Nah, just players that do not cheat at video games.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Nah, just players that do not cheat at video games.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly. Many people think or hope that RPGs are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can. They aren't. They are about the story and the experience.
Darkfall was designed by a development team that understands the real appeal of roleplaying games. Grinders and cheaters will fall by the wayside, and Darkfall's release strategy is aimed at that happening.
Nah, just players that do not cheat at video games.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly. Many people think or hope that RPGs are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can. They aren't. They are about the story and the experience. Darkfall was designed by a development team that understands the real appeal of roleplaying games. Grinders and cheaters will fall by the wayside, and Darkfall's release strategy is aimed at that happening.
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
Nah, just players that do not cheat at video games.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
Macros are cheating in Darkfall because there is no in game mechanic which macros. One must use a third party program to macro in Darkfall and third party programs are prohibited by the EULA. So yes, they are cheating.
However, as I have said, I do not macro, yet I am having a blast playing Darkfall.
Over time, my toon improves based on my own playstyle. I just do not feel the need to "get to 80" by tomorrow.
Nah, just players that do not cheat at video games.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
Macros are cheating in Darkfall because there is no in game mechanic which macros. One must use a third party program to macro in Darkfall and third party programs are prohibited by the EULA. So yes, they are cheating.
The great Taco himself seems to disagree with you.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Nah, just players that do not cheat at video games.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
Macros are cheating in Darkfall because there is no in game mechanic which macros. One must use a third party program to macro in Darkfall and third party programs are prohibited by the EULA. So yes, they are cheating.
The great Taco himself seems to disagree with you.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly. Many people think or hope that RPGs are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can. They aren't. They are about the story and the experience. Darkfall was designed by a development team that understands the real appeal of roleplaying games. Grinders and cheaters will fall by the wayside, and Darkfall's release strategy is aimed at that happening.
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
This.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly. Many people think or hope that RPGs are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can. They aren't. They are about the story and the experience. Darkfall was designed by a development team that understands the real appeal of roleplaying games. Grinders and cheaters will fall by the wayside, and Darkfall's release strategy is aimed at that happening.
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
This.
is simply a another rationalization and another poor justification for cheating.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly. Many people think or hope that RPGs are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can. They aren't. They are about the story and the experience. Darkfall was designed by a development team that understands the real appeal of roleplaying games. Grinders and cheaters will fall by the wayside, and Darkfall's release strategy is aimed at that happening.
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
This.
is simply a another rationalization and another poor justification for cheating.
Nothing more.
Rationalization? No, its simply the truth, and why people are cheating/macroing. Wake up dude.
No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
Roleplaying PvP games are not.
I understand the desire to take the roleplaying part out, but Darkfall's game design doesn't agree with you.
Perhaps it isn't the game that is the problem, perhaps it's you.
No one Roleplayes in darkfall. Roleplaying is not hardcore.
Darkfalls design has no support of roleplay.
The games systems are not fun, so people automate this.
You are confusing a RPG system, with roleplaying.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Roleplaying PvP games are not. I understand the desire to take the roleplaying part out, but Darkfall's game design doesn't agree with you. Perhaps it isn't the game that is the problem, perhaps it's you.
You can argue all day what the purpose the game was designed for. People play the game for their own reasons, which I'm not even going to start to list.
I totally disagree with you on what you think RP PVP games are all about. The words PVP simply make it "be the best" already.
Rationalization? No, its simply the truth, and why people are cheating/macroing. Wake up dude.
No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
Here we simply disagree. Cheating is cheating, as far as I am concerned.
I do not grind, I play the game. I enjoy the game immensely.
Macroing is not legit, it is just impossible to stop, especially if the macroer is actually at the keyboard while doing it. This doesn't make it right, nor does it make it any less of a cheat.
I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.
I was going to buy an account yesterday, but I didn't play the f5 lottery, and by the time I found the store (took about 10 minutes) it was closed.
I would like to try Darkfall, although I'm hesitant on if I'd like to spend 50 bucks on a game that I'm not nearly as interested in as I was even 1 month ago. My biggest fear is spending 50 bucks on a game, and getting less than a days enjoyment out of it. From what I'm reading, it looks like it may not be all it's cracked up to be. From the Crazy fanboys telling me that only the worthy can play, to those who insist that the game had a "near flawless" launch. And the trolls who have never played the game talking about how bad the graphics are, and those who insist that any game is better.
I don't dare brave the Darkfall forums. I swear, the trash there is rampant. At least here, I may get both sides of extreme arguments to help me form an opinion on this game, where as on the Darkfall landfill, I'm only allowed to see postive reviews of the game. Is Darkfall worth the effort? Right now, I'd say no. Hell, one guy constantly talks about cheating in a video game to cheating in team/indvidual sports. Sorry, but the comparison isn't there. On the internet, you are anonymous, you aren't accountable for your actions. Also, your actions can directly affect the ability for someone else to play. If you cheat in golf, unless you kick/move their ball, then you are only affecting yourself, and not taking away a persons enjoyment to play.
No one Roleplayes in darkfall. Roleplaying is not hardcore. Darkfalls design has no support of roleplay. The games systems are not fun, so people automate this. You are confusing a RPG system, with roleplaying.
Everyone roleplays in Darkfall, as they are not Mahirim, Orks, or Dwarves in real life. The quality of their roleplaying is not a subject of conversation in this thread.
Obviously, the game system of Darkfall is fun for some people. For others it's not, so they attempt to bend the system to their desires. My point is simply that these people will eventually move on, which is why the Darkfall team is patiently allowing that to happen.
Your dissatisfaction with Darkfall at a stage so close to it's release suggests you might be someone who should move on, as well.
Originally posted by Random_mage Hell, one guy constantly talks about cheating in a video game to cheating in team/indvidual sports. Sorry, but the comparison isn't there. On the internet, you are anonymous, you aren't accountable for your actions. Also, your actions can directly affect the ability for someone else to play. If you cheat in golf, unless you kick/move their ball, then you are only affecting yourself, and not taking away a persons enjoyment to play.
Rationalization? No, its simply the truth, and why people are cheating/macroing. Wake up dude.
No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
Here we simply disagree. Cheating is cheating, as far as I am concerned.
I do not grind, I play the game. I enjoy the game immensely.
Macroing is not legit, it is just impossible to stop, especially if the macroer is actually at the keyboard while doing it. This doesn't make it right, nor does it make it any less of a cheat.
That's they way i play most games too. However, Atended macroing is allowed.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Rationalization? No, its simply the truth, and why people are cheating/macroing. Wake up dude.
No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
Here we simply disagree. Cheating is cheating, as far as I am concerned.
I do not grind, I play the game. I enjoy the game immensely.
Macroing is not legit, it is just impossible to stop, especially if the macroer is actually at the keyboard while doing it. This doesn't make it right, nor does it make it any less of a cheat.
That's they way i play most games too. However, Atended macroing is allowed.
Perhaps tolerated due to unenforceability would be a better term, though it is clearly viewed as cheating by the devs.
The funny thing is that I like the skill system. It allows me to really sculpt my toon. Perhaps others simply are trying to min-max to whatever they believe the FOTM happens to be, but I just play.
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So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
That would probably be due to a drop in people playing.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly. Many people think or hope that RPGs are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can. They aren't. They are about the story and the experience.
Darkfall was designed by a development team that understands the real appeal of roleplaying games. Grinders and cheaters will fall by the wayside, and Darkfall's release strategy is aimed at that happening.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
They cheat because they don't want, or possibly even know how, to play a roleplaying game correctly.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
Macros are cheating in Darkfall because there is no in game mechanic which macros. One must use a third party program to macro in Darkfall and third party programs are prohibited by the EULA. So yes, they are cheating.
However, as I have said, I do not macro, yet I am having a blast playing Darkfall.
Over time, my toon improves based on my own playstyle. I just do not feel the need to "get to 80" by tomorrow.
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
Macros are cheating in Darkfall because there is no in game mechanic which macros. One must use a third party program to macro in Darkfall and third party programs are prohibited by the EULA. So yes, they are cheating.
The great Taco himself seems to disagree with you.
----------
"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
So then they cheat because it isn't fun. Ok.
?
No, they cheat because they are cheaters.
Macros are not cheating, but are required because the skill system is not fun.
Macros are cheating in Darkfall because there is no in game mechanic which macros. One must use a third party program to macro in Darkfall and third party programs are prohibited by the EULA. So yes, they are cheating.
The great Taco himself seems to disagree with you.
Doubt it. Quote please.
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
This.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Again, you play the game legitmately, which is cool and great. But there aren't many like you.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
This.
is simply a another rationalization and another poor justification for cheating.
Nothing more.
I doubt they cheat because they don't know how to do it the legitimate way. If doing it the right way was rewarding enough to them through items, lore, exploration, or anything else, people would do it the right way. The problem is, you can spend 3 months legitimately shooting your mana missile at people, or spend 3 days shooting it in the air.
PVP Games are about getting as much as you can as fast as you can.
This.
is simply a another rationalization and another poor justification for cheating.
Nothing more.
Rationalization? No, its simply the truth, and why people are cheating/macroing. Wake up dude.
No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Im not justificating cheating at all. Cheating is wrong. This topic has nothing to do with the integrity of cheating.
Now that we got that out of the way... People cheat in Darkfall because Darkfall isn't fun.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Roleplaying PvP games are not.
I understand the desire to take the roleplaying part out, but Darkfall's game design doesn't agree with you.
Perhaps it isn't the game that is the problem, perhaps it's you.
Roleplaying PvP games are not.
I understand the desire to take the roleplaying part out, but Darkfall's game design doesn't agree with you.
Perhaps it isn't the game that is the problem, perhaps it's you.
No one Roleplayes in darkfall. Roleplaying is not hardcore.
Darkfalls design has no support of roleplay.
The games systems are not fun, so people automate this.
You are confusing a RPG system, with roleplaying.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
You can argue all day what the purpose the game was designed for. People play the game for their own reasons, which I'm not even going to start to list.
I totally disagree with you on what you think RP PVP games are all about. The words PVP simply make it "be the best" already.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
Here we simply disagree. Cheating is cheating, as far as I am concerned.
I do not grind, I play the game. I enjoy the game immensely.
Macroing is not legit, it is just impossible to stop, especially if the macroer is actually at the keyboard while doing it. This doesn't make it right, nor does it make it any less of a cheat.
I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.
Roleplaying PvP games are not.
I understand the desire to take the roleplaying part out, but Darkfall's game design doesn't agree with you.
Perhaps it isn't the game that is the problem, perhaps it's you.
No one Roleplayes in darkfall. Roleplaying is not hardcore.
Darkfalls design has no support of roleplay.
The games systems are not fun, so people automate this.
You are confusing a RPG system, with roleplaying.
My alliance has over 1500 members in it, atm. About 20% of those roleplay regularly. The rest do not.
I was going to buy an account yesterday, but I didn't play the f5 lottery, and by the time I found the store (took about 10 minutes) it was closed.
I would like to try Darkfall, although I'm hesitant on if I'd like to spend 50 bucks on a game that I'm not nearly as interested in as I was even 1 month ago. My biggest fear is spending 50 bucks on a game, and getting less than a days enjoyment out of it. From what I'm reading, it looks like it may not be all it's cracked up to be. From the Crazy fanboys telling me that only the worthy can play, to those who insist that the game had a "near flawless" launch. And the trolls who have never played the game talking about how bad the graphics are, and those who insist that any game is better.
I don't dare brave the Darkfall forums. I swear, the trash there is rampant. At least here, I may get both sides of extreme arguments to help me form an opinion on this game, where as on the Darkfall landfill, I'm only allowed to see postive reviews of the game. Is Darkfall worth the effort? Right now, I'd say no. Hell, one guy constantly talks about cheating in a video game to cheating in team/indvidual sports. Sorry, but the comparison isn't there. On the internet, you are anonymous, you aren't accountable for your actions. Also, your actions can directly affect the ability for someone else to play. If you cheat in golf, unless you kick/move their ball, then you are only affecting yourself, and not taking away a persons enjoyment to play.
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Everyone roleplays in Darkfall, as they are not Mahirim, Orks, or Dwarves in real life. The quality of their roleplaying is not a subject of conversation in this thread.
Obviously, the game system of Darkfall is fun for some people. For others it's not, so they attempt to bend the system to their desires. My point is simply that these people will eventually move on, which is why the Darkfall team is patiently allowing that to happen.
Your dissatisfaction with Darkfall at a stage so close to it's release suggests you might be someone who should move on, as well.
Sounds like an ethics issue to me.
What is your position on doping?
LOL!
He who keeps his cool best wins.
No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
Here we simply disagree. Cheating is cheating, as far as I am concerned.
I do not grind, I play the game. I enjoy the game immensely.
Macroing is not legit, it is just impossible to stop, especially if the macroer is actually at the keyboard while doing it. This doesn't make it right, nor does it make it any less of a cheat.
That's they way i play most games too. However, Atended macroing is allowed.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
In sports? And how does that compare to cheating in a video game again?
Currently playing Real Life..
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For all your stalking needs..
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No one would use macros is the system was fun. Period. Right now, its a soul crushing grind that only has rewards at 4 levels of advancement.
And to answer your other question, Attended macro uses is legit.
Here we simply disagree. Cheating is cheating, as far as I am concerned.
I do not grind, I play the game. I enjoy the game immensely.
Macroing is not legit, it is just impossible to stop, especially if the macroer is actually at the keyboard while doing it. This doesn't make it right, nor does it make it any less of a cheat.
That's they way i play most games too. However, Atended macroing is allowed.
Perhaps tolerated due to unenforceability would be a better term, though it is clearly viewed as cheating by the devs.
The funny thing is that I like the skill system. It allows me to really sculpt my toon. Perhaps others simply are trying to min-max to whatever they believe the FOTM happens to be, but I just play.