What the heck! Where are all the popular, and memorable neutral star wars icons that Ive been waiting to play this whole time. Thats so lame, I cant believe theyre depriving me of the neutral experience that ive longed to be a part of ever since I first became a star wars fan as a young lad. I knew sincethe first time I ever saw star wars i wanted to live the galactic life of a star wars cantina dancer. Cantina hookers arent prejudice against good or evil, as long as you have credits we'll take a shot in the mouth no matter who you are.
I don't think it will be clean cut at all.. I'm sure if you're a republic person going down a dark path.. You aren't going to be republic anymore. As in, you will start getting quests from sith quest givers, start fighting republic players, etc. Just my opinion, but if that's how it is, there will be a gray area, and a player determined to be gray could milk that for all it's worth. One thing is for sure though, they would NOT remove "gray" choices from character development. There were always choices in the KotOR games that did not affect alignment, and removing them would kill a good part of the game. They have already said many times this is a story driven game.
I don't think it will be clean cut at all.. I'm sure if you're a republic person going down a dark path.. You aren't going to be republic anymore. As in, you will start getting quests from sith quest givers, start fighting republic players, etc. Just my opinion, but if that's how it is, there will be a gray area, and a player determined to be gray could milk that for all it's worth. One thing is for sure though, they would NOT remove "gray" choices from character development. There were always choices in the KotOR games that did not affect alignment, and removing them would kill a good part of the game. They have already said many times this is a story driven game.
You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
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I don't think it will be clean cut at all.. I'm sure if you're a republic person going down a dark path.. You aren't going to be republic anymore. As in, you will start getting quests from sith quest givers, start fighting republic players, etc. Just my opinion, but if that's how it is, there will be a gray area, and a player determined to be gray could milk that for all it's worth. One thing is for sure though, they would NOT remove "gray" choices from character development. There were always choices in the KotOR games that did not affect alignment, and removing them would kill a good part of the game. They have already said many times this is a story driven game.
You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
I've already written this game off anyway. It's going to be a shallow "story driven" themepark game that will bore everyone but the most easily occupied gamers within a few months. It's a relic of a game style that people have played to death over the last 5 years, and it will feel like more of the same.
There are more interesting games coming down the development road, so if ToR is looking more and more like an mmo for WoW players to you, you might as well move on now rather than torture yourselves by expecting more out of this game.
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lol goodies vs badies is actually more starwarsish than wowish.
star wars was always good vs bad, while warcraft (well atleast reign of chaos+frozen throne - games that had real storyline) had sides changing all the time, traitors in every step etc.
thus ... in fact wow should have had more than two sides.
good vs bad fits star wars perfectly.
besides... wow is not good vs bad. if you followed story atleast slightly you would know that there most of arrogant douches are in the roots of alliance - humans. horde was never evil.
I don't see the issue here. So it's not the OPs preference. I am absolutely fine with two factions. I prefer it. It's easier from a balance standpoint not to have unofficial alliances between two or more factions.
SWG neutral faction was more of an idle transitional phase more than an actual faction anyways. Most of the other factions were actually NPC factions like the Hutts, ect and you could not be one of those. Pretty much unless you didn’t want to do anything in the game but craft and not be bothered, you would be forced to take a side. Neutral just isn’t a real faction unless you did nothing in the game at all, you were always either directed to be either Rebel or Imperial. It was hard to avoid getting some sort of negative factional standing with an NPC factions since some of them attacked you no mater what.
It is really hard to do 3 real factions in any MMO. I know RF Online did it, but there were massive balance issues. You could add 50 factions to TOR, but they will almost always be aligned with one major faction or another, if they are not than they are not part of the story until they chose a side. Even the crime lords were loosely aligned with a faction of some sort. It’s pretty much the way it’s always been in Star Wars.
I don't think it will be clean cut at all.. I'm sure if you're a republic person going down a dark path.. You aren't going to be republic anymore. As in, you will start getting quests from sith quest givers, start fighting republic players, etc. Just my opinion, but if that's how it is, there will be a gray area, and a player determined to be gray could milk that for all it's worth. One thing is for sure though, they would NOT remove "gray" choices from character development. There were always choices in the KotOR games that did not affect alignment, and removing them would kill a good part of the game. They have already said many times this is a story driven game.
You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
Once again, for clarification(did you read my post), I am well aware that people will be able to dictate their force alignment however they please. That isn't what this is about. We are talking about "Gray" faction wise, not force wise. There is a difference.
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...and just have goodies vs baddies. team A vs team B, how lame. this game is gona suck ass. I was very glad to hear about a kotor mmo, dream IP for a dream game. but now I'd rather they where making singleplayer kotor 3. Bioware: "This was Star Wars™, not Star Neutral Guy’s Adventure." What a moron.
Because wow invented team A vs. team B. amirite?
Did you ever think about the time and money it would take to implement nuetral story lines? Really how exciting would a nuetral story line be anyways? Seriously, being neutral is just like being agnostic and serves no purpose.
lol goodies vs badies is actually more starwarsish than wowish. star wars was always good vs bad, while warcraft (well atleast reign of chaos+frozen throne - games that had real storyline) had sides changing all the time, traitors in every step etc. thus ... in fact wow should have had more than two sides. good vs bad fits star wars perfectly.
I'm not really sure how you came to this logical conclusion.
Star Wars had plenty of grey in it... Yes the main focus was on Rebel Alliance Vs. Empire. Yet there were plenty of references to those that worked for either side... no side... the most money etc
That said... in any game with PvP I think a third faction just screws things up.
I know a lot of people loved the 3rd faction in DAoC. I just saw it as something that continually caused stalemates or killed the action that almost happened that night.
Just my opinion obviously.
Anyway rather than claim this is how Star Wars worked or was presented... I would just say it makes the most sense
What the heck! Where are all the popular, and memorable neutral star wars icons that Ive been waiting to play this whole time. Thats so lame, I cant believe theyre depriving me of the neutral experience that ive longed to be a part of ever since I first became a star wars fan as a young lad. I knew sincethe first time I ever saw star wars i wanted to live the galactic life of a star wars cantina dancer. Cantina hookers arent prejudice against good or evil, as long as you have credits we'll take a shot in the mouth no matter who you are.
What the heck! I always wanted my MMOs to be single player games with chat boxes! Hell, get rid of the chat boxes, charge me money, and we have a deal! I love being the same exact character as everyone else. I wish they would just rename this game Luke Skywalker Online because I think that's what every MMO fan actually wants. I'm so glad that they'll let me be a hero without actually doing anything, because I don't want to exert any creative effort at all to actually be a hero. Hell, it would be a dream come true if when I put in my credit card and login, I'm just watching the Star Wars movies, with one twist: I can log back in anytime and rewatch everything that I already watched!
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I don't think it will be clean cut at all.. I'm sure if you're a republic person going down a dark path.. You aren't going to be republic anymore. As in, you will start getting quests from sith quest givers, start fighting republic players, etc. Just my opinion, but if that's how it is, there will be a gray area, and a player determined to be gray could milk that for all it's worth. One thing is for sure though, they would NOT remove "gray" choices from character development. There were always choices in the KotOR games that did not affect alignment, and removing them would kill a good part of the game. They have already said many times this is a story driven game.
You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
Once again, for clarification(did you read my post), I am well aware that people will be able to dictate their force alignment however they please. That isn't what this is about. We are talking about "Gray" faction wise, not force wise. There is a difference.
Gray isn’t a faction on its own though, they are usually loosely aligned with one or the other major faction. You can leave the war, go to the outer rim and never talk to another person again I guess but you may find yourself swept back up in it sooner or later like Jolee Bindo in KOTOR .
Even smaller factions have some tie into a major faction unless they are to far from the conflicts to be bothered, in which case they are not apart of the story until they take a side. Heck even playing both sides you are a part of one faction even though you are playing both sides. That’s what it sounds like you can do in TOR, play sides if you choose. You just can’t be mister neutral guy who does nothing else but hunt Womp Rats all day. You could hunt Jabba thugs, but once again you are aligning yourself with another faction ultimately leading to ties with the Rebellion (in SWG) whether you are meaning to or not. If you are having a hard time picking a side in TOR let the story take you were you fit in. Start out as Sith and see what happens as you make choices within your story.
Lets face it, being and staying neutral is not really part of the over all arching story within the Star Wars universe. Eventually you make an entrance into the conflict even if you spent years fighting off both sides. No need to fight all sides. If you got a problem with that take it up with George Lucas himself.
I don't think it will be clean cut at all.. I'm sure if you're a republic person going down a dark path.. You aren't going to be republic anymore. As in, you will start getting quests from sith quest givers, start fighting republic players, etc. Just my opinion, but if that's how it is, there will be a gray area, and a player determined to be gray could milk that for all it's worth. One thing is for sure though, they would NOT remove "gray" choices from character development. There were always choices in the KotOR games that did not affect alignment, and removing them would kill a good part of the game. They have already said many times this is a story driven game.
You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
Once again, for clarification(did you read my post), I am well aware that people will be able to dictate their force alignment however they please. That isn't what this is about. We are talking about "Gray" faction wise, not force wise. There is a difference.
Gray isn’t a faction on its own though, they are usually loosely aligned with one or the other major faction. You can leave the war, go to the outer rim and never talk to another person again I guess but you may find yourself swept back up in it sooner or later like Jolee Bindo in KOTOR .
Even smaller factions have some tie into a major faction unless they are to far from the conflicts to be bothered, in which case they are not apart of the story until they take a side. Heck even playing both sides you are a part of one faction even though you are playing both sides. That’s what it sounds like you can do in TOR, play sides if you choose. You just can’t be mister neutral guy who does nothing else but hunt Womp Rats all day. You could hunt Jabba thugs, but once again you are aligning yourself with another faction ultimately leading to ties with the Rebellion (in SWG) whether you are meaning to or not. If you are having a hard time picking a side in TOR let the story take you were you fit in. Start out as Sith and see what happens as you make choices within your story.
Lets face it, being and staying neutral is not really part of the over all arching story within the Star Wars universe. Eventually you make an entrance into the conflict even if you spent years fighting off both sides. No need to fight all sides. If you got a problem with that take it up with George Lucas himself.
Being "Gray" isn't a faction, its a state of being. You can be a selfish character that only see's $$ when looking at the war, and have no other obligations towards it. Maybe you do some work for the Republic because they are paying a lot, then you do some work for the Sith because they happen to be paying well too. Eventually you may find you are doing more work for one side, but that is exactly the point of being a neutral character, you do what serves you best, and if you get tied in with someone so be it(like Han got tied into the Rebellion, while Boba helped out the imperials but still stayed neutral).
Being neutral is a very big part of the over all arching story in Star Wars, just not the main characters in the movies. You are more looking for a game version of the movies, while I am looking for a game in the universe the movies took place.
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I was thinking about that before, when they announced bounty hunter class. I want to play as a bounty hunter but i dont want stick to any side. Dont want to be good or bad, i want have choice for who i work and be able to switch side if i want. Want be good - choose jedi, want be bad - choose sith, want money, fame and womens - choose bounty hunter
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I was thinking about that before, when they announced bounty hunter class. I want to play as a bounty hunter but i dont want stick to any side. Dont want to be good or bad, i want have choice for who i work and be able to switch side if i want. Want be good - choose jedi, want be bad - choose sith, want money, fame and womens - choose bounty hunter
Exactly. A lot of times Bounty Hunters don't have any particular loyalties to a faction, only to those that are paying them the most. So even though a person may not have any loyalties to a faction, they are forced to join one, and are limited to only hunting the other faction? That doesn't make sense at all to me.
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...and just have goodies vs baddies. team A vs team B, how lame. this game is gona suck ass. I was very glad to hear about a kotor mmo, dream IP for a dream game. but now I'd rather they where making singleplayer kotor 3. Bioware: "This was Star Wars™, not Star Neutral Guy’s Adventure." What a moron.
Dude, this is exactly how the movies are.
And I know some WoW kiddies will disagree with my next statement in flames and tears, but I believe Star Wars is bigger and more recognizable than WoW will ever dream to me......lol
Maybe not in the MMO market just yet, but definitely outside of it, and the WoW movie will never surpass SW movie franchise in fame..nor Lotr...or win an academy award for that matter.
Now watch all the WoW kiddies flame away into tears....lol
Anyways like I said, the movies were like that, why do you expect the games won't be huh? It's set up in the traditional setting of good vs. evil.....I mean have you even seen any of the SW episodes yet?
lol
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Now that I had a chance to read a lot of the other responses it's obvious this is common knowledge...sooo yeahh....the OP really has no clue to what he's talking about...lol
Copying elements from the most successful MMO out there? For shame, BioWare. No business sense, I tells ya.
All kidding aside- I hardly think 2 factions duplicates WoW specifically. I would say it copies Spy versus Spy. Team Fortress. CounterStrike. The Cold War. The half moon cookie.
BioWare, those friggin' posers! :P
yea god forbid they copy a successful game model
there's a reason why wow has so many subscribers
because when it comes down to it... the game is actually fun in the end despite how simple it is
I was thinking about that before, when they announced bounty hunter class. I want to play as a bounty hunter but i dont want stick to any side. Dont want to be good or bad, i want have choice for who i work and be able to switch side if i want. Want be good - choose jedi, want be bad - choose sith, want money, fame and womens - choose bounty hunter
Exactly. A lot of times Bounty Hunters don't have any particular loyalties to a faction, only to those that are paying them the most. So even though a person may not have any loyalties to a faction, they are forced to join one, and are limited to only hunting the other faction? That doesn't make sense at all to me.
Bottom line is Bounty Hunters in George Lucas' universe are Imperial aligned (hence the Imperial faction symbol
what takes place in EU isn't of concern to him. BioWare just chose to follow that part of the canon by making them bad guys. Honestly I love EU I've read about 60 Star Wars books (like The Bounty Hunter Wars), but GL only allows this lore for it's artistic expression, not for it's connection to his lore. Some things he has taken from novels for the his movies, most he doesn't. I imagine BW is following canon a bit more to impress Lucas enough with not breaking away from canon in hopes he may some day tell their story on the big screen. You may not like it, but it is what it is.
...and just have goodies vs baddies. team A vs team B, how lame. this game is gona suck ass. I was very glad to hear about a kotor mmo, dream IP for a dream game. but now I'd rather they where making singleplayer kotor 3. Bioware: "This was Star Wars™, not Star Neutral Guy’s Adventure." What a moron.
Dude, this is exactly how the movies are.
And I know some WoW kiddies will disagree with my next statement in flames and tears, but I believe Star Wars is bigger and more recognizable than WoW will ever dream to me......lol
Maybe not in the MMO market just yet, but definitely outside of it, and the WoW movie will never surpass SW movie franchise in fame..nor Lotr...or win an academy award for that matter.
Now watch all the WoW kiddies flame away into tears....lol
Anyways like I said, the movies were like that, why do you expect the games won't be huh? It's set up in the traditional setting of good vs. evil.....I mean have you even seen any of the SW episodes yet?
lol
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Now that I had a chance to read a lot of the other responses it's obvious this is common knowledge...sooo yeahh....the OP really has no clue to what he's talking about...lol
So, you want your GAME to be the same as a MOVIE?
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...and just have goodies vs baddies. team A vs team B, how lame. this game is gona suck ass. I was very glad to hear about a kotor mmo, dream IP for a dream game. but now I'd rather they where making singleplayer kotor 3. Bioware: "This was Star Wars™, not Star Neutral Guy’s Adventure." What a moron.
Dude, this is exactly how the movies are.
And I know some WoW kiddies will disagree with my next statement in flames and tears, but I believe Star Wars is bigger and more recognizable than WoW will ever dream to me......lol
Maybe not in the MMO market just yet, but definitely outside of it, and the WoW movie will never surpass SW movie franchise in fame..nor Lotr...or win an academy award for that matter.
Now watch all the WoW kiddies flame away into tears....lol
Anyways like I said, the movies were like that, why do you expect the games won't be huh? It's set up in the traditional setting of good vs. evil.....I mean have you even seen any of the SW episodes yet?
lol
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Now that I had a chance to read a lot of the other responses it's obvious this is common knowledge...sooo yeahh....the OP really has no clue to what he's talking about...lol
So, you want your GAME to be the same as a MOVIE?
He named one attribute from the movies "good vs evil" (I guess this means its all just like the movies!). So why was this asked if it's clear he wants this feature?
What the heck! Where are all the popular, and memorable neutral star wars icons that Ive been waiting to play this whole time. Thats so lame, I cant believe theyre depriving me of the neutral experience that ive longed to be a part of ever since I first became a star wars fan as a young lad. I knew sincethe first time I ever saw star wars i wanted to live the galactic life of a star wars cantina dancer. Cantina hookers arent prejudice against good or evil, as long as you have credits we'll take a shot in the mouth no matter who you are.
What the heck! I always wanted my MMOs to be single player games with chat boxes! Hell, get rid of the chat boxes, charge me money, and we have a deal! I love being the same exact character as everyone else. I wish they would just rename this game Luke Skywalker Online because I think that's what every MMO fan actually wants. I'm so glad that they'll let me be a hero without actually doing anything, because I don't want to exert any creative effort at all to actually be a hero. Hell, it would be a dream come true if when I put in my credit card and login, I'm just watching the Star Wars movies, with one twist: I can log back in anytime and rewatch everything that I already watched!
Thats too bad this game will be nothing like that especially the part where it will be exactly like watching the movies, because the story is a totally different one. I still have high hopes though that one day I'll travel the galaxy as a neutral hero, just like all the ones we've seen in the star wars movies. Like the infamous twilek dancer at Jabbas. It will make a fantastic story based off characters that do not exist in its premise. I wonder why those neutral heroes never existed in the movies? Maybe because they are the least interesting, least appealing, and most misplaced in a movie based on civil war. Even gray jedi have affiliation...
Since when there is a third faction is Star wars? do people even think before they post. Every game now days is compared to WOW, this is like a contagious disease which effects only retards for some reason.
The easiest way to spot them is to spot posts like OP made.
...and just have goodies vs baddies. team A vs team B, how lame. this game is gona suck ass. I was very glad to hear about a kotor mmo, dream IP for a dream game. but now I'd rather they where making singleplayer kotor 3. Bioware: "This was Star Wars™, not Star Neutral Guy’s Adventure." What a moron.
As long as it doesnt deal with Uncle Owen this time, I dont think it will matter what they do. It will be a smash hit.
Do try and turn down the fanboi neurosis will you? No-one know what the game will be until it's launched.
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What the heck! Where are all the popular, and memorable neutral star wars icons that Ive been waiting to play this whole time. Thats so lame, I cant believe theyre depriving me of the neutral experience that ive longed to be a part of ever since I first became a star wars fan as a young lad. I knew sincethe first time I ever saw star wars i wanted to live the galactic life of a star wars cantina dancer. Cantina hookers arent prejudice against good or evil, as long as you have credits we'll take a shot in the mouth no matter who you are.
I don't think it will be clean cut at all.. I'm sure if you're a republic person going down a dark path.. You aren't going to be republic anymore. As in, you will start getting quests from sith quest givers, start fighting republic players, etc. Just my opinion, but if that's how it is, there will be a gray area, and a player determined to be gray could milk that for all it's worth. One thing is for sure though, they would NOT remove "gray" choices from character development. There were always choices in the KotOR games that did not affect alignment, and removing them would kill a good part of the game. They have already said many times this is a story driven game.
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You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
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You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
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I've already written this game off anyway. It's going to be a shallow "story driven" themepark game that will bore everyone but the most easily occupied gamers within a few months. It's a relic of a game style that people have played to death over the last 5 years, and it will feel like more of the same.
There are more interesting games coming down the development road, so if ToR is looking more and more like an mmo for WoW players to you, you might as well move on now rather than torture yourselves by expecting more out of this game.
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lol goodies vs badies is actually more starwarsish than wowish.
star wars was always good vs bad, while warcraft (well atleast reign of chaos+frozen throne - games that had real storyline) had sides changing all the time, traitors in every step etc.
thus ... in fact wow should have had more than two sides.
good vs bad fits star wars perfectly.
besides... wow is not good vs bad. if you followed story atleast slightly you would know that there most of arrogant douches are in the roots of alliance - humans. horde was never evil.
I don't see the issue here. So it's not the OPs preference. I am absolutely fine with two factions. I prefer it. It's easier from a balance standpoint not to have unofficial alliances between two or more factions.
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SWG neutral faction was more of an idle transitional phase more than an actual faction anyways. Most of the other factions were actually NPC factions like the Hutts, ect and you could not be one of those. Pretty much unless you didn’t want to do anything in the game but craft and not be bothered, you would be forced to take a side. Neutral just isn’t a real faction unless you did nothing in the game at all, you were always either directed to be either Rebel or Imperial. It was hard to avoid getting some sort of negative factional standing with an NPC factions since some of them attacked you no mater what.
It is really hard to do 3 real factions in any MMO. I know RF Online did it, but there were massive balance issues. You could add 50 factions to TOR, but they will almost always be aligned with one major faction or another, if they are not than they are not part of the story until they chose a side. Even the crime lords were loosely aligned with a faction of some sort. It’s pretty much the way it’s always been in Star Wars.
You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
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Once again, for clarification(did you read my post), I am well aware that people will be able to dictate their force alignment however they please. That isn't what this is about. We are talking about "Gray" faction wise, not force wise. There is a difference.
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Because wow invented team A vs. team B. amirite?
Did you ever think about the time and money it would take to implement nuetral story lines? Really how exciting would a nuetral story line be anyways? Seriously, being neutral is just like being agnostic and serves no purpose.
I'm not really sure how you came to this logical conclusion.
Star Wars had plenty of grey in it... Yes the main focus was on Rebel Alliance Vs. Empire. Yet there were plenty of references to those that worked for either side... no side... the most money etc
That said... in any game with PvP I think a third faction just screws things up.
I know a lot of people loved the 3rd faction in DAoC. I just saw it as something that continually caused stalemates or killed the action that almost happened that night.
Just my opinion obviously.
Anyway rather than claim this is how Star Wars worked or was presented... I would just say it makes the most sense
What the heck! I always wanted my MMOs to be single player games with chat boxes! Hell, get rid of the chat boxes, charge me money, and we have a deal! I love being the same exact character as everyone else. I wish they would just rename this game Luke Skywalker Online because I think that's what every MMO fan actually wants. I'm so glad that they'll let me be a hero without actually doing anything, because I don't want to exert any creative effort at all to actually be a hero. Hell, it would be a dream come true if when I put in my credit card and login, I'm just watching the Star Wars movies, with one twist: I can log back in anytime and rewatch everything that I already watched!
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You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
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Once again, for clarification(did you read my post), I am well aware that people will be able to dictate their force alignment however they please. That isn't what this is about. We are talking about "Gray" faction wise, not force wise. There is a difference.
Gray isn’t a faction on its own though, they are usually loosely aligned with one or the other major faction. You can leave the war, go to the outer rim and never talk to another person again I guess but you may find yourself swept back up in it sooner or later like Jolee Bindo in KOTOR .
Even smaller factions have some tie into a major faction unless they are to far from the conflicts to be bothered, in which case they are not apart of the story until they take a side. Heck even playing both sides you are a part of one faction even though you are playing both sides. That’s what it sounds like you can do in TOR, play sides if you choose. You just can’t be mister neutral guy who does nothing else but hunt Womp Rats all day. You could hunt Jabba thugs, but once again you are aligning yourself with another faction ultimately leading to ties with the Rebellion (in SWG) whether you are meaning to or not. If you are having a hard time picking a side in TOR let the story take you were you fit in. Start out as Sith and see what happens as you make choices within your story.
Lets face it, being and staying neutral is not really part of the over all arching story within the Star Wars universe. Eventually you make an entrance into the conflict even if you spent years fighting off both sides. No need to fight all sides. If you got a problem with that take it up with George Lucas himself.
You are trying to prove what Bioware themselves have said as wrong based on your own personal opinion? They have already said you can be a Republic member that uses the dark side, and a Sith member that uses the light side. This thread is also about them saying that there is NO neutral faction, so there is no gray when it comes to factions.
Umm hey, re-read this
The Dark Side and the Light Side are also going to be a big part of the game. You're going to be making decisions in your stories that are going to be bringing you towards the Light Side or the Dark Side. You can also try to go down a more "gray" path, much like Qui-Gon Jinn. All of those paths are acceptable paths in which you work to travel down. I don't think we've really seen that sort of system in an MMO before.
www.tentonhammer.com/node/47133
Once again, for clarification(did you read my post), I am well aware that people will be able to dictate their force alignment however they please. That isn't what this is about. We are talking about "Gray" faction wise, not force wise. There is a difference.
Gray isn’t a faction on its own though, they are usually loosely aligned with one or the other major faction. You can leave the war, go to the outer rim and never talk to another person again I guess but you may find yourself swept back up in it sooner or later like Jolee Bindo in KOTOR .
Even smaller factions have some tie into a major faction unless they are to far from the conflicts to be bothered, in which case they are not apart of the story until they take a side. Heck even playing both sides you are a part of one faction even though you are playing both sides. That’s what it sounds like you can do in TOR, play sides if you choose. You just can’t be mister neutral guy who does nothing else but hunt Womp Rats all day. You could hunt Jabba thugs, but once again you are aligning yourself with another faction ultimately leading to ties with the Rebellion (in SWG) whether you are meaning to or not. If you are having a hard time picking a side in TOR let the story take you were you fit in. Start out as Sith and see what happens as you make choices within your story.
Lets face it, being and staying neutral is not really part of the over all arching story within the Star Wars universe. Eventually you make an entrance into the conflict even if you spent years fighting off both sides. No need to fight all sides. If you got a problem with that take it up with George Lucas himself.
Being "Gray" isn't a faction, its a state of being. You can be a selfish character that only see's $$ when looking at the war, and have no other obligations towards it. Maybe you do some work for the Republic because they are paying a lot, then you do some work for the Sith because they happen to be paying well too. Eventually you may find you are doing more work for one side, but that is exactly the point of being a neutral character, you do what serves you best, and if you get tied in with someone so be it(like Han got tied into the Rebellion, while Boba helped out the imperials but still stayed neutral).
Being neutral is a very big part of the over all arching story in Star Wars, just not the main characters in the movies. You are more looking for a game version of the movies, while I am looking for a game in the universe the movies took place.
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I was thinking about that before, when they announced bounty hunter class. I want to play as a bounty hunter but i dont want stick to any side. Dont want to be good or bad, i want have choice for who i work and be able to switch side if i want. Want be good - choose jedi, want be bad - choose sith, want money, fame and womens - choose bounty hunter
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P.S. If you're going to leap into the personal attacks some more because you have trouble following arguments, you might as well get it right: my intoxicant of choice is alcohol and I only waste time here when surfing internet porn gets boring.....
Exactly. A lot of times Bounty Hunters don't have any particular loyalties to a faction, only to those that are paying them the most. So even though a person may not have any loyalties to a faction, they are forced to join one, and are limited to only hunting the other faction? That doesn't make sense at all to me.
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Dude, this is exactly how the movies are.
And I know some WoW kiddies will disagree with my next statement in flames and tears, but I believe Star Wars is bigger and more recognizable than WoW will ever dream to me......lol
Maybe not in the MMO market just yet, but definitely outside of it, and the WoW movie will never surpass SW movie franchise in fame..nor Lotr...or win an academy award for that matter.
Now watch all the WoW kiddies flame away into tears....lol
Anyways like I said, the movies were like that, why do you expect the games won't be huh? It's set up in the traditional setting of good vs. evil.....I mean have you even seen any of the SW episodes yet?
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Now that I had a chance to read a lot of the other responses it's obvious this is common knowledge...sooo yeahh....the OP really has no clue to what he's talking about...lol
yea god forbid they copy a successful game model
there's a reason why wow has so many subscribers
because when it comes down to it... the game is actually fun in the end despite how simple it is
Exactly. A lot of times Bounty Hunters don't have any particular loyalties to a faction, only to those that are paying them the most. So even though a person may not have any loyalties to a faction, they are forced to join one, and are limited to only hunting the other faction? That doesn't make sense at all to me.
Bottom line is Bounty Hunters in George Lucas' universe are Imperial aligned (hence the Imperial faction symbol
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what takes place in EU isn't of concern to him. BioWare just chose to follow that part of the canon by making them bad guys. Honestly I love EU I've read about 60 Star Wars books (like The Bounty Hunter Wars), but GL only allows this lore for it's artistic expression, not for it's connection to his lore. Some things he has taken from novels for the his movies, most he doesn't. I imagine BW is following canon a bit more to impress Lucas enough with not breaking away from canon in hopes he may some day tell their story on the big screen. You may not like it, but it is what it is.
Dude, this is exactly how the movies are.
And I know some WoW kiddies will disagree with my next statement in flames and tears, but I believe Star Wars is bigger and more recognizable than WoW will ever dream to me......lol
Maybe not in the MMO market just yet, but definitely outside of it, and the WoW movie will never surpass SW movie franchise in fame..nor Lotr...or win an academy award for that matter.
Now watch all the WoW kiddies flame away into tears....lol
Anyways like I said, the movies were like that, why do you expect the games won't be huh? It's set up in the traditional setting of good vs. evil.....I mean have you even seen any of the SW episodes yet?
lol
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Now that I had a chance to read a lot of the other responses it's obvious this is common knowledge...sooo yeahh....the OP really has no clue to what he's talking about...lol
So, you want your GAME to be the same as a MOVIE?
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Dude, this is exactly how the movies are.
And I know some WoW kiddies will disagree with my next statement in flames and tears, but I believe Star Wars is bigger and more recognizable than WoW will ever dream to me......lol
Maybe not in the MMO market just yet, but definitely outside of it, and the WoW movie will never surpass SW movie franchise in fame..nor Lotr...or win an academy award for that matter.
Now watch all the WoW kiddies flame away into tears....lol
Anyways like I said, the movies were like that, why do you expect the games won't be huh? It's set up in the traditional setting of good vs. evil.....I mean have you even seen any of the SW episodes yet?
lol
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Now that I had a chance to read a lot of the other responses it's obvious this is common knowledge...sooo yeahh....the OP really has no clue to what he's talking about...lol
So, you want your GAME to be the same as a MOVIE?
He named one attribute from the movies "good vs evil" (I guess this means its all just like the movies!). So why was this asked if it's clear he wants this feature?
Thats too bad this game will be nothing like that especially the part where it will be exactly like watching the movies, because the story is a totally different one. I still have high hopes though that one day I'll travel the galaxy as a neutral hero, just like all the ones we've seen in the star wars movies. Like the infamous twilek dancer at Jabbas. It will make a fantastic story based off characters that do not exist in its premise. I wonder why those neutral heroes never existed in the movies? Maybe because they are the least interesting, least appealing, and most misplaced in a movie based on civil war. Even gray jedi have affiliation...
Did you seriously just say they WoW invented good versus bad... or A vs B.
Thats one of the most fundamental ways of human thought.
You must have slept through; History Class, Church/Mass, Literature class, and didn't play any sports.
God Vs Devil.. simple human thought.
Since when there is a third faction is Star wars? do people even think before they post. Every game now days is compared to WOW, this is like a contagious disease which effects only retards for some reason.
The easiest way to spot them is to spot posts like OP made.
As long as it doesnt deal with Uncle Owen this time, I dont think it will matter what they do. It will be a smash hit.
Do try and turn down the fanboi neurosis will you? No-one know what the game will be until it's launched.