The ubergankage is what is going to destroy the game, and fast. There's no control on PKing so it's rampant, and having the whims of a few players override the enjoyment of LOTS of others means you will lose players often.
I am so glad Mortal Online is implementing statloss for PKers.
On the topic of MO, they have a major announcement very soon.. I'm betting it's a closed beta.
I just checked it out and see that it is Swedish. After the abject failures of DF and AoC, I think I will wait for an American MMORPG.
It's not so much that they are Swedish, more that they have never made an MMORPG. First time MMORPG devs have a hard time releasing a decent game.
The other thing with MO, is IMO, it's similar to DF. Lots of features that sound sort of cool on paper, but dont' actually make for fun gameplay.
I like the MO art work. If they'd move toward more conventional features I think they'd have something.
Even though it was funny for 2 weeks, the DF queues are now gone.
Even before that I usually had no queues, once queued for 40 minutes. WoW has queues too if you recall and they were pretty bad after the game launch on Burning Legion (EU) and game crashed a lot, then they added nice bit of code few weeks after the launch that when you crashed ingame you didn't need to queue if you logged in within 5 minutes of crash.
I have said it a long time now and often: environments shape mentalities. As in real life, so in games. You cant put humans in a competitive, harsh, relatively rule-free world and hope everyone is nice. There are about 5% of humans who are naturally empathic, for whom making other's suffer actually feels bad. The remaining 95% of humanity are to be persuaded, held in check, confined by laws and regulations and embedded into a system which enourages working TOGETHER rather than against everyone else. Sometimes I really wonder what playing too much of all this TF2, CS bullshit does to our kids. Heck, to our society. I am really no computer game doomsayer, but when I imagine kids spent several hours every day in a game like TF2 or Darkfall, constantly in "war" against everyone, and they are not brutalized. Maybe we have less shool shootings when we just stop making games which encouring acting like a swine, no? I am surely not the only one seeing a relation. Such things are no longer games, they are places for sadists and masochists indeed. Just look at forum threads about games like DF. See when all those angy, immature, aggressive people enter and read in what respectless way they talk down on everyone else. Some sort of games just make people aggressive, and we live in enough violence. Maybe you look at things someday with fresh eyes, and you may be in shock and awe about what people are doing.
Spree killing already happened before video games even existed, it's more like the environment attracts them because it's a "safe murder simulation" yet they can release their insane fantasies, rather than games producing killers. Blaming games for society's problems works well for covering the real problems out there, though.
/end of derailing the thread
Annoying communities don't bother me much as long as I'm in a fun guild. Could as well close/ignore any Barrens style chat.
As for the other aspects of Darkfall... I'm going to wait 1-3 months to see how it's going, more in depth reviews and so on.
Much of the gameplay mechanics are reflected in the player bases' attitude. Chat is filled with vitriol and hate and after being ganked you will often recieve messages like "F you bitch," etc. I was looking for a friendly environment so that I could learn the game when I joined my guild and when I got in vent I realized it wasa bunch of rotten teenage guys. Chat was filled with racist jokes and mom jokes. There were a few nice people but the hostile environment of the game is reflected in peoples attitudes. One of the reasons I hung it up was because I was falling into this dog eat dog predatorial mentality and it really isn't what I want from a game.
I would be pissed off too if I had to wait in a long que to get into the game, but I dont think I could resort to this behavior agaist a fellow competitor on a online game and tell him or her to F off in a chat message.
PvP brings out the worst in some people, I hear it alot of this attitude when I play TF2 and some other FPS style games.
Its absolutly not a sanbox, its a virtual world to a certain extent, but when it comes to creating an actual GAME, DF falls on its teeth.
LOL Seriously? Do you know what a sandbox game is? It's a virtual world dude. It sounds like you bought a game you did not research at all.
It is not a console GAME. On that we agree.
DF is a game for people who like guild and worldwide city/nation pvp. It's a virtual world and a sandbox. It is not a 'game' like final fantasy 11 is a 'game' or wow is a 'game'. It's basically a fictional world where you war for dominance and power over areas and people.
Maybe read up on a game before you buy it next time, and you'll see it's not supposed to be another WoW. I thought this was self-evident? Apparently they need to put it in big bold letters on the main page of the site.
THIS GAME IS NOT WOW! IT IS A WORLD SIMULATION! THANK YOU FOR AVOIDING THIS GAME IF YOU WANT TO JUST FRAG PEOPLE OR LEVEL UP SOLO ALL THE TIME!
nethervoid - Est. '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|HZ|EVE|NWN|WoW|VG|DF|AQW|DN|SWTOR|Dofus|SotA|BDO|AO|NW|LA] - Currently Playing EQ1 20k+ subs YouTube Gaming channel
Originally posted by schloob It costs 500gp to train it which took me about a week to save up.
That there my friend, proves to me that you don't know how to play Darkfall. Gathering 200g/hour is not impossible as a newbie. After you get your first set of banded, it should rise above 300g/hour. Unless you don't have the slightest idea of how to play Darkfall, which causes you to die all the time.
This game trully attracks the worst people from da Internetz!
...but you know. That's a good thing! So we should pray Darkfall stays afloat!
Keeps the trash out of the MMO's we play.
So you see. There is actually something positive to say about Darkfall after all.
Cheers
You make too many assumptions. I don't even play this game. I have been following it since probably before you even had a net connection though.
Currently I'm playing eve in some major 0.0 wars. You get killed in Eve and lose everything, although maybe you can keep your implants if you can warp off in your pod fast enough.
Most of the people who want darkfall were playing games before you even came on the scene, so maybe the coin is actually flipped and you're the trash we want to keep out? People who cry and whine all the time? The game is brutal. You should have known that when you bought it. This is not wow or war. You die and you actually lose something.
Although if someone is getting butthurt because they got looted, well they're pretty much retarded like most people who are whining in the first place. People that expect to die and be looted just figure it in to the calculations. It's a part of the game. The people who don't understand darkfall, the OP, are the same ones who cry when they get killed.
So really you guys are one in the same. The people like me are not the ones crying. And I don't even play this game. lol Although maybe soon. It can be tough to commit to two guild war games at the same time. We'll see.
nethervoid - Est. '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|HZ|EVE|NWN|WoW|VG|DF|AQW|DN|SWTOR|Dofus|SotA|BDO|AO|NW|LA] - Currently Playing EQ1 20k+ subs YouTube Gaming channel
This game trully attracks the worst people from da Internetz!
...but you know. That's a good thing! So we should pray Darkfall stays afloat!
Keeps the trash out of the MMO's we play.
So you see. There is actually something positive to say about Darkfall after all.
Cheers
You make too many assumptions. I don't even play this game. I have been following it since probably before you even had a net connection though.
Currently I'm playing eve in some major 0.0 wars. You get killed in Eve and lose everything, although maybe you can keep your implants if you can warp off in your pod fast enough.
Most of the people who want darkfall were playing games before you even came on the scene, so maybe the coin is actually flipped and you're the trash we want to keep out? People who cry and whine all the time? The game is brutal. You should have known that when you bought it. This is not wow or war. You die and you actually lose something.
Although if someone is getting butthurt because they got looted, well they're pretty much retarded like most people who are whining in the first place. People that expect to die and be looted just figure it in to the calculations. It's a part of the game. The people who don't understand darkfall, the OP, are the same ones who cry when they get killed.
So really you guys are one in the same. The people like me are not the ones crying. And I don't even play this game. lol Although maybe soon. It can be tough to commit to two guild war games at the same time. We'll see.
Assumptions? I am of almost the same age as you are. Give or take it a few months.
I play games since the Commodore 64 era.
I don't play either WoW nor that pos of a game WAR anymore.
I have played EVE Online for more then 2 years and greatly enjoyed it back then. Now waiting for Ambulation to come along.
So I know what a game with concequence is.
EVE Online is actually a deep, intrigueing (PVP) game with actual concequence and a real ingame economy....
...where Darkfal is a cheap, shallow PK game where people run around naked ganking eachother and call themself L337.
Not to mention about what we all think of Aventurine and how incredibly professional and competent they are.
Assumptions? I am of almost the same age as you are. Give or take it a few months.
I play games since the Commodore 64 era.
I don't play either WoW nor that pos of a game WAR anymore.
I have played EVE Online for more then 2 years and greatly enjoyed it back then. Now waiting for Ambulation to come along.
So I know what a game with concequence is.
EVE Online is actually a deep, intrigueing (PVP) game with actual concequence and a real ingame economy....
...where Darkfal is a cheap, shallow PK game where people run around naked ganking eachother and call themself L337.
Not to mention about what we all think of Aventurine and how incredibly professional and competent they are.
Cheers
Ok so now I'm not sure what your problem is? You play eve but have never heard of suicide ganking in empire or empire wars where 1337 pvp guilds start wars with industrial corps?
I'm not sure I believe that you play eve. Well not sure you actually pvped in it anyway. Did you just run missions all the time?
nethervoid - Est. '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|HZ|EVE|NWN|WoW|VG|DF|AQW|DN|SWTOR|Dofus|SotA|BDO|AO|NW|LA] - Currently Playing EQ1 20k+ subs YouTube Gaming channel
Assumptions? I am of almost the same age as you are. Give or take it a few months.
I play games since the Commodore 64 era.
I don't play either WoW nor that pos of a game WAR anymore.
I have played EVE Online for more then 2 years and greatly enjoyed it back then. Now waiting for Ambulation to come along.
So I know what a game with concequence is.
EVE Online is actually a deep, intrigueing (PVP) game with actual concequence and a real ingame economy....
...where Darkfal is a cheap, shallow PK game where people run around naked ganking eachother and call themself L337.
Not to mention about what we all think of Aventurine and how incredibly professional and competent they are.
Cheers
Ok so now I'm not sure what your problem is? You play eve but have never heard of suicide ganking in empire or empire wars where 1337 pvp guilds start wars with industrial corps?
I'm not sure I believe that you play eve. Well not sure you actually pvped in it anyway. Did you just run missions all the time?
I know all about suicide ganking in EVE Online. Has it happened to me or any of my corp mates when I played? No.
I know also about Pirate "L337" corps starting wars with industrial corps. Has it happened to the corp or alliance I was in? Yes.
Did I run missions? Yes. Did I mine? Yes. Did I PVP? Yes. Did I lose ships? Oh god yes!
The fact is, that you completely missed the point the OP was trying to make. He is not a carebear nor is he QQ'ing.
He knew fully well what to expect of the game when it comes to Full loot FFA PVP.
What he didn't expect is...
That the game attracted the worst people from da internetz.
That the gameworld is basically completely empty and void.
That most of the features aren't in the game and the ones that are, that they are very basic and simplisticly done.
That the company behind it was so utterly incompetent and extremely unprofessional.
That he had to spend hours in the queue day in, day out (even two weeks later) to actually get into the game he paid (way too much) for.
"There are 4 goblins that spawn in the quest area and there are between 1-10 other people trying to kill them. It took me a couple of days to collect the four axes because I would get no more than 3 before being ganked or killed because you can't really wear armor or else you will be insta ganked."
And then the very next sentance. lol
"The best is when people in full armor and mounts run behind you hitting you from a mount."
So wait...everybody pvps naked? ... Uh ... and wearing any kind of armor you just get insta-ganked? I thought you said full armor dudes on mounts are attacking you? You are really contradicting yourself here.
Also, why don't you just get a couple of friends together and gank some noobs to get the axes? You don't even have to farm the damn mobs. Just farm the people who are farming the mobs. Probably get your axes WAY faster. Adapt. This isn't wow or war.
"-Add a more restrictive PvP server"
"This game IS NOT the best ever and I think many of them are thrilled for now because they got an early start and are now orgasming in their super man undies every time they gank a naked noob and tell call him a "noob bitch.""
That's not QQing? Sure looks like it to me. Also, maybe you could get together with some friends, so you aren't so easy to gank.
OP doesn't understand what DF is. From reading his post, it sounds like he just jumps on every new bandwagon that comes out without thinking or reading about it for himself. Wow is anybody really surprised that he doesn't like it? He jumped right on AoC. He jumped right on War. Maybe wait a month or two, and see if the game is holding up to expectations first?
"If you want to play a good MMORPG play WAR or WoW."
Uh....War and WoW are not the same kind of game as DF. That is pretty obvious, or so I thought. Same way EVE is not like WoW or War. Again, obvious.
"This game is for sadist and masochists and allowing people to kill each other without reward belongs in a skill based FPS."
First off, lol at his carebear tears. What the hell was he expecting in a full open pvp full loot game? Friggin barbie rollercoaster online?
The reward is controlling territory and resources. Also, the game is friggin 3 weeks old or something. People aren't in the best gear yet by far, so of course you can gank naked. I don't think this will be the case later in the game, of course unless you just zerg with a horde of people like goons do in EVE.
How is DF any different than EVE? There are a TON of similarities, although I would say DF is more brutal than Eve. There is just not much protected space. Same thing was true in Shadowbane.
This is a full on pvp game. Pvp anywhere and everywhere possible. There are many reasons and purposes behind pvp, and we haven't seen much of them really yet. The game is brand new for god's sake! lol Maybe one of your objectives to hurt the enemy is to gank their noobs. If they don't protect their noobs, they'll lose them through degrading morale. Great tactic right there to bring the war to your enemy in a totally different way! (Think outside the box, dude)
OP suffers from short-sightedness! I'm sure when Eve first came out all the same arguements were there. Same with Shadowbane.
The one thing that does need to be remedied is the queue time, but it's very short-sighted and short attension spanned to quit after 5 days over it. Maybe don't buy a game right when it comes out? If you've played all the latest band wagon games, you should have figured that out by now. (which is why I didn't buy AoC or War - I waited on the reviews! I watched my brother play! I knew they were not for me!)
OP, get some friends who actually want to play together. Guilds don't work like on WoW where a guild is really just a big chat room. You work together. You die together. It's a guild pvp game, after all. Solo doesn't cut it. Same thing in EVE. One person or a small group of people are going to get massacred by an alliance of 5000. Kind of a no-brainer.
"That the game attracted the worst people from da internetz."
I'll agree that the internet is pretty overrun with retards. There are a TON of them in WoW and other games like it. Any game where you can gank people with nothing to lose there are going to be punks. In DF if you band together, you just camp them instead. Grief the griefer if you dislike his playstyle so much. Even eve has the goons, probably the worst griefers ever to grace the MMO scene. Do I cry about it and quit eve over it? No. Do I fight them and blow them up because I don't like their style? Hell yeah. If you quit then you lose. They got you, man. They win. F-that!
"That the gameworld is basically completely empty and void.
That most of the features aren't in the game and the ones that are, that they are very basic and simplisticly done."
I don't know if that's a very fair assessment. My brother plays and I've watched him quite a bit. While I would agree there could be more content (hell man what game couldn't use more?), for a pvp empire building game it's got its fair share. Also the dungeon my brother went to was pretty sweet. His guild was going to raid someone's town, but they didn't gather fast enough. Some had to log, so they just did a dungeon instead, and geared up/stashed some extra gear. One of them had a key to some uber chest in the dungeon with awesome loot. They wanted to use the key, which could have been ganked if they met up with another party going after that same dungeon or on the way there! That's pretty awesome, IMO.
"That he had to spend hours in the queue day in, day out (even two weeks later) to actually get into the game he paid (way too much) for."
Every game has problems when it first launches. He didn't wait 2 weeks. He waited 5 days. Still, if you played EQ during its launch, we waited like 3 months to get some stable ping going on, so again I'm playing the 'low attention span' card. Give it some time, man. Don't buy it on the first day, for god's sake. Wait a couple to three months. The reason the industry is like this in the first place is because they know OP and co will run out and buy the damn game right when they put it on the shelf even if Jesus himself said it wasn't even close to finished. You want that to stop, quit buying a game right when it goes gold!
He paid what all games go for now days. I don't understand how it's way too much? All games are like 50-60 bucks a pop, consoles included (some are more, like rock band due to the controller cost). So I'm confused that 60 bucks is too much?
This whole thread is just a bunch of wah wah.
nethervoid - Est. '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|HZ|EVE|NWN|WoW|VG|DF|AQW|DN|SWTOR|Dofus|SotA|BDO|AO|NW|LA] - Currently Playing EQ1 20k+ subs YouTube Gaming channel
UUmmm darkfall my friend is not a game for you. If you wanted to craft joing a guild or something. You cannot just walk out of the gate and expect to craft. harvest first save money sell ore, sell wood. Kill goblins move outside starting areas. I have been playing the game for a few weeks now and have only been ganked 2 or 3 times.
Will agree the skill grind is pretty bad. needs to be lessoned.
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On the topic of MO, they have a major announcement very soon..
I'm betting it's a closed beta.
I just checked it out and see that it is Swedish. After the abject failures of DF and AoC, I think I will wait for an American MMORPG.
It's not so much that they are Swedish, more that they have never made an MMORPG. First time MMORPG devs have a hard time releasing a decent game.
The other thing with MO, is IMO, it's similar to DF. Lots of features that sound sort of cool on paper, but dont' actually make for fun gameplay.
I like the MO art work. If they'd move toward more conventional features I think they'd have something.
I agree with you 100% on this.
Even though it was funny for 2 weeks, the DF queues are now gone.
Even before that I usually had no queues, once queued for 40 minutes. WoW has queues too if you recall and they were pretty bad after the game launch on Burning Legion (EU) and game crashed a lot, then they added nice bit of code few weeks after the launch that when you crashed ingame you didn't need to queue if you logged in within 5 minutes of crash.
Spree killing already happened before video games even existed, it's more like the environment attracts them because it's a "safe murder simulation" yet they can release their insane fantasies, rather than games producing killers. Blaming games for society's problems works well for covering the real problems out there, though.
/end of derailing the thread
Annoying communities don't bother me much as long as I'm in a fun guild. Could as well close/ignore any Barrens style chat.
As for the other aspects of Darkfall... I'm going to wait 1-3 months to see how it's going, more in depth reviews and so on.
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I would be pissed off too if I had to wait in a long que to get into the game, but I dont think I could resort to this behavior agaist a fellow competitor on a online game and tell him or her to F off in a chat message.
PvP brings out the worst in some people, I hear it alot of this attitude when I play TF2 and some other FPS style games.
LOL Seriously? Do you know what a sandbox game is? It's a virtual world dude. It sounds like you bought a game you did not research at all.
It is not a console GAME. On that we agree.
DF is a game for people who like guild and worldwide city/nation pvp. It's a virtual world and a sandbox. It is not a 'game' like final fantasy 11 is a 'game' or wow is a 'game'. It's basically a fictional world where you war for dominance and power over areas and people.
Maybe read up on a game before you buy it next time, and you'll see it's not supposed to be another WoW. I thought this was self-evident? Apparently they need to put it in big bold letters on the main page of the site.
THIS GAME IS NOT WOW! IT IS A WORLD SIMULATION! THANK YOU FOR AVOIDING THIS GAME IF YOU WANT TO JUST FRAG PEOPLE OR LEVEL UP SOLO ALL THE TIME!
nethervoid - Est. '97
[UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|HZ|EVE|NWN|WoW|VG|DF|AQW|DN|SWTOR|Dofus|SotA|BDO|AO|NW|LA] - Currently Playing EQ1
20k+ subs YouTube Gaming channel
That there my friend, proves to me that you don't know how to play Darkfall. Gathering 200g/hour is not impossible as a newbie. After you get your first set of banded, it should rise above 300g/hour. Unless you don't have the slightest idea of how to play Darkfall, which causes you to die all the time.
As has been said before a Sandbox has sand. DF is a sandbox without sand. The nieghbourhood cats still think its cool to cr*p in though.
I guess the OP proves his point right here.
This game trully attracks the worst people from da Internetz!
...but you know. That's a good thing! So we should pray Darkfall stays afloat!
Keeps the trash out of the MMO's we play.
So you see. There is actually something positive to say about Darkfall after all.
Cheers
You make too many assumptions. I don't even play this game. I have been following it since probably before you even had a net connection though.
Currently I'm playing eve in some major 0.0 wars. You get killed in Eve and lose everything, although maybe you can keep your implants if you can warp off in your pod fast enough.
Most of the people who want darkfall were playing games before you even came on the scene, so maybe the coin is actually flipped and you're the trash we want to keep out? People who cry and whine all the time? The game is brutal. You should have known that when you bought it. This is not wow or war. You die and you actually lose something.
Although if someone is getting butthurt because they got looted, well they're pretty much retarded like most people who are whining in the first place. People that expect to die and be looted just figure it in to the calculations. It's a part of the game. The people who don't understand darkfall, the OP, are the same ones who cry when they get killed.
So really you guys are one in the same. The people like me are not the ones crying. And I don't even play this game. lol Although maybe soon. It can be tough to commit to two guild war games at the same time. We'll see.
nethervoid - Est. '97
[UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|HZ|EVE|NWN|WoW|VG|DF|AQW|DN|SWTOR|Dofus|SotA|BDO|AO|NW|LA] - Currently Playing EQ1
20k+ subs YouTube Gaming channel
I guess the OP proves his point right here.
This game trully attracks the worst people from da Internetz!
...but you know. That's a good thing! So we should pray Darkfall stays afloat!
Keeps the trash out of the MMO's we play.
So you see. There is actually something positive to say about Darkfall after all.
Cheers
You make too many assumptions. I don't even play this game. I have been following it since probably before you even had a net connection though.
Currently I'm playing eve in some major 0.0 wars. You get killed in Eve and lose everything, although maybe you can keep your implants if you can warp off in your pod fast enough.
Most of the people who want darkfall were playing games before you even came on the scene, so maybe the coin is actually flipped and you're the trash we want to keep out? People who cry and whine all the time? The game is brutal. You should have known that when you bought it. This is not wow or war. You die and you actually lose something.
Although if someone is getting butthurt because they got looted, well they're pretty much retarded like most people who are whining in the first place. People that expect to die and be looted just figure it in to the calculations. It's a part of the game. The people who don't understand darkfall, the OP, are the same ones who cry when they get killed.
So really you guys are one in the same. The people like me are not the ones crying. And I don't even play this game. lol Although maybe soon. It can be tough to commit to two guild war games at the same time. We'll see.
Assumptions? I am of almost the same age as you are. Give or take it a few months.
I play games since the Commodore 64 era.
I don't play either WoW nor that pos of a game WAR anymore.
I have played EVE Online for more then 2 years and greatly enjoyed it back then. Now waiting for Ambulation to come along.
So I know what a game with concequence is.
EVE Online is actually a deep, intrigueing (PVP) game with actual concequence and a real ingame economy....
...where Darkfal is a cheap, shallow PK game where people run around naked ganking eachother and call themself L337.
Not to mention about what we all think of Aventurine and how incredibly professional and competent they are.
Cheers
stuffstuffAssumptions? I am of almost the same age as you are. Give or take it a few months.
I play games since the Commodore 64 era.
I don't play either WoW nor that pos of a game WAR anymore.
I have played EVE Online for more then 2 years and greatly enjoyed it back then. Now waiting for Ambulation to come along.
So I know what a game with concequence is.
EVE Online is actually a deep, intrigueing (PVP) game with actual concequence and a real ingame economy....
...where Darkfal is a cheap, shallow PK game where people run around naked ganking eachother and call themself L337.
Not to mention about what we all think of Aventurine and how incredibly professional and competent they are.
Cheers
Ok so now I'm not sure what your problem is? You play eve but have never heard of suicide ganking in empire or empire wars where 1337 pvp guilds start wars with industrial corps?
I'm not sure I believe that you play eve. Well not sure you actually pvped in it anyway. Did you just run missions all the time?
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[UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|HZ|EVE|NWN|WoW|VG|DF|AQW|DN|SWTOR|Dofus|SotA|BDO|AO|NW|LA] - Currently Playing EQ1
20k+ subs YouTube Gaming channel
stuffstuffAssumptions? I am of almost the same age as you are. Give or take it a few months.
I play games since the Commodore 64 era.
I don't play either WoW nor that pos of a game WAR anymore.
I have played EVE Online for more then 2 years and greatly enjoyed it back then. Now waiting for Ambulation to come along.
So I know what a game with concequence is.
EVE Online is actually a deep, intrigueing (PVP) game with actual concequence and a real ingame economy....
...where Darkfal is a cheap, shallow PK game where people run around naked ganking eachother and call themself L337.
Not to mention about what we all think of Aventurine and how incredibly professional and competent they are.
Cheers
Ok so now I'm not sure what your problem is? You play eve but have never heard of suicide ganking in empire or empire wars where 1337 pvp guilds start wars with industrial corps?
I'm not sure I believe that you play eve. Well not sure you actually pvped in it anyway. Did you just run missions all the time?
I know all about suicide ganking in EVE Online. Has it happened to me or any of my corp mates when I played? No.
I know also about Pirate "L337" corps starting wars with industrial corps. Has it happened to the corp or alliance I was in? Yes.
Did I run missions? Yes. Did I mine? Yes. Did I PVP? Yes. Did I lose ships? Oh god yes!
The fact is, that you completely missed the point the OP was trying to make. He is not a carebear nor is he QQ'ing.
He knew fully well what to expect of the game when it comes to Full loot FFA PVP.
What he didn't expect is...
That the game attracted the worst people from da internetz.
That the gameworld is basically completely empty and void.
That most of the features aren't in the game and the ones that are, that they are very basic and simplisticly done.
That the company behind it was so utterly incompetent and extremely unprofessional.
That he had to spend hours in the queue day in, day out (even two weeks later) to actually get into the game he paid (way too much) for.
Cheers
Not whining about getting ganked?
"There are 4 goblins that spawn in the quest area and there are between 1-10 other people trying to kill them. It took me a couple of days to collect the four axes because I would get no more than 3 before being ganked or killed because you can't really wear armor or else you will be insta ganked."
And then the very next sentance. lol
"The best is when people in full armor and mounts run behind you hitting you from a mount."
So wait...everybody pvps naked? ... Uh ... and wearing any kind of armor you just get insta-ganked? I thought you said full armor dudes on mounts are attacking you? You are really contradicting yourself here.
Also, why don't you just get a couple of friends together and gank some noobs to get the axes? You don't even have to farm the damn mobs. Just farm the people who are farming the mobs. Probably get your axes WAY faster. Adapt. This isn't wow or war.
"-Add a more restrictive PvP server"
"This game IS NOT the best ever and I think many of them are thrilled for now because they got an early start and are now orgasming in their super man undies every time they gank a naked noob and tell call him a "noob bitch.""
That's not QQing? Sure looks like it to me. Also, maybe you could get together with some friends, so you aren't so easy to gank.
OP doesn't understand what DF is. From reading his post, it sounds like he just jumps on every new bandwagon that comes out without thinking or reading about it for himself. Wow is anybody really surprised that he doesn't like it? He jumped right on AoC. He jumped right on War. Maybe wait a month or two, and see if the game is holding up to expectations first?
"If you want to play a good MMORPG play WAR or WoW."
Uh....War and WoW are not the same kind of game as DF. That is pretty obvious, or so I thought. Same way EVE is not like WoW or War. Again, obvious.
"This game is for sadist and masochists and allowing people to kill each other without reward belongs in a skill based FPS."
First off, lol at his carebear tears. What the hell was he expecting in a full open pvp full loot game? Friggin barbie rollercoaster online?
The reward is controlling territory and resources. Also, the game is friggin 3 weeks old or something. People aren't in the best gear yet by far, so of course you can gank naked. I don't think this will be the case later in the game, of course unless you just zerg with a horde of people like goons do in EVE.
How is DF any different than EVE? There are a TON of similarities, although I would say DF is more brutal than Eve. There is just not much protected space. Same thing was true in Shadowbane.
This is a full on pvp game. Pvp anywhere and everywhere possible. There are many reasons and purposes behind pvp, and we haven't seen much of them really yet. The game is brand new for god's sake! lol Maybe one of your objectives to hurt the enemy is to gank their noobs. If they don't protect their noobs, they'll lose them through degrading morale. Great tactic right there to bring the war to your enemy in a totally different way! (Think outside the box, dude)
OP suffers from short-sightedness! I'm sure when Eve first came out all the same arguements were there. Same with Shadowbane.
The one thing that does need to be remedied is the queue time, but it's very short-sighted and short attension spanned to quit after 5 days over it. Maybe don't buy a game right when it comes out? If you've played all the latest band wagon games, you should have figured that out by now. (which is why I didn't buy AoC or War - I waited on the reviews! I watched my brother play! I knew they were not for me!)
OP, get some friends who actually want to play together. Guilds don't work like on WoW where a guild is really just a big chat room. You work together. You die together. It's a guild pvp game, after all. Solo doesn't cut it. Same thing in EVE. One person or a small group of people are going to get massacred by an alliance of 5000. Kind of a no-brainer.
"That the game attracted the worst people from da internetz."
I'll agree that the internet is pretty overrun with retards. There are a TON of them in WoW and other games like it. Any game where you can gank people with nothing to lose there are going to be punks. In DF if you band together, you just camp them instead. Grief the griefer if you dislike his playstyle so much. Even eve has the goons, probably the worst griefers ever to grace the MMO scene. Do I cry about it and quit eve over it? No. Do I fight them and blow them up because I don't like their style? Hell yeah. If you quit then you lose. They got you, man. They win. F-that!
"That the gameworld is basically completely empty and void.
That most of the features aren't in the game and the ones that are, that they are very basic and simplisticly done."
I don't know if that's a very fair assessment. My brother plays and I've watched him quite a bit. While I would agree there could be more content (hell man what game couldn't use more?), for a pvp empire building game it's got its fair share. Also the dungeon my brother went to was pretty sweet. His guild was going to raid someone's town, but they didn't gather fast enough. Some had to log, so they just did a dungeon instead, and geared up/stashed some extra gear. One of them had a key to some uber chest in the dungeon with awesome loot. They wanted to use the key, which could have been ganked if they met up with another party going after that same dungeon or on the way there! That's pretty awesome, IMO.
"That he had to spend hours in the queue day in, day out (even two weeks later) to actually get into the game he paid (way too much) for."
Every game has problems when it first launches. He didn't wait 2 weeks. He waited 5 days. Still, if you played EQ during its launch, we waited like 3 months to get some stable ping going on, so again I'm playing the 'low attention span' card. Give it some time, man. Don't buy it on the first day, for god's sake. Wait a couple to three months. The reason the industry is like this in the first place is because they know OP and co will run out and buy the damn game right when they put it on the shelf even if Jesus himself said it wasn't even close to finished. You want that to stop, quit buying a game right when it goes gold!
He paid what all games go for now days. I don't understand how it's way too much? All games are like 50-60 bucks a pop, consoles included (some are more, like rock band due to the controller cost). So I'm confused that 60 bucks is too much?
This whole thread is just a bunch of wah wah.
nethervoid - Est. '97
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UUmmm darkfall my friend is not a game for you. If you wanted to craft joing a guild or something. You cannot just walk out of the gate and expect to craft. harvest first save money sell ore, sell wood. Kill goblins move outside starting areas. I have been playing the game for a few weeks now and have only been ganked 2 or 3 times.
Will agree the skill grind is pretty bad. needs to be lessoned.