My point in using John as a reference is that a company does NOT have to sell out to succeed. The good guys over at Id software have always made the game THEY wanted to make....for the sake of making games. Like a talented chef creating food just for the joy of cooking.
And if it's good, it will sell. It doesn't have to be another Big Mac.
Anyway, I'm beating a dead horse here, and I kinda feel like I've unfairly taken over the thread. I'm gonna shut up now, and let other people share their opinions.
I mean...why even bother having anything else, by your logic. We shold ALL be wearing the same thing, listening to the same music, and playing the same game. Just stare straight ahead at the pretty carrot, and keep walking.... By the way...nice attempt with the weak insults kid. But I've been around for a long time, and I've forgotten more than you'll ever know. I can sit here on my ass and play MMOs all day because I've owned and sold three successful businesses....based around a QUALITY product, not mass-market appeal.
Who said every restaurant is McD's? The point is that a restaurant is a for profit model, unlike the nonsense you are saying above.
As for you running and selling three companies, please post a link to just one of them. Your posts clearly state that you don't have the first inkling of the business world, or the real world in general. You seem to have forgotten the basics of economics as well in the long list of "more things you have forgotten than I will ever know". Your idiotic notion that someone making a "quality" product is not going for "mass-market appeal" shows you know nothing about business. Every for profit business in this world strives to have "mass-market appeal", that is how they make profit. The more appeal their product has the more money they make. To attempt to say quality somehow excludes mass market appeal just shows how little you know.
Can you post a picture of the three successful Lemmonaide stands you have run and what 13 year old you sold them to? So successful that you have retired to play MMO's......LOL.....you bet buddy.
Here's an idea..
JUST FOR YOU, I'll go ahead and derail this whole thread and turn it into an autobiography. I'll give you links, pictures, a copy of my degree, and my resume. While I'm at it, I'll show you pictures of my kids, my car, my house, and even tell you my social security number.
Or maybe....not.
maybe I'll just sit here and laugh at you instead, Mr. Amateur Businessman.
And I call you that because I see your kind here all the time. Making bold claims like "it's stupid for any company not to market to the lowest common denominator...it's all about the biggest profit."
But it's obvious that you know NOTHING about business, or profit, or marketing at all. It makes me laugh every time.
Just like it made me laugh when people would come to MY smoke shop instead of the convenience store, even though my prices were higher.
The difference was that my product was fresh. I knew what I was doing, I kept my cigars in a humidor at the proper humidity level, and I ordered fresh tobacco every two weeks. I explained to customers what the date stamps meant on the packages.
people came to my shop for the quality product. And when the taxes went up and up, and the smoking ban hit, and every other smoke shop bar one in town closed down, I was still making a profit, still paying the bills.
And I didn't have to cater to the widest (lowest denominator) market to do it. I didn't have to start selling glass tubes and blunt wraps. Propane torches, scratch tickets and generic cigarettes. The minute you start catering to that crowd, you start compromising the quality of your establishment.
I sold QUALITY products, to a QUALITY clientele.
And this is precisely why we such a range in the QUALITY of MMORPG gaming communities, by the way.
It's why the community in WoW has gotten it's horrendous reputation. WoW might not be a bad game, and all of it's players might not deserve the reputation that they have earned...but as a result of catering to the "lowest", the reputation of the brand and it's consumers has dropped to less than favorable opinion.
Starting to understand?? You might think McD's, and WoW are the best, smartest thing ever...
...but the rest of us have STANDARDS.
LOL......unfortunately I lost track of this post, because I was so interested in your lame response after your bold claims of what an ingenious business man you are. Of course you have nothing to link, and are now referencing your amazing smoke shop business.
You don't understand the first principal of marketing, and it's clear. Further you continue to emphasize that anything of quality can't have mass appeal, and that by having mass appeal you lack quality. This is such an idiotic fallacy I should just leave it at that. A stoned/drunk freshman who slept through his economics or marketing class would know better than this.
And Standards have nothing to do with it Mr. "I'm retired to play MMO's". Your opinion, which is obviously an elitist 1% type of opinion, is that the WoW is crap. Horrendous reputation? Amongst who, a few elitist moron posters on MMORPG.com? It's the most popular MMO of all time, the most profitable video game of all time.
You assert that they are successful because they cater to the lowest. To the lowest what? They win for a million reason, one of those being that a freaking commodore 64 can play it. Is that catering to the lowest? Or is that an intelligent business decision? To your cigar smoke fried mind, that is catering to the lowest, when anyone with a brain would say, that is a smart tactical business decision. Now I don't love that about it, because I always have top end gear and want games to push the limits of it, but I can see the SMART business decision there and respect it. I could list a thousand more examples of the extremely smart things they did in terms of game design, which you would of course say are "catering" to the lowest when they simply made the game more accessible to average gamers and expanded the MMO industry by a thousand fold.
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My point in using John as a reference is that a company does NOT have to sell out to succeed. The good guys over at Id software have always made the game THEY wanted to make....for the sake of making games. Like a talented chef creating food just for the joy of cooking.
And if it's good, it will sell. It doesn't have to be another Big Mac.
Anyway, I'm beating a dead horse here, and I kinda feel like I've unfairly taken over the thread. I'm gonna shut up now, and let other people share their opinions.
It's been fun.
Who said every restaurant is McD's? The point is that a restaurant is a for profit model, unlike the nonsense you are saying above.
As for you running and selling three companies, please post a link to just one of them. Your posts clearly state that you don't have the first inkling of the business world, or the real world in general. You seem to have forgotten the basics of economics as well in the long list of "more things you have forgotten than I will ever know". Your idiotic notion that someone making a "quality" product is not going for "mass-market appeal" shows you know nothing about business. Every for profit business in this world strives to have "mass-market appeal", that is how they make profit. The more appeal their product has the more money they make. To attempt to say quality somehow excludes mass market appeal just shows how little you know.
Can you post a picture of the three successful Lemmonaide stands you have run and what 13 year old you sold them to? So successful that you have retired to play MMO's......LOL.....you bet buddy.
Here's an idea..
JUST FOR YOU, I'll go ahead and derail this whole thread and turn it into an autobiography. I'll give you links, pictures, a copy of my degree, and my resume. While I'm at it, I'll show you pictures of my kids, my car, my house, and even tell you my social security number.
Or maybe....not.
maybe I'll just sit here and laugh at you instead, Mr. Amateur Businessman.
And I call you that because I see your kind here all the time. Making bold claims like "it's stupid for any company not to market to the lowest common denominator...it's all about the biggest profit."
But it's obvious that you know NOTHING about business, or profit, or marketing at all. It makes me laugh every time.
Just like it made me laugh when people would come to MY smoke shop instead of the convenience store, even though my prices were higher.
The difference was that my product was fresh. I knew what I was doing, I kept my cigars in a humidor at the proper humidity level, and I ordered fresh tobacco every two weeks. I explained to customers what the date stamps meant on the packages.
people came to my shop for the quality product. And when the taxes went up and up, and the smoking ban hit, and every other smoke shop bar one in town closed down, I was still making a profit, still paying the bills.
And I didn't have to cater to the widest (lowest denominator) market to do it. I didn't have to start selling glass tubes and blunt wraps. Propane torches, scratch tickets and generic cigarettes. The minute you start catering to that crowd, you start compromising the quality of your establishment.
I sold QUALITY products, to a QUALITY clientele.
And this is precisely why we such a range in the QUALITY of MMORPG gaming communities, by the way.
It's why the community in WoW has gotten it's horrendous reputation. WoW might not be a bad game, and all of it's players might not deserve the reputation that they have earned...but as a result of catering to the "lowest", the reputation of the brand and it's consumers has dropped to less than favorable opinion.
Starting to understand?? You might think McD's, and WoW are the best, smartest thing ever...
...but the rest of us have STANDARDS.
LOL......unfortunately I lost track of this post, because I was so interested in your lame response after your bold claims of what an ingenious business man you are. Of course you have nothing to link, and are now referencing your amazing smoke shop business.
You don't understand the first principal of marketing, and it's clear. Further you continue to emphasize that anything of quality can't have mass appeal, and that by having mass appeal you lack quality. This is such an idiotic fallacy I should just leave it at that. A stoned/drunk freshman who slept through his economics or marketing class would know better than this.
And Standards have nothing to do with it Mr. "I'm retired to play MMO's". Your opinion, which is obviously an elitist 1% type of opinion, is that the WoW is crap. Horrendous reputation? Amongst who, a few elitist moron posters on MMORPG.com? It's the most popular MMO of all time, the most profitable video game of all time.
You assert that they are successful because they cater to the lowest. To the lowest what? They win for a million reason, one of those being that a freaking commodore 64 can play it. Is that catering to the lowest? Or is that an intelligent business decision? To your cigar smoke fried mind, that is catering to the lowest, when anyone with a brain would say, that is a smart tactical business decision. Now I don't love that about it, because I always have top end gear and want games to push the limits of it, but I can see the SMART business decision there and respect it. I could list a thousand more examples of the extremely smart things they did in terms of game design, which you would of course say are "catering" to the lowest when they simply made the game more accessible to average gamers and expanded the MMO industry by a thousand fold.