If they don't have time or can't pay somebody to update their site why don't they ask for volunteers. With all the die hard fans out there I'm sure there's a few who know HTML and would be willing to devote some time to creating an updated feature list page.
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
OMG! You just simply don't get it do you?
This game is NOT ABOUT YOU! You are responding as if everything about this game IS ABOUT YOU!
What is it you don't understand for crying out loud???????????
Folks here are saying that "potential" customers, normally go to an official company website, to get information on a game they heard of or may be interested in. That's the way it works. GEEZ!
Even every free-to-play game on the planet has an up-to-date website detailing information on their game.
I have a clue for you. Not every person on the planet has heard about OR followed Darkfall for 8+ years. They certainly cannot be expected to wade through 8+ years worth of posts to get some information.
pff, why aren't there independent orgaizations sueing hese kind of companies? All of the players should be paid back of their money becouse of these lies.
Because no one gives a shit about such not important things except some haters who want to find something to throw shit at ?
I know where to search and what place to visit for the info i need regarding DF ..i am fully ok with the company don't using the wesite to give me info but forums, irc and whatnot ..(if they sharing info that is ..lol)
I have a geniune question for Darth. I have never posted. I've always been content to follow the game on my own and use the forums for amusement and to keep my finger on the pulse.
Full Disclosure: I began following this game back when these forums were a full page of Vaporware threads and like 2 actual information posts. I fell in love with everything that the OP posted as expected features. The game has now "released" (this is debatable due to it not being widely available) Since Beta to this point in time though, I'v ebeen disgusted with my being promised a pizza with everything on it, but being given some uncooked dough that has fallen into a puddle of ketchup. Even more disgusted with the people that accuse you of being a carebear that doesn't like pizza. To which I could reply, that's not pizza, its dough and sauce which is like a failure of its intended form. To which they reply, F' you, its better than the McDonalds that you carebears love. To which I reply....
Whew sorry I started seeing red there for a sec.
But to Darth and any other DFO advocates (I didn't use "fanboi", don't call me "troll". We'll see how long that truce lasts btw.), I have a handful of serious and geniune questions:
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Please understand that I'm just trying to understand. I'm so baffled by Darth's responses to a factual accounting to the current state of the game and site, that I literally broke my silence on these forums after following this game from the early 2000s.
Do you played the game ? My answer on your questions would depend on your answer on these question..
If you not plyed i can answer these .. i know DF since 1,5 years and read anything on it .. i know much of the things that have been advertised ..sure i would like to see weather and that fluff in te game but thats not important for me..they delivered on whats important for me so i don't search the feature list to find details i am unhappy with and then start flaming forums about ..i am overly happy with what i got and with the progress these game show with every new build and update i am highly confident it will get better...
Is it ok if weather gets enabled ? sure some cool and funny addition..would i quit the game if not or start forum flames because of it ? NO not important for me ..
Some other things i fully understand why they out..would i like traps/snares in game ? hell NO ..good they cut out !
would i like some fluffy animals wondering around ..hey cool stuff ..important ..NO..would i want the team to spend time on it ? NO only if anything else that has higher priority is resolved ..and pretty much anything else has higher priority... In any case i don't care about the website ...
Do you played the game ? My answer on your questions would depend on your answer on these question..
If you not plyed i can answer these .. i know DF since 1,5 years and read anything on it .. i know much of the things that have been advertised ..sure i would like to see weather and that fluff in te game but thats not important for me..they delivered on whats important for me so i don't search the feature list to find details i am unhappy with and then start flaming forums about ..i am overly happy with what i got and with the progress these game show with every new build and update i am highly confident it will get better...
Is it ok if weather gets enabled ? sure some cool and funny addition..would i quit the game if not or start forum flames because of it ? NO not important for me ..
Some other things i fully understand why they out..would i like traps/snares in game ? hell NO ..good they cut out !
would i like some fluffy animals wondering around ..hey cool stuff ..important ..NO..would i want the team to spend time on it ? NO only if anything else that has higher priority is resolved ..and pretty much anything else has higher priority... In any case i don't care about the website ...
Ok from trying to read most or some of your posts, I can gather you are no more than a high school student. Is this true? If not please use proper grammar when trolling these threads. How old are you? Just curious.
I read through that FAQ on the Darkfall website and based on the description of the features I would have considered trying that game. Personalized housing that you can design yourself and place where you like sounds pretty cool. Those Prestige classes sounded pretty nice as a way to progress your characters. I really liked the fact that they said that if I really was not that heavy into PvP I should still give it a try. /slap
This is some pretty enticing set of features. Not knowing anything else about the game I would be most certainly considering buying it. I would then be really pissed when I found out none of the stuff was actually in the game. These really are not just 'fluff' items. They are things that can really sell a game to a player.
Aren't there Greek laws that prohibit that kind of false advertising?
No, Design decisions through the development process have putting some features off..those were announced through forum post announcements and rather not updated in the site section..thats all..some stuff is there from 2003 not changed..
The game released feature complete in regards to what an INFORMED commuity member would expect (except 4 legs run mahirim and individual housing)
Lol are you talking about Darkfall or another game becouse what your saying sounds like Tasos have done all those years lying:P
Oh c'mmon didn't you know about prestige classes of f months prior to Beta , towers instead of guards prior to Beta , no NPC hirelings, well no hirelings / summons etc prior to Beta ? As well as global banks and no caravans supported game mechanic ? Somone who followed the game had knowledge of these even prior to public beta..
Is the site got no update ...well since 2003 ?
Prestige class was dropped, already back in 2006 devs decided it would not be implemented becouse it was not on par with devs vision of what darkfall should be without classes it would be stupid to implement a class.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
No, Design decisions through the development process have putting some features off..those were announced through forum post announcements and rather not updated in the site section..thats all..some stuff is there from 2003 not changed..
The game released feature complete in regards to what an INFORMED commuity member would expect (except 4 legs run mahirim and individual housing)
Lol are you talking about Darkfall or another game becouse what your saying sounds like Tasos have done all those years lying:P
Oh c'mmon didn't you know about prestige classes of f months prior to Beta , towers instead of guards prior to Beta , no NPC hirelings, well no hirelings / summons etc prior to Beta ? As well as global banks and no caravans supported game mechanic ? Somone who followed the game had knowledge of these even prior to public beta..
Is the site got no update ...well since 2003 ?
Prestige class was dropped, already back in 2006 devs decided it would not be implemented becouse it was not on par with devs vision of what darkfall should be without classes it would be stupid to implement a class.
So noone in all those years had the time to change the FAQ on the site?
pff, why aren't there independent orgaizations sueing hese kind of companies? All of the players should be paid back of their money becouse of these lies.
Because no one gives a shit about such not important things except some haters who want to find something to throw shit at ?
I know where to search and what place to visit for the info i need regarding DF ..i am fully ok with the company don't using the wesite to give me info but forums, irc and whatnot ..(if they sharing info that is ..lol)
{ Mod Edit } The fact that their main webpage which is advertising their game that is ONLY available through digital purchase is almost entirely wrong is considered fine because "their website doesn't matter and you (meaning one person who has followed this game for years) knows what is correct and false" justifies majority of it being wrong?
I guess it's perfectly fine to spread false advertisements in an attempt to make more profit.
I agree with you completely. I cannot understand how someone can so blindly defend a company!!!???
Their website is their main portal for advertising and selling the game. If I, as a potential consumer, want information about the game and how to purchase it, their website is the #1 resource that I will utilize. That is like saying a restaurant does need a clean facility or a baseball field could have horrible grass or stands.
Add to that, Darkfall needs to entice people on the fence to play. If I go to their website and seek information and do not find it or find it difficult to obtain, I am less likely to play. I was just on a website yesterday for a game I am interested in and the website and registration process was painful and 1000 times TOO difficult so I am no longer interested in the game.
Darth, you are thinking like someone who loves the game, defends Aventurine and have followed the game for years. You are a big FAN of the game. Now think like someone on the fence, a customer who might want to play and if you do, you might change your thinking when it comes to the game and how Aventurine runs business.
I can tell you this: if they do not, Darkfall will have a hard time continuing to succeed. They need players and they need to do stuff to bring players in and that included an up-to-date and helpful website. That is their first line of communcation with the playerbase and also their main financial purchasing agent.
Add to that, Darkfall is supposedly a sandbox and for many, one of the attractive things about a sandbox, is the send of community that develops. Without a well functioning website, it is difficult to have that. Trust me, I played DAOC for years and always missed the sense of community outside of the guild itself.
Third, the website is Aventurine's main communication tool. They need to keep the players informed of design decisions and of the state of the game. That is good business and it is expected by the majority of players. Look at WAR, WOW, AOC and others - the designers and producers often issue "state of the game" announcements and the community appreciates it. Without a well functioning website, I am simply curious how Aventurine plans of keeping the playerbase informed and updated.
The lack of an effective website, to me, is just another slap in the face to players and continues to show Aventurine's poor business sense and lack of respect for players. It is even more of an insult to those of us who are interested in the game and could be potential subscribers. It is a symptom of a bigger problem and the sad part is, comments like "it isn't needed" or "it doesn't matter" only reinforces Aventurine's maltreatment of their players and adds to the problem.
well as you can imagine i was at some point in time at same situation at not knowing much about the game .. I don't have ignored the forums and irc and journals and other places to collect info from about the game...if someone would ask me whats the most official and best place for company's communication towards community (main communication tool) ..i would say this :
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
If they don't have time or can't pay somebody to update their site why don't they ask for volunteers. With all the die hard fans out there I'm sure there's a few who know HTML and would be willing to devote some time to creating an updated feature list page.
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
If they don't have time or can't pay somebody to update their site why don't they ask for volunteers. With all the die hard fans out there I'm sure there's a few who know HTML and would be willing to devote some time to creating an updated feature list page.
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
Personal teasing aside a company must develop a product and concentrate on that as their primary goal and as their highest priority ...that product is finally what will sell or not ..
See i played PRE CU and give money the the suckers at $OE because of the gameplay PRECU ..and i stoped give these suckers money because of the NGE ..i didn't looked once on their crappy website...(well till i ll bookmarked forums)..$OE's website hasnb't influenced wether my paying nor my cancel of subscription..
I ll give money to Aventurine because of the game DarkFall i enjoy ..i don't look big at their website and if it wins some business contets or not .. Could it be better ..sure ..but first and foremost they have to work on the game ..if they can free time ..then they can update the website ..for sake of new customers i ll say ok..they should update the faq ..but i don't really need it .. and many clan members don't need it and they should get in before someone who heard first of this game and visit the site the first time in his life..
So yes, they should update this site but first thing is my clan gets in ..andwe have several people in game who can provide others with info if needed..i guess so is situation in other clans too.. you see how is my priority list ? i hope you understand ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
pff, why aren't there independent orgaizations sueing hese kind of companies? All of the players should be paid back of their money becouse of these lies.
Because no one gives a shit about such not important things except some haters who want to find something to throw shit at ?
I know where to search and what place to visit for the info i need regarding DF ..i am fully ok with the company don't using the wesite to give me info but forums, irc and whatnot ..(if they sharing info that is ..lol)
{ Mod Edit } The fact that their main webpage which is advertising their game that is ONLY available through digital purchase is almost entirely wrong is considered fine because "their website doesn't matter and you (meaning one person who has followed this game for years) knows what is correct and false" justifies majority of it being wrong?
I guess it's perfectly fine to spread false advertisements in an attempt to make more profit.
I agree with you completely. I cannot understand how someone can so blindly defend a company!!!???
Their website is their main portal for advertising and selling the game. If I, as a potential consumer, want information about the game and how to purchase it, their website is the #1 resource that I will utilize. That is like saying a restaurant does need a clean facility or a baseball field could have horrible grass or stands.
Add to that, Darkfall needs to entice people on the fence to play. If I go to their website and seek information and do not find it or find it difficult to obtain, I am less likely to play. I was just on a website yesterday for a game I am interested in and the website and registration process was painful and 1000 times TOO difficult so I am no longer interested in the game.
Darth, you are thinking like someone who loves the game, defends Aventurine and have followed the game for years. You are a big FAN of the game. Now think like someone on the fence, a customer who might want to play and if you do, you might change your thinking when it comes to the game and how Aventurine runs business.
I can tell you this: if they do not, Darkfall will have a hard time continuing to succeed. They need players and they need to do stuff to bring players in and that included an up-to-date and helpful website. That is their first line of communcation with the playerbase and also their main financial purchasing agent.
Add to that, Darkfall is supposedly a sandbox and for many, one of the attractive things about a sandbox, is the send of community that develops. Without a well functioning website, it is difficult to have that. Trust me, I played DAOC for years and always missed the sense of community outside of the guild itself.
Third, the website is Aventurine's main communication tool. They need to keep the players informed of design decisions and of the state of the game. That is good business and it is expected by the majority of players. Look at WAR, WOW, AOC and others - the designers and producers often issue "state of the game" announcements and the community appreciates it. Without a well functioning website, I am simply curious how Aventurine plans of keeping the playerbase informed and updated.
The lack of an effective website, to me, is just another slap in the face to players and continues to show Aventurine's poor business sense and lack of respect for players. It is even more of an insult to those of us who are interested in the game and could be potential subscribers. It is a symptom of a bigger problem and the sad part is, comments like "it isn't needed" or "it doesn't matter" only reinforces Aventurine's maltreatment of their players and adds to the problem.
well as you can imagine i was at some point in time at same situation at not knowing much about the game .. I don't have ignored the forums and irc and journals and other places to collect info from about the game...if someone would ask me whats the most official and best place for company's communication towards community (main communication tool) ..i would say this :
"Hey, I didn't have a problem finding the information, so it's no big deal."
The difference is, the game wasn't available during your "finding out the information". You had little else to do than to follow the forums if you were truly interested in the game.
The thing is now, the game is available(well, kind of).
You're average person IS going to read the features list , check the screens, and most any other information available on the website, then decide on whether to try the game or not. They will then look for they usually large, neon flashing link for the "Buy It Now!" site, and not find it.
Said person now thinks, "Ok, I'll hit the forums and ask." Only to be lambasted with the bone-headed, adolescent, derogatory comments from the community. Yes, someone may actually post the information he is seeking, but the above lambasting WILL happen.
Then, unless the person asks about every feature listed on the website, he still will not know BEFORE purchasing the game, that a very large percentage of listed features are not in game, and may not ever be.
This scenario is absolutely wrong. Try to spin it any way you like, it will still be WRONG.
If you think DarkFall can survive with the current playerbase, then feel free to wallow in it. Enjoy it while you can.
If Aventurine does not start conducting business in an acceptable fashion, catering to the current populace AND potential subscribers, then the days of Darkfall are numbered.
I am sure I am not alone in saying I have followed this game for quite a few years(2002), and I am more than a little let down by this whole debacle.
If they don't have time or can't pay somebody to update their site why don't they ask for volunteers. With all the die hard fans out there I'm sure there's a few who know HTML and would be willing to devote some time to creating an updated feature list page.
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
Personal teasing aside a company must develop a product and concentrate on that as their primary goal and as their highest priority ...that product is finally what will sell or not ..
See i played PRE CU and give money the the suckers at $OE because of the gameplay PRECU ..and i stoped give these suckers money because of the NGE ..i didn't looked once on their crappy website...(well till i ll bookmarked forums)..$OE's website hasnb't influenced wether my paying nor my cancel of subscription..
I ll give money to Aventurine because of the game DarkFall i enjoy ..i don't look big at their website and if it wins some business contets or not .. Could it be better ..sure ..but first and foremost they have to work on the game ..if they can free time ..then they can update the website ..for sake of new customers i ll say ok..they should update the faq ..but i don't really need it .. and many clan members don't need it and they should get in before someone who heard first of this game and visit the site the first time in his life..
So yes, they should update this site but first thing is my clan gets in ..andwe have several people in game who can provide others with info if needed..i guess so is situation in other clans too.. you see how is my priority list ? i hope you understand ..
You played Pre-CU, but yet you were over in the SWG forums recently complaining about the "clunky" UI and other aspects of the SWG trial?
Your priority list? Yes, it is very easy to see...
well as you can imagine i was at some point in time at same situation at not knowing much about the game .. I don't have ignored the forums and irc and journals and other places to collect info from about the game...if someone would ask me whats the most official and best place for company's communication towards community (main communication tool) ..i would say this : forums.darkfallonline.com/forumdisplay.php
You simply don't get it, do you?
"Hey, I didn't have a problem finding the information, so it's no big deal."
The difference is, the game wasn't available during your "finding out the information". You had little else to do than to follow the forums if you were truly interested in the game.
The thing is now, the game is available(well, kind of).
You're average person IS going to read the features list , check the screens, and most any other information available on the website, then decide on whether to try the game or not. They will then look for they usually large, neon flashing link for the "Buy It Now!" site, and not find it.
Said person now thinks, "Ok, I'll hit the forums and ask." Only to be lambasted with the bone-headed, adolescent, derogatory comments from the community. Yes, someone may actually post the information he is seeking, but the above lambasting WILL happen.
Then, unless the person asks about every feature listed on the website, he still will not know BEFORE purchasing the game, that a very large percentage of listed features are not in game, and may not ever be.
This scenario is absolutely wrong. Try to spin it any way you like, it will still be WRONG.
If you think DarkFall can survive with the current playerbase, then feel free to wallow in it. Enjoy it while you can.
If Aventurine does not start conducting business in an acceptable fashion, catering to the current populace AND potential subscribers, then the days of Darkfall are numbered.
I am sure I am not alone in saying I have followed this game for quite a few years(2002), and I am more than a little let down by this whole debacle.
Get it yet?
At least you got where i was coming from ..
-small playerbase for the win ..
-if someone is able to collect the info and do the search work is worthy to enter the game ..
(i have some other believes about who is worthy too lol)
/congrats
(btw i fully understand that it could be against interest of the company of my game but i like it that way and is my opinion before someone replys stupid things about again lol)
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
If they don't have time or can't pay somebody to update their site why don't they ask for volunteers. With all the die hard fans out there I'm sure there's a few who know HTML and would be willing to devote some time to creating an updated feature list page.
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
Personal teasing aside a company must develop a product and concentrate on that as their primary goal and as their highest priority ...that product is finally what will sell or not ..
See i played PRE CU and give money the the suckers at $OE because of the gameplay PRECU ..and i stoped give these suckers money because of the NGE ..i didn't looked once on their crappy website...(well till i ll bookmarked forums)..$OE's website hasnb't influenced wether my paying nor my cancel of subscription..
I ll give money to Aventurine because of the game DarkFall i enjoy ..i don't look big at their website and if it wins some business contets or not .. Could it be better ..sure ..but first and foremost they have to work on the game ..if they can free time ..then they can update the website ..for sake of new customers i ll say ok..they should update the faq ..but i don't really need it .. and many clan members don't need it and they should get in before someone who heard first of this game and visit the site the first time in his life..
So yes, they should update this site but first thing is my clan gets in ..andwe have several people in game who can provide others with info if needed..i guess so is situation in other clans too.. you see how is my priority list ? i hope you understand ..
You played Pre-CU, but yet you were over in the SWG forums recently complaining about the "clunky" UI and other aspects of the SWG trial?
Your priority lest? Yes, it is very easy to see...
Dang, I'm done with this one, it's hopeless.
Yes because of the NGE suddenly felt the need to go over those details and release my anger about ..i know all of these what some of you doing here too lol
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them.
Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves.
And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
He won't answer your questions Myck because he can't.
He hasn't been told what to say by his handlers yet and until his next shill paycheck he will be without any new thought or responses. Just follow his posting pattern and the pattern of a few other sycophantic delusionals, you will see what I mean.
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
He won't answer your questions Myck because he can't.
He hasn't been told what to say by his handlers yet and until his next shill paycheck he will be without any new thought or responses. Just follow his posting pattern and the pattern of a few other sycophantic delusionals, you will see what I mean.
You may live in the world were such a thing like being fan of something doesn't exist..but i can assure you..i defend DarkFall because i want to ..because i believe in what these guys trying to accomplish and i believe they on the right track ..you may don't believe such thing exist ..but yes i do these without getting material reward ..i started simply because i couldn't accept so much people called it vapor and i believedit will release ...and finally some of us playing it..and those vaportrolls were wrong ..
if you watch some posts ago i stated and not the first time .. i like small dedicated playerbase..this could not be what the company wish .. so how you think i am payed or something lol (plus they like perfect english talking employees lol)
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
The bottom line, dear Darth, is that since the lists are outdated and yet still present, the company is using "bait and switch" tactics just by selling the game.
Darth, seriously, I'm not sure how familiar you are with web development but it literally takes a few minutes to change the information. It's not hours of grueling code crunching. It basically comes down to opening up the page in Notepad or Dreamweaver and editing the text. You don't need a masters in Computer Science. Yes, even Tasos can do it. From what I hear, he's not actually a developer, he doesn't code anything. I'm sure that learning a few HTML tags would prove beneficial in the long
Hell, if the site was done correctly, which it probably wasn't because it looks like crap, the backend portion of it would allow a person to update the site without actually editing HTML, Flash and CSS, or whatever other fancy crap they have there. KInd of like this forum, you type your message and click "Post".
If they don't have time or can't pay somebody to update their site why don't they ask for volunteers. With all the die hard fans out there I'm sure there's a few who know HTML and would be willing to devote some time to creating an updated feature list page.
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
There are a lot of potential buyers out there who probably just heard of DF recently because it released. I don't know how you go about researching a new game but the first place I look is their official web site. If the information there does not appeal to me I usually won't continue reading about the game else where. Some one else also pointed out that DF has had a long history in development so reading through years of speculation, blogs, fourm posts and reviews will make your head spin.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
Anyone know what this sentence means? I am confuzzled. My brain hurts.
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them. Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves. And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
Anyone know what this sentence means? I am confuzzled. My brain hurts.
I think he is trying to say that the good outweighs the bad. Or something...
I mentioned this already.It has NOTHING to do with design decisions or anything else.When i decided to do a LOT of digging into the whole past of this operation and game,it became quite apparent that this game was pretty much at this very point several years ago.It is my honest opinion that believes AV did at best 5% to this game.This is pretty much the EXACT same game the original developer Razor wax ?i believe was the name had already completed.
What has kept this 75% completed project from making it to mainstream was the lack of support/marketing and a publisher.That has been the whole delay of this game for years.Tasos i guess has a decent influence in Greece and finally managed enough cash to start up the server,but even that was skeptical as he took out that loan i believe was like 2 years ago.Perhaps he used that money for his own business ,perhaps it was struggling at the time ,i do not know,maybe he owed creditors again not sure.THe ONLY reason this game survived at all ,i believe was because of TAOS business that did some software work for the government,so he had enough cash flow to keep a few employees going and keep the hopes of the game alive.
I really believe AV is operating at either a deficit or near zero income,this game wil lsurvive month to month off of it's subscribers.Unless Tasos is a dummy,and i dont think eh is at all,he wont be spending his own cash to keep a sizable staff on hand.What this means is VERY slow updates and not much ever added to the game ,perhaps over long periods you will see small addditions to the game.If you do your homework ,you wil leasily see that this game is struggling for cash BIGTIME,so do not expect much of improvements to the already in place game you are playing.
I guess it seems to me anyhow,MANY are quite happy and content ,the way the game is now,i dont doubt it,as the present day player seems to care only about PVP and not much about the actual game anyhow.This is not a discredit to the DF player ,this is something that has become VERY apparent all over the MMOworld as of late.I guess the important thing is that players are happy,i can't think of a better reason to play a game than if it keeps you happy and have a great time doing it...so all the power to those who enjoy the game
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Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
OMG! You just simply don't get it do you?
This game is NOT ABOUT YOU! You are responding as if everything about this game IS ABOUT YOU!
What is it you don't understand for crying out loud???????????
Folks here are saying that "potential" customers, normally go to an official company website, to get information on a game they heard of or may be interested in. That's the way it works. GEEZ!
Even every free-to-play game on the planet has an up-to-date website detailing information on their game.
I have a clue for you. Not every person on the planet has heard about OR followed Darkfall for 8+ years. They certainly cannot be expected to wade through 8+ years worth of posts to get some information.
Unbelievable!
Because no one gives a shit about such not important things except some haters who want to find something to throw shit at ?
I know where to search and what place to visit for the info i need regarding DF ..i am fully ok with the company don't using the wesite to give me info but forums, irc and whatnot ..(if they sharing info that is ..lol)
I have a geniune question for Darth. I have never posted. I've always been content to follow the game on my own and use the forums for amusement and to keep my finger on the pulse.
Full Disclosure: I began following this game back when these forums were a full page of Vaporware threads and like 2 actual information posts. I fell in love with everything that the OP posted as expected features. The game has now "released" (this is debatable due to it not being widely available) Since Beta to this point in time though, I'v ebeen disgusted with my being promised a pizza with everything on it, but being given some uncooked dough that has fallen into a puddle of ketchup. Even more disgusted with the people that accuse you of being a carebear that doesn't like pizza. To which I could reply, that's not pizza, its dough and sauce which is like a failure of its intended form. To which they reply, F' you, its better than the McDonalds that you carebears love. To which I reply....
Whew sorry I started seeing red there for a sec.
But to Darth and any other DFO advocates (I didn't use "fanboi", don't call me "troll". We'll see how long that truce lasts btw.), I have a handful of serious and geniune questions:
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Please understand that I'm just trying to understand. I'm so baffled by Darth's responses to a factual accounting to the current state of the game and site, that I literally broke my silence on these forums after following this game from the early 2000s.
Do you played the game ? My answer on your questions would depend on your answer on these question..
If you not plyed i can answer these .. i know DF since 1,5 years and read anything on it .. i know much of the things that have been advertised ..sure i would like to see weather and that fluff in te game but thats not important for me..they delivered on whats important for me so i don't search the feature list to find details i am unhappy with and then start flaming forums about ..i am overly happy with what i got and with the progress these game show with every new build and update i am highly confident it will get better...
Is it ok if weather gets enabled ? sure some cool and funny addition..would i quit the game if not or start forum flames because of it ? NO not important for me ..
Some other things i fully understand why they out..would i like traps/snares in game ? hell NO ..good they cut out !
would i like some fluffy animals wondering around ..hey cool stuff ..important ..NO..would i want the team to spend time on it ? NO only if anything else that has higher priority is resolved ..and pretty much anything else has higher priority... In any case i don't care about the website ...
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Do you played the game ? My answer on your questions would depend on your answer on these question..
If you not plyed i can answer these .. i know DF since 1,5 years and read anything on it .. i know much of the things that have been advertised ..sure i would like to see weather and that fluff in te game but thats not important for me..they delivered on whats important for me so i don't search the feature list to find details i am unhappy with and then start flaming forums about ..i am overly happy with what i got and with the progress these game show with every new build and update i am highly confident it will get better...
Is it ok if weather gets enabled ? sure some cool and funny addition..would i quit the game if not or start forum flames because of it ? NO not important for me ..
Some other things i fully understand why they out..would i like traps/snares in game ? hell NO ..good they cut out !
would i like some fluffy animals wondering around ..hey cool stuff ..important ..NO..would i want the team to spend time on it ? NO only if anything else that has higher priority is resolved ..and pretty much anything else has higher priority... In any case i don't care about the website ...
Ok from trying to read most or some of your posts, I can gather you are no more than a high school student. Is this true? If not please use proper grammar when trolling these threads. How old are you? Just curious.
I read through that FAQ on the Darkfall website and based on the description of the features I would have considered trying that game. Personalized housing that you can design yourself and place where you like sounds pretty cool. Those Prestige classes sounded pretty nice as a way to progress your characters. I really liked the fact that they said that if I really was not that heavy into PvP I should still give it a try. /slap
This is some pretty enticing set of features. Not knowing anything else about the game I would be most certainly considering buying it. I would then be really pissed when I found out none of the stuff was actually in the game. These really are not just 'fluff' items. They are things that can really sell a game to a player.
Aren't there Greek laws that prohibit that kind of false advertising?
No, Design decisions through the development process have putting some features off..those were announced through forum post announcements and rather not updated in the site section..thats all..some stuff is there from 2003 not changed..
The game released feature complete in regards to what an INFORMED commuity member would expect (except 4 legs run mahirim and individual housing)
Lol are you talking about Darkfall or another game becouse what your saying sounds like Tasos have done all those years lying:P
Oh c'mmon didn't you know about prestige classes of f months prior to Beta , towers instead of guards prior to Beta , no NPC hirelings, well no hirelings / summons etc prior to Beta ? As well as global banks and no caravans supported game mechanic ? Somone who followed the game had knowledge of these even prior to public beta..
Is the site got no update ...well since 2003 ?
Prestige class was dropped, already back in 2006 devs decided it would not be implemented becouse it was not on par with devs vision of what darkfall should be without classes it would be stupid to implement a class.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
No, Design decisions through the development process have putting some features off..those were announced through forum post announcements and rather not updated in the site section..thats all..some stuff is there from 2003 not changed..
The game released feature complete in regards to what an INFORMED commuity member would expect (except 4 legs run mahirim and individual housing)
Lol are you talking about Darkfall or another game becouse what your saying sounds like Tasos have done all those years lying:P
Oh c'mmon didn't you know about prestige classes of f months prior to Beta , towers instead of guards prior to Beta , no NPC hirelings, well no hirelings / summons etc prior to Beta ? As well as global banks and no caravans supported game mechanic ? Somone who followed the game had knowledge of these even prior to public beta..
Is the site got no update ...well since 2003 ?
Prestige class was dropped, already back in 2006 devs decided it would not be implemented becouse it was not on par with devs vision of what darkfall should be without classes it would be stupid to implement a class.
So noone in all those years had the time to change the FAQ on the site?
Because no one gives a shit about such not important things except some haters who want to find something to throw shit at ?
I know where to search and what place to visit for the info i need regarding DF ..i am fully ok with the company don't using the wesite to give me info but forums, irc and whatnot ..(if they sharing info that is ..lol)
{ Mod Edit } The fact that their main webpage which is advertising their game that is ONLY available through digital purchase is almost entirely wrong is considered fine because "their website doesn't matter and you (meaning one person who has followed this game for years) knows what is correct and false" justifies majority of it being wrong?
I guess it's perfectly fine to spread false advertisements in an attempt to make more profit.
I agree with you completely. I cannot understand how someone can so blindly defend a company!!!???
Their website is their main portal for advertising and selling the game. If I, as a potential consumer, want information about the game and how to purchase it, their website is the #1 resource that I will utilize. That is like saying a restaurant does need a clean facility or a baseball field could have horrible grass or stands.
Add to that, Darkfall needs to entice people on the fence to play. If I go to their website and seek information and do not find it or find it difficult to obtain, I am less likely to play. I was just on a website yesterday for a game I am interested in and the website and registration process was painful and 1000 times TOO difficult so I am no longer interested in the game.
Darth, you are thinking like someone who loves the game, defends Aventurine and have followed the game for years. You are a big FAN of the game. Now think like someone on the fence, a customer who might want to play and if you do, you might change your thinking when it comes to the game and how Aventurine runs business.
I can tell you this: if they do not, Darkfall will have a hard time continuing to succeed. They need players and they need to do stuff to bring players in and that included an up-to-date and helpful website. That is their first line of communcation with the playerbase and also their main financial purchasing agent.
Add to that, Darkfall is supposedly a sandbox and for many, one of the attractive things about a sandbox, is the send of community that develops. Without a well functioning website, it is difficult to have that. Trust me, I played DAOC for years and always missed the sense of community outside of the guild itself.
Third, the website is Aventurine's main communication tool. They need to keep the players informed of design decisions and of the state of the game. That is good business and it is expected by the majority of players. Look at WAR, WOW, AOC and others - the designers and producers often issue "state of the game" announcements and the community appreciates it. Without a well functioning website, I am simply curious how Aventurine plans of keeping the playerbase informed and updated.
The lack of an effective website, to me, is just another slap in the face to players and continues to show Aventurine's poor business sense and lack of respect for players. It is even more of an insult to those of us who are interested in the game and could be potential subscribers. It is a symptom of a bigger problem and the sad part is, comments like "it isn't needed" or "it doesn't matter" only reinforces Aventurine's maltreatment of their players and adds to the problem.
well as you can imagine i was at some point in time at same situation at not knowing much about the game .. I don't have ignored the forums and irc and journals and other places to collect info from about the game...if someone would ask me whats the most official and best place for company's communication towards community (main communication tool) ..i would say this :
forums.darkfallonline.com/forumdisplay.php
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
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Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
Personal teasing aside a company must develop a product and concentrate on that as their primary goal and as their highest priority ...that product is finally what will sell or not ..
See i played PRE CU and give money the the suckers at $OE because of the gameplay PRECU ..and i stoped give these suckers money because of the NGE ..i didn't looked once on their crappy website...(well till i ll bookmarked forums)..$OE's website hasnb't influenced wether my paying nor my cancel of subscription..
I ll give money to Aventurine because of the game DarkFall i enjoy ..i don't look big at their website and if it wins some business contets or not .. Could it be better ..sure ..but first and foremost they have to work on the game ..if they can free time ..then they can update the website ..for sake of new customers i ll say ok..they should update the faq ..but i don't really need it .. and many clan members don't need it and they should get in before someone who heard first of this game and visit the site the first time in his life..
So yes, they should update this site but first thing is my clan gets in ..andwe have several people in game who can provide others with info if needed..i guess so is situation in other clans too.. you see how is my priority list ? i hope you understand ..
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Because no one gives a shit about such not important things except some haters who want to find something to throw shit at ?
I know where to search and what place to visit for the info i need regarding DF ..i am fully ok with the company don't using the wesite to give me info but forums, irc and whatnot ..(if they sharing info that is ..lol)
{ Mod Edit } The fact that their main webpage which is advertising their game that is ONLY available through digital purchase is almost entirely wrong is considered fine because "their website doesn't matter and you (meaning one person who has followed this game for years) knows what is correct and false" justifies majority of it being wrong?
I guess it's perfectly fine to spread false advertisements in an attempt to make more profit.
I agree with you completely. I cannot understand how someone can so blindly defend a company!!!???
Their website is their main portal for advertising and selling the game. If I, as a potential consumer, want information about the game and how to purchase it, their website is the #1 resource that I will utilize. That is like saying a restaurant does need a clean facility or a baseball field could have horrible grass or stands.
Add to that, Darkfall needs to entice people on the fence to play. If I go to their website and seek information and do not find it or find it difficult to obtain, I am less likely to play. I was just on a website yesterday for a game I am interested in and the website and registration process was painful and 1000 times TOO difficult so I am no longer interested in the game.
Darth, you are thinking like someone who loves the game, defends Aventurine and have followed the game for years. You are a big FAN of the game. Now think like someone on the fence, a customer who might want to play and if you do, you might change your thinking when it comes to the game and how Aventurine runs business.
I can tell you this: if they do not, Darkfall will have a hard time continuing to succeed. They need players and they need to do stuff to bring players in and that included an up-to-date and helpful website. That is their first line of communcation with the playerbase and also their main financial purchasing agent.
Add to that, Darkfall is supposedly a sandbox and for many, one of the attractive things about a sandbox, is the send of community that develops. Without a well functioning website, it is difficult to have that. Trust me, I played DAOC for years and always missed the sense of community outside of the guild itself.
Third, the website is Aventurine's main communication tool. They need to keep the players informed of design decisions and of the state of the game. That is good business and it is expected by the majority of players. Look at WAR, WOW, AOC and others - the designers and producers often issue "state of the game" announcements and the community appreciates it. Without a well functioning website, I am simply curious how Aventurine plans of keeping the playerbase informed and updated.
The lack of an effective website, to me, is just another slap in the face to players and continues to show Aventurine's poor business sense and lack of respect for players. It is even more of an insult to those of us who are interested in the game and could be potential subscribers. It is a symptom of a bigger problem and the sad part is, comments like "it isn't needed" or "it doesn't matter" only reinforces Aventurine's maltreatment of their players and adds to the problem.
well as you can imagine i was at some point in time at same situation at not knowing much about the game .. I don't have ignored the forums and irc and journals and other places to collect info from about the game...if someone would ask me whats the most official and best place for company's communication towards community (main communication tool) ..i would say this :
forums.darkfallonline.com/forumdisplay.php
You simply don't get it, do you?
"Hey, I didn't have a problem finding the information, so it's no big deal."
The difference is, the game wasn't available during your "finding out the information". You had little else to do than to follow the forums if you were truly interested in the game.
The thing is now, the game is available(well, kind of).
You're average person IS going to read the features list , check the screens, and most any other information available on the website, then decide on whether to try the game or not. They will then look for they usually large, neon flashing link for the "Buy It Now!" site, and not find it.
Said person now thinks, "Ok, I'll hit the forums and ask." Only to be lambasted with the bone-headed, adolescent, derogatory comments from the community. Yes, someone may actually post the information he is seeking, but the above lambasting WILL happen.
Then, unless the person asks about every feature listed on the website, he still will not know BEFORE purchasing the game, that a very large percentage of listed features are not in game, and may not ever be.
This scenario is absolutely wrong. Try to spin it any way you like, it will still be WRONG.
If you think DarkFall can survive with the current playerbase, then feel free to wallow in it. Enjoy it while you can.
If Aventurine does not start conducting business in an acceptable fashion, catering to the current populace AND potential subscribers, then the days of Darkfall are numbered.
I am sure I am not alone in saying I have followed this game for quite a few years(2002), and I am more than a little let down by this whole debacle.
Get it yet?
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
Personal teasing aside a company must develop a product and concentrate on that as their primary goal and as their highest priority ...that product is finally what will sell or not ..
See i played PRE CU and give money the the suckers at $OE because of the gameplay PRECU ..and i stoped give these suckers money because of the NGE ..i didn't looked once on their crappy website...(well till i ll bookmarked forums)..$OE's website hasnb't influenced wether my paying nor my cancel of subscription..
I ll give money to Aventurine because of the game DarkFall i enjoy ..i don't look big at their website and if it wins some business contets or not .. Could it be better ..sure ..but first and foremost they have to work on the game ..if they can free time ..then they can update the website ..for sake of new customers i ll say ok..they should update the faq ..but i don't really need it .. and many clan members don't need it and they should get in before someone who heard first of this game and visit the site the first time in his life..
So yes, they should update this site but first thing is my clan gets in ..andwe have several people in game who can provide others with info if needed..i guess so is situation in other clans too.. you see how is my priority list ? i hope you understand ..
You played Pre-CU, but yet you were over in the SWG forums recently complaining about the "clunky" UI and other aspects of the SWG trial?
Your priority list? Yes, it is very easy to see...
Dang, I'm done with this one, it's hopeless.
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
You simply don't get it, do you?
"Hey, I didn't have a problem finding the information, so it's no big deal."
The difference is, the game wasn't available during your "finding out the information". You had little else to do than to follow the forums if you were truly interested in the game.
The thing is now, the game is available(well, kind of).
You're average person IS going to read the features list , check the screens, and most any other information available on the website, then decide on whether to try the game or not. They will then look for they usually large, neon flashing link for the "Buy It Now!" site, and not find it.
Said person now thinks, "Ok, I'll hit the forums and ask." Only to be lambasted with the bone-headed, adolescent, derogatory comments from the community. Yes, someone may actually post the information he is seeking, but the above lambasting WILL happen.
Then, unless the person asks about every feature listed on the website, he still will not know BEFORE purchasing the game, that a very large percentage of listed features are not in game, and may not ever be.
This scenario is absolutely wrong. Try to spin it any way you like, it will still be WRONG.
If you think DarkFall can survive with the current playerbase, then feel free to wallow in it. Enjoy it while you can.
If Aventurine does not start conducting business in an acceptable fashion, catering to the current populace AND potential subscribers, then the days of Darkfall are numbered.
I am sure I am not alone in saying I have followed this game for quite a few years(2002), and I am more than a little let down by this whole debacle.
Get it yet?
At least you got where i was coming from ..
-small playerbase for the win ..
-if someone is able to collect the info and do the search work is worthy to enter the game ..
(i have some other believes about who is worthy too lol)
/congrats
(btw i fully understand that it could be against interest of the company of my game but i like it that way and is my opinion before someone replys stupid things about again lol)
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is why Darthraiden spends so much time on these boards.. He don't knwo anything about running a company.
Darth, let me set this up for you.
A company needs to sell a product to stay afloat. If they don't sell the product, then they go out of business. Sorry, but Aventurine can't run on your hopes and dreams of Darkfall. I know this may be hard to understand at first, but the world revolves around money. Yes, money (because money is power and freedom). companies need to make this thing called money to pay their employees so that they can live (yes, again, paying the employees with the "Thanks" of fans doesn't work. Sorry!)..
So, Darth, the affection you have for Aventurine and the game that so few are "worthy" of is completely unfounded. Aventurine is a company. Company's need to make money to function or stay in business. So, they need to make sure their prospective customers have a product that they want to buy. And posting "Beta Sign up!" is not the way to go. Thanks for your time.
Personal teasing aside a company must develop a product and concentrate on that as their primary goal and as their highest priority ...that product is finally what will sell or not ..
See i played PRE CU and give money the the suckers at $OE because of the gameplay PRECU ..and i stoped give these suckers money because of the NGE ..i didn't looked once on their crappy website...(well till i ll bookmarked forums)..$OE's website hasnb't influenced wether my paying nor my cancel of subscription..
I ll give money to Aventurine because of the game DarkFall i enjoy ..i don't look big at their website and if it wins some business contets or not .. Could it be better ..sure ..but first and foremost they have to work on the game ..if they can free time ..then they can update the website ..for sake of new customers i ll say ok..they should update the faq ..but i don't really need it .. and many clan members don't need it and they should get in before someone who heard first of this game and visit the site the first time in his life..
So yes, they should update this site but first thing is my clan gets in ..andwe have several people in game who can provide others with info if needed..i guess so is situation in other clans too.. you see how is my priority list ? i hope you understand ..
You played Pre-CU, but yet you were over in the SWG forums recently complaining about the "clunky" UI and other aspects of the SWG trial?
Your priority lest? Yes, it is very easy to see...
Dang, I'm done with this one, it's hopeless.
Yes because of the NGE suddenly felt the need to go over those details and release my anger about ..i know all of these what some of you doing here too lol
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not to be pushy or anything. You technically didn't answer my questions as I asked them.
Granted you gave your opinion on the state of the game overall. But I was honestly hoping for your answer to the questions themselves.
And no whether I have played the game or not yet does not prevent you from asnwering my questions. I can repost if you don't want to scroll up or page back.
http://buffbots.blogspot.com/
He won't answer your questions Myck because he can't.
He hasn't been told what to say by his handlers yet and until his next shill paycheck he will be without any new thought or responses. Just follow his posting pattern and the pattern of a few other sycophantic delusionals, you will see what I mean.
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
He won't answer your questions Myck because he can't.
He hasn't been told what to say by his handlers yet and until his next shill paycheck he will be without any new thought or responses. Just follow his posting pattern and the pattern of a few other sycophantic delusionals, you will see what I mean.
You may live in the world were such a thing like being fan of something doesn't exist..but i can assure you..i defend DarkFall because i want to ..because i believe in what these guys trying to accomplish and i believe they on the right track ..you may don't believe such thing exist ..but yes i do these without getting material reward ..i started simply because i couldn't accept so much people called it vapor and i believedit will release ...and finally some of us playing it..and those vaportrolls were wrong ..
if you watch some posts ago i stated and not the first time .. i like small dedicated playerbase..this could not be what the company wish .. so how you think i am payed or something lol (plus they like perfect english talking employees lol)
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
http://buffbots.blogspot.com/
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
The bottom line, dear Darth, is that since the lists are outdated and yet still present, the company is using "bait and switch" tactics just by selling the game.
Darth, seriously, I'm not sure how familiar you are with web development but it literally takes a few minutes to change the information. It's not hours of grueling code crunching. It basically comes down to opening up the page in Notepad or Dreamweaver and editing the text. You don't need a masters in Computer Science. Yes, even Tasos can do it. From what I hear, he's not actually a developer, he doesn't code anything. I'm sure that learning a few HTML tags would prove beneficial in the long
Hell, if the site was done correctly, which it probably wasn't because it looks like crap, the backend portion of it would allow a person to update the site without actually editing HTML, Flash and CSS, or whatever other fancy crap they have there. KInd of like this forum, you type your message and click "Post".
Because the website is no important for them. The playerbase know this , the last time i used the website was for click the beta link for the beta application..(is the nature of those sites presenting static information..you can invest time update every time or just use the forum and forget the site and i understand fully why the chosen the second type of distributing their info )
places of importance for the community ...irc channel and forum fall...(official wise, ofcourse there are player generated sites of importance for the community spread around the web)
There are a lot of potential buyers out there who probably just heard of DF recently because it released. I don't know how you go about researching a new game but the first place I look is their official web site. If the information there does not appeal to me I usually won't continue reading about the game else where. Some one else also pointed out that DF has had a long history in development so reading through years of speculation, blogs, fourm posts and reviews will make your head spin.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
Anyone know what this sentence means? I am confuzzled. My brain hurts.
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1) Why would it be unreasonable to expect that a retail store (that's what they are when you boil it down) should have accurate information on their site? And isn't having that official site still displaying that information without notifying the average visitor that it's inaccurate fraudlent? (The latter was a bit of a trap admittedly since in America there are literally laws against false advertising. If you have the right information elsewhere but the wrong information on the official site where you are able to purchase said product...you can be sued.)
I am not a lawyer don't know if its fullfill fraudlent in Greece as statement of facts. In the case of DarkFall features list and in my personal opinion i value the reasons of why they don't change their website as reasonable.
Anyone in the world that has a job can and will tell you that in this world you are only as good as your word. Whether Greece has laws or not, you can't log onto Amazon, order an iPod and have them send you a CD, but you say its OK bc you like the band and if you read 51st User Opinion someone mentioned a link to the band. Your musical preference isn't being called into question here. The service and what was advertised was. Like-wise the question above had no mention of what your personal opinion is. Not to be snide, but it doesn't. Did they AND are they advertising on the public official website information that is untrue? And isn't that not only bad business but also bad ethics?
2) Do you agree that what was promised was not delivered? Once again clarification: this was not a wishlist, but a statement of features said to be present.
I will not answer this question.. my perception of the feature list was always selective from day one i valued some things above others..
Your perception of the feature list was wrong. It stopped being selective when Tasos said that these ARE the features. That's the very definition of not being selective or one valued more than the other. Also, what is the opinion then? Screw the guys that wanted the other 75% of the content bc you are happy with the scant 25% they delivered? Is it unreasonable for people to want what was advertised?
3) What do you think usually, when you see this situation? A woman you know or care about or empathize with in some way, beaten regularly by her husband, who continues to go back to him and makes excuses for his behaviour, ie. "He loves me", "He said he'll change", "Things are rough for him right now", "He's just stressed"...etc etc.
Its not the case with DarkFall, they did the right decsions IMO if they cut things out then the right ones.I hope they don't change because they are given us DarkFall in first place, example : they had to make a decision ..allowing private houses or not ? what outcome of placing houses ?
a) people have a toy..nice
b)sandboxy ..nice
c) they could place house near monster and farm more effective ..nort so nice ..
d) they can spam a house and create a safezone and run in to safety ..not nice
c) they can use placing houses to block citys/entrances/whatnot ..not nice and usable as exploit..
= cut houses off ..i value these decision as wise and giving me confidence about their thinking ..
Uhm. This one is tricky. I'm sure you did and didn't answer this. To you you deftly side-stepped my analogy to again defend DFO, but I'm honestly saddened by all these answers really passively answering this question. You ARE the Wife. The problem is that the wife never realizes her sad defense or her bruised lips and she smiles to others and assures them things are fine.
So i have to say ..keep up the good work ..really if these guys had only the budget of those useless $OE salesmen with their crapy design decisions...they could made amazing stuff. ..sure ...Game will progress and will get better with more means in their hands in the near future .they were on the right track from start and so much interest showing that they was on something on ...
oh before i forget ..o f course they should be more talky .. that should change ..
First of all edited for the sake of people's eyeballs.
Next. My earnest responses were above. Please note that I'm not calling you a fanboi, just stating some things that are factual. Fact, not troll opinion fact. I am not saying you should dislike a game. But you should stop... spinning the truth so that it stops shining favorably on the dishonest. Whether or not you like DFO isn't a reason to lie about their perfomance or what fans and regular players alike have a right to.
So whats bottom line good Sir ?
I don't see what you like to accomplish..fact is these list is outdated and does not fit in some parts with the actuall game and now what ?
Does the game has gotten better or worse with the missing parts ..i say it has be gotten better for me because they cut out some critical parts that have been increasing the value of my gameplay ..
i have been spared of private houses/safezones, trapcarpets bigger as sparemiles , hordes of hirelings that ganking me, kiting 4 legged mahirims etc.. Sure i will miss weather effects and wondering mobs but that''s so tiny compared to what to i get so i don't see a point to starting flamewars to a game that satisfies me because of missing weather lol ..
Also i don't have called you a troll, but be carefull with your facts, and look at the priority and weigh of facts ..before crucifying something because of a skew nail, look at what has been accomplished..
The first ground, medievel themed, seamless world , full loot , 3D , PvP, real time twitch combat, PvP everywhere has seen the light of MMORPG world..brought to you by a small hardworking development studio that has no support by big publishers and has been created all on itself ..even the engine that has been build the game upon.. and dared to be different in first place..
Anyone know what this sentence means? I am confuzzled. My brain hurts.
I think he is trying to say that the good outweighs the bad. Or something...
It does make ones head spin, doesn't it?
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I mentioned this already.It has NOTHING to do with design decisions or anything else.When i decided to do a LOT of digging into the whole past of this operation and game,it became quite apparent that this game was pretty much at this very point several years ago.It is my honest opinion that believes AV did at best 5% to this game.This is pretty much the EXACT same game the original developer Razor wax ?i believe was the name had already completed.
What has kept this 75% completed project from making it to mainstream was the lack of support/marketing and a publisher.That has been the whole delay of this game for years.Tasos i guess has a decent influence in Greece and finally managed enough cash to start up the server,but even that was skeptical as he took out that loan i believe was like 2 years ago.Perhaps he used that money for his own business ,perhaps it was struggling at the time ,i do not know,maybe he owed creditors again not sure.THe ONLY reason this game survived at all ,i believe was because of TAOS business that did some software work for the government,so he had enough cash flow to keep a few employees going and keep the hopes of the game alive.
I really believe AV is operating at either a deficit or near zero income,this game wil lsurvive month to month off of it's subscribers.Unless Tasos is a dummy,and i dont think eh is at all,he wont be spending his own cash to keep a sizable staff on hand.What this means is VERY slow updates and not much ever added to the game ,perhaps over long periods you will see small addditions to the game.If you do your homework ,you wil leasily see that this game is struggling for cash BIGTIME,so do not expect much of improvements to the already in place game you are playing.
I guess it seems to me anyhow,MANY are quite happy and content ,the way the game is now,i dont doubt it,as the present day player seems to care only about PVP and not much about the actual game anyhow.This is not a discredit to the DF player ,this is something that has become VERY apparent all over the MMOworld as of late.I guess the important thing is that players are happy,i can't think of a better reason to play a game than if it keeps you happy and have a great time doing it...so all the power to those who enjoy the game
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