To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
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... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming
You mean like say PONG? So we should want all games to have little blocks because that was the foundation of gaming? Or maybe that "blinking dot" from the earliest Atari games? Or the * representing you character in MUDs?
Please. In a gaming market where there are 999 different flavors of "fantasy MMO", little things like differences in graphics style are frequently all there is to really choose between. WoW made a deliberate design decision to go with the look they did, many people like it, others don't; but it was a deliberate decision to go with a more "cartoony" or "anime" appearance.
Also, as some have mentioned - both are basically "easymode"....the top end raiding in both will have its challenges, but not normal gameplay.
I can also completely understand someone who is well versed in the actual writings of Tolkien getting disgusted with LotRO, just as with the movies...but you have to make allowances of that sort in any established setting which is imported to a game setting.
Originally posted by arenasb Originally posted by Fr0z1nDuDe To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole. Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
Sadly, that actually is a very good representation of the community in WoW. Two 70s...sigh.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
I guess my question is .. Why is the thread started as an arguement. An individual will prefer one thing or the other. This is their subjective choice... Giving them a pie chart, graphs and epic lists are not going to change their choice. If you like WoW and enjoy playing it.. good for you. If you like LOTRO and enjoy playing it.. good for you.
This is what I have been trying to get across.
Both games are different and in my opinion lotro is better for somethings than WoW but on the other hand WoW has somethings that lotro does not.
It all comes down to a gamers taste and what they like to do.
I find it very hard to actually compare any mmo's now a days since they are mainly the same idea but just have different perks to each of them.
Generally the only thing I like about WoW is the PvP but I can live without that because the communites in lotro are in my opinion some of the best to be found in any mmo.
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
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I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
You just keep on proving the point.
Riiiight... so a single rude person will represent an entire community according to YOU... good job... good job... you win a pat on the back...
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
You just keep on proving the point.
Riiiight... so a single rude person will represent an entire community according to YOU... good job... good job... you win a pad on the back...
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
No...that makes perfect sense. Trying to bring up the history of games makes no sense, technology and graphics were no where near what they are today. And as far as the Huuuge stretch of comparing every other aspect of Wow to Lotro in terms of cartoony graphics is laughable at best. I don't even play Lotro ... I play and lead a raid guild in Wow. Im not sure you can even try an rework what you wrote to make anyone believe that nonsense. It really makes no sense what so ever.
Do I like Wow's graphics.... yeah I find them fine. At first I didn't try the game though...the graphics looked to "cartoony" . I actually tried EQ2 first, but didnt like the gameplay. Having tried Wow during the stress test part of beta , I decided to give it a go instead. But to clarify, there is a huge difference in what one would find realistic graphics.... you however don't seem to see it?
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
No...that makes perfect sense. Trying to bring up the history of games makes no sense, technology and graphics were no where near what they are today. And as far as the Huuuge stretch of comparing every other aspect of Wow to Lotro in terms of cartoony graphics is laughable at best. I don't even play Lotro ... I play and lead a raid guild in Wow. Im not sure you can even try an rework what you wrote to make anyone believe that nonsense. It really makes no sense what so ever.
Do I like Wow's graphics.... yeah I find them fine. At first I didn't try the game though...the graphics looked to "cartoony" . I actually tried EQ2 first, but didnt like the gameplay. Having tried Wow during the stress test part of beta , I decided to give it a go instead. But to clarify, there is a huge difference in what one would find realistic graphics.... you however don't seem to see it?
REAL realistic graphics, or realistic textures, just means dirty details... take a good look at the real world... its dirty... ugly... and looks like crap... then look at cartoons... cartoons are clean... no matter how much detail they try to put into a cartoon drawing... its always clean... and that is why I said everything in Lotro ***EXCEPT*** sky / water / lighting, are just as cartoony as WoW...
as for the technology in gaming part... you just missed my point... people are using "cartoony" to claim that WoW isn't a good game... my point was that it is PATHETIC to use "cartoony" to claim ANY game sucks...
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
To say that the game's graphics are too "cartoony" is just THEE most PATHETIC excuse to not like a game... learn your gaming history... all ancient games were made as CARTOONY... cartoony is the FOUNDATION of gaming As for LOTRO vs WOW graphics... There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
No...that makes perfect sense. Trying to bring up the history of games makes no sense, technology and graphics were no where near what they are today. And as far as the Huuuge stretch of comparing every other aspect of Wow to Lotro in terms of cartoony graphics is laughable at best. I don't even play Lotro ... I play and lead a raid guild in Wow. Im not sure you can even try an rework what you wrote to make anyone believe that nonsense. It really makes no sense what so ever.
Do I like Wow's graphics.... yeah I find them fine. At first I didn't try the game though...the graphics looked to "cartoony" . I actually tried EQ2 first, but didnt like the gameplay. Having tried Wow during the stress test part of beta , I decided to give it a go instead. But to clarify, there is a huge difference in what one would find realistic graphics.... you however don't seem to see it?
REAL realistic graphics, or realistic textures, just means dirty details... take a good look at the real world... its dirty... ugly... and looks like crap... then look at cartoons... cartoons are clean... no matter how much detail they try to put into a cartoon drawing... its always clean... and that is why I said everything in Lotro ***EXCEPT*** sky / water / lighting, are just as cartoony as WoW...
as for the technology in gaming part... you just missed my point... people are using "cartoony" to claim that WoW isn't a good game... my point was that it is PATHETIC to use "cartoony" to claim ANY game sucks...
Well written and I see what you are trying to say. But as with too many people, you try to twist something into what it isn't. Lotro is mroe realistic, wow is more cartoony. It is what it is. I do agree with your secodn paragraph though on passing judgement on a game based on what you see before you have even played it. But who knows, maybe the graphics really break the immersion for some people ... I dunno.
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if anyone doesn't know what the word feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
Nah LOTRO uses very little DOF. I wish it used it more. Those blurry trees in the distance are not high poly trees with DOF. They are just very low poly trees...lol
WoW has some of the best art design in modern games. Art Design sometimes means more than graphics. That being said every now and then I come across a four polygon tree (lol) in Darnasus attached to the bank by the mailbox and I cringe.
I still cant figure out why LOTRO runs better than WoW though. Dalaran brings my high end system to its knees. Maybe because WoW is based on old architecture?
To me, LOTROand AoC for that matter is a major achievement in technical design. They both look more realistic than WoW, have a much higher polygon count and these days they run better too.
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy... and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you... BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing... so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
I am not attacking Lotro on Lotro forums... I saw Lotro as a great game the day that it was released without playing it at all... but I am attacking something...
I am attacking everyting &%$& &%&* #$%&$%# %&$ that uses "cartoony" to rate a game bad...
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy...
Neither do I, and I never said you did...
and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you...
Never said feeling is all I need either. Hence, why I like WoW..
BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing...
Please give me an example of an MMO game that looks and feels realistic.
so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
Everything is relative. Compared to the majority of MMOs out there, LOTRO looks realistic. I don't understand where you are coming from. Are you talking about "photo-realistic"? If so, then of course LOTRO does not look real.
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy...
Neither do I, and I never said you did...
and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you...
Never said feeling is all I need either. Hence, why I like WoW..
BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing...
Please give me an example of an MMO game that looks and feels realistic.
There are none... they don't exist... every game is cartoony on it's own level... the technology isn't there and people needs to stop crying over it...
except maybe Crysis... not a mmo... but haven't played it only seen screenshots...
so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
Everything is relative. Compared to the majority of MMOs out there, LOTRO looks realistic. I don't understand were you are coming from. Are you talking about "photo-realistic"? If so, then of course LOTRO does not look real.
There you go... Lotro doesn't look real... but it sure as hell feels real when your running around in it (except for the crappy animations...)
There are only THREE things in Lotro graphics that are NOT cartoony... Sky / Water / Lighting... THREE THINGS... Sky / Water / Lighting... everything else is just as cartoony as WoW... { Mod Edit }
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy...
Neither do I, and I never said you did...
and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you...
Never said feeling is all I need either. Hence, why I like WoW..
BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing...
Please give me an example of an MMO game that looks and feels realistic.
There are none... they don't exist... every game is cartoony on it's own level... the technology isn't there and people needs to stop crying over it...
except maybe Crysis... not a mmo... but haven't played it only seen screenshots...
so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
Everything is relative. Compared to the majority of MMOs out there, LOTRO looks realistic. I don't understand were you are coming from. Are you talking about "photo-realistic"? If so, then of course LOTRO does not look real.
There you go... Lotro doesn't look real... but it sure as hell feels real when your running around in it (except for the crappy animations...)
You are taking looking "real" to literally. Nothing can look 100% real, maybe not for another 10 or 15 years.
You have your opinion but I think that LOTRO looks and feels real enough to me.
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Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
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You mean like say PONG? So we should want all games to have little blocks because that was the foundation of gaming? Or maybe that "blinking dot" from the earliest Atari games? Or the * representing you character in MUDs?
Please. In a gaming market where there are 999 different flavors of "fantasy MMO", little things like differences in graphics style are frequently all there is to really choose between. WoW made a deliberate design decision to go with the look they did, many people like it, others don't; but it was a deliberate decision to go with a more "cartoony" or "anime" appearance.
Also, as some have mentioned - both are basically "easymode"....the top end raiding in both will have its challenges, but not normal gameplay.
I can also completely understand someone who is well versed in the actual writings of Tolkien getting disgusted with LotRO, just as with the movies...but you have to make allowances of that sort in any established setting which is imported to a game setting.
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
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Sadly, that actually is a very good representation of the community in WoW. Two 70s...sigh.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
I guess my question is .. Why is the thread started as an arguement.
An individual will prefer one thing or the other. This is their subjective choice...
Giving them a pie chart, graphs and epic lists are not going to change their choice.
If you like WoW and enjoy playing it.. good for you.
If you like LOTRO and enjoy playing it.. good for you.
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
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I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
You just keep on proving the point.
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
This is what I have been trying to get across.
Both games are different and in my opinion lotro is better for somethings than WoW but on the other hand WoW has somethings that lotro does not.
It all comes down to a gamers taste and what they like to do.
I find it very hard to actually compare any mmo's now a days since they are mainly the same idea but just have different perks to each of them.
Generally the only thing I like about WoW is the PvP but I can live without that because the communites in lotro are in my opinion some of the best to be found in any mmo.
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Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
You just keep on proving the point.
Riiiight... so a single rude person will represent an entire community according to YOU... good job... good job... you win a pat on the back...
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
You just keep on proving the point.
Riiiight... so a single rude person will represent an entire community according to YOU... good job... good job... you win a pad on the back...
A pad? ewwww, that's disgusting!
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
No...that makes perfect sense. Trying to bring up the history of games makes no sense, technology and graphics were no where near what they are today. And as far as the Huuuge stretch of comparing every other aspect of Wow to Lotro in terms of cartoony graphics is laughable at best. I don't even play Lotro ... I play and lead a raid guild in Wow. Im not sure you can even try an rework what you wrote to make anyone believe that nonsense. It really makes no sense what so ever.
Do I like Wow's graphics.... yeah I find them fine. At first I didn't try the game though...the graphics looked to "cartoony" . I actually tried EQ2 first, but didnt like the gameplay. Having tried Wow during the stress test part of beta , I decided to give it a go instead. But to clarify, there is a huge difference in what one would find realistic graphics.... you however don't seem to see it?
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
No...that makes perfect sense. Trying to bring up the history of games makes no sense, technology and graphics were no where near what they are today. And as far as the Huuuge stretch of comparing every other aspect of Wow to Lotro in terms of cartoony graphics is laughable at best. I don't even play Lotro ... I play and lead a raid guild in Wow. Im not sure you can even try an rework what you wrote to make anyone believe that nonsense. It really makes no sense what so ever.
Do I like Wow's graphics.... yeah I find them fine. At first I didn't try the game though...the graphics looked to "cartoony" . I actually tried EQ2 first, but didnt like the gameplay. Having tried Wow during the stress test part of beta , I decided to give it a go instead. But to clarify, there is a huge difference in what one would find realistic graphics.... you however don't seem to see it?
REAL realistic graphics, or realistic textures, just means dirty details... take a good look at the real world... its dirty... ugly... and looks like crap... then look at cartoons... cartoons are clean... no matter how much detail they try to put into a cartoon drawing... its always clean... and that is why I said everything in Lotro ***EXCEPT*** sky / water / lighting, are just as cartoony as WoW...
as for the technology in gaming part... you just missed my point... people are using "cartoony" to claim that WoW isn't a good game... my point was that it is PATHETIC to use "cartoony" to claim ANY game sucks...
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
Also here is a good reprensentation of the community of WoW. While Lotro is not perfect, the community is a lot nicer as a whole.
Edit: Looks like the insults were edited out of the quoted post by a mod.
I love how you say it like I'm attacking Lotro... read a little more carefully please... or don't read at all...
As for that mod edit... it was not an insult... it was a fact of life...
Most of what you wrote makes little to no sense, at least on t he subject of cartoony graphics.
So you are telling me you don't know what sky, water, and lighting effects are in a game? ok...
No...that makes perfect sense. Trying to bring up the history of games makes no sense, technology and graphics were no where near what they are today. And as far as the Huuuge stretch of comparing every other aspect of Wow to Lotro in terms of cartoony graphics is laughable at best. I don't even play Lotro ... I play and lead a raid guild in Wow. Im not sure you can even try an rework what you wrote to make anyone believe that nonsense. It really makes no sense what so ever.
Do I like Wow's graphics.... yeah I find them fine. At first I didn't try the game though...the graphics looked to "cartoony" . I actually tried EQ2 first, but didnt like the gameplay. Having tried Wow during the stress test part of beta , I decided to give it a go instead. But to clarify, there is a huge difference in what one would find realistic graphics.... you however don't seem to see it?
REAL realistic graphics, or realistic textures, just means dirty details... take a good look at the real world... its dirty... ugly... and looks like crap... then look at cartoons... cartoons are clean... no matter how much detail they try to put into a cartoon drawing... its always clean... and that is why I said everything in Lotro ***EXCEPT*** sky / water / lighting, are just as cartoony as WoW...
as for the technology in gaming part... you just missed my point... people are using "cartoony" to claim that WoW isn't a good game... my point was that it is PATHETIC to use "cartoony" to claim ANY game sucks...
Well written and I see what you are trying to say. But as with too many people, you try to twist something into what it isn't. Lotro is mroe realistic, wow is more cartoony. It is what it is. I do agree with your secodn paragraph though on passing judgement on a game based on what you see before you have even played it. But who knows, maybe the graphics really break the immersion for some people ... I dunno.
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if anyone doesn't know what the word feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
Nah LOTRO uses very little DOF. I wish it used it more. Those blurry trees in the distance are not high poly trees with DOF. They are just very low poly trees...lol
WoW has some of the best art design in modern games. Art Design sometimes means more than graphics. That being said every now and then I come across a four polygon tree (lol) in Darnasus attached to the bank by the mailbox and I cringe.
I still cant figure out why LOTRO runs better than WoW though. Dalaran brings my high end system to its knees. Maybe because WoW is based on old architecture?
To me, LOTROand AoC for that matter is a major achievement in technical design. They both look more realistic than WoW, have a much higher polygon count and these days they run better too.
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy... and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you... BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing... so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
Another note...
I am not attacking Lotro on Lotro forums... I saw Lotro as a great game the day that it was released without playing it at all... but I am attacking something...
I am attacking everyting &%$& &%&* #$%&$%# %&$ that uses "cartoony" to rate a game bad...
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy...
Neither do I, and I never said you did...
and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you...
Never said feeling is all I need either. Hence, why I like WoW..
BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing...
Please give me an example of an MMO game that looks and feels realistic.
so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
Everything is relative. Compared to the majority of MMOs out there, LOTRO looks realistic. I don't understand where you are coming from. Are you talking about "photo-realistic"? If so, then of course LOTRO does not look real.
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy...
Neither do I, and I never said you did...
and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you...
Never said feeling is all I need either. Hence, why I like WoW..
BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing...
Please give me an example of an MMO game that looks and feels realistic.
There are none... they don't exist... every game is cartoony on it's own level... the technology isn't there and people needs to stop crying over it...
except maybe Crysis... not a mmo... but haven't played it only seen screenshots...
so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
Everything is relative. Compared to the majority of MMOs out there, LOTRO looks realistic. I don't understand were you are coming from. Are you talking about "photo-realistic"? If so, then of course LOTRO does not look real.
There you go... Lotro doesn't look real... but it sure as hell feels real when your running around in it (except for the crappy animations...)
You are so wrong its not even funny.
Close up trees, distant trees, close up and distant mountains, buildings, etc. All of these things do not look cartoony in LOTRO.
You would have won your argument if you said player models though.. I am not a fan of the LOTRO player models.
depth of field... so four... ok four then... everything ELSE is STILL cartoony...
also... lighting effects and depth of field will only make it *feel* realistic... (if you don't know what the world feel means PLEASE LOOK IT UP sigh...) and so Lotro *feels* realistic but it does not *look* realistic...
I am sorry but I think you are way off here.
Isn't "feel" good enough.? It is for me. When I cross a stream in LOTRO and look at that gorgeous water on a sunny day in the Shire I am sorry but it looks and feels real to me. Much more real than WoW. Is that what we are arguing here? What looks more real? WoW has great art design but it does not look that real. This is a non debate. And yes, I love WoW too...
Just a note... I don't need a game to look or FEEL realistic for me to enjoy...
Neither do I, and I never said you did...
and if FEELing realistic is all you need? awesome for you...
Never said feeling is all I need either. Hence, why I like WoW..
BUT... feeling realstic is NOT looking realistic... seeing something and feeling something is not the same thing...
Please give me an example of an MMO game that looks and feels realistic.
There are none... they don't exist... every game is cartoony on it's own level... the technology isn't there and people needs to stop crying over it...
except maybe Crysis... not a mmo... but haven't played it only seen screenshots...
so if people are going to say lotro is realistic they need to say it correctly... lotro feels realistic... not looks realistic
Everything is relative. Compared to the majority of MMOs out there, LOTRO looks realistic. I don't understand were you are coming from. Are you talking about "photo-realistic"? If so, then of course LOTRO does not look real.
There you go... Lotro doesn't look real... but it sure as hell feels real when your running around in it (except for the crappy animations...)
You are taking looking "real" to literally. Nothing can look 100% real, maybe not for another 10 or 15 years.
You have your opinion but I think that LOTRO looks and feels real enough to me.
I Like the more realistic style that lotro has compared to wow, but I dont think that effectives gameplay.
but on graphics lotro is the winner by far.
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Key thing with LOTRO on graphics is you need a good system to run it.
When I play on my desktop with all the eye-candy on, the game is simply stunning.
I tried it on my laptop and it was pretty weak -- animations seemed forced, textures low-rez, ground clutter and so forth gone.
If you have the rig, this is a great game.