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Biggest MMO Disaster

Many of you may be wondering why I put up EQ2 up there because some dont see it in a disaster per say...but EQ was legendary, its sequel was supposed to be everything EQ was and plus more, it wasnt and went up against the behemoth world of warcraft, EQ2 may have a nice player base but I Still think in more ways then one you can say it was a disaster.

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  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112

    Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently I think that's a clear winner. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.

     

    Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please. Or should i say trolls

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316
    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.
     
    I think that's a clear winner. Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please

     

    Darkfall will be released in 5 days and we already know the bulk about it.

  • eosyneeosyne Member UncommonPosts: 392

    dark and light should have won that.

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  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112
    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.
     
    I think that's a clear winner. Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please

     

    Darkfall will be released in 5 days and we already know the bulk about it.

     

    You know dick. Even if it fails at launch it could very possible be around for years. Other failed mmorpgs has. Since it hasn't been released or given time to prove itself. The option is retarded and more added for trolling purposes than anything else. You know it, i know it. Why else post a general question in the Darkfall section.

  • RespitRespit Member Posts: 770

    Didn't vote.

    I would have to say AC2.

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  • RuynRuyn Member Posts: 1,052

    I don't know what drugs you are smoking, but Darkfall's launch is being done amazingly well.  They are an Indie company putting out a world class game and all of their advertising is viral.  They were expecting a niche following but are getting slammed with a high demand because the MMORPG community is starving for a quality product.

    Darkfall is here to stay, you should try it out.

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316

    To all the ass hats here giving me the run around saying I dont know this i dont know that, You are obviously new to the mmorpg scene, I have been around mmos for a long time now, I seen them come and seen them go, Darkfall is no different.

  • DethnobleDethnoble Member Posts: 419

    Though, many won't agree with me, I think Lord of the Rings Online should be up there.  Moreso than EQ2.  Having said that, I don't think  that LoTRO, EQ2 or any other MMO disaster can compare to Dark and Light.  DnL had a big budget, a budget probably around what Darkfall has but it's flop was so bad that it didn't even get out of the water far enough to flop.

    Even Mourning, which was a flop in itself, pales in comparison because it's budget was much lower than DnL.

    But, back to LoTRO.  The reason why I'm saying it's a huge flop is because it's essentially based off the biggest fantasy IP (especially after the blockbuster movies), was meant to be mainstream/casual but has yet to add new servers, announce milestones, etc.   I mean, you can say, hey look it got the game of the year award and it's company the company of the year award, but the problem with that is you're taking your poll sampling from one particular source. 

    LoTRO isn't a failure by any means, it's managed to release an expansion, and seems to be thriving pretty well.  But, when looking at it from the perspective that it was targeted at the mainstream/casual gamers but ended up being niche, it obviously flopping bigtime.

    A flop is relative to what you are comparing it to.  Dark and Light flops on so many levels but then you could look at it from the perspective that unlike UO2, Wish, Dragon Clans (I think that was the name of it) or a plethora of projects that had long development cycles but were cancelled, Dark and Light actually was launched.

     

    splat

  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112
    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    To all the ass hats here giving me the run around saying I dont know this i dont know that, You are obviously new to the mmorpg scene, I have been around mmos for a long time now, I seen them come and seen them go, Darkfall is no different.

     

    Obviously not long enough. From your ignorant statement i would say around EQ2 but most likely WoW

  • TeganxTeganx Member Posts: 401
    Originally posted by Ruyn


    I don't know what drugs you are smoking, but Darkfall's launch is being done amazingly well.  They are an Indie company putting out a world class game and all of their advertising is viral.  They were expecting a niche following but are getting slammed with a high demand because the MMORPG community is starving for a quality product.
    Darkfall is here to stay, you should try it out.

     

    QFT

    playing: darkfall
    waiting: earthrise

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316
    Originally posted by Dethnoble


    Though, many won't agree with me, I think Lord of the Rings Online should be up there.  Moreso than EQ2.  Having said that, I don't think  that LoTRO, EQ2 or any other MMO disaster can compare to Dark and Light.  DnL had a big budget, a budget probably around what Darkfall has but it's flop was so bad that it didn't even get out of the water far enough to flop.
    Even Mourning, which was a flop in itself, pales in comparison because it's budget was much lower than DnL.
    But, back to LoTRO.  The reason why I'm saying it's a huge flop is because it's essentially based off the biggest fantasy IP (especially after the blockbuster movies), was meant to be mainstream/casual but has yet to add new servers, announce milestones, etc.   I mean, you can say, hey look it got the game of the year award and it's company the company of the year award, but the problem with that is you're taking your poll sampling from one particular source. 
    LoTRO isn't a failure by any means, it's managed to release an expansion, and seems to be thriving pretty well.  But, when looking at it from the perspective that it was targeted at the mainstream/casual gamers but ended up being niche, it obviously flopping bigtime.
    A flop is relative to what you are comparing it to.  Dark and Light flops on so many levels but then you could look at it from the perspective that unlike UO2, Wish, Dragon Clans (I think that was the name of it) or a plethora of projects that had long development cycles but were cancelled, Dark and Light actually was launched.
     

     

    I did not put up WAR or LOTRO for the simple reason they were just trying to another WoW clone, easy simplistic nothing new, so I just didnt add them, they were not trying to go for something different, the games I put up tried to go for something different and hyped it and failed.

  • gamerman98gamerman98 Member UncommonPosts: 809


    Originally posted by Fibsdk
    Originally posted by Sneakers05
    Originally posted by Fibsdk Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.
     
    I think that's a clear winner. Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please
     
    Darkfall will be released in 5 days and we already know the bulk about it.


     
    You know dick. Even if it fails at launch it could very possible be around for years. Other failed mmorpgs has. Since it hasn't been released or given time to prove itself. The option is retarded and more added for trolling purposes than anything else. You know it, i know it. Why else post a general question in the Darkfall section. imageimageimageimage

    no...i dont think the option is retarded. the reason failed MMOs are still around is because those devs are having a hard time letting them go. DF will be the same way. it will be more dead AND worse than lets say SWG, but i am sure AV and tacos will be calling it a huge hit.

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316

    THere is no trial at all for darkfall, its a small indie based company, like dark and lights company, its getting very mixed reviews like dark and light, and most of the things i was expecting to be in darkfall were taken out, like dark and light.



    So why am i supposed to give 40$ upfront to a no name company with out even trying the game first?

  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112
    Originally posted by gamerman98


     

    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    Originally posted by Fibsdk
     
    Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.

     

    I think that's a clear winner. Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please





     

    Darkfall will be released in 5 days and we already know the bulk about it.





     

    You know dick. Even if it fails at launch it could very possible be around for years. Other failed mmorpgs has. Since it hasn't been released or given time to prove itself. The option is retarded and more added for trolling purposes than anything else. You know it, i know it. Why else post a general question in the Darkfall section.

     

    no...i dont think the option is retarded. the reason failed MMOs are still around is because those devs are having a hard time letting them go. DF will be the same way. it will be more dead AND worse than lets say SWG, but i am sure AV and tacos will be calling it a huge hit.

     

    Since people are still playing those games they are far from dead. If they are worth playing or low populated is irrelevant. I'm willing to bet they still make money. I'll gladly explain how a low populated game can still create an income if that confuses you. Hellgate London does not have an online option anymore making that a clear winner.

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316
    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by gamerman98


     

    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    Originally posted by Fibsdk
     
    Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.

     

    I think that's a clear winner. Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please





     

    Darkfall will be released in 5 days and we already know the bulk about it.





     

    You know dick. Even if it fails at launch it could very possible be around for years. Other failed mmorpgs has. Since it hasn't been released or given time to prove itself. The option is retarded and more added for trolling purposes than anything else. You know it, i know it. Why else post a general question in the Darkfall section.

     

    no...i dont think the option is retarded. the reason failed MMOs are still around is because those devs are having a hard time letting them go. DF will be the same way. it will be more dead AND worse than lets say SWG, but i am sure AV and tacos will be calling it a huge hit.

     

    Since people are still playing those games they are far from dead. If they are worth playing or low populated is irrelevant. I'm willing to bet they still make money. I'll gladly explain how a low populated game can still create an income if that confuses you. Hellgate London does not have an online option anymore making that a clear winner.

     

    Only very small few people still play those games, most of gamers that play them are very old players to the game and developed friend ships with others and made a small community inviting friends. Just cause the game is still being played does not mean the game isnt a epic failure. Hell even some people played Sims online for a long time

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    I think much of Darkfalls success will depend on if the developers stick to their guns and fix the game or cave in to carebear demands once the game goes live. They will have a flood of the carebear/I didn't pay for this crowd unleashing bear fury on them to make changes like adding quests and "safe" triggers and threatening to cancel subscriptions. If they stick to keeping the primary focus on pvp elements the game should do ok.

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  • DethnobleDethnoble Member Posts: 419

    With further thought, this poll is null and void due to the fact that it presents, and has votes for based upon predictions when this is obviously a 'snapshot of now' due to faulty options.  Darkfall, by being an option and voted upon, ultimately makes this poll erronous.

    This is empirical truth.   I don't feel like getting in a debate about this, but if anyone is foolish enough to debate me on this, I'm warning you that you'll end up looking like a fool. =/

    splat

  • RuynRuyn Member Posts: 1,052

    So far in beta, I have had some of the most fun that I have ever had in a video game. 

     

    I'm in a clan and we are at war with a few different clans.  When your at War with someone you don't take alignment hits for killing them.  Well I get attacked and eventually killed by a number of people.  They take all of my gear.  I have some other guildies nearby and we track em down and kill them and take back my gear....IT WAS SUCH AN ADRENALINE RUSH.  I've been in a few large, 50 plus people battles/sieges and they are great fun.  Last night we raided a hamlet and it was only defended by 10 guys.  They see our first bunch of scouts cross the bridge, but then realize we have four groups of 10 or so, very well organized.

     

    What I'm saying, with the risk, comes the reward.  This game will reward you.

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316
    Originally posted by Briansho


    I think much of Darkfalls success will depend on if the developers stick to their guns and fix the game or cave in to carebear demands once the game goes live. They will have a flood of the carebear/I didn't pay for this crowd unleashing bear fury on them to make changes like adding quests and "safe" triggers and threatening to cancel subscriptions. If they stick to keeping the primary focus on pvp elements the game should do ok.

     

    I wish they would of focus more on the sandbox this game was supposed to be than JUST a pvp game.

  • hayes303hayes303 Member UncommonPosts: 434

    I disagree with the EQ2 thing. Most people are under the false assumption that they planned on competing with WoW, but if you look at what SOE was saying up to launch, their intent was to garner 250k-300k subs and then maintain them. They also spent about 10 times less than blizz developing it. I haven't played EQ2 for years, but I remember the launch going well and the pop staying pretty stable for the 2 yrs I played it.

     

    If we're looking at a game that was dead in the water at launch, you have to give Vanguard the props. Not just was it released about 1/2way done, but McQuaid, after shooting his mouth off for the year or so leading up to launch about how Old school/inovative/hardcore his game was (and all kinds of SOE hate), had to crawl back to SOE to sell them the game.

    Luckily, no other gaming company has allowed a single person to run amok, promising things and over-hyping a game that isn't even out yet to a cartoonish degree.  That kind of stuff can spark forum wars.

  • 2pure2pure Member UncommonPosts: 23

    I would have to say WISH was the biggest flop.  I'm not sure many people remember it, but all I can say is fail.

  • BorkotronBorkotron Member Posts: 282

    This game will not be a disaster. This game is not for everyone and thus the very mixed reviews. However, those who do like the game admit to the flaws but still remain very optimistic because the game is fun. That's says a lot as opposed to beta testers jumping ship left and right.

    The general consensus is that this game is very fun and most beta testers are going to stick around for the long haul. So, biggest MMO disaster, I think not!

  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112
    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by gamerman98


     

    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    Originally posted by Fibsdk
     
    Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.

     

    I think that's a clear winner. Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please





     

    Darkfall will be released in 5 days and we already know the bulk about it.





     

    You know dick. Even if it fails at launch it could very possible be around for years. Other failed mmorpgs has. Since it hasn't been released or given time to prove itself. The option is retarded and more added for trolling purposes than anything else. You know it, i know it. Why else post a general question in the Darkfall section.

     

    no...i dont think the option is retarded. the reason failed MMOs are still around is because those devs are having a hard time letting them go. DF will be the same way. it will be more dead AND worse than lets say SWG, but i am sure AV and tacos will be calling it a huge hit.

     

    Since people are still playing those games they are far from dead. If they are worth playing or low populated is irrelevant. I'm willing to bet they still make money. I'll gladly explain how a low populated game can still create an income if that confuses you. Hellgate London does not have an online option anymore making that a clear winner.

     

    Only very small few people still play those games, most of gamers that play them are very old players to the game and developed friend ships with others and made a small community inviting friends. Just cause the game is still being played does not mean the game isnt a epic failure. Hell even some people played Sims online for a long time

     

    The game were failures in the sense they missed the mark by a large margin. Over time lost many subscribers only sustaining a fraction of the playerbase. However that does not make them dead. Dead is dead. Server closed down unable to play dead. The games like Vanguard still generate an income because the company has downsized manpower and servers to the point where it is an actual income instead of an expense. Feel free to call them dead but that is not correct or even close. Hellgate London is Dead. More dead than anything on that list. Wish to dispute that?

     

    Putting Darkfall up there is a prediction or a hope. Not a fact. Unless the OP is related to nostradamus i say epic fail in trolling

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316
    Originally posted by hayes303


    I disagree with the EQ2 thing. Most people are under the false assumption that they planned on competing with WoW, but if you look at what SOE was saying up to launch, their intent was to garner 250k-300k subs and then maintain them. They also spent about 10 times less than blizz developing it. I haven't played EQ2 for years, but I remember the launch going well and the pop staying pretty stable for the 2 yrs I played it.
     
    If we're looking at a game that was dead in the water at launch, you have to give Vanguard the props. Not just was it released about 1/2way done, but McQuaid, after shooting his mouth off for the year or so leading up to launch about how Old school/inovative/hardcore his game was (and all kinds of SOE hate), had to crawl back to SOE to sell them the game.
    Luckily, no other gaming company has allowed a single person to run amok, promising things and over-hyping a game that isn't even out yet to a cartoonish degree.  That kind of stuff can spark forum wars.

     

    Reason I put it up as a failure was because people were expecting everquest what everquest was when it was released pre POP but a better one, people a lot were let down to what they finally had gotten.

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316
    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by gamerman98


     

    Originally posted by Fibsdk


    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    Originally posted by Fibsdk
     
    Since Hellgate London only lasted about 14 months before servers and forum closed permanently. 8 months after release Flagship Studios stopped subscriptions when it became clear they were going bankrupt.

     

    I think that's a clear winner. Darkfall hasn't been released yet to even be included in this vote. As for the rest they still exist with a low playerbase. Hellgate does not. But hey let the ignoramuses vote as they please





     

    Darkfall will be released in 5 days and we already know the bulk about it.





     

    You know dick. Even if it fails at launch it could very possible be around for years. Other failed mmorpgs has. Since it hasn't been released or given time to prove itself. The option is retarded and more added for trolling purposes than anything else. You know it, i know it. Why else post a general question in the Darkfall section.

     

    no...i dont think the option is retarded. the reason failed MMOs are still around is because those devs are having a hard time letting them go. DF will be the same way. it will be more dead AND worse than lets say SWG, but i am sure AV and tacos will be calling it a huge hit.

     

    Since people are still playing those games they are far from dead. If they are worth playing or low populated is irrelevant. I'm willing to bet they still make money. I'll gladly explain how a low populated game can still create an income if that confuses you. Hellgate London does not have an online option anymore making that a clear winner.

     

    Only very small few people still play those games, most of gamers that play them are very old players to the game and developed friend ships with others and made a small community inviting friends. Just cause the game is still being played does not mean the game isnt a epic failure. Hell even some people played Sims online for a long time

     

    The game were failures in the sense they missed the mark by a large margin. Over time lost many subscribers only sustaining a fraction of the playerbase. However that does not make them dead. Dead is dead. Server closed down unable to play dead. The games like Vanguard still generate an income because the company has downsized manpower and servers to the point where it is an actual income instead of an expense. Feel free to call them dead but that is not correct or even close. Hellgate London is Dead. More dead than anything on that list. Wish to dispute that?

     

    A disaster does not = dead. I am sure the creators of vanguard wish vanguard was not in its current position.

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