Wait, so you're saying that 'this game's physics are amazing' is not up for debate? Really? If he said 'I think this game's physics are amazing', then yeah - you'd have a point. But opinions are always open for debate, regardless. In any case it's clear you're only trying to aggravate him without having to actually think. I wish I could find a legitimate opinion of Darkfall. They're all either glowing fanboy reviews or rabid hate-filled diatribes. This thread has both.
Nope, read my entry into the thread. I merely stated that one had to aim high in order to hit a distant target with Archery, as stated by the OP, was a fact. I also stated that "amazing physics" was simply his opinion.
I was then involved in a discussion in which a poster tried to make the case that "amazing physics" was something other than an opinion, with whom I disagreed.
As far as I know, the original poster may have never seen physics in a game similar to what he has seen in Darkfall. If that is the case, he may indeed find such physics amazing.
Anyone else's opinion, regarding the OP's definition of amazing will not change the fact that when he wrote the OP, he believed that the physics where, in his opinion, amazing.
That's all...
(ps. I play Darkfall and, in my opinion, it is a blast. The most fun I have ever had playing an MMO.)
Do you guys ever play the game or are you....oh nm. Your ps, is interesting, I can t count how many times you ve said that, it s getting old.
Do you guys ever play the game or are you....oh nm. Your ps, is interesting, I can t count how many times you ve said that, it s getting old.
Yea, it's getting old, but no less true and simply sums up exactly what I feel about the game.
Doesn't mean that I don't believe that AV is not having some serious issues related to demand and some server side things, but even with those issues, the game still stands pretty much alone in the fun department, as far as I am concerned.
I have been playing Darkfall for a couple weeks and cant log off I haven't enjoyed playing a game this much for years. World: DFO has an open world that is more impressive then any game on the market rite now. It is enormous and unique in every area. Every clan city and hamlet is unique no cookie cutter stuff that we are used to. Guild cities have utility this is also unique it has a bank and a clan stone which allows your guild to center their operations in the same area. PvP: Honestly I could never go back to a tab+macro+dont look at your monitor and continue eating cheetos type of game. Its like half FPS half mmo strategy. Also the physics are amazing how when you shoot an arrow at someone you have to compensate for distance and aim higher. Also this is the first game where you brought back the risk vs reward element of play. PvP victories actually mean something again. I mean I wont lie and say that I dont cuss out my computer when I loose and the person above me tells me I suck while looting all my stuff nothing sucks more then that but again I cant go back to meaningless PvP. Crafting/Pve: I hate both crafting and PvE. But crafting is actually easy enough that I can handle it I am a bower so this helps me in easily providing unlimited arrows for myself. Mobs can be very tricky to kill but again they put an end to the kill spider rest walk 20 feet kill another spider I will never play a game like that again. Darkfalls release has been fairly good that is if you can actually buy the game. In my experience the servers have been stable there have been a few instances where for some reason all the mobs disappear but then they reboot the servers and they are back. Also I have not seen widespread hacking. The only thing I saw once was someone speed hacking and I reported them. I am not a fanboy I am just some guy who enjoys MMO's if you want to come find me and take my gear for having an honest outlook on this game my name is Aquitis and I live at the Apollo Hamlet. apollo.mmoguildsites.net/
If the game is so great then why are you sorry... wth?
I am not lying physics do work in Darkfall much like they do in the real world. Another example with arrows is that if you shot almost strait in the air 20 seconds later the arrow would land at your feet. I participated in a guild city siege and it was like the movie 300 with the archer line arching the arrows into the enemy masses. This is nothing new in the gaming world however its one of the things that makes DF stand out in the MMO world.
As far as an 86 page thread about account issues I don't think the issues were cases where people were billed and not able to play the game more so people did not get their account in time. It was a limited release and I got in on the second try. I think its very possible that there was account issues however based on the large pool of players I sampled I could not find an example of it. I don't work in the gaming industry but in my industry until I have a customers money I have no obligation to that customer. New servers do need to be put in ASAP limited release has turned off some players who would enjoy darkfall but don't want to play it because they feel victimized by not getting a copy rite away.
Also I did not intend to insult anyones game if you enjoy playing another MMO then I am happy for you. But keep in mind that most MMO's that use tab targets can be played entirely with your left hand with WASD and utilizing shift and alt for alternate hot bars with macros you can do everything quickly freeing your right hand to eat dinner or talk on a cell phone while playing and eliminates the need to really look at what is going on in the game other then your status bar and the tabbed enemy's. This is what makes Darkfall stand out I would never dream of eating dinner while playing DF, infact if I even get an important phone call and cant dedicate at least 75 percent of my attention to the game I log off because if you don't pay attention you end up dead quick.
Player city gates do need to be installed I am fortunate though because my guild city is kind of secret and hidden underneath a waterfall and is very difficult to find even if you knew the exact location.
I hope this cleared up misunderstandings that people had with my post.
I am not lying physics do work in Darkfall much like they do in the real world. Another example with arrows is that if you shot almost strait in the air 20 seconds later the arrow would land at your feet. I participated in a guild city siege and it was like the movie 300 with the archer line arching the arrows into the enemy masses. This is nothing new in the gaming world however its one of the things that makes DF stand out in the MMO world. As far as an 86 page thread about account issues I don't think the issues were cases where people were billed and not able to play the game more so people did not get their account in time. It was a limited release and I got in on the second try. I think its very possible that there was account issues however based on the large pool of players I sampled I could not find an example of it. I don't work in the gaming industry but in my industry until I have a customers money I have no obligation to that customer. New servers do need to be put in ASAP limited release has turned off some players who would enjoy darkfall but don't want to play it because they feel victimized by not getting a copy rite away. Also I did not intend to insult anyones game if you enjoy playing another MMO then I am happy for you. But keep in mind that most MMO's that use tab targets can be played entirely with your left hand with WASD and utilizing shift and alt for alternate hot bars with macros you can do everything quickly freeing your right hand to eat dinner or talk on a cell phone while playing and eliminates the need to really look at what is going on in the game other then your status bar and the tabbed enemy's. This is what makes Darkfall stand out I would never dream of eating dinner while playing DF, infact if I even get an important phone call and cant dedicate at least 75 percent of my attention to the game I log off because if you don't pay attention you end up dead quick. Player city gates do need to be installed I am fortunate though because my guild city is kind of secret and hidden underneath a waterfall and is very difficult to find even if you knew the exact location. I hope this cleared up misunderstandings that people had with my post.
Glad you guys are liking it. My guys have had some fun fights against your crew at the EXGS city. They tell me that they appreciate the daily armor donations you guys bring to their town I'll be looking forward to seeing you on the battlefield one of these days if I haven't already.
I just wish those few people who do enjoy the game could say so without making blatantly false statements about the rest of the MMO genre. Name one major release where tab-auto-attack, walk away is a viable strategy. Sure, you COULD do that, but you'd come back to the bindstone/graveyard/whatever. Don't make idiot statements like that to try to look more hardcore than the rest of us. Can't take one other word you typed seriously if your basic premise starts out with a falsehood.
Wrath of the lich king?
Well, I haven't played WoW since about 3 months after release, so I cannot say if this is true or not, but I doubt it. WoW is by no means challenging, and I have heard WotLK made it even easier, but i am pretty sure to win an even level fight, you still need to actually click on your abilities.
The combat system is fun for a bit, but anyone who has played any recent action games knows that DFs combat is extremely basic.
The entire meele system consists of run up and click left mouse button and hope you hit. In AoC you at least had different swings you could do and combos, but in DF you get one mouse button.
In my mind a true action combat based game would be something like Gears of War where skill clearly involves more than looking at your enemy and pushing one button. True there is some skill involved in DF compared to other mmos, but the actualy options available to the player are so small that it gets old very quickly.
I agree that many FPS games as far as combat could rival Darfall. DF is unique however in being a skill based game if you are just running up and clicking someone you will loose. Each melee weapon has a different range which forces you to either use your range to your advantage or make sure you are always in range also hitting your opponent in the back doubles your damage. In addition to this your ability to switch gears and go from melee to ranged when the situation calls for it will determine the outcome. Games such as Gears of War are fun but they are not MMO's they are fun to drink beer and play with friends but its not meaningful PvP every time you kill your buddy you simply start over and play the level again. PvP victories in Darkfall get you money and gear and expands your clan dominance over the area you seek to control.
I think the fact that we are even comparing DF to FPS games says a lot.
I have been playing Darkfall for a couple weeks and cant log off I haven't enjoyed playing a game this much for years. World: DFO has an open world that is more impressive then any game on the market rite now. It is enormous and unique in every area. Every clan city and hamlet is unique no cookie cutter stuff that we are used to. Guild cities have utility this is also unique it has a bank and a clan stone which allows your guild to center their operations in the same area. PvP: Honestly I could never go back to a tab+macro+dont look at your monitor and continue eating cheetos type of game. Its like half FPS half mmo strategy. Also the physics are amazing how when you shoot an arrow at someone you have to compensate for distance and aim higher. Also this is the first game where you brought back the risk vs reward element of play. PvP victories actually mean something again. I mean I wont lie and say that I dont cuss out my computer when I loose and the person above me tells me I suck while looting all my stuff nothing sucks more then that but again I cant go back to meaningless PvP. Crafting/Pve: I hate both crafting and PvE. But crafting is actually easy enough that I can handle it I am a bower so this helps me in easily providing unlimited arrows for myself. Mobs can be very tricky to kill but again they put an end to the kill spider rest walk 20 feet kill another spider I will never play a game like that again. Darkfalls release has been fairly good that is if you can actually buy the game. In my experience the servers have been stable there have been a few instances where for some reason all the mobs disappear but then they reboot the servers and they are back. Also I have not seen widespread hacking. The only thing I saw once was someone speed hacking and I reported them. I am not a fanboy I am just some guy who enjoys MMO's if you want to come find me and take my gear for having an honest outlook on this game my name is Aquitis and I live at the Apollo Hamlet. apollo.mmoguildsites.net/
There should be lots of niche games for lots of different players and play styles. Nothing in your review makes me want to play this game, but I"m glad a developer made a game you enjoy playing.
Originally posted by javac Originally posted by Raknar Originally posted by xTwiSteDx Originally posted by Raknar I just wish those few people who do enjoy the game could say so without making blatantly false statements about the rest of the MMO genre. Name one major release where tab-auto-attack, walk away is a viable strategy. Sure, you COULD do that, but you'd come back to the bindstone/graveyard/whatever. Don't make idiot statements like that to try to look more hardcore than the rest of us. Can't take one other word you typed seriously if your basic premise starts out with a falsehood.
Wrath of the lich king?
Well, I haven't played WoW since about 3 months after release, so I cannot say if this is true or not, but I doubt it. WoW is by no means challenging, and I have heard WotLK made it even easier, but i am pretty sure to win an even level fight, you still need to actually click on your abilities.
i'm sure there are other examples from almost every MMO that uses auto-targeting & auto-attacking, i just haven't tried to do it.
These are eldergame-mechanics of pet classes, which are not the most effective way and need a high grade of equipment and/or specialisation. What is the most effective way to raise skills in DF?
I'd like ot give the fanbois the benefit of the doubt on this game, but I have seen alot of videos for this game and every one was terrible.....Factor in the terrible company running it with a community straight out of Runescape and you jsut dont have a winning formula.....Then you factor in that they cant even handle a whopping 10k customers and that totally wipes away any credence to the "this is the best game ever" threads.
Look I understand many people have a lot of problems with this game which is why I posted. If you put developer politics aside and simply judge the game on its own merits I think we all agree that Darkfall has a unique spin on a modern sandbox MMO while reinventing features many of us miss.
I'd like ot give the fanbois the benefit of the doubt on this game, but I have seen alot of videos for this game and every one was terrible.....Factor in the terrible company running it with a community straight out of Runescape and you jsut dont have a winning formula.....Then you factor in that they cant even handle a whopping 10k customers and that totally wipes away any credence to the "this is the best game ever" threads.
to be fair, all first-time MMOs had these issues with their first MMOs. WOW was flaky as hell the first few months because of overloaded servers, long queues and massive demand.
i don't think any reasonable person would say "best game ever", but it *is* easily the best fantasy PVP-oriented sandbox MMO available today.
Why does your post read like an advertisement? When you say things like this, "Also the physics are amazing how when you shoot an arrow at someone you have to compensate for distance and aim higher.", it is hard to do anything but laugh at your post. It seems like something an advertising guy would write when trying to make a crappy product look good.
The statement you quoted is actually true.
Is there something you find hard to believe about it?
How else, would one in fact explain how archery works in Darkfall, especially when related to other games in this genre?
When you shoot an arrow at someone from a distance you have to aim higher = true. This is an example of "amazing physics" = NOT true. It is absurd to say this is amazing physics, it is the most basic possible physics that can exist in a game, in fact this same "amazing physics" has been present in video games going all the way back to the Atari arcade games of the early 1980s. To say having to aim your arrows up is "amazing physics" is so ridiculous only an advert man or a retard would say that. They must be easily amazed, or never played a video game before.
"Amazing physics" is an opinion, it is neither true nor false.
Where did you go to school?
So if DF's max resolution would be 320x200 you would still be able to classify it as "Amazing high definitiong"? You don't need to have a physicist degree to know that shooting arrows up to compensate for distance to your target is not "Amazing physics". Its a regular physics. Now, if DF wouold have dynamic winds to throw your arrow off the course, tree branches to mess up your trajectory, now then I t would qualify to have "Amazing physics". Untill then, it is your own opinion vs the rest of the world.
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Nope, read my entry into the thread. I merely stated that one had to aim high in order to hit a distant target with Archery, as stated by the OP, was a fact. I also stated that "amazing physics" was simply his opinion.
I was then involved in a discussion in which a poster tried to make the case that "amazing physics" was something other than an opinion, with whom I disagreed.
As far as I know, the original poster may have never seen physics in a game similar to what he has seen in Darkfall. If that is the case, he may indeed find such physics amazing.
Anyone else's opinion, regarding the OP's definition of amazing will not change the fact that when he wrote the OP, he believed that the physics where, in his opinion, amazing.
That's all...
(ps. I play Darkfall and, in my opinion, it is a blast. The most fun I have ever had playing an MMO.)
Do you guys ever play the game or are you....oh nm. Your ps, is interesting, I can t count how many times you ve said that, it s getting old.
Do you guys ever play the game or are you....oh nm. Your ps, is interesting, I can t count how many times you ve said that, it s getting old.
Yea, it's getting old, but no less true and simply sums up exactly what I feel about the game.
Doesn't mean that I don't believe that AV is not having some serious issues related to demand and some server side things, but even with those issues, the game still stands pretty much alone in the fun department, as far as I am concerned.
If the game is so great then why are you sorry... wth?
I am not lying physics do work in Darkfall much like they do in the real world. Another example with arrows is that if you shot almost strait in the air 20 seconds later the arrow would land at your feet. I participated in a guild city siege and it was like the movie 300 with the archer line arching the arrows into the enemy masses. This is nothing new in the gaming world however its one of the things that makes DF stand out in the MMO world.
As far as an 86 page thread about account issues I don't think the issues were cases where people were billed and not able to play the game more so people did not get their account in time. It was a limited release and I got in on the second try. I think its very possible that there was account issues however based on the large pool of players I sampled I could not find an example of it. I don't work in the gaming industry but in my industry until I have a customers money I have no obligation to that customer. New servers do need to be put in ASAP limited release has turned off some players who would enjoy darkfall but don't want to play it because they feel victimized by not getting a copy rite away.
Also I did not intend to insult anyones game if you enjoy playing another MMO then I am happy for you. But keep in mind that most MMO's that use tab targets can be played entirely with your left hand with WASD and utilizing shift and alt for alternate hot bars with macros you can do everything quickly freeing your right hand to eat dinner or talk on a cell phone while playing and eliminates the need to really look at what is going on in the game other then your status bar and the tabbed enemy's. This is what makes Darkfall stand out I would never dream of eating dinner while playing DF, infact if I even get an important phone call and cant dedicate at least 75 percent of my attention to the game I log off because if you don't pay attention you end up dead quick.
Player city gates do need to be installed I am fortunate though because my guild city is kind of secret and hidden underneath a waterfall and is very difficult to find even if you knew the exact location.
I hope this cleared up misunderstandings that people had with my post.
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Hey, I know where that city is....lol
Very nice writeup Aquitis looking forward to stepping foot onto Agon myself
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Glad you guys are liking it. My guys have had some fun fights against your crew at the EXGS city. They tell me that they appreciate the daily armor donations you guys bring to their town
I'll be looking forward to seeing you on the battlefield one of these days if I haven't already.
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Wrath of the lich king?
Well, I haven't played WoW since about 3 months after release, so I cannot say if this is true or not, but I doubt it. WoW is by no means challenging, and I have heard WotLK made it even easier, but i am pretty sure to win an even level fight, you still need to actually click on your abilities.
WOW: demonology-specced lock with felguard easily solos equal level mobs AFK.
DAOC: cabalist with buffed sapphire pet solos multiple equal level mobs AFK. spiritmaster also.
EVE: passively shield-tanked dominix solos level4 mission rooms AFK.
i'm sure there are other examples from almost every MMO that uses auto-targeting & auto-attacking, i just haven't tried to do it.
If your at the EXGS city then Ill be seeing you quite a bit.
Aquitis
Proud Captain of Apollo
apollo.mmoguildsites.net
The combat system is fun for a bit, but anyone who has played any recent action games knows that DFs combat is extremely basic.
The entire meele system consists of run up and click left mouse button and hope you hit. In AoC you at least had different swings you could do and combos, but in DF you get one mouse button.
In my mind a true action combat based game would be something like Gears of War where skill clearly involves more than looking at your enemy and pushing one button. True there is some skill involved in DF compared to other mmos, but the actualy options available to the player are so small that it gets old very quickly.
Nihilist,
I agree that many FPS games as far as combat could rival Darfall. DF is unique however in being a skill based game if you are just running up and clicking someone you will loose. Each melee weapon has a different range which forces you to either use your range to your advantage or make sure you are always in range also hitting your opponent in the back doubles your damage. In addition to this your ability to switch gears and go from melee to ranged when the situation calls for it will determine the outcome. Games such as Gears of War are fun but they are not MMO's they are fun to drink beer and play with friends but its not meaningful PvP every time you kill your buddy you simply start over and play the level again. PvP victories in Darkfall get you money and gear and expands your clan dominance over the area you seek to control.
I think the fact that we are even comparing DF to FPS games says a lot.
Aquitis
Proud Captain of Apollo
apollo.mmoguildsites.net
There should be lots of niche games for lots of different players and play styles. Nothing in your review makes me want to play this game, but I"m glad a developer made a game you enjoy playing.
Just curious...
How do DarkFall's "physics" of jumping off really high cliffs relate to the real world?
No, not the small cliffs... the really high ones. Yeah, those cliffs.
So why the disconnect? Real world physics in one area, but "easy-mode" in another. What's the deal?
Just curious...
How do DarkFall's "physics" of jumping off really high cliffs relate to the real world?
No, not the small cliffs... the really high ones. Yeah, those cliffs.
So why the disconnect? Real world physics in one area, but "easy-mode" in another. What's the deal?
Its a person who likes darkfall... Dont try to understand it, you cant. Just be like MR. T and "PITY THE FOOL"
you mean like pity the fool who posts in the Darkfall forums but isn't interested in the game?
Hey i was in the Apollo guild in WAR. Cool
Wrath of the lich king?
Well, I haven't played WoW since about 3 months after release, so I cannot say if this is true or not, but I doubt it. WoW is by no means challenging, and I have heard WotLK made it even easier, but i am pretty sure to win an even level fight, you still need to actually click on your abilities.
WOW: demonology-specced lock with felguard easily solos equal level mobs AFK.
DAOC: cabalist with buffed sapphire pet solos multiple equal level mobs AFK. spiritmaster also.
EVE: passively shield-tanked dominix solos level4 mission rooms AFK.
i'm sure there are other examples from almost every MMO that uses auto-targeting & auto-attacking, i just haven't tried to do it.
These are eldergame-mechanics of pet classes, which are not the most effective way and need a high grade of equipment and/or specialisation. What is the most effective way to raise skills in DF?
For melee/archery - go wtfpwn stuff. For magic & harvesting - afk macro with autohotkey.
I'd like ot give the fanbois the benefit of the doubt on this game, but I have seen alot of videos for this game and every one was terrible.....Factor in the terrible company running it with a community straight out of Runescape and you jsut dont have a winning formula.....Then you factor in that they cant even handle a whopping 10k customers and that totally wipes away any credence to the "this is the best game ever" threads.
Oh man some people are really hostile on darkfall's forums. They really seem to take every comment of the game personally. Kinda hilarious.
Look I understand many people have a lot of problems with this game which is why I posted. If you put developer politics aside and simply judge the game on its own merits I think we all agree that Darkfall has a unique spin on a modern sandbox MMO while reinventing features many of us miss.
to be fair, all first-time MMOs had these issues with their first MMOs. WOW was flaky as hell the first few months because of overloaded servers, long queues and massive demand.
i don't think any reasonable person would say "best game ever", but it *is* easily the best fantasy PVP-oriented sandbox MMO available today.
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Youre all just paid Posters that tell dreamstorys of something that never was and nerver will be!
Why does your post read like an advertisement? When you say things like this, "Also the physics are amazing how when you shoot an arrow at someone you have to compensate for distance and aim higher.", it is hard to do anything but laugh at your post. It seems like something an advertising guy would write when trying to make a crappy product look good.
The statement you quoted is actually true.
Is there something you find hard to believe about it?
How else, would one in fact explain how archery works in Darkfall, especially when related to other games in this genre?
When you shoot an arrow at someone from a distance you have to aim higher = true. This is an example of "amazing physics" = NOT true. It is absurd to say this is amazing physics, it is the most basic possible physics that can exist in a game, in fact this same "amazing physics" has been present in video games going all the way back to the Atari arcade games of the early 1980s. To say having to aim your arrows up is "amazing physics" is so ridiculous only an advert man or a retard would say that. They must be easily amazed, or never played a video game before.
"Amazing physics" is an opinion, it is neither true nor false.
Where did you go to school?
So if DF's max resolution would be 320x200 you would still be able to classify it as "Amazing high definitiong"? You don't need to have a physicist degree to know that shooting arrows up to compensate for distance to your target is not "Amazing physics". Its a regular physics. Now, if DF wouold have dynamic winds to throw your arrow off the course, tree branches to mess up your trajectory, now then I t would qualify to have "Amazing physics". Untill then, it is your own opinion vs the rest of the world.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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