you've been avoiding the truth, sorry I didn't point out that it was my opinion like I did with some of my other opinions, its obvious. I don't care if you feel I am changing my tactics.
Just answer the questions I ask please or admit your wrong doing.
As for post 107 it doesn't matter if its an apology to the OP. You don't state anywhere in there that you were being disrespectful or unproffesional, the cloest you come is saying you meant no disrespect. What I have been arguing for the entire time, is that you weren't respectful or proffessional which you claim to be in contrast to me. My intention is for you to accept that you were attacking me for things that you yourself did.
I am now attacking your posts??? Is this now your fourth new tactic for your argument?...
Okay you're quote: "What I have been arguing the entire time, is that you weren't respectful or professional in which you claim to be in contrast to me."
First of, it is your opinion that I was wrong in not admitting that I wasn't respectful or professional. I cannot agree with that as I never intended this to the case. Secondly, I cannot control how anyone will react to what I write, since I am not god, nor omnipotent, this is out of my control, and hence should I be held accountable for another persons reactions when they are their reactions and not mine. I mean really I can only control my own conscious state of being and nobody Else's. Thirdly, "... or contrast to me." Where do I call you or claim DIRECTLY that you are disrespectful or unprofessional? Or am I misinterpreting YOUR wording "or contrast to me." In this case is it now you who are implying a sort of victimization as yet a new tactic for you arguments. How does a rebuttal backed by reasoning should be considered "... attacking" (as you put it) your posts?
If you want me to admit to your opinion, I have a choice and a right to disagree with it, and hence there will be no admittance of any preponderance of any implied guilt on my part. I will not apologize for something I believe I was never guilty of to begin with. You say I'm guilty of this, that is your opinion, nothing more. I can only admit to disagreeing to it.
As to Post 107, my apology was intended for the clarification that it was never my intention to insult him. If I can be accused of anything, then perhaps it is sometimes cynicism, which was a word "that I used" in that initial post to describe my standpoint. Of being guilty of cynicism, yes and gladly so, but is that being unprofessional, and disrespectful, in my opinion, no, and it seems in your opinion yes. Where does that leave our argument, well it seems the only thing we can agree on that that we disagree with each other.
It's quite simple...
You haven't just said "You're 100% right. I'm 1000% wrong. I was neither professional nor respectful nor tactful and I have been attacking your posts by pointing out inconsistencies, all the while daring to defend or better explain my point-of-view. I am sorry. Please accept my most humble of apologies for offending your tender sensibilities."
Therefor, he's not going to "let you off the hook".
... Meanwhile, in the real world ...
You've already more than adequately stated your case, hidden1.
Some people just can't let it go.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
and Darkfall owns another troll
Perhaps this is a bit cynical of me in that I was starting to get the feeling that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder.
I think its more delusional or paranoid of you than it is cynical. Pull your head in.
I suppose being delusional or paranoid does not make it true? I guess we'll never know, but thank you for the insults. At least my posts don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional" or "paranoid" to describe posters on here, as I try to be a bit more respectful and professional of the community in that regards.
"At least my post don't personally use derogatory labels such as "delusional or "paranoid"
in contrast to mine? right? After all you are responding to my post and you are using words that I used.
"that he was really just the OP tyring to bump his thread with an alt, he bascially restated what the OP did in just a slightly different, stylized form of writing. Hmmm one begings to wonder."
and thats the original statement which I maintain is hypocrisy. In my opinion it is clear you are trying to discredit the author, otherwise why blurt out your gut feeling. Lets take your word for it and you didn't intend for it to do this. Than I say to you that you should think before you blurt out your "gut feelings" (as you later put it) about someone acting dishonestly but wait I forgot, you cannot be held responsiable for what you say can you? You cannot be held responsiable for the obvious implication, if thats the case you shouldn't claim you try to be respectful or professional because blurting out crap about someone for no reason (personally I think you had a reason) isn't respectful or professional, being respectful and/or professional requires you think about the consequences of what you say.
Discrediting and being disrespectful are two completely different things!!!
Oh lol
So discrediting someone based on no facts, just a "gut feeling" is respectful?
Come on give it up.
If I intended for disrespect, I would have just directly called him a "label" as most people do here. Labels such as troll, hater, fanboi, doucebag, etc... And since that is not the case here, it should not be misinterpreted as disrespect.
You are assuming that I was being purposely hurtful, no I was clearly being cynical. I went with a negative gut feeling. Is that not the basis of cynicism? My response was indicative of negativity, and yes this was intended as that is the usual standpoint of the cynic. Since, It was a "gut feeling" cynical remark, it does not mean it was intended to be disrespectful. Was it intended to discredit, sure, however to discredit is not the same as, nor does it mean to disrespect. Both different words with their clear and distinct meanings. To me disrespect would be to out right call someone a "label" and more so if that label happens to be an expletive of so some sort or nature, and even worse, doing so without any explanation and/or reasoning behind it.
I think you are having trouble separating cynical minded comments with direct disrespectful labels or intended insults. If by using cynicism to discredit someone is disrespectful in your view, than that is merely opinion and not fact. An opinion of which I am in total disagreement.
Somehow you think a cynical viewpoint equates disrespect because of it's opinionated implications. Can I be a negative person at times, does that mean I am disrespectful? This is not the case, believe me, as implications are just that, and a negative viewpoint is just a form of cynicism, and not direct disrespect; at least in my case and intentions. If you have trouble understanding this, that is due to no fault of my own, as I have argued every point you made with sound reasoning in all my counterpoints. Again all that is left here is that we both agree that we disagree on this specific issue.