TCOS for the win ... you'll see true open world pvp... in tcos.. so wait and see and it's actualy dodge attack battles.. not a stat based game either and look at the lore. PURE QUALITY
CLOSED BETA FOR ACCLAIMS VERSION THIS WEEK if your lucky you could well get in...
AND THE IP BLOCK IS TO BE RELEASED SO EU AND US CAN PLAY TOGETHER!!!
Whilst I agree that TCOS does indeed have the best combat system yet seen in any MMO,its already dead and buried due to the sheer crapness of Acclaim and the IP blocks. The "open beta next week gusy LOL" statements from acclaim yet again have not come to fruition. No announcements,no keys sent out,no clue and its already thursday evening. Why dont the other publishers just unblock the other versions right now instead of waiting for Acclaim to pull their finger out? We'll be sitting here until xmas for Acclaim to begin their 'closed beta'. Theyre probably trying to re-engineer the client to run of their cheap crappy old servers or something.
I hope they get their arse into gear and get it out soon as possible,open up the ftp part a lot more,then do some advertising,or no one is going to even know it exists.
TCOS for the win ... you'll see true open world pvp... in tcos.. so wait and see and it's actualy dodge attack battles.. not a stat based game either and look at the lore. PURE QUALITY
CLOSED BETA FOR ACCLAIMS VERSION THIS WEEK if your lucky you could well get in...
AND THE IP BLOCK IS TO BE RELEASED SO EU AND US CAN PLAY TOGETHER!!!
Whilst I agree that TCOS does indeed have the best combat system yet seen in any MMO,its already dead and buried due to the sheer crapness of Acclaim and the IP blocks. The "open beta next week gusy LOL" statements from acclaim yet again have not come to fruition. No announcements,no keys sent out,no clue and its already thursday evening. Why dont the other publishers just unblock the other versions right now instead of waiting for Acclaim to pull their finger out? We'll be sitting here until xmas for Acclaim to begin their 'closed beta'. Theyre probably trying to re-engineer the client to run of their cheap crappy old servers or something.
I hope they get their arse into gear and get it out soon as possible,open up the ftp part a lot more,then do some advertising,or no one is going to even know it exists.
I have to agree with you about acclaim,let's hope they realise their stupidity. I was in TCOS beta for 16 months,yes much of that time the beta servers were not even up but it seems that all the hard work the indie dev team have put in will be rewarded.
The combat system takes a bit of getting use to but once you do,the combat is second to none.Aventurine need to take a good look at tcos combat system and how it should be done.
I vote mr bloodworth for the most ironic poster of the year award.
Yet you fail to see his point or answer his questions as well.
For myself, I had about 20 hours towards the end of beta of play time. I was not in beta, but used a friends account.
The game lacks depth and many skills lack utility. It is more about different ways to do direct damage rather then gaining tactical advantages and perfecting strategies.
Hopefully they will increase the utility components of combat (blocking, CC, coordination tactics) added the needed depth to make this an RPG rather then a giant CS knife fight. I will wait for the NA release before I make a final decision to play or scrap this game. In it's current state it is rather shallow in every aspect. This is fine for some people and I am glad they are having fun, but it falls far far short of the praise that some on here are giving it. Best MMO ever it clearly is not.
Having played both savage2 and DF, I agree with the OP... it does have more depth of combat even with the simple mechanics that have nothing to do with the tech tree (right click dodge/charge, active purposeful blocking, attack combos) that make even the most basic combat engaging.
I agree. Lots more work needs to be done on the DF combat system. It is far too simplistic at this point. This simplicity will kill the game in the long run. I would also say combat in DF is a tad too fast. Maybe it's just cuz I'm a lowbie fighting with light armour, but nothing has weight to it much like fighting in a game like Oblivion. I really wish the combat pacing was more on that level.
I look at it this way: either things get fixed and I play for years or they don't and I move on to a better version of Darkfall made by another developer.
I vote mr bloodworth for the most ironic poster of the year award.
Yet you fail to see his point or answer his questions as well.
For myself, I had about 20 hours towards the end of beta of play time. I was not in beta, but used a friends account.
The game lacks depth and many skills lack utility. It is more about different ways to do direct damage rather then gaining tactical advantages and perfecting strategies.
Hopefully they will increase the utility components of combat (blocking, CC, coordination tactics) added the needed depth to make this an RPG rather then a giant CS knife fight. I will wait for the NA release before I make a final decision to play or scrap this game. In it's current state it is rather shallow in every aspect. This is fine for some people and I am glad they are having fun, but it falls far far short of the praise that some on here are giving it. Best MMO ever it clearly is not.
Having played both savage2 and DF, I agree with the OP... it does have more depth of combat even with the simple mechanics that have nothing to do with the tech tree (right click dodge/charge, active purposeful blocking, attack combos) that make even the most basic combat engaging.
I did not fail to see his point.
I simply have not played savage 2 so I can not make any comparison.
he continued to avoid the question that was aked of him.
I also did not ever tell anyone what I think of the combat system in darkfall.
PS: bets mmo ever is a very subjective thing. sure they are not saying it is the best ever for THEM, but IMO that is kind of implied.
So you have nothing to add other than to try to disrupt a conversation.
Sweet.
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The only thing i can say to all this is if Savage 2 combat is more complex and fun than Darkfall's combat system, then that's all i need to know to avoid Darkfall. Because Savage 1 and 2 combat was the worst i have seen in a game to this date
Ok i've been playing Savage 2 all night and If an MMO had that type of combat I would freak. It's a very enjoyable experience. My one gripe with the whole game is the lack of classes and the low HP pools everyone has. I shouldnt be able to kill someone in less then 4 seconds. Increase the HP pools 300% and its perfect. If anyone here has never played Savage 2 download it now and lets kick some ass. It just went into my multiplayer folder only other games that deserve to be in that folder are CS, TF2, SC and thats how good the game is.
Savage 2 isn't really an MMO. I wonder why you are comparing apples and oranges.
I'm comparing depth of combat system. Darkfall was said to be a deep Real time Twitch based combat melee system.
Even at a basic level, not including skills, Savage 2 wins hands down. And it was created by a team of 16.
I am also comparing indi development with indi development.
As far as it not being an MMO, its dam close. It has levels, loot, gear, NPC's and quests (given by the RTS commander) and persistent stats.
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Savage 2 Just pointing out that i have no clue why people say the two swing combat of darkfall is so amazing. Comparison Video.
BTW darkfall isnt ment to be an FPS....
TY Sir... I have not laughed that hard in a long time....
I hope you are laughing at him, because darkfall has been pitched as a FPS style combat system. FPS does not only mean Quake or doom.
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That must be why they got on steam then. Your post, and mine are also irrelevant to this topic.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Alright. I'm not really here to defend Darkfall, just wanted to make it clear that you were discussing a game that is not an mmo on mmorpg.com
Only by a small technicality.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Savage 2 isn't really an MMO. I wonder why you are comparing apples and oranges.
The combat system is similar. It also does not bode well that a FPS/RTS game has more combat depth then an MMORPG.
really?
IMO any fps/rts has WAY more combat depth than any mmorpg I have EVER played has.
Savage 2 is a unique game.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Savage 2 isn't really an MMO. I wonder why you are comparing apples and oranges.
The combat system is similar. It also does not bode well that a FPS/RTS game has more combat depth then an MMORPG.
really?
IMO any fps/rts has WAY more combat depth than any mmorpg I have EVER played has.
Really... You think CS or UT has more combat depth then say EVE?
Some of the new shooters out there are incorporating RPG elements in order to add depth, but the standard RTS/FPS are not complex at all. They do require skill, but skill is not the same as depth.
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Whilst I agree that TCOS does indeed have the best combat system yet seen in any MMO,its already dead and buried due to the sheer crapness of Acclaim and the IP blocks. The "open beta next week gusy LOL" statements from acclaim yet again have not come to fruition. No announcements,no keys sent out,no clue and its already thursday evening. Why dont the other publishers just unblock the other versions right now instead of waiting for Acclaim to pull their finger out? We'll be sitting here until xmas for Acclaim to begin their 'closed beta'. Theyre probably trying to re-engineer the client to run of their cheap crappy old servers or something.
I hope they get their arse into gear and get it out soon as possible,open up the ftp part a lot more,then do some advertising,or no one is going to even know it exists.
Whilst I agree that TCOS does indeed have the best combat system yet seen in any MMO,its already dead and buried due to the sheer crapness of Acclaim and the IP blocks. The "open beta next week gusy LOL" statements from acclaim yet again have not come to fruition. No announcements,no keys sent out,no clue and its already thursday evening. Why dont the other publishers just unblock the other versions right now instead of waiting for Acclaim to pull their finger out? We'll be sitting here until xmas for Acclaim to begin their 'closed beta'. Theyre probably trying to re-engineer the client to run of their cheap crappy old servers or something.
I hope they get their arse into gear and get it out soon as possible,open up the ftp part a lot more,then do some advertising,or no one is going to even know it exists.
I have to agree with you about acclaim,let's hope they realise their stupidity. I was in TCOS beta for 16 months,yes much of that time the beta servers were not even up but it seems that all the hard work the indie dev team have put in will be rewarded.
The combat system takes a bit of getting use to but once you do,the combat is second to none.Aventurine need to take a good look at tcos combat system and how it should be done.
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Yet you fail to see his point or answer his questions as well.
For myself, I had about 20 hours towards the end of beta of play time. I was not in beta, but used a friends account.
The game lacks depth and many skills lack utility. It is more about different ways to do direct damage rather then gaining tactical advantages and perfecting strategies.
Hopefully they will increase the utility components of combat (blocking, CC, coordination tactics) added the needed depth to make this an RPG rather then a giant CS knife fight. I will wait for the NA release before I make a final decision to play or scrap this game. In it's current state it is rather shallow in every aspect. This is fine for some people and I am glad they are having fun, but it falls far far short of the praise that some on here are giving it. Best MMO ever it clearly is not.
Having played both savage2 and DF, I agree with the OP... it does have more depth of combat even with the simple mechanics that have nothing to do with the tech tree (right click dodge/charge, active purposeful blocking, attack combos) that make even the most basic combat engaging.
I agree. Lots more work needs to be done on the DF combat system. It is far too simplistic at this point. This simplicity will kill the game in the long run. I would also say combat in DF is a tad too fast. Maybe it's just cuz I'm a lowbie fighting with light armour, but nothing has weight to it much like fighting in a game like Oblivion. I really wish the combat pacing was more on that level.
I look at it this way: either things get fixed and I play for years or they don't and I move on to a better version of Darkfall made by another developer.
Yet you fail to see his point or answer his questions as well.
For myself, I had about 20 hours towards the end of beta of play time. I was not in beta, but used a friends account.
The game lacks depth and many skills lack utility. It is more about different ways to do direct damage rather then gaining tactical advantages and perfecting strategies.
Hopefully they will increase the utility components of combat (blocking, CC, coordination tactics) added the needed depth to make this an RPG rather then a giant CS knife fight. I will wait for the NA release before I make a final decision to play or scrap this game. In it's current state it is rather shallow in every aspect. This is fine for some people and I am glad they are having fun, but it falls far far short of the praise that some on here are giving it. Best MMO ever it clearly is not.
Having played both savage2 and DF, I agree with the OP... it does have more depth of combat even with the simple mechanics that have nothing to do with the tech tree (right click dodge/charge, active purposeful blocking, attack combos) that make even the most basic combat engaging.
I did not fail to see his point.
I simply have not played savage 2 so I can not make any comparison.
he continued to avoid the question that was aked of him.
I also did not ever tell anyone what I think of the combat system in darkfall.
PS: bets mmo ever is a very subjective thing. sure they are not saying it is the best ever for THEM, but IMO that is kind of implied.
So you have nothing to add other than to try to disrupt a conversation.
Sweet.
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I don't see how this was a coversation. I also fail to see how you can participate if you have not played one of the games.
that is what I am adding.
what have you added?
The only thing i can say to all this is if Savage 2 combat is more complex and fun than Darkfall's combat system, then that's all i need to know to avoid Darkfall. Because Savage 1 and 2 combat was the worst i have seen in a game to this date
Ok i've been playing Savage 2 all night and If an MMO had that type of combat I would freak.
It's a very enjoyable experience.
My one gripe with the whole game is the lack of classes and the low HP pools everyone has.
I shouldnt be able to kill someone in less then 4 seconds.
Increase the HP pools 300% and its perfect.
If anyone here has never played Savage 2 download it now and lets kick some ass.
It just went into my multiplayer folder only other games that deserve to be in that folder are CS, TF2, SC and thats how good the game is.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
BTW darkfall isnt ment to be an FPS....
BTW darkfall isnt ment to be an FPS....
TY Sir... I have not laughed that hard in a long time....
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- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
I bring good news,master
http://s2howto.com/blog/64-preview-deathmatch
http://forums.savage2.com/showthread.php?t=15826
- Doubled every unit's HP
Not 300%,but still...
Savage 2 isn't really an MMO. I wonder why you are comparing apples and oranges.
I'm comparing depth of combat system. Darkfall was said to be a deep Real time Twitch based combat melee system.
Even at a basic level, not including skills, Savage 2 wins hands down. And it was created by a team of 16.
I am also comparing indi development with indi development.
As far as it not being an MMO, its dam close. It has levels, loot, gear, NPC's and quests (given by the RTS commander) and persistent stats.
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How are you?" -Me
BTW darkfall isnt ment to be an FPS....
TY Sir... I have not laughed that hard in a long time....
I hope you are laughing at him, because darkfall has been pitched as a FPS style combat system. FPS does not only mean Quake or doom.
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How are you?" -Me
Alright. I'm not really here to defend Darkfall, just wanted to make it clear that you were discussing a game that is not an mmo on mmorpg.com
I tought from the thread title that the OP made it clear he was comparing the COMBAT SYSTEM between the 2 game titles.
I still can´t see what a title being an MMO or not adds up to the equation, when both have a common area FPS.
That must be why they got on steam then. Your post, and mine are also irrelevant to this topic.
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How are you?" -Me
Only by a small technicality.
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The combat system is similar. It also does not bode well that a FPS/RTS game has more combat depth then an MMORPG.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
BTW darkfall isnt ment to be an FPS....
TY Sir... I have not laughed that hard in a long time....
I hope you are laughing at him, because darkfall has been pitched as a FPS style combat system. FPS does not only mean Quake or doom.
Yes, I was indeed laughing at him. I don't know how anyone could describe the archery and magic as anything but FPS.
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- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
The combat system is similar. It also does not bode well that a FPS/RTS game has more combat depth then an MMORPG.
really?
IMO any fps/rts has WAY more combat depth than any mmorpg I have EVER played has.
The combat system is similar. It also does not bode well that a FPS/RTS game has more combat depth then an MMORPG.
really?
IMO any fps/rts has WAY more combat depth than any mmorpg I have EVER played has.
Savage 2 is a unique game.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
The combat system is similar. It also does not bode well that a FPS/RTS game has more combat depth then an MMORPG.
really?
IMO any fps/rts has WAY more combat depth than any mmorpg I have EVER played has.
Really... You think CS or UT has more combat depth then say EVE?
Some of the new shooters out there are incorporating RPG elements in order to add depth, but the standard RTS/FPS are not complex at all. They do require skill, but skill is not the same as depth.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
I agree, from same reason I find Call of Duty 4 more exiting then Word of Warcraft. Whoud would like to play a game without AK-47 ??
I agree, from same reason I find Call of Duty 4 more ex'C'iting than Word of Warcraft. Whoud Who would like to play a game without AK-47 ??
I agree on that comparison, both games go pew pew pew. /sarcasm