10 days till release, still nda. No word on free trials, just preorders, collect cash and fly to caribes.
Who is going to be a fool to preorder this game?
Not people like you, thankfully.
"Waah its been two days already, thats an eternity!! Where is everything."
-Darkstar
Are you still smoking same weed like in the days when you believed Tasos there will be open beta, free trial etc..? I see it bangs you pretty well even now.
Free trial ??
When has anyone ever asked for free trial? When has a new mmo EVER given anyone free trials ?
Sure after 2 or three months, but on release? are u smoking crack?
-Darkstar
Maybe you need to read what Taos has said.And stop playing on both ends of the stick.. I read some of your post and they are misleading just like Taos misleads the community.
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
To be fair most MMOs don't have completely open betas anymore or trials at launch. Last open betas I can remember being part of was Lotro and Dark age of Camelot... On the other hand Tasos himself has said that everyone should get the chance to try the game before buying, care to explain that Darkstar?
I don't know, this has nothing to do with the post. Im not a generic fanboi who will defend all the points of the game, i never have been, so stop throwing in new arguments that has nothing to do with what is being discussed.
If I where to guess id say they will have open beta the last 7 days of the game.
But I dont know, maybe they wont do that.
And u dont know either since the game isnt out yet.
I know Tasos said he WANTED to allow ppl to try the game but if its not possible thats not going to happen, obviously.
Regardless the point here is that new mmo's dont have free trails at start.
To go alittle off-topic. The game is great and can speak for itself. I dont like when people asume the game must be crap because they dont like Tasos personality (wich have nothing to do with the game). I mean, are you for because you like MMOs or drama? This is a MMO site after all. My gf like drama, so she visit "PerezHilton" forums. Maybe some of the people here is on the wrong forum?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Let's see the list of Lies that Tasos has told since December.
1. There will not be pre-orders
2. We will never announce a launch date we can't meet
3. You will get to try the game before you pay anything (free trial)
4. The press will be playing the game the first week of January
5. The game is feature complete in december. (except of course for all the features that aren't done yet).
So you guys really think there still could be a free trial? That there will be a stress test? That the NDA will be dropped before launch? That the press will be able to play the game and write about it?
To go alittle off-topic. The game is great and can speak for itself. I dont like when people asume the game must be crap because they dont like Tasos personality (wich have nothing to do with the game). I mean, are you for because you like MMOs or drama? This is a MMO site after all. My gf like drama, so she visit "PerezHilton" forums. Maybe some of the people here is on the wrong forum?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
Let's see the list of Lies that Tasos has told since December. 1. There will not be pre-orders
2. We will never announce a launch date we can't meet
3. You will get to try the game before you pay anything (free trial)
4. The press will be playing the game the first week of January
5. The game is feature complete in december. (except of course for all the features that aren't done yet). So you guys really think there still could be a free trial? That there will be a stress test? That the NDA will be dropped before launch? That the press will be able to play the game and write about it?
Why does everyone think there will be a trial? I must've missed something... can you find the original source where he said that please?
Let's see the list of Lies that Tasos has told since December. 1. There will not be pre-orders
2. We will never announce a launch date we can't meet
3. You will get to try the game before you pay anything (free trial)
4. The press will be playing the game the first week of January
5. The game is feature complete in december. (except of course for all the features that aren't done yet). So you guys really think there still could be a free trial? That there will be a stress test? That the NDA will be dropped before launch? That the press will be able to play the game and write about it?
Why does everyone think there will be a trial? I must've missed something... can you find the original source where he said that please?
Most of us are using the term ' free trial'. What he actually said is that players will be able to play the game for free before paying anything back in early December.
Let's see the list of Lies that Tasos has told since December. 1. There will not be pre-orders 2. We will never announce a launch date we can't meet 3. You will get to try the game before you pay anything (free trial) 4. The press will be playing the game the first week of January 5. The game is feature complete in december. (except of course for all the features that aren't done yet). So you guys really think there still could be a free trial? That there will be a stress test? That the NDA will be dropped before launch? That the press will be able to play the game and write about it?
Why does everyone think there will be a trial? I must've missed something... can you find the original source where he said that please?
Starting on January 22nd there will be a Darkfall trial with the distribution of the release candidate client allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free, help us stress test our servers and test the final features of the game.
Now,before we continue to discuss,please,seriously,explain something to me: Are the guys playing the game NOW,as we speak,in a closed beta,or sampling the game for free? If they are sampling the game,as a trial,there shouldn't have any NDA,AND,the old argument of "it's not implemented yet. Wait for the ubber patch in the release" it's not valid,because they ARE NOT experiencing the game,just a prototype of it. Are they in trial,fully experiencing darkfall,or just one more beta stage?
Let's see the list of Lies that Tasos has told since December. 1. There will not be pre-orders
2. We will never announce a launch date we can't meet
3. You will get to try the game before you pay anything (free trial)
4. The press will be playing the game the first week of January
5. The game is feature complete in december. (except of course for all the features that aren't done yet). So you guys really think there still could be a free trial? That there will be a stress test? That the NDA will be dropped before launch? That the press will be able to play the game and write about it?
To go alittle off-topic. The game is great and can speak for itself. I dont like when people asume the game must be crap because they dont like Tasos personality (wich have nothing to do with the game). I mean, are you for because you like MMOs or drama? This is a MMO site after all. My gf like drama, so she visit "PerezHilton" forums. Maybe some of the people here is on the wrong forum?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
That's absolutely right, and that's fucking bad. Especially when you're making a Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Guess what that means? There will be people playing it...thousands, hundreds of thousands of people, and if you don't tell them what's going on, they're not going to trust you nor respect you. But yeah, this is all just a publicity stunt. It's irrelevant in the end because being the beta tester that I am, I know Darkfall is truly wonderful and the only thing bad about it is Tasos.
Let's see the list of Lies that Tasos has told since December.
1. There will not be pre-orders
2. We will never announce a launch date we can't meet
3. You will get to try the game before you pay anything (free trial)
4. The press will be playing the game the first week of January
5. The game is feature complete in december. (except of course for all the features that aren't done yet).
So you guys really think there still could be a free trial? That there will be a stress test? That the NDA will be dropped before launch? That the press will be able to play the game and write about it?
Why does everyone think there will be a trial? I must've missed something... can you find the original source where he said that please?
Starting on January 22nd there will be a Darkfall trial with the distribution of the release candidate client allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free, help us stress test our servers and test the final features of the game.
Now,before we continue to discuss,please,seriously,explain something to me: Are the guys playing the game NOW,as we speak,in a closed beta,or sampling the game for free? If they are sampling the game,as a trial,there shouldn't have any NDA,AND,the old argument of "it's not implemented yet. Wait for the ubber patch in the release" it's not valid,because they ARE NOT experiencing the game,just a prototype of it. Are they in trial,fully experiencing darkfall,or just one more beta stage?
Ah I see... so he said trial when what he actually meant was closed beta / stresstest.
No! He said trial because they thought they would have a trial up and running. He knows the difference between trial and beta. Why does everyone try to make excuses for this guy?
To go alittle off-topic. The game is great and can speak for itself. I dont like when people asume the game must be crap because they dont like Tasos personality (wich have nothing to do with the game). I mean, are you for because you like MMOs or drama? This is a MMO site after all. My gf like drama, so she visit "PerezHilton" forums. Maybe some of the people here is on the wrong forum?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
whaaaa. dont bring the devs into this.???
were you even born with a brain.
They have thier man TASOS speaking at will about the game and how awsome it will be. Hes hyping every one HES SPEAKING FOR THE DAMN GAME YOU DOLT.
the game does not speak for itself when it has someone presenting it to the masses and then keeping it under a cover.
ITs the same thing like going to buy a car. a siluette of a car is covered up well it looks like a car. The dealer comes and tells you how fucking awsome the car is, all of its features and what it can do. He doesnt let you see the car and tries to convince you to buy it. Tells you only when you purchase it you can see it and drive it.
would you fall for that. NO. The same senario is being presented to us by Tasos he has his game covered up. he speaks of the glorious wonders of it. He keeps it in secret. Now he expect people to pay for it while breaking all the promises made .
Oh and the part as for beer. well guess what beer is made by huge batches. and it does have its employees who do test the beer. If it was poorly made the whole batch is discarded. If a company plans to release a new food or drink to the market. it is tested, if it cannot pass a taste test it wont be released in the mass market.
As for the "many mmos with no open beta" well guess what most of those mmos are free to pay and have been released somewhere in the world way before it made it here. Also all the games who skipped their open beta/stresstest phases were all complete hyped crappy games.
but then there are always gullable morons. people who fall for anything. Just look at Vanguard. the nda was even lifted and many people foolishly flocked to the game knowing it was bugged to hell. The same will happen here.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
10 days till release, still nda. No word on free trials, just preorders, collect cash and fly to caribes.
Who is going to be a fool to preorder this game?
Just your nickname make your arguments invalid
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I find it funny that all the people whining on here that they have not been given a free trail are the ones saying it's all BS and jumping up and down making quotes sound like we have to go to court to sue Tasos for not keeping his word.
Well if you read his post he also say 200k apps far more than they expected and he said they will have problems dealing with all these people so if you look at it from a business model the pre-order while not ideal will give them a good idea how many they will have and need to cater for. All the people saying they are not pre-ordering will be doing the pre-order people a world of good as it will allow them who really want to try the game out the opportunity too.
Now for these no believers to condem the people who want to believe is just immature imo and it is rediculous to keep complaining and moaning about something like a game, have you guys nothing better to do than waste time bitching to people who want or are trying to believe, surely it is for those people to decide if they want to commit and not for you other to preach otherwise and the reverse of course. Now they are not telling you people to pre-order so why are you trying to prevent them from doing so it don't make sense to me.
Clearly there are issuse to be dealt with from both prospectives but to continue slating a product we still know little about and continuing to scream drop the NDA is a fruitless waste of time Tasos is not coming to MMORPG to read the complaints. Do you know why as he has a game to finish so the only people reading this are the daily people who use MMORPG and while this site has always had many people who complain 24/7 over little things it is kinda sad how the standards on this site have dropped so much over this game, it pure madness and the sooner this game hits the streets the better and we can get back to some normality if at all possible...
To go alittle off-topic. The game is great and can speak for itself. I dont like when people asume the game must be crap because they dont like Tasos personality (wich have nothing to do with the game). I mean, are you for because you like MMOs or drama? This is a MMO site after all. My gf like drama, so she visit "PerezHilton" forums. Maybe some of the people here is on the wrong forum?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
whaaaa. dont bring the devs into this.???
were you even born with a brain.
They have thier man TASOS speaking at will about the game and how awsome it will be. Hes hyping every one HES SPEAKING FOR THE DAMN GAME YOU DOLT.
the game does not speak for itself when it has someone presenting it to the masses and then keeping it under a cover.
ITs the same thing like going to buy a car. a siluette of a car is covered up well it looks like a car. The dealer comes and tells you how fucking awsome the car is, all of its features and what it can do. He doesnt let you see the car and tries to convince you to buy it. Tells you only when you purchase it you can see it and drive it.
would you fall for that. NO. The same senario is being presented to us by Tasos he has his game covered up. he speaks of the glorious wonders of it. He keeps it in secret. Now he expect people to pay for it while breaking all the promises made .
Oh and the part as for beer. well guess what beer is made by huge batches. and it does have its employees who do test the beer. If it was poorly made the whole batch is discarded. If a company plans to release a new food or drink to the market. it is tested, if it cannot pass a taste test it wont be released in the mass market.
As for the "many mmos with no open beta" well guess what most of those mmos are free to pay and have been released somewhere in the world way before it made it here. Also all the games who skipped their open beta/stresstest phases were all complete hyped crappy games.
but then there are always gullable morons. people who fall for anything. Just look at Vanguard. the nda was even lifted and many people foolishly flocked to the game knowing it was bugged to hell. The same will happen here.
But Vanguard survived and is now thriving. No, it doesn't have WoW numbers but I bet it is SOE's #2 game in terms of population at the moment. There's a dedicated fan base because Vanguard had TONS of potential. And, while that don't mean crap in the world of MMOs, at least people can recognze that something sincere and different was trying to be done before the game became WoWified. This could be the same with Darkfall. As much as I want it to succeed from launch date, it might not and all it will have left are people who see something special about it and stick with it, for better or worse. I think you're a total idiot for calling people morons for liking Vanguard. And, no, I don't play it.
But Vanguard survived and is now thriving. No, it doesn't have WoW numbers but I bet it is SOE's #2 game in terms of population at the moment. There's a dedicated fan base because Vanguard had TONS of potential. And, while that don't mean crap in the world of MMOs, at least people can recognze that something sincere and different was trying to be done before the game became WoWified. This could be the same with Darkfall. As much as I want it to succeed from launch date, it might not and all it will have left are people who see something special about it and stick with it, for better or worse. I think you're a total idiot for calling people morons for liking Vanguard. And, no, I don't play it.
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Originally posted by maxnrosy But then there are always gullable morons. people who fall for anything. Just look at Vanguard. the nda was even lifted and many people foolishly flocked to the game knowing it was bugged to hell. The same will happen here.
Maxnrosy I am offended by your comments and I object to you calling me a Moron for playing a game which I happen to enjoy and like many games which had a bad start I played it until I failed to have any more fun and as some changes I did not agree with but what gives you the right to call me a Moron for playing a game I enjoyed.
I beta tested VG and carried on after release to try to make the game I wanted and the game gave me many hours of fun with freinds and guild members alike and the community helped in that game, this proves that if you all pull in the right direction instead of just criticising that you can get where you want to. There has never been a game which has started badly from day one without the help of the player base to get where they wanted. So for you to call people a moron just proves what sort of person you are and how tolerant you are towards game developers full stop.
all you people whining and crying over this game absolutely suck. the amount of ignorance that is rampant in this forum is astounding. if the game were really that good or that bad there would be hundreds of thousands of posts not just handful from a select group of people. noone posting here has any credible information on or about this game at this time.
everyone needs to stop shitting their depends and wait for the game to come out and then make a decision.
10 days till release, still nda. No word on free trials, just preorders, collect cash and fly to caribes.
Who is going to be a fool to preorder this game?
Not people like you, thankfully.
"Waah its been two days already, thats an eternity!! Where is everything."
-Darkstar
Are you still smoking same weed like in the days when you believed Tasos there will be open beta, free trial etc..? I see it bangs you pretty well even now.
Free trial ??
When has anyone ever asked for free trial? When has a new mmo EVER given anyone free trials ?
Sure after 2 or three months, but on release? are u smoking crack?
-Darkstar
Well Tasos did promise one, he clearly said, anyone who wants to try Darkfall will be able to before they purchase.
The questions YOU should ask yourself.
When was the last time a MMO released with less than 2000 beta testers?
When was the last time a MMO released where they publicly stated they didnt have the money to make more than one server?
When was the last time a NDA was kept up till the end?
When was the last time there were no journalist previews?
When was the last time there were this little information about launch?
AoC at this point in time had Server names, # of servers, Time of launch, System Reqs, multiple previews from MULTIPLE big media outlets, the option for damn near everyone to try it early with Early access (prior to paying more than 5 bucks), and the list goes on and on... and that was from a game most people consider to be a complete and utter failure.
DF has none of the above, yet is supposed to be a gaming oasis of perfection.
I desperately hope it is, cause it will be the first MMO since eve thats main stream and based on skill system with open pvp.
My only concern is that AV has no money, can support demand, and if the initial sell doesnt go well will shut down.... this scare me and many others off of buying the game... simply cause the only thing worse than being disapointed by a game, is buying it, loving it, only to have it shut down cause the devs dont have the resources to continue.
10 days till release, still nda. No word on free trials, just preorders, collect cash and fly to caribes.
Who is going to be a fool to preorder this game?
Not people like you, thankfully.
"Waah its been two days already, thats an eternity!! Where is everything."
-Darkstar
Are you still smoking same weed like in the days when you believed Tasos there will be open beta, free trial etc..? I see it bangs you pretty well even now.
Free trial ??
When has anyone ever asked for free trial? When has a new mmo EVER given anyone free trials ?
Sure after 2 or three months, but on release? are u smoking crack?
-Darkstar
Well Tasos did promise one, he clearly said, anyone who wants to try Darkfall will be able to before they purchase.
The questions YOU should ask yourself.
When was the last time a MMO released with less than 2000 beta testers?
When was the last time a MMO released where they publicly stated they didnt have the money to make more than one server?
When was the last time a NDA was kept up till the end?
When was the last time there were no journalist previews?
When was the last time there were this little information about launch?
AoC at this point in time had Server names, # of servers, Time of launch, System Reqs, multiple previews from MULTIPLE big media outlets, the option for damn near everyone to try it early with Early access (prior to paying more than 5 bucks), and the list goes on and on... and that was from a game most people consider to be a complete and utter failure.
DF has none of the above, yet is supposed to be a gaming oasis of perfection.
I desperately hope it is, cause it will be the first MMO since eve thats main stream and based on skill system with open pvp.
My only concern is that AV has no money, can support demand, and if the initial sell doesnt go well will shut down.... this scare me and many others off of buying the game... simply cause the only thing worse than being disapointed by a game, is buying it, loving it, only to have it shut down cause the devs dont have the resources to continue.
Actually he did say that everyone should be able to try the game before buying it. He did this way back in early december as far as I recall. The "thousands" you refer to was in the january 22 statement and could be taken as backing off the earlier claim that everyone should be able to test it.
What would be great is if Tasos could actually make clear statements where he apologizes for earlier statements that they might have been wrong and can't offer open beta due to the sheer number of players that wants in, or whatever excuse, just a clear statement so that we know.
What is also troubleing is the very very dated webpage, I for one wanted Darkfall to succeed not because of it being ffa pvp but because of the huge interactive very in-depth world that was promised, for everyone from huge guilds to soloers and from crafters to combat players, from exploring to lots of interesting quests. All this is still promised on their website, yet those of us who follow leaks and discussions know that this is not what is in game.
I am also worried about customer support and a cultural clash, is it maybe that Tasos is simply "greek" in his attitude in communicating? I don't mean anything bad about greeks, just that they might have a different idea about customer support and maybe a different tradition in how they communicate with customers. Any greek that would be able to comment on this? (Living in Sweden myself, and the style of communication from Darkfall does not feel norwegian to me, Age of Conan was developed by a norwegian company and no matter what you think about that game, they communicated well up to release!).
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Not people like you, thankfully.
-Darkstar
Are you still smoking same weed like in the days when you believed Tasos there will be open beta, free trial etc..? I see it bangs you pretty well even now.
Free trial ??
When has anyone ever asked for free trial? When has a new mmo EVER given anyone free trials ?
Sure after 2 or three months, but on release? are u smoking crack?
-Darkstar
Maybe you need to read what Taos has said.And stop playing on both ends of the stick..
I read some of your post and they are misleading just like Taos misleads the community.
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
I don't know, this has nothing to do with the post. Im not a generic fanboi who will defend all the points of the game, i never have been, so stop throwing in new arguments that has nothing to do with what is being discussed.
If I where to guess id say they will have open beta the last 7 days of the game.
But I dont know, maybe they wont do that.
And u dont know either since the game isnt out yet.
I know Tasos said he WANTED to allow ppl to try the game but if its not possible thats not going to happen, obviously.
Regardless the point here is that new mmo's dont have free trails at start.
Open Betas yes, but thats COMPLETELY different.
-Darkstar
Exactly my point.
And what Darkstar said
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Let's see the list of Lies that Tasos has told since December.
1. There will not be pre-orders
2. We will never announce a launch date we can't meet
3. You will get to try the game before you pay anything (free trial)
4. The press will be playing the game the first week of January
5. The game is feature complete in december. (except of course for all the features that aren't done yet).
So you guys really think there still could be a free trial? That there will be a stress test? That the NDA will be dropped before launch? That the press will be able to play the game and write about it?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
Why does everyone think there will be a trial? I must've missed something... can you find the original source where he said that please?
Why does everyone think there will be a trial? I must've missed something... can you find the original source where he said that please?
Most of us are using the term ' free trial'. What he actually said is that players will be able to play the game for free before paying anything back in early December.
Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=106082
Starting on January 22nd there will be a Darkfall trial with the distribution of the release candidate client allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free, help us stress test our servers and test the final features of the game.
Now,before we continue to discuss,please,seriously,explain something to me: Are the guys playing the game NOW,as we speak,in a closed beta,or sampling the game for free? If they are sampling the game,as a trial,there shouldn't have any NDA,AND,the old argument of "it's not implemented yet. Wait for the ubber patch in the release" it's not valid,because they ARE NOT experiencing the game,just a prototype of it. Are they in trial,fully experiencing darkfall,or just one more beta stage?
LOL at this, LOL.......
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
That's absolutely right, and that's fucking bad. Especially when you're making a Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Guess what that means? There will be people playing it...thousands, hundreds of thousands of people, and if you don't tell them what's going on, they're not going to trust you nor respect you. But yeah, this is all just a publicity stunt. It's irrelevant in the end because being the beta tester that I am, I know Darkfall is truly wonderful and the only thing bad about it is Tasos.
Lol.
Why does everyone think there will be a trial? I must've missed something... can you find the original source where he said that please?
Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=106082
Starting on January 22nd there will be a Darkfall trial with the distribution of the release candidate client allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free, help us stress test our servers and test the final features of the game.
Now,before we continue to discuss,please,seriously,explain something to me: Are the guys playing the game NOW,as we speak,in a closed beta,or sampling the game for free? If they are sampling the game,as a trial,there shouldn't have any NDA,AND,the old argument of "it's not implemented yet. Wait for the ubber patch in the release" it's not valid,because they ARE NOT experiencing the game,just a prototype of it. Are they in trial,fully experiencing darkfall,or just one more beta stage?
Ah I see... so he said trial when what he actually meant was closed beta / stresstest.
No! He said trial because they thought they would have a trial up and running. He knows the difference between trial and beta. Why does everyone try to make excuses for this guy?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
whaaaa. dont bring the devs into this.???
were you even born with a brain.
They have thier man TASOS speaking at will about the game and how awsome it will be. Hes hyping every one HES SPEAKING FOR THE DAMN GAME YOU DOLT.
the game does not speak for itself when it has someone presenting it to the masses and then keeping it under a cover.
ITs the same thing like going to buy a car. a siluette of a car is covered up well it looks like a car. The dealer comes and tells you how fucking awsome the car is, all of its features and what it can do. He doesnt let you see the car and tries to convince you to buy it. Tells you only when you purchase it you can see it and drive it.
would you fall for that. NO. The same senario is being presented to us by Tasos he has his game covered up. he speaks of the glorious wonders of it. He keeps it in secret. Now he expect people to pay for it while breaking all the promises made .
Oh and the part as for beer. well guess what beer is made by huge batches. and it does have its employees who do test the beer. If it was poorly made the whole batch is discarded. If a company plans to release a new food or drink to the market. it is tested, if it cannot pass a taste test it wont be released in the mass market.
As for the "many mmos with no open beta" well guess what most of those mmos are free to pay and have been released somewhere in the world way before it made it here. Also all the games who skipped their open beta/stresstest phases were all complete hyped crappy games.
but then there are always gullable morons. people who fall for anything. Just look at Vanguard. the nda was even lifted and many people foolishly flocked to the game knowing it was bugged to hell. The same will happen here.
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Just your nickname make your arguments invalid
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Kind of, just without the rapist.
I find it funny that all the people whining on here that they have not been given a free trail are the ones saying it's all BS and jumping up and down making quotes sound like we have to go to court to sue Tasos for not keeping his word.
Well if you read his post he also say 200k apps far more than they expected and he said they will have problems dealing with all these people so if you look at it from a business model the pre-order while not ideal will give them a good idea how many they will have and need to cater for. All the people saying they are not pre-ordering will be doing the pre-order people a world of good as it will allow them who really want to try the game out the opportunity too.
Now for these no believers to condem the people who want to believe is just immature imo and it is rediculous to keep complaining and moaning about something like a game, have you guys nothing better to do than waste time bitching to people who want or are trying to believe, surely it is for those people to decide if they want to commit and not for you other to preach otherwise and the reverse of course. Now they are not telling you people to pre-order so why are you trying to prevent them from doing so it don't make sense to me.
Clearly there are issuse to be dealt with from both prospectives but to continue slating a product we still know little about and continuing to scream drop the NDA is a fruitless waste of time Tasos is not coming to MMORPG to read the complaints. Do you know why as he has a game to finish so the only people reading this are the daily people who use MMORPG and while this site has always had many people who complain 24/7 over little things it is kinda sad how the standards on this site have dropped so much over this game, it pure madness and the sooner this game hits the streets the better and we can get back to some normality if at all possible...
Bandit.
Asbo
Just your nickname make your arguments invalid
10 days till release, still nda.
No word on free trials, just preorders, collect cash and fly to caribes.
Who is going to be a fool to preorder this game?
Thankfully, since I don't have a name like dark_fail09, my argument is valid. Care to offer a logical response?
Tasos and the other Devs at Aventurine disagree with you. How do I know that?
The NDA is still firmly in place.
If they thought the game could speak for itself... the NDA would be lifted. Until the NDA is lifted... the game CAN NOT speak for itself. That is the main problem right now.
Dont bring the devs into this, you dont know anything about them or what they're doing..
I still think the whole nda-secrecy thing is their way to advertise their game... There's so many leakers and trolls around now that anyone who didn't hear about DFO probably doesnt have internet.
whaaaa. dont bring the devs into this.???
were you even born with a brain.
They have thier man TASOS speaking at will about the game and how awsome it will be. Hes hyping every one HES SPEAKING FOR THE DAMN GAME YOU DOLT.
the game does not speak for itself when it has someone presenting it to the masses and then keeping it under a cover.
ITs the same thing like going to buy a car. a siluette of a car is covered up well it looks like a car. The dealer comes and tells you how fucking awsome the car is, all of its features and what it can do. He doesnt let you see the car and tries to convince you to buy it. Tells you only when you purchase it you can see it and drive it.
would you fall for that. NO. The same senario is being presented to us by Tasos he has his game covered up. he speaks of the glorious wonders of it. He keeps it in secret. Now he expect people to pay for it while breaking all the promises made .
Oh and the part as for beer. well guess what beer is made by huge batches. and it does have its employees who do test the beer. If it was poorly made the whole batch is discarded. If a company plans to release a new food or drink to the market. it is tested, if it cannot pass a taste test it wont be released in the mass market.
As for the "many mmos with no open beta" well guess what most of those mmos are free to pay and have been released somewhere in the world way before it made it here. Also all the games who skipped their open beta/stresstest phases were all complete hyped crappy games.
but then there are always gullable morons. people who fall for anything. Just look at Vanguard. the nda was even lifted and many people foolishly flocked to the game knowing it was bugged to hell. The same will happen here.
But Vanguard survived and is now thriving. No, it doesn't have WoW numbers but I bet it is SOE's #2 game in terms of population at the moment. There's a dedicated fan base because Vanguard had TONS of potential. And, while that don't mean crap in the world of MMOs, at least people can recognze that something sincere and different was trying to be done before the game became WoWified. This could be the same with Darkfall. As much as I want it to succeed from launch date, it might not and all it will have left are people who see something special about it and stick with it, for better or worse. I think you're a total idiot for calling people morons for liking Vanguard. And, no, I don't play it.
Eq has the most
Eq2 second most
SwG third most
PotBS 4th most
Vanguard 5th most
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Maxnrosy I am offended by your comments and I object to you calling me a Moron for playing a game which I happen to enjoy and like many games which had a bad start I played it until I failed to have any more fun and as some changes I did not agree with but what gives you the right to call me a Moron for playing a game I enjoyed.
I beta tested VG and carried on after release to try to make the game I wanted and the game gave me many hours of fun with freinds and guild members alike and the community helped in that game, this proves that if you all pull in the right direction instead of just criticising that you can get where you want to. There has never been a game which has started badly from day one without the help of the player base to get where they wanted. So for you to call people a moron just proves what sort of person you are and how tolerant you are towards game developers full stop.
Bandit.
Asbo
all you people whining and crying over this game absolutely suck. the amount of ignorance that is rampant in this forum is astounding. if the game were really that good or that bad there would be hundreds of thousands of posts not just handful from a select group of people. noone posting here has any credible information on or about this game at this time.
everyone needs to stop shitting their depends and wait for the game to come out and then make a decision.
Not people like you, thankfully.
-Darkstar
Are you still smoking same weed like in the days when you believed Tasos there will be open beta, free trial etc..? I see it bangs you pretty well even now.
Free trial ??
When has anyone ever asked for free trial? When has a new mmo EVER given anyone free trials ?
Sure after 2 or three months, but on release? are u smoking crack?
-Darkstar
Well Tasos did promise one, he clearly said, anyone who wants to try Darkfall will be able to before they purchase.
The questions YOU should ask yourself.
When was the last time a MMO released with less than 2000 beta testers?
When was the last time a MMO released where they publicly stated they didnt have the money to make more than one server?
When was the last time a NDA was kept up till the end?
When was the last time there were no journalist previews?
When was the last time there were this little information about launch?
AoC at this point in time had Server names, # of servers, Time of launch, System Reqs, multiple previews from MULTIPLE big media outlets, the option for damn near everyone to try it early with Early access (prior to paying more than 5 bucks), and the list goes on and on... and that was from a game most people consider to be a complete and utter failure.
DF has none of the above, yet is supposed to be a gaming oasis of perfection.
I desperately hope it is, cause it will be the first MMO since eve thats main stream and based on skill system with open pvp.
My only concern is that AV has no money, can support demand, and if the initial sell doesnt go well will shut down.... this scare me and many others off of buying the game... simply cause the only thing worse than being disapointed by a game, is buying it, loving it, only to have it shut down cause the devs dont have the resources to continue.
Not people like you, thankfully.
-Darkstar
Are you still smoking same weed like in the days when you believed Tasos there will be open beta, free trial etc..? I see it bangs you pretty well even now.
Free trial ??
When has anyone ever asked for free trial? When has a new mmo EVER given anyone free trials ?
Sure after 2 or three months, but on release? are u smoking crack?
-Darkstar
Well Tasos did promise one, he clearly said, anyone who wants to try Darkfall will be able to before they purchase.
The questions YOU should ask yourself.
When was the last time a MMO released with less than 2000 beta testers?
When was the last time a MMO released where they publicly stated they didnt have the money to make more than one server?
When was the last time a NDA was kept up till the end?
When was the last time there were no journalist previews?
When was the last time there were this little information about launch?
AoC at this point in time had Server names, # of servers, Time of launch, System Reqs, multiple previews from MULTIPLE big media outlets, the option for damn near everyone to try it early with Early access (prior to paying more than 5 bucks), and the list goes on and on... and that was from a game most people consider to be a complete and utter failure.
DF has none of the above, yet is supposed to be a gaming oasis of perfection.
I desperately hope it is, cause it will be the first MMO since eve thats main stream and based on skill system with open pvp.
My only concern is that AV has no money, can support demand, and if the initial sell doesnt go well will shut down.... this scare me and many others off of buying the game... simply cause the only thing worse than being disapointed by a game, is buying it, loving it, only to have it shut down cause the devs dont have the resources to continue.
No, he said thousands of players not EVERYONE.
There are more than 2000 players in beta afaik.
I highly doubt there is anymore than around 1,000 people who have actually logged into Darkfall beta.
But even if it is over 2,000 - you don't think that is totally pathetic?
You cannot stress test with a few thousand players. You need tens of thousands.
Actually he did say that everyone should be able to try the game before buying it. He did this way back in early december as far as I recall. The "thousands" you refer to was in the january 22 statement and could be taken as backing off the earlier claim that everyone should be able to test it.
What would be great is if Tasos could actually make clear statements where he apologizes for earlier statements that they might have been wrong and can't offer open beta due to the sheer number of players that wants in, or whatever excuse, just a clear statement so that we know.
What is also troubleing is the very very dated webpage, I for one wanted Darkfall to succeed not because of it being ffa pvp but because of the huge interactive very in-depth world that was promised, for everyone from huge guilds to soloers and from crafters to combat players, from exploring to lots of interesting quests. All this is still promised on their website, yet those of us who follow leaks and discussions know that this is not what is in game.
I am also worried about customer support and a cultural clash, is it maybe that Tasos is simply "greek" in his attitude in communicating? I don't mean anything bad about greeks, just that they might have a different idea about customer support and maybe a different tradition in how they communicate with customers. Any greek that would be able to comment on this? (Living in Sweden myself, and the style of communication from Darkfall does not feel norwegian to me, Age of Conan was developed by a norwegian company and no matter what you think about that game, they communicated well up to release!).