I have answered that decision: NONE OF THE ABOVE. As members of the gaming community, we can no longer support "bad" or "OK" games until something better comes out. Developers think by paying for a game we really do not like, although we are waiting for developers to devleop something with more immersion features, that we want that.
QFT.
IMHO all current games are "okay". Out of your four, I would say LotRO or EQ2. I found EQ2 was more fun at first. I actually liked the voice-overs, which practically disappeared after newbie island, but SOE's taint quickly killed it. LotRO, for me, was great right at the start but then got pretty boring and monotonous. Both had good graphics, but I think graphics are second at most on the list of factors for an MMOG.
Personally, I'd prefer to go back to EQ but they would need to make some hard choices to bring that back to life (like removing a number of zones and updating the mechanics). I loved Vanguard for about four years but management killed that before it launched--it's amazingly beautiful though, if you have a system that can take it. I "beat" WoW six months after launch and saw the writing on the wall right then, and since then it's simply been a glorified $15/mo chat server. The only reason I ever go back is to say hi to people, eat up any new content in a day or two, then cancel again...which is pretty sad.
In short, nothing out right now is worthy of my money or time. No games on the horizon are, either. Darkfall seems interesting, but will fail because of the people it will attract, just like Mortal Online, just like Shadowbane. If they're lucky the anti-asshole mechanics will help, but MMOGs give individuals the power to ruin the game for the masses, thereby making it fail, and ruining it for themselves. Everything PvE is dumbed-down, with no challenge or consequences, mostly due to WoW retarding the genre.
You seem to be quite proud of yourself because you have some sticky on the EQ2 boards about "the complex graphic setting of EQ2" and how you know "the complex graphic setting of EQ2" probably as good as the developers do. For someone with all this "expertise" in "the complex graphic setting of EQ2" your eye for art direction is quite poor. Let me tell you, the thing that makes the EQ2 graphics so complicated is that they use too much of the CPU, and not enough of the GPU. I am not sure why you are handing this out like a compliment towards EQ2. Vanguard suffers from much of the same fate here as well. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Does EQ2 have better graphics than WoW? It depends on what you call "graphics". EQ2 has a more realistic style than WoW, sure. But remember this, polygon count does not always make good graphics. And if you are gonna have a high polygon count, for God sakes please use more of the GPU and at the least make the colors more vibrant. Also, a little more shading on buildings and objects wouldn't hurt either. One last thing, what is with the human eyes too close together? They look cross-eyed. I'm just sayin...lol
What is your problem? I never attacked you in the slightest. The only thing I had a problem with was you calling me a liar and you claiming I only get 20fps. I love WoW and have never attack the game in any post ever. I loved the game for 4 years. Why the put downs?
Pride has nothing to do with my comments. I simply spent a lot of time researching, learning, and testing EQ2 and it's graphic settings. I simply have tried to share those hours of exploration with others. I mention the sticky because it has helped people enjoy EQ2 more and they have posted such. I simply wanted to share my experience to save others the time I had to invest. What is wrong with that? I did not compare my knowledge of EQ2 and it's coding to developers. I said I probably understand the ingame graphic setting as much as the developers. This meaning what all the settings do and the results of the changes from the players perspective.
I did not lie as you claimed about me earlier. Do you have any idea of my post history and the many times I have said SOE made a huge mistake with it's direction of EQ2 being more a cpu game then gpu. I understand this issue fully and it is an old issue. Handing out what like a compliament? I have over and over called eq2's graphic settings way to complex and that players should not have to work so hard to get game working well. This is a huge mistake on SOE part. You say not insults but all you do is insult me.
As far as my eye for art direction. That is personnal taste is it not? Why do you have a problem with me liking the art direction in EQ2. I like it so what? I never said your like of WoW art direction is wrong as you do to me. I like WoW's art. I also like the totally different approach EQ2 took. They are different. All I have said is I feel EQ2 is unappreciated in my opinion and I prefer it over the other games list in the original post. The only reason I posted images of my own paintings was to show I like the cartoon style of WoW and relate to it even in my own art.
So go ahead and "tell" me how bad my tastes are since you seem to be a person of good art tastes. Call me a liar because I had a different experience then you did with your fantastic computer. I defer to your knowledge, experience, and good taste. After all you have put me in my place more then once in this thread. Good job.
I like the look of the avatars, armor, and individuals. However, I don't really like the environment, can't compare them to AoC (probably not a fair comparison).
I love EQ2 but I do agree with this. I like the EQ2 enviroments but AoC and LOTRO do it better. Even though artistically they maybe better EQ2's eviroments seem more believable as a living world not just great looking views. Remember both those games are pretty new and EQ2 is over 4 years old now.
Yep, AoC deffinitly has lush jungles. But EQ2 does have a vastly larger variety of environments and larger world. You can always tell a game that uses a height-field and speed-tree over a game of maya mesh zones. Still, it allows EQ2 to do nifty stuff like floating islands, verticle zones and such which you can't easily do with a height field unless you zone with each island.
This is a very good point. The result of this for me is that EQ2's enviroments may not be a "lush" or "pretty" as other games but they are more interesting for me. There is also a consistent art direction throughout the game that makes the world more believable for the mmo experience I prefer.
If I have to choose among the four, it would be WAR>LotRO>EQ2>AoC. I'm going with this order according to how I think each title will be able to add sustaining content for players to stay entertained for years.
Although WAR is a bit young to have them, I'm sure WAR will have decent expansions to fix current content issues. I place LotRO above EQ2 because I think that MoM was a much better expansion than recent EQ2 expansions - I feel that LotRO will bring more fresh material in the future and EQ2 will stick with providing enough content to keep core players. Currently, I am very unsure of how AoC will develop in the future.
I liked that Lotro let you queue up your next action. It had some other nice elements too.
That said, I found the combat very slow for some reason. I've played WoW and some other games a lot, but Lotro just seemed to be significantly slower in how everything happened. I didn't time out stuff, but I got very bored with it very quickly (I got to about level 14 or so in the trial before I couldn't take it any more).
What is your problem? I never attacked you in the slightest. The only thing I had a problem with was you calling me a liar and you claiming I only get 20fps. I love WoW and have never attack the game in any post ever. I loved the game for 4 years. Why the put downs? Pride has nothing to do with my comments. I simply spent a lot of time researching, learning, and testing EQ2 and it's graphic settings. I simply have tried to share those hours of exploration with others. I mention the sticky because it has helped people enjoy EQ2 more and they have posted such. I simply wanted to share my experience to save others the time I had to invest. What is wrong with that? I did not compare my knowledge of EQ2 and it's coding to developers. I said I probably understand the ingame graphic setting as much as the developers. This meaning what all the settings do and the results of the changes from the players perspective. I did not lie as you claimed about me earlier. Do you have any idea of my post history and the many times I have said SOE made a huge mistake with it's direction of EQ2 being more a cpu game then gpu. I understand this issue fully and it is an old issue. Handing out what like a compliament? I have over and over called eq2's graphic settings way to complex and that players should not have to work so hard to get game working well. This is a huge mistake on SOE part. You say not insults but all you do is insult me. As far as my eye for art direction. That is personnal taste is it not? Why do you have a problem with me liking the art direction in EQ2. I like it so what? I never said your like of WoW art direction is wrong as you do to me. I like WoW's art. I also like the totally different approach EQ2 took. They are different. All I have said is I feel EQ2 is unappreciated in my opinion and I prefer it over the other games list in the original post. The only reason I posted images of my own paintings was to show I like the cartoon style of WoW and relate to it even in my own art. So go ahead and "tell" me how bad my tastes are since you seem to be a person of good art tastes. Call me a liar because I had a different experience then you did with your fantastic computer. I defer to your knowledge, experience, and good taste. After all you have put me in my place more then once in this thread. Good job.
You called me ignorant and said I had a "crap box" long before I said you were lying. Hypocrite much?
Here are a few shots from EQ2. You can clearly see how inferior these graphics are to WOW.
Too bad your framerate in those shots are gonna be around 20 FPS because EQ2 does not take advantage of today's hardware..
Nice try, but 99% of the time the EQ2 colors look like this....dull...dull....dull
Im sorry, but those EQ2 ss are in low setting and dont express more than 1% of the game.
Why lie about a game?
Who do you want to keep away from reality, yourself or other players?
You can see this is not the truth by just checking some screenshots and videos related to EQ2... the fps argument is really painful and non consistent these days.
Not to mention the "human" characters have their eyes too close together so they look cross eyed.
You can change how the eyes look in EQ2 characters, so, again misinformation.
There is just nothing "interesting" about the art of EQ2. It is so bland.
Your opinion, but Im thinking about, you are judging based on the real EQ2 or in the misinformation you are trying to express here?
You even tried to gess the fps another poster is getting in EQ2
It is almost as if there is a grey filter over everything..
Not exacly...
See, I think everyone understand you really love WoW, it is a good game, but I dont think express some lies and misinformation about EQ2 is informative and constructive at all.
Everquest2 has much more content and pve challenges than WoW, WoW is easy to get into and has more pvp options, but both games have an unique artstyle (we just cant deny EQ2 is more advanced), some people will prefer EQ2, some people will prefer WoW, but the way you express your opinions (and some lies) as if they are the only truth wont help anyone here.
I think it's pretty sad that we only (really) have 4 major games (5 including WOW) in which to choose from. Anyway to respond:
WAR - PVP/RVR fest. PVE is a snooze. Endgame consists of my pvp/rvr and seiges, a few dungeons.
AOC - Nice PVE, I didnt get to endgame, but I know it needs work. Graphics are too demanding for the endgame as they envisioned it.
LOTRO - Snoozefest IMO. Too much group content, classes are rather dull and you can only play the "good" guy. The last point is utter fail iMO. Good crafting, and PVE storylines though, utterly beautiful graphics that dont take a nuclear PC to run.
EQ2 - Played it for years, great crafting, endgame is OK (not very well scripted imo), minigames like housing, lots of interesting classes, can play the "evil" side or the "good" side. The negatives: the community is toxic, small, the larger guilds are aholes, and you dont have alot of choices amoungst the guilds that are there. Itemization is terrible and the armour looks are dull, you look like every other class.
I say play LOTRO as you seem to be PVE oriented until some better games (and more choices) come out. At least the community in LOTRO is decent.
What is your problem? I never attacked you in the slightest. The only thing I had a problem with was you calling me a liar and you claiming I only get 20fps. I love WoW and have never attack the game in any post ever. I loved the game for 4 years. Why the put downs? Pride has nothing to do with my comments. I simply spent a lot of time researching, learning, and testing EQ2 and it's graphic settings. I simply have tried to share those hours of exploration with others. I mention the sticky because it has helped people enjoy EQ2 more and they have posted such. I simply wanted to share my experience to save others the time I had to invest. What is wrong with that? I did not compare my knowledge of EQ2 and it's coding to developers. I said I probably understand the ingame graphic setting as much as the developers. This meaning what all the settings do and the results of the changes from the players perspective. I did not lie as you claimed about me earlier. Do you have any idea of my post history and the many times I have said SOE made a huge mistake with it's direction of EQ2 being more a cpu game then gpu. I understand this issue fully and it is an old issue. Handing out what like a compliament? I have over and over called eq2's graphic settings way to complex and that players should not have to work so hard to get game working well. This is a huge mistake on SOE part. You say not insults but all you do is insult me. As far as my eye for art direction. That is personnal taste is it not? Why do you have a problem with me liking the art direction in EQ2. I like it so what? I never said your like of WoW art direction is wrong as you do to me. I like WoW's art. I also like the totally different approach EQ2 took. They are different. All I have said is I feel EQ2 is unappreciated in my opinion and I prefer it over the other games list in the original post. The only reason I posted images of my own paintings was to show I like the cartoon style of WoW and relate to it even in my own art. So go ahead and "tell" me how bad my tastes are since you seem to be a person of good art tastes. Call me a liar because I had a different experience then you did with your fantastic computer. I defer to your knowledge, experience, and good taste. After all you have put me in my place more then once in this thread. Good job.
You called me ignorant and said I had a "crap box" long before I said you were lying. Hypocrite much?
Reread the post I did not call you ignorant. I also did not say you had a crap box. I was not putting you down I was commenting on you blanket statement that I got 20 fps and was somehow lieing about this. How would you know that? You made that assumption based on your experience not mine. You did this in a very insulting way. I simple called you on it and pointed it out. I said you did not understand since you made it clear you had a great box. If your box is so great then it must have been you did not understand the best way to adjust the games settings. Many do not since SOE does not make it clear what exactly the results will be. You then post pictures of empty room to support the idea EQ2 is bland and bad art. Then you say we agree on something so I did not use anything that might offend you again but you come back with the liar crap. It is known here that I do not insult but I will point out the insults thrown at me and probably should just ignore responses like that. Maybe not the best idea to respond but I get tired of the attacks when I am just talking about a game and trying to help. You first response to me was insulting calling me basically a liar and had a tone I did not play WoW or like it. It was obvious you were trying to call me out with the 20 fps remark and put me down. Hense the strong response listed below. If I thought you were indeed ignorant I would not have responded. However smart people and say things out of ignorance. Which mean they do not understand. Big difference then calling someone ignorant.
I will make it easy here is the quote:
This is another example of someone speaking out of ignorance to make some weak point about WoW as if I have no clue. I played WoW for over 4 years you do not have to prove anything to me I like the WoW graphics. I think they are great. Either you have a crap box or you do not understand the overly complex graphic setting in EQ2.
Reread the post I did not call you ignorant. I also did not say you had a crap box. I was not putting you down I was commenting on you blanket statement that I got 20 fps and was somehow lieing about this. How would you know that? You made that assumption based on your experience not mine. You did this in a very insulting way. I simple called you on it and pointed it out. I said you did not understand since you made it clear you had a great box. If your box is so great then it must have been you did not understand the best way to adjust the games settings. Many do not since SOE does not make it clear what exactly the results will be. You then post pictures of empty room to support the idea EQ2 is bland and bad art. Then you say we agree on something so I did not use anything that might offend you again but you come back with the liar crap. It is known here that I do not insult but I will point out the insults thrown at me and probably should just ignore responses like that. Maybe not the best idea to respond but I get tired of the attacks when I am just talking about a game and trying to help. You first response to me was insulting calling me basically a liar and had a tone I did not play WoW or like it. It was obvious you were trying to call me out with the 20 fps remark and put me down. Hense the strong response listed below. If I thought you were indeed ignorant I would not have responded. However smart people and say things out of ignorance. Which mean they do not understand. Big difference then calling someone ignorant. I will make it easy here is the quote:
This is another example of someone speaking out of ignorance to make some weak point about WoW as if I have no clue. I played WoW for over 4 years you do not have to prove anything to me I like the WoW graphics. I think they are great. Either you have a crap box or you do not understand the overly complex graphic setting in EQ2.
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
Well, just as I figured, Everquest 2 seems to have a "cult" like following. It is very strange. They will stop at nothing to defend their game. If someone ever needs a good example of what a fanboi is, then this thread will suffice.
See how angry and frustrated they get when when you talk about how bland and dull Everquest 2 art design is.? Wanna know why? Because they know it's true. Deep down inside they too have noticed some of those ugly character models, and grey, dull textures with minimal shadowing..
We should all know by know how strong the Sony Fanboi Team (SFT) is.
People, please, think twice before creating a post that has "EQ2" or "Vanguard" in the title.
My work here is done. I have pulled several SFT members out from hiding. Together, we can expose them all....
Reread the post I did not call you ignorant. I also did not say you had a crap box. I was not putting you down I was commenting on you blanket statement that I got 20 fps and was somehow lieing about this. How would you know that? You made that assumption based on your experience not mine. You did this in a very insulting way. I simple called you on it and pointed it out. I said you did not understand since you made it clear you had a great box. If your box is so great then it must have been you did not understand the best way to adjust the games settings. Many do not since SOE does not make it clear what exactly the results will be. You then post pictures of empty room to support the idea EQ2 is bland and bad art. Then you say we agree on something so I did not use anything that might offend you again but you come back with the liar crap. It is known here that I do not insult but I will point out the insults thrown at me and probably should just ignore responses like that. Maybe not the best idea to respond but I get tired of the attacks when I am just talking about a game and trying to help. You first response to me was insulting calling me basically a liar and had a tone I did not play WoW or like it. It was obvious you were trying to call me out with the 20 fps remark and put me down. Hense the strong response listed below. If I thought you were indeed ignorant I would not have responded. However smart people and say things out of ignorance. Which mean they do not understand. Big difference then calling someone ignorant. I will make it easy here is the quote:
This is another example of someone speaking out of ignorance to make some weak point about WoW as if I have no clue. I played WoW for over 4 years you do not have to prove anything to me I like the WoW graphics. I think they are great. Either you have a crap box or you do not understand the overly complex graphic setting in EQ2.
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
That statement tells us a lot if we are paying attention. Have you thought of running for office?
Reread the post I did not call you ignorant. I also did not say you had a crap box. I was not putting you down I was commenting on you blanket statement that I got 20 fps and was somehow lieing about this. How would you know that? You made that assumption based on your experience not mine. You did this in a very insulting way. I simple called you on it and pointed it out. I said you did not understand since you made it clear you had a great box. If your box is so great then it must have been you did not understand the best way to adjust the games settings. Many do not since SOE does not make it clear what exactly the results will be. You then post pictures of empty room to support the idea EQ2 is bland and bad art. Then you say we agree on something so I did not use anything that might offend you again but you come back with the liar crap. It is known here that I do not insult but I will point out the insults thrown at me and probably should just ignore responses like that. Maybe not the best idea to respond but I get tired of the attacks when I am just talking about a game and trying to help. You first response to me was insulting calling me basically a liar and had a tone I did not play WoW or like it. It was obvious you were trying to call me out with the 20 fps remark and put me down. Hense the strong response listed below. If I thought you were indeed ignorant I would not have responded. However smart people and say things out of ignorance. Which mean they do not understand. Big difference then calling someone ignorant. I will make it easy here is the quote:
This is another example of someone speaking out of ignorance to make some weak point about WoW as if I have no clue. I played WoW for over 4 years you do not have to prove anything to me I like the WoW graphics. I think they are great. Either you have a crap box or you do not understand the overly complex graphic setting in EQ2.
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
That statement tells us a lot if we are paying attention. Have you thought of running for office?
What is funny is that he said I was speaking out of Ignorance and he said he did not call me "ignorant".
Reread the post I did not call you ignorant. I also did not say you had a crap box. I was not putting you down I was commenting on you blanket statement that I got 20 fps and was somehow lieing about this. How would you know that? You made that assumption based on your experience not mine. You did this in a very insulting way. I simple called you on it and pointed it out. I said you did not understand since you made it clear you had a great box. If your box is so great then it must have been you did not understand the best way to adjust the games settings. Many do not since SOE does not make it clear what exactly the results will be. You then post pictures of empty room to support the idea EQ2 is bland and bad art. Then you say we agree on something so I did not use anything that might offend you again but you come back with the liar crap. It is known here that I do not insult but I will point out the insults thrown at me and probably should just ignore responses like that. Maybe not the best idea to respond but I get tired of the attacks when I am just talking about a game and trying to help. You first response to me was insulting calling me basically a liar and had a tone I did not play WoW or like it. It was obvious you were trying to call me out with the 20 fps remark and put me down. Hense the strong response listed below. If I thought you were indeed ignorant I would not have responded. However smart people and say things out of ignorance. Which mean they do not understand. Big difference then calling someone ignorant. I will make it easy here is the quote:
This is another example of someone speaking out of ignorance to make some weak point about WoW as if I have no clue. I played WoW for over 4 years you do not have to prove anything to me I like the WoW graphics. I think they are great. Either you have a crap box or you do not understand the overly complex graphic setting in EQ2.
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
That statement tells us a lot if we are paying attention. Have you thought of running for office?
Well, just as I figured, Everquest 2 seems to have a "cult" like following. It is very strange. They will stop at nothing to defend their game. If someone ever needs a good example of what a fanboi is, then this thread will suffice. See how angry and frustrated they get when when you talk about how bland and dull Everquest 2 art design is.? Wanna know why? Because they know it's true. Deep down inside they too have noticed some of those ugly character models, and grey, dull textures with minimal shadowing.. We should all know by know how strong the Sony Fanboi Team (SFT) is. People, please, think twice before creating a post that has "EQ2" or "Vanguard" in the title. My work here is done. I have pulled several SFT members out from hiding. Together, we can expose them all.... *ducks head*
Donjn
The post is about War vs EQ2 vs AOC vs Lotro, right?
You came here and express your opinion and some misinformations about EQ2 as if they were universal truths and just to show how WoW (?) is a fantastic game and how WoW (?) has fantastic graphics.
EQ2 players here are not bashing WoW, not even talking about WoW, as the OP didnt ask about WoW.
EQ2 players are talking about the good aspects of EQ2
You used a Qeynos entrance SS in low quality (wich represents 1% of EQ2) to say (lie) EQ2 look like that 99% of the time... and use this argument to "show" how WoW (?) is fantastic.
When someone showed fantastic Everquest 2 screens and videos you refused to belive and start to say the game must run like crap in the player PC.
Then you came here and talk about Everquest 2 "fanbois"?
EQ2 players who expressed their opinion about EQ2 and the other games, some dont like War, some dont like Lotro (myself), but no one expressed misinformation to proove how EQ2 is "great".... you did it, and the worst part, the OP question is NOT related to WoW.
I dont know, but are you sure you are right when you point your finger and call someone fanboi?
You didnt exposed no one, you just exposed yourself and in a bad, bad way.
No one is angry or frustrated, but when someone like you, lie and say about EQ2 grey filter, well, we just come here and say the truth...
By the way, Gears of War and Assassins Creed have a grey filter and both look good...the question is, EQ2 does not has a grey filter...just an example.
You can edit character´s eyes in EQ2 and the character will look direct to your target, so, what you said about the eyes, one more lie.
The only work you did here is, again, expose yourself.
Forget about your angry and frustration, even the OP didnt ask about WoW and you dont need to bash other games to make WoW look good... you know, this is the kind of attitude people call fanboism.
No one is hiding, most EQ2 players talk openly about EQ2 and other games in these forums, please dont be ridiculous, you are just giving WoW fans a bad reputation here.
The way you tried to sound funny and offensive at the end only shows one thing, you are the one angry and frustrated.
Donjn The post is about War vs EQ2 vs AOC vs Lotro, right? yes You came here and express your opinion and some misinformations (this is subjective) about EQ2 as if they were universal truths and just to show how WoW (?) is a fantastic game and how WoW (?) has fantastic graphics. EQ2 players here are not bashing WoW, not even talking about WoW, as the OP didnt ask about WoW. Actually you are wrong. eccoton started this whole WoW thing by making a comment about WoW's graphics. Check your facts..
EQ2 players are talking about the good aspects of EQ2 And ignoring the bad...
You used a Qeynos entrance SS in low quality (wich represents 1% of EQ2) to say (lie) EQ2 look like that 99% of the time... and use this argument to "show" how WoW (?) is fantastic. How do you know it was low quality? If eccoton can post screenshots in perfect lighting conditions why can't I do it in conditions that give someone an acceptable framerate?
When someone showed fantastic Everquest 2 screens and videos you refused to belive and start to say the game must run like crap in the player PC. This is true...
Then you came here and talk about Everquest 2 "fanbois"? Yes. You're point is?
EQ2 players who expressed their opinion about EQ2 and the other games, some dont like War, some dont like Lotro (myself), but no one expressed misinformation to proove how EQ2 is "great".... you did it, and the worst part, the OP question is NOT related to WoW. Again tell this to eccoton who mentioned WoW first, not me....lol. I am getting tired of repeating myself.
I dont know, but are you sure you are right when you point your finger and call someone fanboi? Yes I am. Because of all the fanboi's out there, Sony fanboi's are notorious for being so dedicated that they completely miss things that some of us see.
You didnt exposed no one, you just exposed yourself and in a bad, bad way. Trust me, you dont want me exposing myself...
No one is angry or frustrated, but when someone like you, lie and say about EQ2 grey filter, well, we just come here and say the truth... Everquest 2 has dull coloring. This is how I feel. No one can change that. This is not a lie. This is my opinion.
By the way, Gears of War and Assassins Creed have a grey filter and both look good...the question is, EQ2 does not has a grey filter...just an example. Yes but they also have a bit more coloring and quite a bit more bump mapping. EQ2 is not even in the same ballpark...Weird analogy...
You can edit character´s eyes in EQ2 and the character will look direct to your target, so, what you said about the eyes, one more lie. Yes but nomatter what you do, the male humans still look cross-eyed. Sorry. It's true..
Forget about your angry and frustration, even the OP didnt ask about WoW and you dont need to bash other games to make WoW look good... you know, this is the kind of attitude people call fanboism. I jumped in when eccoton talked about WoW.
No one is hiding, most EQ2 players talk openly about EQ2 and other games in these forums, please dont be ridiculous, you are just giving WoW fans a bad reputation here. I did not know I represent all WoW fans. Way to over generalize 11 million people...lol
The way you tried to sound funny and offensive at the end only shows one thing, you are the one angry and frustrated. If having a sense of humor makes me look angry then continue to think that all you want.
EQ2 players here are not bashing WoW, not even talking about WoW, as the OP didnt ask about WoW. Actually you are wrong. eccoton started this whole WoW thing by making a comment about WoW's graphics. Check your facts..
Donjn you might want to check your facts. It was actually Zorndorf who brought up WoW and I responded to him. When I respond to a thread I read all the posts. You did read in that response to Zorndorf that I said WoW was one of the greatest mmos of all time didn't you? Hardly a comment you would hear from an EQ2 fanboi.
Donjn The post is about War vs EQ2 vs AOC vs Lotro, right? yes You came here and express your opinion and some misinformations (this is subjective) about EQ2 as if they were universal truths and just to show how WoW (?) is a fantastic game and how WoW (?) has fantastic graphics. EQ2 players here are not bashing WoW, not even talking about WoW, as the OP didnt ask about WoW. Actually you are wrong. eccoton started this whole WoW thing by making a comment about WoW's graphics. Check your facts.. It was not Eccoton Donjn, I dont need to check "my" facts. Like or dislike is subjective, show a low quality SS of qeynos entrance and say 99%os EQ2 look like that is not subjective. EQ2 players are talking about the good aspects of EQ2 And ignoring the bad... No, you just cant accept some misconceptions you have about EQ2 are not the bad side of EQ2, because they are not exacly real. The lack of more pvp options would be one of the bad aspects, but most of pve players dont care about it.
You used a Qeynos entrance SS in low quality (wich represents 1% of EQ2) to say (lie) EQ2 look like that 99% of the time... and use this argument to "show" how WoW (?) is fantastic. How do you know it was low quality? If eccoton can post screenshots in perfect lighting conditions why can't I do it in conditions that give someone an acceptable framerate? Because I know the game? What a silly question... Sorry but eccoton SS reflect how the game looks for everyone that play it in high settings (most of today player base)... Everquest 2 doesnt look good in Low quality ,same happens with AOC but most of EQ2 and AOC player base play the game in medium high, ultra high settings... so yes, Everquest 2 look like those screens Eccoton posted... Why do you think this is an issue? It is not, it is the reality. Will it make people who enjoy WoW enjoy EQ2? Not at all, I dont know why you see how EQ2 look in reality as an issue and are trying hide this fact. When someone showed fantastic Everquest 2 screens and videos you refused to belive and start to say the game must run like crap in the player PC. This is true... So, now you realized that you really said that, but what you said does not express the reality.
Then you came here and talk about Everquest 2 "fanbois"? Yes. You're point is? The point is, it seems to be easy for you to point your finger to someone ... btw, fanboi and troll acusations are against the rules, arent they?
EQ2 players who expressed their opinion about EQ2 and the other games, some dont like War, some dont like Lotro (myself), but no one expressed misinformation to proove how EQ2 is "great".... you did it, and the worst part, the OP question is NOT related to WoW. Again tell this to eccoton who mentioned WoW first, not me....lol. I am getting tired of repeating myself. You can get tired, I dont mind... because it was not eccoton. I dont know, but are you sure you are right when you point your finger and call someone fanboi? Yes I am. Because of all the fanboi's out there, Sony fanboi's are notorious for being so dedicated that they completely miss things that some of us see. I see, so what do you say when someone say, WoW is childish, it looks goofy, it is easy, it is a game for children and for people that has a crap PC and call you a crazy Blizzard fanboi? You know, you are doing exacly the same. You didnt exposed no one, you just exposed yourself and in a bad, bad way. Trust me, you dont want me exposing myself... I dont care about you donjn, just about your arguments related to MMOs, and yes, you exposed yourself in a bad way in this subject.
No one is angry or frustrated, but when someone like you, lie and say about EQ2 grey filter, well, we just come here and say the truth... Everquest 2 has dull coloring. This is how I feel. No one can change that. This is not a lie. This is my opinion. Ahh I see, this is your opinion now? Im ok with that. As in my opinion WoW classes (excludingDK) are uninspired and the character are too goofy for me... But remember you didnt expressed it as YOUR opinion at first. By the way, Gears of War and Assassins Creed have a grey filter and both look good...the question is, EQ2 does not has a grey filter...just an example. Yes but they also have a bit more coloring and quite a bit more bump mapping. EQ2 is not even in the same ballpark...Weird analogy... No, they are by far less coloring, Im not sure you know these games, and no it is not an analogy, I just mentioned games that really use gray filter.... EQ2 does not has it, this is why you were wrong. By the way there is no game less colored than Gears of War... and I really like GW artstyle. You can edit character´s eyes in EQ2 and the character will look direct to your target, so, what you said about the eyes, one more lie. Yes but nomatter what you do, the male humans still look cross-eyed. Sorry. It's true..
The eyes are animated as I said, not static, so, Im ok with your opinion, but sorry, it is not a static fact.
Forget about your angry and frustration, even the OP didnt ask about WoW and you dont need to bash other games to make WoW look good... you know, this is the kind of attitude people call fanboism. I jumped in when eccoton talked about WoW. I see, so it is more of a personal issue with Eccoton?
No one is hiding, most EQ2 players talk openly about EQ2 and other games in these forums, please dont be ridiculous, you are just giving WoW fans a bad reputation here. I did not know I represent all WoW fans. Way to over generalize 11 million people...lol No, you dont, I have some friends who play EQ2 and WoW and love both, I also know some very nice WoW players, but you are represent WoW fanboism in the worst way... similar like some DF players represent DF community.... but of course, you have the right to express your opinion, just dont try to express opinions as fact. The way you tried to sound funny and offensive at the end only shows one thing, you are the one angry and frustrated. If having a sense of humor makes me look angry then continue to think that all you want. No you were offensive and tried to take every argument against yours as pure blind famboism, this is not a reflect of sense of humor, but frustration.
EQ2 players here are not bashing WoW, not even talking about WoW, as the OP didnt ask about WoW. Actually you are wrong. eccoton started this whole WoW thing by making a comment about WoW's graphics. Check your facts..
Donjn you might want to check your facts. It was actually Zorndorf who brought up WoW and I responded to him. When I respond to a thread I read all the posts. You did read in that response to Zorndorf that I said WoW was one of the greatest mmos of all time didn't you? Hardly a comment you would hear from an EQ2 fanboi.
My point was, I did not start talking about WoW. Unbral falsely accused me of this. Whether it was you or someone else who brought up WoW, was not the point. I was defending the fact that it was not me...
Donjn The post is about War vs EQ2 vs AOC vs Lotro, right? yes You came here and express your opinion and some misinformations (this is subjective) about EQ2 as if they were universal truths and just to show how WoW (?) is a fantastic game and how WoW (?) has fantastic graphics. EQ2 players here are not bashing WoW, not even talking about WoW, as the OP didnt ask about WoW. Actually you are wrong. eccoton started this whole WoW thing by making a comment about WoW's graphics. Check your facts.. It was not Eccoton Donjn, I dont need to check "my" facts. Yes but it was not me. You said I brought WoW into this thread. You were wrong.... EQ2 players are talking about the good aspects of EQ2 And ignoring the bad... No, you just cant accept some misconceptions you have about EQ2 are not the bad side of EQ2, because they are not exacly real. The graphics look dull to me. Sorry you cant handle this.. You used a Qeynos entrance SS in low quality (wich represents 1% of EQ2) to say (lie) EQ2 look like that 99% of the time... and use this argument to "show" how WoW (?) is fantastic. How do you know it was low quality? If eccoton can post screenshots in perfect lighting conditions why can't I do it in conditions that give someone an acceptable framerate? Because I know the game? What a silly question... Sorry but eccoton SS reflect how the game looks for everyone that play it in high settings (most of today player base)... Everquest 2 doesnt look good in Low quality ,same happens with AOC but most of EQ2 and AOC player base play the game in medium high, ultra high settings... so yes, Everquest 2 look like those screens Eccoton posted... But not at an acceptable frame rate... Why do you think this is an issue? It is not, it is the reality. Will it make people who enjoy WoW enjoy EQ2? Not at all, I dont know why you see how EQ2 look in reality as an issue and are trying hide this fact. I am begining to have problems with some of your sentence structure. What nationality are you? Is it asian? I am not making fun, just curious thats all.. When someone showed fantastic Everquest 2 screens and videos you refused to belive and start to say the game must run like crap in the player PC. This is true... So, now you realized that you really said that, but what you said does not express the reality. You keep talking about this "reality" of yours? My reality is that EQ2 looks bland and dull, and the engine sucks..
Then you came here and talk about Everquest 2 "fanbois"? Yes. You're point is? The point is, it seems to be easy for you to point your finger to someone ... btw, fanboi and troll acusations are against the rules, arent they? I would not consider that name calling no... EQ2 players who expressed their opinion about EQ2 and the other games, some dont like War, some dont like Lotro (myself), but no one expressed misinformation to proove how EQ2 is "great".... you did it, and the worst part, the OP question is NOT related to WoW. Again tell this to eccoton who mentioned WoW first, not me....lol. I am getting tired of repeating myself. You can get tired, I dont mind... because it was not eccoton. But it was not me as I proved. You said it was me earlier... I dont know, but are you sure you are right when you point your finger and call someone fanboi? Yes I am. Because of all the fanboi's out there, Sony fanboi's are notorious for being so dedicated that they completely miss things that some of us see. I see, so what do you say when someone say, WoW is childish, it looks goofy, it is easy, it is a game for children and for people that has a crap PC and call you a crazy Blizzard fanboi? You know, you are doing exacly the same. Now you are going overboard. I dont like EQ2 artwork. I also have noticed that people who like Sony products are passionate about them. You didnt exposed no one, you just exposed yourself and in a bad, bad way. Trust me, you dont want me exposing myself... I dont care about you donjn, just about your arguments related to MMOs, and yes, you exposed yourself in a bad way in this subject. I am glad you care about my arguments so much, because I am right No one is angry or frustrated, but when someone like you, lie and say about EQ2 grey filter, well, we just come here and say the truth... Everquest 2 has dull coloring. This is how I feel. No one can change that. This is not a lie. This is my opinion. Ahh I see, this is your opinion now? Im ok with that. As in my opinion WoW classes (excludingDK) are uninspired and the character are too goofy for me... I dont like all of the WoW classes. And yes I think WoW graphics are cartoon-like. But the lore and artisty are amazing. But remember you didnt expressed it as YOUR opinion at first. By the way, Gears of War and Assassins Creed have a grey filter and both look good...the question is, EQ2 does not has a grey filter...just an example. Yes but they also have a bit more coloring and quite a bit more bump mapping. EQ2 is not even in the same ballpark...Weird analogy... No, they are by far less coloring, Im not sure you know these games, and no it is not an analogy, I just mentioned games that really use gray filter.... EQ2 does not has it, this is why you were wrong. Grey filter, etc, etc. Whatever you want to call it, EQ2 just looks bland. Those other games do not. By the way there is no game less colored than Gears of War... and I really like GW artstyle. Same here, because it looks NOTHING like EQ2. You can edit character´s eyes in EQ2 and the character will look direct to your target, so, what you said about the eyes, one more lie. Yes but nomatter what you do, the male humans still look cross-eyed. Sorry. It's true..
The eyes are animated as I said, not static, so, Im ok with your opinion, but sorry, it is not a static fact. All I know is, upon creating a human male, EVERY POSSIBLE combination resulted in the cross eyed look. Forget about your angry and frustration, even the OP didnt ask about WoW and you dont need to bash other games to make WoW look good... you know, this is the kind of attitude people call fanboism. I jumped in when eccoton talked about WoW. I see, so it is more of a personal issue with Eccoton? I have nothing agaisnt him. No one is hiding, most EQ2 players talk openly about EQ2 and other games in these forums, please dont be ridiculous, you are just giving WoW fans a bad reputation here. I did not know I represent all WoW fans. Way to over generalize 11 million people...lol No, you dont, I have some friends who play EQ2 and WoW and love both, I also know some very nice WoW players, but you are represent WoW fanboism in the worst way... similar like some DF players represent DF community.... but of course, you have the right to express your opinion, just dont try to express opinions as fact. So let me get this straight, you complain that I use the term fanboi then turn around and use it on me? Amazing, just amazing. You just lost this argument. Im done
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IMHO all current games are "okay". Out of your four, I would say LotRO or EQ2. I found EQ2 was more fun at first. I actually liked the voice-overs, which practically disappeared after newbie island, but SOE's taint quickly killed it. LotRO, for me, was great right at the start but then got pretty boring and monotonous. Both had good graphics, but I think graphics are second at most on the list of factors for an MMOG.
Personally, I'd prefer to go back to EQ but they would need to make some hard choices to bring that back to life (like removing a number of zones and updating the mechanics). I loved Vanguard for about four years but management killed that before it launched--it's amazingly beautiful though, if you have a system that can take it. I "beat" WoW six months after launch and saw the writing on the wall right then, and since then it's simply been a glorified $15/mo chat server. The only reason I ever go back is to say hi to people, eat up any new content in a day or two, then cancel again...which is pretty sad.
In short, nothing out right now is worthy of my money or time. No games on the horizon are, either. Darkfall seems interesting, but will fail because of the people it will attract, just like Mortal Online, just like Shadowbane. If they're lucky the anti-asshole mechanics will help, but MMOGs give individuals the power to ruin the game for the masses, thereby making it fail, and ruining it for themselves. Everything PvE is dumbed-down, with no challenge or consequences, mostly due to WoW retarding the genre.
Help us BioWare, you're our only hope.
What is your problem? I never attacked you in the slightest. The only thing I had a problem with was you calling me a liar and you claiming I only get 20fps. I love WoW and have never attack the game in any post ever. I loved the game for 4 years. Why the put downs?
Pride has nothing to do with my comments. I simply spent a lot of time researching, learning, and testing EQ2 and it's graphic settings. I simply have tried to share those hours of exploration with others. I mention the sticky because it has helped people enjoy EQ2 more and they have posted such. I simply wanted to share my experience to save others the time I had to invest. What is wrong with that? I did not compare my knowledge of EQ2 and it's coding to developers. I said I probably understand the ingame graphic setting as much as the developers. This meaning what all the settings do and the results of the changes from the players perspective.
I did not lie as you claimed about me earlier. Do you have any idea of my post history and the many times I have said SOE made a huge mistake with it's direction of EQ2 being more a cpu game then gpu. I understand this issue fully and it is an old issue. Handing out what like a compliament? I have over and over called eq2's graphic settings way to complex and that players should not have to work so hard to get game working well. This is a huge mistake on SOE part. You say not insults but all you do is insult me.
As far as my eye for art direction. That is personnal taste is it not? Why do you have a problem with me liking the art direction in EQ2. I like it so what? I never said your like of WoW art direction is wrong as you do to me. I like WoW's art. I also like the totally different approach EQ2 took. They are different. All I have said is I feel EQ2 is unappreciated in my opinion and I prefer it over the other games list in the original post. The only reason I posted images of my own paintings was to show I like the cartoon style of WoW and relate to it even in my own art.
So go ahead and "tell" me how bad my tastes are since you seem to be a person of good art tastes. Call me a liar because I had a different experience then you did with your fantastic computer. I defer to your knowledge, experience, and good taste. After all you have put me in my place more then once in this thread. Good job.
I like the look of the avatars, armor, and individuals. However, I don't really like the environment, can't compare them to AoC (probably not a fair comparison).
I love EQ2 but I do agree with this. I like the EQ2 enviroments but AoC and LOTRO do it better. Even though artistically they maybe better EQ2's eviroments seem more believable as a living world not just great looking views. Remember both those games are pretty new and EQ2 is over 4 years old now.
This is a very good point. The result of this for me is that EQ2's enviroments may not be a "lush" or "pretty" as other games but they are more interesting for me. There is also a consistent art direction throughout the game that makes the world more believable for the mmo experience I prefer.
WAR: PvP game, PvE is dull
EQ2: outdated. its all about endgame now.
AoC: PvP focused, better than it was but still not great.
LotRO: Excellent PvE game, not up to the same standard as WoW, but as good as you are going to get.
That said I've tried all of the above at least twice each and I'm back to WoW again.
Grymm
MMO addict in recovery!
EQ,SWG preCU,L2,EQ2,GW,CoH/CoV,V:SOH,
Aion,AoC,TR,WAR,EVE,BP,RIFT,WoW and others... no more!
If I have to choose among the four, it would be WAR>LotRO>EQ2>AoC. I'm going with this order according to how I think each title will be able to add sustaining content for players to stay entertained for years.
Although WAR is a bit young to have them, I'm sure WAR will have decent expansions to fix current content issues. I place LotRO above EQ2 because I think that MoM was a much better expansion than recent EQ2 expansions - I feel that LotRO will bring more fresh material in the future and EQ2 will stick with providing enough content to keep core players. Currently, I am very unsure of how AoC will develop in the future.
I liked that Lotro let you queue up your next action. It had some other nice elements too.
That said, I found the combat very slow for some reason. I've played WoW and some other games a lot, but Lotro just seemed to be significantly slower in how everything happened. I didn't time out stuff, but I got very bored with it very quickly (I got to about level 14 or so in the trial before I couldn't take it any more).
You called me ignorant and said I had a "crap box" long before I said you were lying. Hypocrite much?
Too bad your framerate in those shots are gonna be around 20 FPS because EQ2 does not take advantage of today's hardware..
Nice try, but 99% of the time the EQ2 colors look like this....dull...dull....dull
Im sorry, but those EQ2 ss are in low setting and dont express more than 1% of the game.
Why lie about a game?
Who do you want to keep away from reality, yourself or other players?
You can see this is not the truth by just checking some screenshots and videos related to EQ2... the fps argument is really painful and non consistent these days.
Not to mention the "human" characters have their eyes too close together so they look cross eyed.
You can change how the eyes look in EQ2 characters, so, again misinformation.
There is just nothing "interesting" about the art of EQ2. It is so bland.
Your opinion, but Im thinking about, you are judging based on the real EQ2 or in the misinformation you are trying to express here?
You even tried to gess the fps another poster is getting in EQ2
It is almost as if there is a grey filter over everything..
Not exacly...
See, I think everyone understand you really love WoW, it is a good game, but I dont think express some lies and misinformation about EQ2 is informative and constructive at all.
Everquest2 has much more content and pve challenges than WoW, WoW is easy to get into and has more pvp options, but both games have an unique artstyle (we just cant deny EQ2 is more advanced), some people will prefer EQ2, some people will prefer WoW, but the way you express your opinions (and some lies) as if they are the only truth wont help anyone here.
I think it's pretty sad that we only (really) have 4 major games (5 including WOW) in which to choose from. Anyway to respond:
WAR - PVP/RVR fest. PVE is a snooze. Endgame consists of my pvp/rvr and seiges, a few dungeons.
AOC - Nice PVE, I didnt get to endgame, but I know it needs work. Graphics are too demanding for the endgame as they envisioned it.
LOTRO - Snoozefest IMO. Too much group content, classes are rather dull and you can only play the "good" guy. The last point is utter fail iMO. Good crafting, and PVE storylines though, utterly beautiful graphics that dont take a nuclear PC to run.
EQ2 - Played it for years, great crafting, endgame is OK (not very well scripted imo), minigames like housing, lots of interesting classes, can play the "evil" side or the "good" side. The negatives: the community is toxic, small, the larger guilds are aholes, and you dont have alot of choices amoungst the guilds that are there. Itemization is terrible and the armour looks are dull, you look like every other class.
I say play LOTRO as you seem to be PVE oriented until some better games (and more choices) come out. At least the community in LOTRO is decent.
Current Games: WOW, EVE Online
You called me ignorant and said I had a "crap box" long before I said you were lying. Hypocrite much?
Reread the post I did not call you ignorant. I also did not say you had a crap box. I was not putting you down I was commenting on you blanket statement that I got 20 fps and was somehow lieing about this. How would you know that? You made that assumption based on your experience not mine. You did this in a very insulting way. I simple called you on it and pointed it out. I said you did not understand since you made it clear you had a great box. If your box is so great then it must have been you did not understand the best way to adjust the games settings. Many do not since SOE does not make it clear what exactly the results will be. You then post pictures of empty room to support the idea EQ2 is bland and bad art. Then you say we agree on something so I did not use anything that might offend you again but you come back with the liar crap. It is known here that I do not insult but I will point out the insults thrown at me and probably should just ignore responses like that. Maybe not the best idea to respond but I get tired of the attacks when I am just talking about a game and trying to help. You first response to me was insulting calling me basically a liar and had a tone I did not play WoW or like it. It was obvious you were trying to call me out with the 20 fps remark and put me down. Hense the strong response listed below. If I thought you were indeed ignorant I would not have responded. However smart people and say things out of ignorance. Which mean they do not understand. Big difference then calling someone ignorant.
I will make it easy here is the quote:
This is another example of someone speaking out of ignorance to make some weak point about WoW as if I have no clue. I played WoW for over 4 years you do not have to prove anything to me I like the WoW graphics. I think they are great. Either you have a crap box or you do not understand the overly complex graphic setting in EQ2.
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
Well, just as I figured, Everquest 2 seems to have a "cult" like following. It is very strange. They will stop at nothing to defend their game. If someone ever needs a good example of what a fanboi is, then this thread will suffice.
See how angry and frustrated they get when when you talk about how bland and dull Everquest 2 art design is.? Wanna know why? Because they know it's true. Deep down inside they too have noticed some of those ugly character models, and grey, dull textures with minimal shadowing..
We should all know by know how strong the Sony Fanboi Team (SFT) is.
People, please, think twice before creating a post that has "EQ2" or "Vanguard" in the title.
My work here is done. I have pulled several SFT members out from hiding. Together, we can expose them all....
*ducks head*
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
That statement tells us a lot if we are paying attention. Have you thought of running for office?
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
That statement tells us a lot if we are paying attention. Have you thought of running for office?
What is funny is that he said I was speaking out of Ignorance and he said he did not call me "ignorant".
Interesting study in dualities..
I never called you a liar. I said you were "lying". Big difference.
That statement tells us a lot if we are paying attention. Have you thought of running for office?
No but now that you mention it....
Donjn
The post is about War vs EQ2 vs AOC vs Lotro, right?
You came here and express your opinion and some misinformations about EQ2 as if they were universal truths and just to show how WoW (?) is a fantastic game and how WoW (?) has fantastic graphics.
EQ2 players here are not bashing WoW, not even talking about WoW, as the OP didnt ask about WoW.
EQ2 players are talking about the good aspects of EQ2
You used a Qeynos entrance SS in low quality (wich represents 1% of EQ2) to say (lie) EQ2 look like that 99% of the time... and use this argument to "show" how WoW (?) is fantastic.
When someone showed fantastic Everquest 2 screens and videos you refused to belive and start to say the game must run like crap in the player PC.
Then you came here and talk about Everquest 2 "fanbois"?
EQ2 players who expressed their opinion about EQ2 and the other games, some dont like War, some dont like Lotro (myself), but no one expressed misinformation to proove how EQ2 is "great".... you did it, and the worst part, the OP question is NOT related to WoW.
I dont know, but are you sure you are right when you point your finger and call someone fanboi?
You didnt exposed no one, you just exposed yourself and in a bad, bad way.
No one is angry or frustrated, but when someone like you, lie and say about EQ2 grey filter, well, we just come here and say the truth...
By the way, Gears of War and Assassins Creed have a grey filter and both look good...the question is, EQ2 does not has a grey filter...just an example.
You can edit character´s eyes in EQ2 and the character will look direct to your target, so, what you said about the eyes, one more lie.
The only work you did here is, again, expose yourself.
Forget about your angry and frustration, even the OP didnt ask about WoW and you dont need to bash other games to make WoW look good... you know, this is the kind of attitude people call fanboism.
No one is hiding, most EQ2 players talk openly about EQ2 and other games in these forums, please dont be ridiculous, you are just giving WoW fans a bad reputation here.
The way you tried to sound funny and offensive at the end only shows one thing, you are the one angry and frustrated.
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Donjn you might want to check your facts. It was actually Zorndorf who brought up WoW and I responded to him. When I respond to a thread I read all the posts. You did read in that response to Zorndorf that I said WoW was one of the greatest mmos of all time didn't you? Hardly a comment you would hear from an EQ2 fanboi.
Stop all back-and-forth personal based replies everyone so we don't have to edit or delete posts, or lock the thread.
"How do you prove we exist? Maybe we don't exist."
all of them is a hit and stop hit and stop game exept for age of conan. so im going for age of conan.
Donjn you might want to check your facts. It was actually Zorndorf who brought up WoW and I responded to him. When I respond to a thread I read all the posts. You did read in that response to Zorndorf that I said WoW was one of the greatest mmos of all time didn't you? Hardly a comment you would hear from an EQ2 fanboi.
My point was, I did not start talking about WoW. Unbral falsely accused me of this. Whether it was you or someone else who brought up WoW, was not the point. I was defending the fact that it was not me...
I think were all losers here....online arguing about video games
Uhh... what?
