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What have they done to quest difficulty in Northrend?
altairzq
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I'm a holy priest, I'm used to soloing slowly and with difficulty. But now i have come back to WOW and started questing in Northrend, and it's so easy it's boring.
Yesterday it was too much, I soloed a yellow (I was 73) group quest for 3 players. WTF???... I couldn't even dream of doing that in BC.
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They also really buffed the damage of healing and tank specs.
The group quests are basically broken down into 3 man or 5 man. The 3 man ones are soloable if you know how to play your character. Most of the 5 man ones are not soloable, like the fight club in Zul Drak.
Below average players probably have a hard time with the 3person group quests, just like they have problems in dungeons
They stay easy like that all the way through 80. However, there are a few good quest chains available in WotLK. All of them are stupidly easy, but there is one in particular that has a fun ending (Horde/Alliance) and another that has a good story.
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Holy priests benefitted from the +damage/+healing merge into spellpower. So you're probably noticing that.
Do what I do, and do the quests a few levels higher than you - you won't run out of quests before 80 anyway.
The people crying for the lack of challenge are usually the ones doing their utmost to avoid it.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
The whole new expansion has been made a walk in the park area with hand out epics to anyone.
Everyone has the same gear and the difficulty of the game has disappeared. Only part that is left is arena and that has been scewed quite bad if you look at the class / spec balances of arena teams.
The tank that is born to tank!
Meh, just want the Loremaster title so not bothered.
you and others claiming its easy should link your mains with that undiying achievement and all the rest of the hard modes done.
ulduar will follow the same style, while it will be harder than naxx, normal modes will still be a lot easier than the optional hard modes. which is reflected in the loot. and btw, the hard modes are much harder from what ive seen on the ptr.
but yeah come back when youve got that armory link for us
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
you and others claiming its easy should link your mains with that undiying achievement and all the rest of the hard modes done.
ulduar will follow the same style, while it will be harder than naxx, normal modes will still be a lot easier than the optional hard modes. which is reflected in the loot. and btw, the hard modes are much harder from what ive seen on the ptr.
but yeah come back when youve got that armory link for us
I find your comment silly. The fact is that WotLK is much easier across the board than any of the previous WoW expansions - questing, 5-man dungeons, heroics and 10/25 man raids. From a business point of view I do believe this makes sense since most players just want to have fun and hard-core quests and encounters require more from the players than what the average joe think is fun. Personally, it makes the game less fun for me. In addition, I do not understand why there needs to be a conflict between hard quests, dungeons and raids and more casual content of the same type. Blizzard is making enough money to create really hard content at the same time as more casual content without just artificially adding achievements such as 'the nude' if you successfully tank Kel'Thuzad without armour.
To be honest - the OP does have some sort of point. I remember when I went to Howling Fjord for the first time. It was shortly after WotLK release, and the place was crawling with characters. At regular intervals the cry would come out "can someone help me with the group quest X" and, apart from a very small number of quests, the response "X can be soloed" could be guaranteed.
Then again - both the characters I've taken to the Fjord were 70s, one fully epicced, and the other in blues. So I'm not sure the quests would be quite so easy to solo if you started the Fjord at 68 in green gear.
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When the OP was talking about the previously poor soloing capability of his priest, I couldn't help remembering - wasn't it a pair of shadow priests who were the first to 2-man Onxyia at 70?
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You could do what I do now days in almost all MMO's FIGHT NEKKID! And it is so sad that that is what all mmo's are comming to nowdays. And the really sad part about it is it is Blizzard's fault . WOW has ruined the future of all mmo's that's why I have always steered clear of this garbage that is wow.
you keep thinking that, thats cute
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
I love it when people blame WoW and Blizzard for the fact that no other company can make a game worth playing. Makes me chuckle. Personally I blame WoW for global warming, the upcoming zombie invasion and the fact that the Easter bunny isnt real.
If you've always steered clear of it, how do you know it's garbage? Or did you just come here to repeat second hand rumours and prejudice?
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His comment is far from silly. And I would LOVE to see the avatars in the armory of those SUPER players.
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Most people who didn't achieve anything in Wotlk except for accepting world quests at 1 level below their avatar are actually the most silly whiners.
The good thing is that these guys make themselves ridiculous on the offical forums since they have to publish with their official lvl 80 avatars.
And of course there is NO achievement for tanking Kel'Tuzad tanking nude.
Again a LOW - with a plain lie - attempt at having a go at Wow as we are mostly used to see
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In fact the achievements are made with high quality programming: by having only a 1% of Raiders have those fantastic red and black dragons, they create a very good scaling achievement in the Raids.
I bet my head you don't have these red of black dragons either....
Sorry if I don't believe you are not playing an mmorpg to not achieve status symbols like those awesome mounts or cool titles which gives you far more than the next epic.
It IS so much more difficult to create 8 different scaled battles against one boss than create only ONE version of the same boss. (Sart with 0, 1, 2 , 3 dragons in both 10 and 25 men raid or doing the bosses without deads or downing the 4 horseman within 15 seonds).
Something WotLK will prolong in its next Raid instance the Ulduar.
By just publishing a plain lie in your post, you don't get much credibility in your evaluation of the game either...
I always had my doubts you play this game seriously as most of your posts are a "hear say" of the past 3 months and NEVER talk about actual gameplay from the last months. As it is always the case with these posts on Wow on this forum. Just look at the Pvp comments. The moment they get published here, the arena is the exact opposite of what some write here (patch 3.08/3.09 as an example).
Burst damage? Already replaced by healer domination. DPS Paladins ? Only 6% represented in today's stats in arena. So the moment guys citing these, IN the game you see sometimes the exact opposite of what Wow critics say.
At the moment WotLK is one big show off of the various achievements in the game AND their symbols. Making FAR more than a single focused Raid game it once was...... but you have to play it to see this of course.
Do not accuse me of lying. Instead do some homework and check what a parable is then read what I wrote again.
And once again you are missing the point: 1) That I believe that Blizzard has done the right business decision to focus on more casual content ("focus groups support that ...") but 2) That they have started to loose the more hard-core crowd since they seem inept at multitasking (creating content for both groups at the same time) AND 3) Achievements are even more synthetic goals than killing pixels on a screen.
And do you even believe in your own arguments? "It IS so much more difficult to create 8 different scaled battles against one boss than create only ONE version of the same boss." Funny way to completely miss the point. Why do you think Blizzard is creating 3 versions of the same fight instead of 3 different boss fights? Because it is harder to rehash the same content in three different ways or because it is harder to make three different boss fights (one easy, one medium and one hard)? Three versions of the same fight is just the lazy man's way of 'creating' content. End of story - even a 2-year old can understand that.
And you will probably get me wrong again. I put more pressure on a Company that earns the amount of money that Blizzard does in terms of content development. RIght now it has been plain bad given their turn-over. When I am optimistic I think that they are putting everything behind SC2, DiabloIII and the next MMO. When I am having a bad day I think that the cash-cow milkers of Vivendi has finally corrupted what is (was?) a brilliant games development team.
You don't get it. The way Blizzard is doing the 'hard modes' is not because they can't create all new content, it is because they don't WANT to create 'hardcore' only content. The biggest problem with vanilla WOW is that so much content was created for < 5% of the game's population. Remember raid2play? The majority of players were paying for content they were never going to see.
The hard modes are a way for Blizzard to allow almost everyone to see the 'content', but still allow difficult things for the more hardcore players.
If 95% of players never saw Sarth.. they would complain.. but because the normal version is doable by anyone.. everyone gets to see it, and those 95% of players aren't going to complain because they didn't 'see' the content with 3 drakes up... yet even the hardcore guilds on my server still struggle with 3 drakes.
My guild is the perfect example. We are happy because we've done sarth, and we've done Nax 10. If things were done like before, then my guild would probably still be only running heroics and would have never seen any raids.. and we'd be paying month after month to run heroics while the devs spent our money creating Ulduar which we would never see either.
Blizzard is being really smart, and well above any other game. They are spending their money creating content that almost all of their customers are enjoying, and still trying to add some hardcore modes.
Bryan: My point is - why is Blizzard not doing both given the amount of resources? I wrote in another post that AQ20 and AQ40 were perfect examples when things were done right (not discussing the graphical style). AQ20 was very accessible for guilds. AQ40 was quite easy when it came to the first half and then the difficulty ramped significantly. Content for everyone without diluting it either. In TBC Blizzard failed since for a very long time heroics were hard and Kara was the only more casual raid instance which stranded the casual players. Not until very late did they tune the raids to allow more casual guilds to access them and at the same time releasing Zul'Aman.
Maybe I am putting too much pressure on Blizzard but I cannot understand how it can be so hard to get a content release schedule right over the cycle of an expansion for the various player groups that enjoy the game.
Here is a quote from Ghostcrawler explaining normal / hard mode stuff and Blizzard's view on this subject:
You have a valid concern. However, we tried to come with an answer for that this time. If you want to see the content, go on normal mode. If you want a challenge, go on hard mode. If you complain that hard is too hard for you, then guess what… go back to normal mode. Previously the answer was basically “You aren’t worthy to face the end villain of this game you have invested hundreds of hours in,” which we thought was sort of a lame answer. Now you can see Arthas, but you aren’t going to get his best, most prestigious loot if you aren’t awesome.
I really don't see anything wrong with this, I am going to have loads of fun doing the hard mode achievements, fighting for World firsts with my guild. At the same time I am happy for other people that can't / don't want to commit as much time to the game as I do, because they can go there and experience the fights and lore of Ulduar as well. I raid for years, because I like it and it is fun for me, not because I want to act superior to other people on some MMO forums.
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still yet to see those filled out profiles showing how easy the game is. still probably working out how to use google to find a nice profile with it all done so they can show how 'easy' it is.
no really come on trolly trolls, where ya 100% done wow account, i thought you played the game, should know your armory says everything youve done now. so where the proof of how easy it is?
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
you mean wow isnt like eating a mcdonalds while listening to britney spears while watching the soulja boy video?
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
We have linked stats showing the trolls that not as many people have completed the hard modes and not as many people are clearing content as many think. However, the trolls don't believe stats because it totally contradicts their opinions and beliefs and they are so full of hate for WOW that they cannot bring themselves to see anything but their own arguments. Truly, hate of WOW is bordering on the hate for SOE for SWG - its almost at an unhealthy point for some people.
I agree - I would love to see someone's profile/armory link with complete Tier 7/7.5, 90% of achievements done, full top tier PVP set, professions maxed, top ranked in the arena, etc.....
WOW isn't as easy as people think - they only say its easy because they dumb the game down into one or two words (WOW only has raids; WOW is a grind) to try and make people who play it feel like less of a gamer. That's why everytime a troll appears with a post is always the same old argument and analogy.
WoW really IS as easy as everyone says, and as someone who has Three drake Sarth down I feel confident in saying that.
go ahead, armory me.
Sigman, Laughing Skull.
I quit WoW recently because it was too freaking dull, why?
Simple, they keep phasing out their endgame making it so that you only focus on one dungeon at a time every time new content out the old dungeons get phased out and made to be ENTIRELY useless.
This is not fun.
3 drakes, voidwalker or normal? cba to actually armory you right now, dps? If you are a tank and say its easy then props. but the question is, with SO many people claiming its easy, why did it take so long for someone to come forwards with a complete armory
btw what you described, the phased release, its always been that way so why get upset only now?
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
I like how you immediately try to make my "achievements" seem weak and find excuses.
I tanked it, and I've DPSed it.
If you armored me, which you should have before opening your mouth, you'd see I'm currently a Ret Paladin.
I'm guessing you didn't Play burning crusade because then you wouldn't have parroted in with your comments you should have thought about Karazhan and SSC and TK and MH and BT and Sunwell and then realized your entirely wrong.
When you did Kara back at 70 there was STILL BENEFIT, you got badges of justice and you could buy things worth money using them to sell them on the AH, like Gems.
You could buy gear that was above Karazhan level with your Badges too! So that way your new friends who just got to 70 could get geared up to ACTUALLY play with you.
In Wrath they screwed up and made it so that there are NEW TIERS OF BADGES WITH EACH NEW CONTENT PATCH!
How lame, how useless, what a waste of time.
Now it takes a much much longer time for people who just get to 80 to be able to play the new raids, I've seen many people post on the forums saying they get to 80 and can't get into ANYTHING.
Yep, Bilzzard ruined Wrath.