For example, last night about 10 guildies went out to try and find a mob that has a special ingredient used in the crafting of something that is for sieging. On our way there we killed two guys. We found some of the mobs killed them got the stuff but then a few scouts of another guild appeared and left. We knew their would be a bunch more coming so we left. Good thing too since we left just in time and they had twice our numbers. It was fun, but it was all about PvP.
I'm not going to read this whole thing because it looks like a train wreck.
That being said, your experience in this game will vary massively depending on what kind of company you associate with, be it your guild or friends. I think it would be fair to say that this game is much more group oriented than some of the other sandbox games, particularly in the PvE department. There are a lot of places with mobs that can be soloed, but you have to know where to find them. If you travel with 1 other person, the number of viable hunting grounds expands greatly and continues to do so with each additional person you bring along. For your own safety, you would probably want some company anyways.
As far as grinding goes, every MMORPG has grinds. If you spend all your days playing just grinding your skills and you burn out, that's the fault of your playstyle. This is not necessary to participate in activities and positively contribute. I probably do the least PvE out of most of the people in my guild. With the absence of experience points, mobs are merely a source of various resources, be it gold or crafting mats.
I am a good example of someone who does not spend a tremendous amount of time grinding skills and still is successful in terms of PvP in many situations I go into. My kill death ratio in game is somewhere are 90 kills and 9 deaths give or take (I'm at work so iI can't check my stats atm). The game gives a lot of flexibility to the player who fights smarter over the guy who has OCD about grinding his stats up. Now given, in a "fair" one on one fight with equal gear and no interference I would be at a disadvantage against a person who has, but PvP does not revolve around fair fights because it is very situational. As a melee person, my strength and vitality are both less than 25 because I focused on herb gathering intially, which boosts wisdom primarily. I am still able to win many of my encounters because I try to play smart.
OP you are definitely entitled to your opinion and that's fine. Sorry to hear the game was not for you or fit your playstyle, most of my guild is having a blast, but probably because we are all in company Good luck on finding a game that better suits what you are looking for.
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.
So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book. So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Yeah, because the website is the top priority. Your free to do a lot more in this game than a lot of other games.
not really fair---these guys are taking money from credit cards every month. They should have enough professionalism to spend 10 hours making a basic website.
its the IDEA that the beta site is still up. I can fire up a IIS /ASP.net webserver and an ultra shitty website that would look more professional then what AV has on their main page today.
Yes they're busy but they could contract out a web site admin if they so bothered.
Its that type of thing that makes me go HRRMMMMMM in a big way.
Yeah, because the website is the top priority. Your free to do a lot more in this game than a lot of other games.
The website is their product advertising , given european sales laws, its very high priority to NOT give out deliberatly misleading information on your product. Particularly a digital only one. I'm not saying they are con artists by the way, simply inept at running a business.
Still leaving a big gaping hole there for litigation though.
I'll give you something you can do in 99% of MMO's out there, that you cannot do in darkfall, and something I consider an essential in a game that is supposed to have a player driven economy.
Craft a bag full of products. Put them up for sale in the in game trade system. Log off.
I see people every day argue that having a trade center means 'carebear' on the official forums.
Its the most inane argument this side of 'Im rubber your glue' .
Without a viable trade system you will never, ever , have a viable player driven economy.
Nothing apart from the PvP mechanics in this game are complete , most are not even actually present in the game in any form at all, so the OP is correct.
And as I said in the Alfar thread, the PvP mechanics, the alignment system in particular, is so skewed towards encouraging ganking same race players with no risk , the game population will eat itself alive without any form of diversion.
not really fair---these guys are taking money from credit cards every month. They should have enough professionalism to spend 10 hours making a basic website. its the IDEA that the beta site is still up. I can fire up a IIS /ASP.net webserver and an ultra shitty website that would look more professional then what AV has on their main page today.
Yes they're busy but they could contract out a web site admin if they so bothered. Its that type of thing that makes me go HRRMMMMMM in a big way.
Don't get me wrong. It's shitty they don't fix something as simple as that. However, that does not detract from the actual game which is pretty good btw.
Yeah, because the website is the top priority. Your free to do a lot more in this game than a lot of other games.
Just keep giving us trolls ammo to shoot the fans down with. A company that doesn't care about its reputation is one which doesn't except to be around long.
Why don't they just make mmorpg where i pay my 50 bucks and pay 15 bucks a month where you appear in game at max level and skill. Then I can go to all the end game stuff on day 1. Then no game will ever have any kind of grinding again. Oh I also want all the best gear and magic too. Some dotted lines and way points would be nice too showing me where all the content is and in what order to do it. I also want all my npcs to have big signs over there head showing me how to get every quest. hmm come to think of it i don't want any death penalty at all.
Why don't they just make mmorpg where i pay my 50 bucks and pay 15 bucks a month where you appear in game at max level and skill. Then I can go to all the end game stuff on day 1. Then no game will ever have any kind of grinding again. Oh I also want all the best gear and magic too. Some dotted lines and way points would be nice too showing me where all the content is and in what order to do it. I also want all my npcs to have big signs over there head showing me how to get every quest. hmm come to think of it i don't want any death penalty at all. they should call it Fantasy Grand Adventure Theme Park lol give me a break
warning if this sounds good to you then don't play Darkfall
Your troll bait which makes the idea of WoW and all hard core games mutually exclusive from one another is a prime example of the flawed logic that I see every day on the DFO forums.
The deduction goes something like this:
Darkfall is the ultimate pvp game and if you dont like it you must want icons over everyone's heads, a quest tracker and other WoW features.
Guess what genius? You dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on your game features just because you implemented PvP.
A working UI, decent map system, chat system, some basic lore and content is not too much to ask.
I go back to my original thought a couple weeks ago, we need a new paradigm for Massive multiplayer games. Some people want thempark, somepeople want whatever the hell you call Darkfall, and some of us want a complete remake of Ultima Online circa 1999 ish in a full 3d engine.
It will happen some day, its not going to happen here.
Exactly. Go out in the world and E X P L O R E . That's what this game is about. There's a reason why it so easy to get a mount.
Warning this game is not a theme park with zones and instances where the game holds your hand and guides you to everything. They should put this warning on the intro screen.
You keep making comments that have nothing to do with the question posed to you. WSI mentioned the AI/PvE, and you bring up exploration? Exploration is not something that is exclusive to PvE or PvP.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
Your troll bait which makes the idea of WoW and all hard core games mutually exclusive from one another is a prime example of the flawed logic that I see every day on the DFO forums.
The deduction goes something like this:
Darkfall is the ultimate pvp game and if you dont like it you must want icons over everyone's heads, a quest tracker and other WoW features.
Guess what genius? You dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on your game features just because you implemented PvP.
A working UI, decent map system, chat system, some basic lore and content is not too much to ask.
I go back to my original thought a couple weeks ago, we need a new paradigm for Massive multiplayer games. Some people want thempark, somepeople want whatever the hell you call Darkfall, and some of us want a complete remake of Ultima Online circa 1999 ish in a full 3d engine.
It will happen some day, its not going to happen here.
I agree in part with what you are saying, however I disagree with what you say about the Darkfall UI. The UI is different and takes some getting used to, but it does work. The maps system definitley needs works but is only a placeholder (for how long though, who knows). Nothing is wrong with taking the best of certain things and using them in your game, as long as they don't contradict the essence of the game.
Darkfall is not the end all, be all of MMORPG. It's good, just not that everything for everybody.
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book. So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book. So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book. So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book. So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting for them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book. So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
Basically everything you just said is 100% wrong and does exist..you obviously don't play the game..
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting of them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
Basically everything you just said is 100% wrong and does exist..you obviously don't play the game..
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting of them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
If you think that, then you either do not play the game at all , or you are the worst player in MMO history.
NO ONE, I repeat , NO ONE in Darkfall carries anything valuable between cities. They put in a bank, run naked/ride to where they are going, then get it ouyt the bank again if they are trading it.
That isnt a trade route.
Its a way of avoiding so called 'hardcore' rules.
In fact, most gameplay in darkfall seems to revolve around avoiding any of the 'hardcore' penalties that are supposed to be the games attraction.
Global bank to keep your stuff, fighting naked, farming afkers for positive faction so you dont go red for ganking your own race.
I believe there is more to DF than PvP. HOwever, the PVE options are very limiited currently . This is a game for anyone who enjoys an 'against the world' mentality
I believe there is more to DF than PvP. HOwever, the PVE options are very limiited currently . This is a game for anyone who enjoys an 'against the world' mentality
It's not really that, it's just that all roads lead back to PvP...and imo there is nothing wrong with that.
Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book. So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting for them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
blah blah it proves nothing due to universal banking.
The more i read these threads the less hardcore darkfall sounds.
universal banking DESTROYS risk all together. why should i walk to another city with tons of expensive items when i can bank it. go naked. then get to my location and trade my loot. Avoiding risk does NOT = hardcore.
AV should take an example of eve , you bought somthing you have to pick it up, there is not STUPID universal banking. So if that item you have is lingering in a station located in lowsec or 0.0 space, your gonna have to be very good to retrive it. theres a huge risk you can lose the ship you have trying to get to that station, or worse yet. you got to the station picked up your item and NOw you have to escape the dangers .
That is NOT exsistant in darkfall. Goups of people can naked gank and get stuff. you can poor all your shit in a bank and travel to wherever you want without losing anything. Since there is no death penalties you can run nude to whereever you damn feel like it.
darkfall is just a shell of a game. It may be fun to those who play it yes but it can be much better.
if AV just shuts off universal banking youll then see how hardcore the game can be, but as long as it exsist its just carebear compared to eve .
big problem in these forums are those rabid fanboys spewing lies and crap about darkfall and what it really isnt. That website of theres needs to be updated even to the point that they can mentiion its on a limited release. it sucks to see how they use such a website to hype the uninformed. and then on top of that depend on rabid fanboys to hype the uninformed also .
The game is not appealing to the masses, that is a fact youll have to accept. there are many other games that are not appealing to the masses and have communities. Darkfall will have its community. it will just be a minor small one thats very vocal.
just gotta love how those rabid fanbois diss every other game in the market thinking they found a piece of gold in a pile of shit.
Except that AV/Tasos hyped the game's superior mob AI and claimed that PvE would be strong in the game and that it wouldn't only be PvP. And the die-hard fans rallied behind it, saying "anyone who thinks DF will be PvP only hasn't been paying attention. Tasos has said it will have strong PvE"
The hyped mob AI and such is what really had me interested in DF. The fact that it had open PvP as well (though I feared the type of people it would attract... and did), was a plus, since I enjoy PvP as well.
Of course, as soon as it became apparent PvE was near non-existent, the DF fans (yet again, true to character) changed their entire point-of-view, 180-degrees, to "This isn't a PvE game. This is only for hardcore PvP'ers. Go play your carebear WoW if you want to kill boars all day".
So.. DF as it exists now... y es... absolutely only viable if you're into chasing other players around.
DF as it was hyped for so long was a very different animal.
Click my link my above and it will show just that there is plenty of PVE. Darkfall is an extremely large world and they don't hold your hand guiding you to everything . If you want to find dungeons you actually have to go out exploring, put your life in danger and look. I am so tired of people whining about this.
Yes, I've seen the map. Yes I know the game has mobs.
That I brought up the topic of mob-AI *should* indicate that I realize there are mobs in DF.... at least for someone willing to think that deeply about it (which I know is a tall order for some DF fans here).
However, to iluminate the point for those who might not see the obvious connection...
In order to discuss "Mob AI" present, you need to know there are "Mobs" in the first place. Thus, that I discuss mob AI should indicate that I realize that there are mobs in the game.
So... to respond to a statement discussing how good the mob AI is by pointing to a map of mob distribution, and touting it as a "valid reply" is pretty ridiculous.
It's like going to a produce store and trying one of their apples. The apple isn't as ripe and sweet and juicy as the ad you read would lead you to believe, so you tell the owner. The owner becomes indignant and says "How can you say that? Look at all the apples I have!"
Obviously, the response in no way addresses my statement to them.
Though, again, I expect no different from some here by now.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
But there are tons of PvE in DF. Did just do a three hour PvE session with friends. We ended it when we reached orc land, we did a assault on the noob spawn area.....and forgot the gurd towers. It become quite a mess i must say.
But there are tons of PvE in DF. Did just do a three hour PvE session with friends. We ended it when we reached orc land, we did a assault on the noob spawn area.....and forgot the gurd towers. It become quite a mess i must say.
Well... Let me put up the white flag right now. You just won the entire thread with that incredibly detailed and breath-taking account of DF's extensive PvE content.
Yes, that was sarcasm.
It's another typically vague response from a DF fan.
What, exactly - in detail - did you do for that 3 hours that you feel constitutes "tons of PvE"?
Was attacking a newb spawn area (hardcore, man. -roll eyes-) and being attacked by guard towers the entirety of it, or the highlight of it?
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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OP is right though, everything leads back to PvP.
For example, last night about 10 guildies went out to try and find a mob that has a special ingredient used in the crafting of something that is for sieging. On our way there we killed two guys. We found some of the mobs killed them got the stuff but then a few scouts of another guild appeared and left. We knew their would be a bunch more coming so we left. Good thing too since we left just in time and they had twice our numbers. It was fun, but it was all about PvP.
I'm not going to read this whole thing because it looks like a train wreck.
That being said, your experience in this game will vary massively depending on what kind of company you associate with, be it your guild or friends. I think it would be fair to say that this game is much more group oriented than some of the other sandbox games, particularly in the PvE department. There are a lot of places with mobs that can be soloed, but you have to know where to find them. If you travel with 1 other person, the number of viable hunting grounds expands greatly and continues to do so with each additional person you bring along. For your own safety, you would probably want some company anyways.
As far as grinding goes, every MMORPG has grinds. If you spend all your days playing just grinding your skills and you burn out, that's the fault of your playstyle. This is not necessary to participate in activities and positively contribute. I probably do the least PvE out of most of the people in my guild. With the absence of experience points, mobs are merely a source of various resources, be it gold or crafting mats.
I am a good example of someone who does not spend a tremendous amount of time grinding skills and still is successful in terms of PvP in many situations I go into. My kill death ratio in game is somewhere are 90 kills and 9 deaths give or take (I'm at work so iI can't check my stats atm). The game gives a lot of flexibility to the player who fights smarter over the guy who has OCD about grinding his stats up. Now given, in a "fair" one on one fight with equal gear and no interference I would be at a disadvantage against a person who has, but PvP does not revolve around fair fights because it is very situational. As a melee person, my strength and vitality are both less than 25 because I focused on herb gathering intially, which boosts wisdom primarily. I am still able to win many of my encounters because I try to play smart.
OP you are definitely entitled to your opinion and that's fine. Sorry to hear the game was not for you or fit your playstyle, most of my guild is having a blast, but probably because we are all in company
Good luck on finding a game that better suits what you are looking for.
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Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.
Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox. Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination is not a sandbox ! If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.
So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.
But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !
Yeah, because the website is the top priority. Your free to do a lot more in this game than a lot of other games.
not really fair---these guys are taking money from credit cards every month. They should have enough professionalism to spend 10 hours making a basic website.
its the IDEA that the beta site is still up. I can fire up a IIS /ASP.net webserver and an ultra shitty website that would look more professional then what AV has on their main page today.
Yes they're busy but they could contract out a web site admin if they so bothered.
Its that type of thing that makes me go HRRMMMMMM in a big way.
Yeah, because the website is the top priority. Your free to do a lot more in this game than a lot of other games.
The website is their product advertising , given european sales laws, its very high priority to NOT give out deliberatly misleading information on your product. Particularly a digital only one. I'm not saying they are con artists by the way, simply inept at running a business.
Still leaving a big gaping hole there for litigation though.
I'll give you something you can do in 99% of MMO's out there, that you cannot do in darkfall, and something I consider an essential in a game that is supposed to have a player driven economy.
Craft a bag full of products. Put them up for sale in the in game trade system. Log off.
I see people every day argue that having a trade center means 'carebear' on the official forums.
Its the most inane argument this side of 'Im rubber your glue' .
Without a viable trade system you will never, ever , have a viable player driven economy.
Nothing apart from the PvP mechanics in this game are complete , most are not even actually present in the game in any form at all, so the OP is correct.
And as I said in the Alfar thread, the PvP mechanics, the alignment system in particular, is so skewed towards encouraging ganking same race players with no risk , the game population will eat itself alive without any form of diversion.
Don't get me wrong. It's shitty they don't fix something as simple as that. However, that does not detract from the actual game which is pretty good btw.
Yeah, because the website is the top priority. Your free to do a lot more in this game than a lot of other games.
Just keep giving us trolls ammo to shoot the fans down with. A company that doesn't care about its reputation is one which doesn't except to be around long.
Ah but I give away too much !
Tell me more of this game you speak of...
Your troll bait which makes the idea of WoW and all hard core games mutually exclusive from one another is a prime example of the flawed logic that I see every day on the DFO forums.
The deduction goes something like this:
Darkfall is the ultimate pvp game and if you dont like it you must want icons over everyone's heads, a quest tracker and other WoW features.
Guess what genius? You dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on your game features just because you implemented PvP.
A working UI, decent map system, chat system, some basic lore and content is not too much to ask.
I go back to my original thought a couple weeks ago, we need a new paradigm for Massive multiplayer games. Some people want thempark, somepeople want whatever the hell you call Darkfall, and some of us want a complete remake of Ultima Online circa 1999 ish in a full 3d engine.
It will happen some day, its not going to happen here.
You keep making comments that have nothing to do with the question posed to you. WSI mentioned the AI/PvE, and you bring up exploration? Exploration is not something that is exclusive to PvE or PvP.
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The deduction goes something like this:
Darkfall is the ultimate pvp game and if you dont like it you must want icons over everyone's heads, a quest tracker and other WoW features.
Guess what genius? You dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on your game features just because you implemented PvP.
A working UI, decent map system, chat system, some basic lore and content is not too much to ask.
I go back to my original thought a couple weeks ago, we need a new paradigm for Massive multiplayer games. Some people want thempark, somepeople want whatever the hell you call Darkfall, and some of us want a complete remake of Ultima Online circa 1999 ish in a full 3d engine.
It will happen some day, its not going to happen here.
I agree in part with what you are saying, however I disagree with what you say about the Darkfall UI. The UI is different and takes some getting used to, but it does work. The maps system definitley needs works but is only a placeholder (for how long though, who knows). Nothing is wrong with taking the best of certain things and using them in your game, as long as they don't contradict the essence of the game.
Darkfall is not the end all, be all of MMORPG. It's good, just not that everything for everybody.
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting for them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
Basically everything you just said is 100% wrong and does exist..you obviously don't play the game..
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting of them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
Did you quote me by mistake?
yup. sorry
Basically everything you just said is 100% wrong and does exist..you obviously don't play the game..
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting of them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
If you think that, then you either do not play the game at all , or you are the worst player in MMO history.
NO ONE, I repeat , NO ONE in Darkfall carries anything valuable between cities. They put in a bank, run naked/ride to where they are going, then get it ouyt the bank again if they are trading it.
That isnt a trade route.
Its a way of avoiding so called 'hardcore' rules.
In fact, most gameplay in darkfall seems to revolve around avoiding any of the 'hardcore' penalties that are supposed to be the games attraction.
Global bank to keep your stuff, fighting naked, farming afkers for positive faction so you dont go red for ganking your own race.
Thats what the games daily play is like.
I believe there is more to DF than PvP. HOwever, the PVE options are very limiited currently . This is a game for anyone who enjoys an 'against the world' mentality
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It's not really that, it's just that all roads lead back to PvP...and imo there is nothing wrong with that.
Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled
With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities. No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.
For a supposed revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)
I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.
Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks. Your preaching to the choir here.
In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War". It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist. I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting for them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.
blah blah it proves nothing due to universal banking.
The more i read these threads the less hardcore darkfall sounds.
universal banking DESTROYS risk all together. why should i walk to another city with tons of expensive items when i can bank it. go naked. then get to my location and trade my loot. Avoiding risk does NOT = hardcore.
AV should take an example of eve , you bought somthing you have to pick it up, there is not STUPID universal banking. So if that item you have is lingering in a station located in lowsec or 0.0 space, your gonna have to be very good to retrive it. theres a huge risk you can lose the ship you have trying to get to that station, or worse yet. you got to the station picked up your item and NOw you have to escape the dangers .
That is NOT exsistant in darkfall. Goups of people can naked gank and get stuff. you can poor all your shit in a bank and travel to wherever you want without losing anything. Since there is no death penalties you can run nude to whereever you damn feel like it.
darkfall is just a shell of a game. It may be fun to those who play it yes but it can be much better.
if AV just shuts off universal banking youll then see how hardcore the game can be, but as long as it exsist its just carebear compared to eve .
big problem in these forums are those rabid fanboys spewing lies and crap about darkfall and what it really isnt. That website of theres needs to be updated even to the point that they can mentiion its on a limited release. it sucks to see how they use such a website to hype the uninformed. and then on top of that depend on rabid fanboys to hype the uninformed also .
The game is not appealing to the masses, that is a fact youll have to accept. there are many other games that are not appealing to the masses and have communities. Darkfall will have its community. it will just be a minor small one thats very vocal.
just gotta love how those rabid fanbois diss every other game in the market thinking they found a piece of gold in a pile of shit.
Im going to sell you a dream.
Except that AV/Tasos hyped the game's superior mob AI and claimed that PvE would be strong in the game and that it wouldn't only be PvP. And the die-hard fans rallied behind it, saying "anyone who thinks DF will be PvP only hasn't been paying attention. Tasos has said it will have strong PvE"
The hyped mob AI and such is what really had me interested in DF. The fact that it had open PvP as well (though I feared the type of people it would attract... and did), was a plus, since I enjoy PvP as well.
Of course, as soon as it became apparent PvE was near non-existent, the DF fans (yet again, true to character) changed their entire point-of-view, 180-degrees, to "This isn't a PvE game. This is only for hardcore PvP'ers. Go play your carebear WoW if you want to kill boars all day".
So.. DF as it exists now... y es... absolutely only viable if you're into chasing other players around.
DF as it was hyped for so long was a very different animal.
Click my link my above and it will show just that there is plenty of PVE. Darkfall is an extremely large world and they don't hold your hand guiding you to everything . If you want to find dungeons you actually have to go out exploring, put your life in danger and look. I am so tired of people whining about this.
http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/misc.php?do=page&template=Darkfall_Map
Yes, I've seen the map. Yes I know the game has mobs.
That I brought up the topic of mob-AI *should* indicate that I realize there are mobs in DF.... at least for someone willing to think that deeply about it (which I know is a tall order for some DF fans here).
However, to iluminate the point for those who might not see the obvious connection...
In order to discuss "Mob AI" present, you need to know there are "Mobs" in the first place. Thus, that I discuss mob AI should indicate that I realize that there are mobs in the game.
So... to respond to a statement discussing how good the mob AI is by pointing to a map of mob distribution, and touting it as a "valid reply" is pretty ridiculous.
It's like going to a produce store and trying one of their apples. The apple isn't as ripe and sweet and juicy as the ad you read would lead you to believe, so you tell the owner. The owner becomes indignant and says "How can you say that? Look at all the apples I have!"
Obviously, the response in no way addresses my statement to them.
Though, again, I expect no different from some here by now.
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But there are tons of PvE in DF. Did just do a three hour PvE session with friends. We ended it when we reached orc land, we did a assault on the noob spawn area.....and forgot the gurd towers. It become quite a mess i must say.
Well... Let me put up the white flag right now. You just won the entire thread with that incredibly detailed and breath-taking account of DF's extensive PvE content.
Yes, that was sarcasm.
It's another typically vague response from a DF fan.
What, exactly - in detail - did you do for that 3 hours that you feel constitutes "tons of PvE"?
Was attacking a newb spawn area (hardcore, man. -roll eyes-) and being attacked by guard towers the entirety of it, or the highlight of it?
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