Ok i've been playing Savage 2 all night and If an MMO had that type of combat I would freak. It's a very enjoyable experience. My one gripe with the whole game is the lack of classes and the low HP pools everyone has. I shouldnt be able to kill someone in less then 4 seconds. Increase the HP pools 300% and its perfect. If anyone here has never played Savage 2 download it now and lets kick some ass. It just went into my multiplayer folder only other games that deserve to be in that folder are CS, TF2, SC and thats how good the game is.
Woot! 100% is better then nothing. i was getting pissed that my ranger would eat people in five seconds now this will feel more like mmo combat with fights lasting atleast 10 seconds.
Savage 2 Just pointing out that i have no clue why people say the two swing combat of darkfall is so amazing. Comparison Video.
I agree, from same reason I find Call of Duty 4 more exiting then Word of Warcraft. Whoud would like to play a game without AK-47 ??
How does that even compare to what we are talking about? CoD4 is strictly a FPS, other than the knife, is has no melee component, it also is not a combat system like the two being contrasted here.
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Ok i've been playing Savage 2 all night and If an MMO had that type of combat I would freak. It's a very enjoyable experience. My one gripe with the whole game is the lack of classes and the low HP pools everyone has. I shouldnt be able to kill someone in less then 4 seconds. Increase the HP pools 300% and its perfect. If anyone here has never played Savage 2 download it now and lets kick some ass. It just went into my multiplayer folder only other games that deserve to be in that folder are CS, TF2, SC and thats how good the game is.
Woot! 100% is better then nothing. i was getting pissed that my ranger would eat people in five seconds now this will feel more like mmo combat with fights lasting atleast 10 seconds.
Savage 2 combat sucks balls. It's paper, rock, scissors all over again. Paper beats rocks beats scissors beats paper. What in the world is so revolusionary about that?
I hate people that don't give games a second chance, when they have a bad experience they just leave and never look back, this is what killed vangaurd, a great game atm, but no one plays it. Savage 2 updated their melee system to seem more like the S1 melee system. Its definitely not as good as S1's melee system, but unlike before, it actually takes skill (dodging was made like 10x more effective so its kindof like a "leap", you can no longer "interupt", and blocking no longer stuns but negates damage)
Anyway to the people who say takes no skill (though it does compared to the other forms of war in DF), try crouch dodging attacks and jumping over them too (i heard you can jump over horizontal swings, and its confirmed that you can crouch dodge a horizontal swing)
Last I heard Df only had one hit box. So if someone is aiming for the head there a noob. Just aim for the groin. Unless players jumper higher than mike itll hit there feet and there neck when they duck. win win situation.
And I never played Savage but AoC pwns all melee combat. 3 vs 1 earlier today. 1 archer and 2 knights vs my footman. Im floating like a butterfly between them and stinging the archer like a bee. Then suddenly bam cut off the archers head. I duck and watch the knight chop off his friends head then I stabed the last knight in the back.
Thats real melee combat. I like mmorpgs but combat always sucks in em. Who cares if its fps or top down or 1.2.3.4 button spaming with cooldowns. It still takes 50 presses of a key to kill someone. And aiming in the general direction of someone (which is what DF and Conan have) while spaming a button 50 times isnt amazing combat.
Try the game out. Everyone has HL2. Its a common fact that dolphins own atleast two copies. Download Age of Chivalry. And experince the uberness that is skilled melee combat.
i'm not completely sure since i didn't sign up for paid beta, but i dont THINK you can actually aim down. Though I remember my character looking down while slashing, so maybe attacks have a realistic hitbox. Anyway, if attacks do have a realistic hitbox (i doubt it), and if you aim down you will hit crouched people (doubt it, not 100% sure though), I'm fairly certain you would be able to jump over that attack and dodge it.
This is not saying that DF melee doesn't have serious problems and is pretty stupid at times, its just that it definately requires more skill than the majority paints it out, b/c the majority doesn't know how to play melee properly...
Savage 2 Just pointing out that i have no clue why people say the two swing combat of darkfall is so amazing.
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
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Savage 2 Just pointing out that i have no clue why people say the two swing combat of darkfall is so amazing.
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy.
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
Savage 2 Just pointing out that i have no clue why people say the two swing combat of darkfall is so amazing.
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy.
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
So, what your saying is, you can't think of anything to say about darkfalls combat.
Thanks for playing. Stop Trolling this thread please.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Savage 2 Just pointing out that i have no clue why people say the two swing combat of darkfall is so amazing.
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy.
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
So, what your saying is, you can't think of anything to say about darkfalls combat.
Thanks for playing. Stop Trolling this thread please.
Why are you dodging my question? This post and your opinion are completely useless to me, or anyone else, if it's not based upon actually playing the game. So, I'm going to ask you one more time, have you played Darkfall?
There are multiple posters in this thread that have agreed with me. I have not answered, because its irrelevant.
You need only read what i type to know if i know what i'm talking about, so far, i do.
Your turn, or we can have 4 more pages of you trolling, and not adding anything to this discussion and simply attacking people in some attempt to discredit when nothing they have said is incorrect.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
There are multiple posters in this thread that have agreed with me. I have not answered, because its irrelevant. You need only read what i type to know if i know what i'm talking about, so far, i do. Your turn, or we can have 4 more pages of you trolling, and not adding anything to this discussion and simply attacking people in some attempt to discredit when nothing they have said is incorrect.
Have you played this game or not? That is relevant to this post. You can scream trolling all you want, it doesn't make it trolling wanting to know if your opinion is based upon actually playing the game or based upon second hand knowledge.
I cannot comment on your actual opinion, and put my opinion out there, until I know if you have played it or not.
There are multiple posters in this thread that have agreed with me. I have not answered, because its irrelevant. You need only read what i type to know if i know what i'm talking about, so far, i do. Your turn, or we can have 4 more pages of you trolling, and not adding anything to this discussion and simply attacking people in some attempt to discredit when nothing they have said is incorrect.
Have you played this game or not? That is relevant to this post. You can scream trolling all you want, it doesn't make it trolling wanting to know if your opinion is based upon actually playing the game or based upon second hand knowledge.
I cannot comment on your actual opinion, and put my opinion out there, until I know if you have played it or not.
Your problem, not mine. My opinion is out there.
Stop trolling. Discuss the topic. Tell others why Darkfalls melee combat is so amazing, or don't.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
There are multiple posters in this thread that have agreed with me. I have not answered, because its irrelevant. You need only read what i type to know if i know what i'm talking about, so far, i do. Your turn, or we can have 4 more pages of you trolling, and not adding anything to this discussion and simply attacking people in some attempt to discredit when nothing they have said is incorrect.
Have you played this game or not? That is relevant to this post. You can scream trolling all you want, it doesn't make it trolling wanting to know if your opinion is based upon actually playing the game or based upon second hand knowledge.
I cannot comment on your actual opinion, and put my opinion out there, until I know if you have played it or not.
Your problem, not mine. My opinion is out there.
Stop trolling. Discuss the topic. Tell others why Darkfalls melee combat is so amazing, or don't.
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
Savage 2 Just pointing out that i have no clue why people say the two swing combat of darkfall is so amazing.
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
There is enough information out there and enough live streaming to get a rather informed view on how the game plays. I do not know if he has done the research, but his points are valid from my experience in the game during Beta. Now people could argue that the game has changed substantially from the last week of beta, but nothing I have seen through movies, streams, and pictures would indicate this to be true. If you have played the release and know his points not to be true it would be much easier for you to go point by point destroying each one. Something that clearly has not been done. That would not only be more benificial for everyone reading this thread, but also would remove any future credibility he has. The question is why has no one done this? Instead the question of if he has played keeps going back and fourth derailing this thread.
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
Two sides of the same coin. If anyone comes out with citicism they are immediately attacked or threads get started making unsubstantiated claims. Just look at Koz. Every day he posts about bigger and bigger battles with no substantiating proof. Almost everyone is polarized to some degree when talking about DF.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Well... everyone should take any opinion of DF with a grain of salt no matter if the opinion is based off of gameplay or not. I don't trust any information of this board or the official ones because the community can't be trusted to tell the truth (both sides). Something that seems to be glazed over time and time again (in general not you specifically)
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
I would not ask anyone to respect opinions at all. People will either like the game or not... if not some (like myself) hold out hope that more will be added to make the game playable. I will never fault anyone on here for liking the game... that is always a subjective thing... what needs to be avoided is declarative statements like "best/worst game ever"... I have no sympathy for AV because of Tasos, but again that is a personal thing... Everyone who is truly interested in the game should try it and those that have no interest should move along. Not all the trolls/critics however have no interest in the game... I have been a long time critic and love the concept of DF. I just do not feel that the concept has been made into reality yet.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this? There is enough information out there and enough live streaming to get a rather informed view on how the game plays. I do not know if he has done the research, but his points are valid from my experience in the game during Beta. Now people could argue that the game has changed substantially from the last week of beta, but nothing I have seen through movies, streams, and pictures would indicate this to be true. If you have played the release and know his points not to be true it would be much easier for you to go point by point destroying each one. Something that clearly has not been done. That would not only be more benificial for everyone reading this thread, but also would remove any future credibility he has. The question is why has no one done this? Instead the question of if he has played keeps going back and fourth derailing this thread. 1. I don't go around saying that Darkfall has the greatest combat system even if it appears to be fun to me based upon videos, feeds, etc. 2. I'm not derailing this conversation by gauging his credibility. I'm merely trying to get an understanding on if he has hands on experience with the game. If he hasn't, then people need to know this is based upon second hand knowledge, no actual experience so they can keep that in mind when deciding for themselves. Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed. Two sides of the same coin. If anyone comes out with citicism they are immediately attacked or threads get started making unsubstantiated claims. Just look at Koz. Every day he posts about bigger and bigger battles with no substantiating proof. Almost everyone is polarized to some degree when talking about DF. I agree with you on Koz, however, I also keep in mind that you cannot tell how many people are truly there based upon screenshots at all. The screenshots he posted, under the 200 participant topic, is taken inside the battle and thus you don't get full picture of who is around you, behind you, or perhaps behind walls or behind other hills and trees. Therefore, just counting how many are in the picture is flawed. Having said that, I also believe he is exaggerating the numbers anyways, but so what? He enjoys the game and it really doesn't matter how many were actually participating. You really couldn't get a real number for that even if you wanted to. The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void. Well... everyone should take any opinion of DF with a grain of salt no matter if the opinion is based off of gameplay or not. I don't trust any information of this board or the official ones because the community can't be trusted to tell the truth (both sides). Something that seems to be glazed over time and time again (in general not you specifically) I agree 100% with this statement. I also think it's important that people also know where the opinions and posts are coming from, and people should clarify that it's based upon screenshots, videos or feeds but not actual game experience if that is the case. That is why I've never said how good or how bad Darkfall really is. Because, I don't really know. Though, I've been accused of being a fanboi because I don't put up with mindless hate/trolling. Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game. I would not ask anyone to respect opinions at all. People will either like the game or not... if not some (like myself) hold out hope that more will be added to make the game playable. I will never fault anyone on here for liking the game... that is always a subjective thing... what needs to be avoided is declarative statements like "best/worst game ever"... I have no sympathy for AV because of Tasos, but again that is a personal thing... Everyone who is truly interested in the game should try it and those that have no interest should move along. Not all the trolls/critics however have no interest in the game... I have been a long time critic and love the concept of DF. I just do not feel that the concept has been made into reality yet. Well, my opinion is that the hate towards Adventurine and Tasos is unfounded. Alot of the information in that department is exaggerated or simply 'rumors/misinformation' that ran way out of control. If you would like to talk about deceptiveness, dirty tactics you should look up the history of Turbine or SOE. They make Tasos look like a saint.
Atziluth, you really do get me wrong here. I actually prevented my cousin from buying this game because I told him that if you didn't like pre-trammel UO's open-pvp and full loot system you're probably not going to like this game.
I'm not at all after real criticism based upon real knowledge of the game. However, you cannot really criticize gameplay until you have actually played it. Trying to criticize something you have no real experience with gives you no credibility on the subject at hand.
So the issue here is his credibility. If he has played it, he has a ton of credibility, if he hasn't then he has no credibility on criticizing the gameplay. So, until I know if he has or not, I really cannot put my opinions on this and participate in the topic. However, I have every right to question his credibility on the subject if he is going to make them in forums related to Darkfall.
And did you know Savage 2 was only built by 8 people...
And it's free to play...... with a $9.00 / month option to access certain high end characters during a specific in-game moment.. if it's reached by the team..
And did you know Savage 2 was only built by 8 people... And it's free to play...... with a $9.00 / month option to access certain high end characters during a specific in-game moment.. if it's reached by the team..
Originally posted by Dethnoble Atziluth, you really do get me wrong here. I actually prevented my cousin from buying this game because I told him that if you didn't like pre-trammel UO's open-pvp and full loot system you're probably not going to like this game. I'm not at all after real criticism based upon real knowledge of the game. However, you cannot really criticize gameplay until you have actually played it. Trying to criticize something you have no real experience with gives you no credibility on the subject at hand. So the issue here is his credibility. If he has played it, he has a ton of credibility, if he hasn't then he has no credibility on criticizing the gameplay. So, until I know if he has or not, I really cannot put my opinions on this and participate in the topic. However, I have every right to question his credibility on the subject if he is going to make them in forums related to Darkfall.
I am not making any judgements about you at all... We have had clashes in the past, but that is to be expected on any forum with opinionated content.
I think you put too much credibility into those who have played the game however. Like I said before both sides out right lie. In fact playing the game only plays into their justification for making absurd statements. I have no problem when someone says... "This is the best/worst game I have ever played".... But so many mislead by making general declarative statements like "This is the best/worst game ever." Because there is such polarization you have people on the extreme that will go to any length to impose their beliefs on others. So I don't weigh any opinion more or less regardless of if they have played the game or not. Having played the game does not lend credibility, it only means you have a snowballs chance in hell of defending your position about it.
As to Tasos and Aventurine, you may be right that things got blown out of porportion... I tend to think it is not however having read time after time Tasos instigating animosity in the community. It is not so much what he said, but how he said it. Often times he would be ambigious or leave the interpretation of what he wrote unknown.... this fed into all the hate we have seen for years and even now today. This could have been easily resolved had he stepped up to do so, but that was never his intent. So for that I hold no sympathy for him or AV.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
Given the product is produced by AV.. possibly the world dumbest developer of computer games lead by Captain Large Claims.. I'd say there is every reason for this game to start in a negative deficit. It did for me right after the whole no preorder.. oh wait... preorders nonsense. Well that and the snotty arsed interviews.
Also the videos show watered down simplistic 2 mode combat. Fanbots keep saying look at the blocks and shield with arrows embeddded in it. I get out my sherlock holmes cape and crack pipe and even with my magnifying glass.... nope zip.. nada. Nowt !
Then someone goes and posts another benny hill show episode and then claims its strategic.
Then someone says "its just like Oblviion"... erm... more like Morrowind. I'd say
Then someone posts look at the 200 players. So I does a head count and there like 50 max on screen.
Then somone posts a live feed and all I see is some e peen dude killing a macro'er in a lake by shooting arrows whislt swimming. WTF !
What more evidence do you want a DNA sample ? Get me a pot !
Originally posted by Dethnoble Atziluth, you really do get me wrong here. I actually prevented my cousin from buying this game because I told him that if you didn't like pre-trammel UO's open-pvp and full loot system you're probably not going to like this game. I'm not at all after real criticism based upon real knowledge of the game. However, you cannot really criticize gameplay until you have actually played it. Trying to criticize something you have no real experience with gives you no credibility on the subject at hand. So the issue here is his credibility. If he has played it, he has a ton of credibility, if he hasn't then he has no credibility on criticizing the gameplay. So, until I know if he has or not, I really cannot put my opinions on this and participate in the topic. However, I have every right to question his credibility on the subject if he is going to make them in forums related to Darkfall.
I am not making any judgements about you at all... We have had clashes in the past, but that is to be expected on any forum with opinionated content.
I think you put too much credibility into those who have played the game however. Like I said before both sides out right lie. In fact playing the game only plays into their justification for making absurd statements. I have no problem when someone says... "This is the best/worst game I have ever played".... But so many mislead by making general declarative statements like "This is the best/worst game ever." Because there is such polarization you have people on the extreme that will go to any length to impose their beliefs on others. So I don't weigh any opinion more or less regardless of if they have played the game or not. Having played the game does not lend credibility, it only means you have a snowballs chance in hell of defending your position about it.
As to Tasos and Aventurine, you may be right that things got blown out of porportion... I tend to think it is not however having read time after time Tasos instigating animosity in the community. It is not so much what he said, but how he said it. Often times he would be ambigious or leave the interpretation of what he wrote unknown.... this fed into all the hate we have seen for years and even now today. This could have been easily resolved had he stepped up to do so, but that was never his intent. So for that I hold no sympathy for him or AV.
They are terrible at the PR department. Tasos probably shouldn't be their mouthpiece, that is very true. Besides that, I seen Aventurine as a company, building an MMO they want (not another WoW clone), who are essentially rookies at what they are doing. Despite what is said, or how it may or may not be interpreted, they shouldn't be lumped in the same category as Blizzard, Turbine, etc.
People who use statements, or what not, to justify them holding Aventurine to the same standards as those other companies are wrong. If I'm correct, Darkfall was concepted by people who played AC: Darktide. If that is the case, to them, to Tasos Darkfall maybe the best MMO on the market because of the playstyle it has. So, that is their opinion and they may even feel that way.
They are not saying that everyone will feel that way they are saying THEY feel that way because they themselves are obviously fans of MMOs as well.
See, I'm not against you or your own criticisms and you get me wrong on that. I'm against stupid hating/trolling of the game by people who, obviously, have an agenda. MrBloodworth, IMHO, is far different than you. He does nothing but attack anyone, even if he tries to convey it as being subtle.
On topic of this thread, sure Savage might employ FPS elements better than Darkfall, but trying to prove that point is pointless. It's not constructive because anyone knows that an MMO is about more than just it's combat system. You could find a particular part of any game and find another game that does that particular thing better.
The point to this thread was to troll the fans and the game. Just because I've called him out on it doesn't make me a troll.
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
Given the product is produced by AV.. possibly the world dumbest developer of computer games lead by Captain Large Claims.. I'd say there is every reason for this game to start in a negative deficit. It did for me right after the whole no preorder.. oh wait... preorders nonsense. Well that and the snotty arsed interviews.
They changed their business tactic, so what? Many other companies have done this over the years. Chill out, they didn't eat your kids. IMHO, they did nothing wrong. In fact, they may have had to make this decision to be able to launch this game.
Also the videos show watered down simplistic 2 mode combat. Fanbots keep saying look at the blocks and shield with arrows embeddded in it. I get out my sherlock holmes cape and crack pipe and even with my magnifying glass.... nope zip.. nada. Nowt !
You should try something before you bash it. Sometimes, you don't see the little subtle things in a photo that you would see IRL. Everyone knows this. Photos are flat, experience is real.
Then someone goes and posts another benny hill show episode and then claims its strategic.
Strategy cannot always be seen or understood. Just because you may not have seen any strategies employed doesn't mean they weren't there. You cannot fully see a strategy playing out on a battlefield from a first-person perspective, you need a third-person perspective to realize it fully.
Then someone says "its just like Oblviion"... erm... more like Morrowind. I'd say
Then someone posts look at the 200 players. So I does a head count and there like 50 max on screen.
Then somone posts a live feed and all I see is some e peen dude killing a macro'er in a lake by shooting arrows whislt swimming. WTF !
What more evidence do you want a DNA sample ? Get me a pot !
I'm not saying that the what the original post says is false or wrong. What I'm pointing to is the fact that he may not have any credibility, because he may not have played it. Though, you and I or anyone else knows, MrBloodworth hasn't played Darkfall.
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
Given the product is produced by AV.. possibly the world dumbest developer of computer games lead by Captain Large Claims.. I'd say there is every reason for this game to start in a negative deficit. It did for me right after the whole no preorder.. oh wait... preorders nonsense. Well that and the snotty arsed interviews.
They changed their business tactic, so what? Many other companies have done this over the years. Chill out, they didn't eat your kids. IMHO, they did nothing wrong. In fact, they may have had to make this decision to be able to launch this game.
Also the videos show watered down simplistic 2 mode combat. Fanbots keep saying look at the blocks and shield with arrows embeddded in it. I get out my sherlock holmes cape and crack pipe and even with my magnifying glass.... nope zip.. nada. Nowt !
You should try something before you bash it. Sometimes, you don't see the little subtle things in a photo that you would see IRL. Everyone knows this. Photos are flat, experience is real.
Then someone goes and posts another benny hill show episode and then claims its strategic.
Strategy cannot always be seen or understood. Just because you may not have seen any strategies employed doesn't mean they weren't there. You cannot fully see a strategy playing out on a battlefield from a first-person perspective, you need a third-person perspective to realize it fully.
Then someone says "its just like Oblviion"... erm... more like Morrowind. I'd say
Then someone posts look at the 200 players. So I does a head count and there like 50 max on screen.
Then somone posts a live feed and all I see is some e peen dude killing a macro'er in a lake by shooting arrows whislt swimming. WTF !
What more evidence do you want a DNA sample ? Get me a pot !
I'm not saying that the what the original post says is false or wrong. What I'm pointing to is the fact that he may not have any credibility, because he may not have played it. Though, you and I or anyone else knows, MrBloodworth hasn't played Darkfall.
I can tell you for sure....Savage 2 is more of an FPS than Darkfall....argue all you want...just shows how silly you MMO only gamers are
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I bring good news,master
http://s2howto.com/blog/64-preview-deathmatch
http://forums.savage2.com/showthread.php?t=15826
- Doubled every unit's HP
Not 300%,but still...
Woot! 100% is better then nothing. i was getting pissed that my ranger would eat people in five seconds now this will feel more like mmo combat with fights lasting atleast 10 seconds.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
TCoS has both games beat.
PS, for the folks saying it wouldn't happen.
http://phpbb.acclaim.com/spellborn/viewtopic.php?t=932
Closed beta which will be very short if all things go well, starts tomorrow.
http://baneoflife.com
I agree, from same reason I find Call of Duty 4 more exiting then Word of Warcraft. Whoud would like to play a game without AK-47 ??
How does that even compare to what we are talking about? CoD4 is strictly a FPS, other than the knife, is has no melee component, it also is not a combat system like the two being contrasted here.
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How are you?" -Me
I bring good news,master
http://s2howto.com/blog/64-preview-deathmatch
http://forums.savage2.com/showthread.php?t=15826
- Doubled every unit's HP
Not 300%,but still...
Woot! 100% is better then nothing. i was getting pissed that my ranger would eat people in five seconds now this will feel more like mmo combat with fights lasting atleast 10 seconds.
http://s2howto.com/blog/67-s2howto-now-in-your-server-list
this is the server its going up on ^
I hate people that don't give games a second chance, when they have a bad experience they just leave and never look back, this is what killed vangaurd, a great game atm, but no one plays it. Savage 2 updated their melee system to seem more like the S1 melee system. Its definitely not as good as S1's melee system, but unlike before, it actually takes skill (dodging was made like 10x more effective so its kindof like a "leap", you can no longer "interupt", and blocking no longer stuns but negates damage)
Anyway to the people who say takes no skill (though it does compared to the other forms of war in DF), try crouch dodging attacks and jumping over them too (i heard you can jump over horizontal swings, and its confirmed that you can crouch dodge a horizontal swing)
Last I heard Df only had one hit box. So if someone is aiming for the head there a noob. Just aim for the groin. Unless players jumper higher than mike itll hit there feet and there neck when they duck. win win situation.
And I never played Savage but AoC pwns all melee combat. 3 vs 1 earlier today. 1 archer and 2 knights vs my footman. Im floating like a butterfly between them and stinging the archer like a bee. Then suddenly bam cut off the archers head. I duck and watch the knight chop off his friends head then I stabed the last knight in the back.
Thats real melee combat. I like mmorpgs but combat always sucks in em. Who cares if its fps or top down or 1.2.3.4 button spaming with cooldowns. It still takes 50 presses of a key to kill someone. And aiming in the general direction of someone (which is what DF and Conan have) while spaming a button 50 times isnt amazing combat.
Try the game out. Everyone has HL2. Its a common fact that dolphins own atleast two copies. Download Age of Chivalry. And experince the uberness that is skilled melee combat.
i'm not completely sure since i didn't sign up for paid beta, but i dont THINK you can actually aim down. Though I remember my character looking down while slashing, so maybe attacks have a realistic hitbox. Anyway, if attacks do have a realistic hitbox (i doubt it), and if you aim down you will hit crouched people (doubt it, not 100% sure though), I'm fairly certain you would be able to jump over that attack and dodge it.
This is not saying that DF melee doesn't have serious problems and is pretty stupid at times, its just that it definately requires more skill than the majority paints it out, b/c the majority doesn't know how to play melee properly...
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MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
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MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
splat
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy.
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
splat
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy.
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
So, what your saying is, you can't think of anything to say about darkfalls combat.
Thanks for playing. Stop Trolling this thread please.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy.
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
So, what your saying is, you can't think of anything to say about darkfalls combat.
Thanks for playing. Stop Trolling this thread please.
Why are you dodging my question? This post and your opinion are completely useless to me, or anyone else, if it's not based upon actually playing the game. So, I'm going to ask you one more time, have you played Darkfall?
splat
There are multiple posters in this thread that have agreed with me. I have not answered, because its irrelevant.
You need only read what i type to know if i know what i'm talking about, so far, i do.
Your turn, or we can have 4 more pages of you trolling, and not adding anything to this discussion and simply attacking people in some attempt to discredit when nothing they have said is incorrect.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Have you played this game or not? That is relevant to this post. You can scream trolling all you want, it doesn't make it trolling wanting to know if your opinion is based upon actually playing the game or based upon second hand knowledge.
I cannot comment on your actual opinion, and put my opinion out there, until I know if you have played it or not.
splat
Have you played this game or not? That is relevant to this post. You can scream trolling all you want, it doesn't make it trolling wanting to know if your opinion is based upon actually playing the game or based upon second hand knowledge.
I cannot comment on your actual opinion, and put my opinion out there, until I know if you have played it or not.
Your problem, not mine. My opinion is out there.
Stop trolling. Discuss the topic. Tell others why Darkfalls melee combat is so amazing, or don't.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Have you played this game or not? That is relevant to this post. You can scream trolling all you want, it doesn't make it trolling wanting to know if your opinion is based upon actually playing the game or based upon second hand knowledge.
I cannot comment on your actual opinion, and put my opinion out there, until I know if you have played it or not.
Your problem, not mine. My opinion is out there.
Stop trolling. Discuss the topic. Tell others why Darkfalls melee combat is so amazing, or don't.
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
splat
MrBloodWorth, have you played Darkfall yet?
HAVE YOU?
Just as I figured, you completely dodge. You post stuff like so and so has more robust combat, but yet you haven't even played Darkfall.
Tell me im wrong, all my arguments on the table. Where is your debate? or are you just going to do personal attacks to avoid doing so.
I also have not said that I have, or have not. You are ASSuming.
So have you played this game or not?
I have and I will stand by that his points are valid. Ball is now in your court skippy
Valid points? How can you have a point if you haven't even played something and are trying to make a point on it's gameplay? Has trolling been reduced to this? Seriously, have you guys reduced your epic level of trolling to this?
There is enough information out there and enough live streaming to get a rather informed view on how the game plays. I do not know if he has done the research, but his points are valid from my experience in the game during Beta. Now people could argue that the game has changed substantially from the last week of beta, but nothing I have seen through movies, streams, and pictures would indicate this to be true. If you have played the release and know his points not to be true it would be much easier for you to go point by point destroying each one. Something that clearly has not been done. That would not only be more benificial for everyone reading this thread, but also would remove any future credibility he has. The question is why has no one done this? Instead the question of if he has played keeps going back and fourth derailing this thread.
Have a long, hard look at yourselves. We have people, who haven't even played the game, commenting on gameplay about the game. When someone points that fact out, you guys become rapid attack dogs, afraid of being exposed.
Two sides of the same coin. If anyone comes out with citicism they are immediately attacked or threads get started making unsubstantiated claims. Just look at Koz. Every day he posts about bigger and bigger battles with no substantiating proof. Almost everyone is polarized to some degree when talking about DF.
The ball isn't back in my court until he stops beating around the bush and let's everyone know if he played the game or not. Until then, people should take any information he posts on gameplay as null and void.
Well... everyone should take any opinion of DF with a grain of salt no matter if the opinion is based off of gameplay or not. I don't trust any information of this board or the official ones because the community can't be trusted to tell the truth (both sides). Something that seems to be glazed over time and time again (in general not you specifically)
Coming from you, atziluth (if what you say is true), I can respect your opinion on it. However, unless MrBloodworth has played it, I cannot respect his opinion and I'm merely pointing out the fact that he won't, that his opinion is probably based upon non-experience with the actual game.
I would not ask anyone to respect opinions at all. People will either like the game or not... if not some (like myself) hold out hope that more will be added to make the game playable. I will never fault anyone on here for liking the game... that is always a subjective thing... what needs to be avoided is declarative statements like "best/worst game ever"... I have no sympathy for AV because of Tasos, but again that is a personal thing... Everyone who is truly interested in the game should try it and those that have no interest should move along. Not all the trolls/critics however have no interest in the game... I have been a long time critic and love the concept of DF. I just do not feel that the concept has been made into reality yet.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Atziluth, you really do get me wrong here. I actually prevented my cousin from buying this game because I told him that if you didn't like pre-trammel UO's open-pvp and full loot system you're probably not going to like this game.
I'm not at all after real criticism based upon real knowledge of the game. However, you cannot really criticize gameplay until you have actually played it. Trying to criticize something you have no real experience with gives you no credibility on the subject at hand.
So the issue here is his credibility. If he has played it, he has a ton of credibility, if he hasn't then he has no credibility on criticizing the gameplay. So, until I know if he has or not, I really cannot put my opinions on this and participate in the topic. However, I have every right to question his credibility on the subject if he is going to make them in forums related to Darkfall.
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And did you know Savage 2 was only built by 8 people...
And it's free to play...... with a $9.00 / month option to access certain high end characters during a specific in-game moment.. if it's reached by the team..
It's not $9 a month, it's $10 as a one time fee.
I am not making any judgements about you at all... We have had clashes in the past, but that is to be expected on any forum with opinionated content.
I think you put too much credibility into those who have played the game however. Like I said before both sides out right lie. In fact playing the game only plays into their justification for making absurd statements. I have no problem when someone says... "This is the best/worst game I have ever played".... But so many mislead by making general declarative statements like "This is the best/worst game ever." Because there is such polarization you have people on the extreme that will go to any length to impose their beliefs on others. So I don't weigh any opinion more or less regardless of if they have played the game or not. Having played the game does not lend credibility, it only means you have a snowballs chance in hell of defending your position about it.
As to Tasos and Aventurine, you may be right that things got blown out of porportion... I tend to think it is not however having read time after time Tasos instigating animosity in the community. It is not so much what he said, but how he said it. Often times he would be ambigious or leave the interpretation of what he wrote unknown.... this fed into all the hate we have seen for years and even now today. This could have been easily resolved had he stepped up to do so, but that was never his intent. So for that I hold no sympathy for him or AV.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
Given the product is produced by AV.. possibly the world dumbest developer of computer games lead by Captain Large Claims.. I'd say there is every reason for this game to start in a negative deficit. It did for me right after the whole no preorder.. oh wait... preorders nonsense. Well that and the snotty arsed interviews.
Also the videos show watered down simplistic 2 mode combat. Fanbots keep saying look at the blocks and shield with arrows embeddded in it. I get out my sherlock holmes cape and crack pipe and even with my magnifying glass.... nope zip.. nada. Nowt !
Then someone goes and posts another benny hill show episode and then claims its strategic.
Then someone says "its just like Oblviion"... erm... more like Morrowind. I'd say
Then someone posts look at the 200 players. So I does a head count and there like 50 max on screen.
Then somone posts a live feed and all I see is some e peen dude killing a macro'er in a lake by shooting arrows whislt swimming. WTF !
What more evidence do you want a DNA sample ? Get me a pot !
I am not making any judgements about you at all... We have had clashes in the past, but that is to be expected on any forum with opinionated content.
I think you put too much credibility into those who have played the game however. Like I said before both sides out right lie. In fact playing the game only plays into their justification for making absurd statements. I have no problem when someone says... "This is the best/worst game I have ever played".... But so many mislead by making general declarative statements like "This is the best/worst game ever." Because there is such polarization you have people on the extreme that will go to any length to impose their beliefs on others. So I don't weigh any opinion more or less regardless of if they have played the game or not. Having played the game does not lend credibility, it only means you have a snowballs chance in hell of defending your position about it.
As to Tasos and Aventurine, you may be right that things got blown out of porportion... I tend to think it is not however having read time after time Tasos instigating animosity in the community. It is not so much what he said, but how he said it. Often times he would be ambigious or leave the interpretation of what he wrote unknown.... this fed into all the hate we have seen for years and even now today. This could have been easily resolved had he stepped up to do so, but that was never his intent. So for that I hold no sympathy for him or AV.
They are terrible at the PR department. Tasos probably shouldn't be their mouthpiece, that is very true. Besides that, I seen Aventurine as a company, building an MMO they want (not another WoW clone), who are essentially rookies at what they are doing. Despite what is said, or how it may or may not be interpreted, they shouldn't be lumped in the same category as Blizzard, Turbine, etc.
People who use statements, or what not, to justify them holding Aventurine to the same standards as those other companies are wrong. If I'm correct, Darkfall was concepted by people who played AC: Darktide. If that is the case, to them, to Tasos Darkfall maybe the best MMO on the market because of the playstyle it has. So, that is their opinion and they may even feel that way.
They are not saying that everyone will feel that way they are saying THEY feel that way because they themselves are obviously fans of MMOs as well.
See, I'm not against you or your own criticisms and you get me wrong on that. I'm against stupid hating/trolling of the game by people who, obviously, have an agenda. MrBloodworth, IMHO, is far different than you. He does nothing but attack anyone, even if he tries to convey it as being subtle.
On topic of this thread, sure Savage might employ FPS elements better than Darkfall, but trying to prove that point is pointless. It's not constructive because anyone knows that an MMO is about more than just it's combat system. You could find a particular part of any game and find another game that does that particular thing better.
The point to this thread was to troll the fans and the game. Just because I've called him out on it doesn't make me a troll.
splat
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
Given the product is produced by AV.. possibly the world dumbest developer of computer games lead by Captain Large Claims.. I'd say there is every reason for this game to start in a negative deficit. It did for me right after the whole no preorder.. oh wait... preorders nonsense. Well that and the snotty arsed interviews.
They changed their business tactic, so what? Many other companies have done this over the years. Chill out, they didn't eat your kids. IMHO, they did nothing wrong. In fact, they may have had to make this decision to be able to launch this game.
Also the videos show watered down simplistic 2 mode combat. Fanbots keep saying look at the blocks and shield with arrows embeddded in it. I get out my sherlock holmes cape and crack pipe and even with my magnifying glass.... nope zip.. nada. Nowt !
You should try something before you bash it. Sometimes, you don't see the little subtle things in a photo that you would see IRL. Everyone knows this. Photos are flat, experience is real.
Then someone goes and posts another benny hill show episode and then claims its strategic.
Strategy cannot always be seen or understood. Just because you may not have seen any strategies employed doesn't mean they weren't there. You cannot fully see a strategy playing out on a battlefield from a first-person perspective, you need a third-person perspective to realize it fully.
Then someone says "its just like Oblviion"... erm... more like Morrowind. I'd say
Then someone posts look at the 200 players. So I does a head count and there like 50 max on screen.
Then somone posts a live feed and all I see is some e peen dude killing a macro'er in a lake by shooting arrows whislt swimming. WTF !
What more evidence do you want a DNA sample ? Get me a pot !
I'm not saying that the what the original post says is false or wrong. What I'm pointing to is the fact that he may not have any credibility, because he may not have played it. Though, you and I or anyone else knows, MrBloodworth hasn't played Darkfall.
splat
The issue here is credibility. Without real experience with the gameplay you cannot expect people participate in your topics on the discussion. By trying to find out if you have real credibility on this or not, I'm better able to participate in this discussion.
Why is it so hard for you to answer? Have you played this game or not?
Given the product is produced by AV.. possibly the world dumbest developer of computer games lead by Captain Large Claims.. I'd say there is every reason for this game to start in a negative deficit. It did for me right after the whole no preorder.. oh wait... preorders nonsense. Well that and the snotty arsed interviews.
They changed their business tactic, so what? Many other companies have done this over the years. Chill out, they didn't eat your kids. IMHO, they did nothing wrong. In fact, they may have had to make this decision to be able to launch this game.
Also the videos show watered down simplistic 2 mode combat. Fanbots keep saying look at the blocks and shield with arrows embeddded in it. I get out my sherlock holmes cape and crack pipe and even with my magnifying glass.... nope zip.. nada. Nowt !
You should try something before you bash it. Sometimes, you don't see the little subtle things in a photo that you would see IRL. Everyone knows this. Photos are flat, experience is real.
Then someone goes and posts another benny hill show episode and then claims its strategic.
Strategy cannot always be seen or understood. Just because you may not have seen any strategies employed doesn't mean they weren't there. You cannot fully see a strategy playing out on a battlefield from a first-person perspective, you need a third-person perspective to realize it fully.
Then someone says "its just like Oblviion"... erm... more like Morrowind. I'd say
Then someone posts look at the 200 players. So I does a head count and there like 50 max on screen.
Then somone posts a live feed and all I see is some e peen dude killing a macro'er in a lake by shooting arrows whislt swimming. WTF !
What more evidence do you want a DNA sample ? Get me a pot !
I'm not saying that the what the original post says is false or wrong. What I'm pointing to is the fact that he may not have any credibility, because he may not have played it. Though, you and I or anyone else knows, MrBloodworth hasn't played Darkfall.
I can tell you for sure....Savage 2 is more of an FPS than Darkfall....argue all you want...just shows how silly you MMO only gamers are
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