O.K. after reading my June copy of PC Gamer magazine I think I have the solution for everybody. Those that feel the quest directions in LOTRO or other MMO's are too hard need to play Ether Saga Online. Here is the exact quote from the magazine: "Killing quest mobs is a lot more fun than trying to find quest mobs, Ether Saga Online's quests include links that automatically navigate your character to each objective location. Over bridges, around buildings, up stairs." There you go. Theres your mmo to all you who think quests are too hard in other games. This described what you want just perfectly!
I personally say " are you frikkin' kidding me? Are we actually going to play a game that ends up playing it for us?" But hey, this is perfect for those that want this kind of help. For the rest of us we can continue to play our "difficult" MMO's and enjoy the exploring on the way to our quest objectives.
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Questing hard? You have got to be kidding. LotRO is a third grade hand holding crappy but eye candy looking game now. Thanks to the last major patch. But you can find a challenge (thankfully) if you run off exploring and try to find mobs that are white, yellow, or orange. But now I have been deleting all lower quests completely from my journal. Only reason i still even play this is because my wife likes it and she can't even read the quests. But we have fun running around together. She is dyslexic.
Yeah I prety much have to agree with this......LoTRO is about as soft as they come for an MMO......There may be an area or two you have trouble finding or an NPC that is located in a hard spot but overall the game is as hand holding as they get.........
Questing hard? You have got to be kidding. LotRO is a third grade hand holding crappy but eye candy looking game now. Thanks to the last major patch. But you can find a challenge (thankfully) if you run off exploring and try to find mobs that are white, yellow, or orange. But now I have been deleting all lower quests completely from my journal. Only reason i still even play this is because my wife likes it and she can't even read the quests. But we have fun running around together. She is dyslexic.
Yeah I prety much have to agree with this......LoTRO is about as soft as they come for an MMO......There may be an area or two you have trouble finding or an NPC that is located in a hard spot but overall the game is as hand holding as they get.........
Ever been in Moria?
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
O.K. after reading my June copy of PC Gamer magazine I think I have the solution for everybody. Those that feel the quest directions in LOTRO or other MMO's are too hard need to play Ether Saga Online. Here is the exact quote from the magazine: "Killing quest mobs is a lot more fun than trying to find quest mobs, Ether Saga Online's quests include links that automatically navigate your character to each objective location. Over bridges, around buildings, up stairs." There you go. Theres your mmo to all you who think quests are too hard in other games. This described what you want just perfectly!
I personally say " are you frikkin' kidding me? Are we actually going to play a game that ends up playing it for us?" But hey, this is perfect for those that want this kind of help. For the rest of us we can continue to play our "difficult" MMO's and enjoy the exploring on the way to our quest objectives.
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Originally posted by Theocritus Yeah I prety much have to agree with this......LoTRO is about as soft as they come for an MMO......There may be an area or two you have trouble finding or an NPC that is located in a hard spot but overall the game is as hand holding as they get.........
Ever been in Moria?
Moria can be a maze for some of the quests objective, and it should be, its moria! I think thats why I enjoyed it so much the first and second time I went through it. It felt very much like when I entered The Old Forest for the first time, back in the day we had no map for it.. good times!
Moria aside, I feel people have a good reason for crying wolf on the "easy-mode" path companies are heading, seeing how the industry has envolved the last couple of years.
O.K. after reading my June copy of PC Gamer magazine I think I have the solution for everybody. Those that feel the quest directions in LOTRO or other MMO's are too hard need to play Ether Saga Online. Here is the exact quote from the magazine: "Killing quest mobs is a lot more fun than trying to find quest mobs, Ether Saga Online's quests include links that automatically navigate your character to each objective location. Over bridges, around buildings, up stairs." There you go. Theres your mmo to all you who think quests are too hard in other games. This described what you want just perfectly!
I personally say " are you frikkin' kidding me? Are we actually going to play a game that ends up playing it for us?" But hey, this is perfect for those that want this kind of help. For the rest of us we can continue to play our "difficult" MMO's and enjoy the exploring on the way to our quest objectives.
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Ok now which ones are the hard ones? I have played over half of the ones on your list and am curious as to which ones you find hard. As i said, who is kidding who.
O.K. after reading my June copy of PC Gamer magazine I think I have the solution for everybody. Those that feel the quest directions in LOTRO or other MMO's are too hard need to play Ether Saga Online. Here is the exact quote from the magazine: "Killing quest mobs is a lot more fun than trying to find quest mobs, Ether Saga Online's quests include links that automatically navigate your character to each objective location. Over bridges, around buildings, up stairs." There you go. Theres your mmo to all you who think quests are too hard in other games. This described what you want just perfectly!
I personally say " are you frikkin' kidding me? Are we actually going to play a game that ends up playing it for us?" But hey, this is perfect for those that want this kind of help. For the rest of us we can continue to play our "difficult" MMO's and enjoy the exploring on the way to our quest objectives.
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Ok now which ones are the hard ones? I have played over half of the ones on your list and am curious as to which ones you find hard. As i said, who is kidding who.
Ummm, like I was responding to people who said games like LOTRO are "difficult". I don't find them difficult, hence, my sarcasm in quotes when i said "difficult". I think the only thing I did wrong was my sarcasm. I know not everyone finds these games easy, but I mean seriously, do you see the sense in playing a game and having it controlled like I mentioned about Ether Saga Online? Why have it even do the running for you? I was actually fine with the fact that there are pointers and waypoints and such in these games since most of them give you an option to shut them off, but now it's going as far as to have your character auto-run to exactly where you need to go is just plain lazy! Might as well have the game teleport you to every quest objective! Also, I'm still waiting for your list of games played Gramps...I don't think your reading my posts or any others completely because it appears you completely misunderstood me, and you didn't mention what mmo's you have played. You called me out, now I'm calling you!
O.K. after reading my June copy of PC Gamer magazine I think I have the solution for everybody. Those that feel the quest directions in LOTRO or other MMO's are too hard need to play Ether Saga Online. Here is the exact quote from the magazine: "Killing quest mobs is a lot more fun than trying to find quest mobs, Ether Saga Online's quests include links that automatically navigate your character to each objective location. Over bridges, around buildings, up stairs." There you go. Theres your mmo to all you who think quests are too hard in other games. This described what you want just perfectly!
I personally say " are you frikkin' kidding me? Are we actually going to play a game that ends up playing it for us?" But hey, this is perfect for those that want this kind of help. For the rest of us we can continue to play our "difficult" MMO's and enjoy the exploring on the way to our quest objectives.
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Ok now which ones are the hard ones? I have played over half of the ones on your list and am curious as to which ones you find hard. As i said, who is kidding who.
Ummm, like I was responding to people who said games like LOTRO are "difficult". I don't find them difficult, hence, my sarcasm in quotes when i said "difficult". I think the only thing I did wrong was my sarcasm. I know not everyone finds these games easy, but I mean seriously, do you see the sense in playing a game and having it controlled like I mentioned about Ether Saga Online? Why have it even do the running for you? I was actually fine with the fact that there are pointers and waypoints and such in these games since most of them give you an option to shut them off, but now it's going as far as to have your character auto-run to exactly where you need to go is just plain lazy! Might as well have the game teleport you to every quest objective! Also, I'm still waiting for your list of games played Gramps...I don't think your reading my posts or any others completely because it appears you completely misunderstood me, and you didn't mention what mmo's you have played. You called me out, now I'm calling you!
i understand you better than you think, all the games you have played are easy, none challenge you, and yet you continue the search for the MMO that is hard, and we all know it will be one i havnt played.
Neither am I.... RPG is Character Development. RPG is Role-playing a character. RPG is doing adventures with your friends. RPG is finding solution to riddles. RPG is drawing the magical sword out of the stone. The very foundation of a RPG is a story, a QUEST which the characters are set out to solve. See what Im getting at? Its like asking for auto-aim in a FPS game...
YOU are talking about RPG.
WE'RE talking about a computer game.
EDIT: Basicly i don't like this attitude where you seem to think i'm stupid and or lazy for not finding my quest objectives.
-Would you like cheddar or swiss cheese? -Yes. -...
Here is a typical quest dialog from lotro: 'While we seem to have made it through the worst with the Blackwolds, there is still one threat that my farmhands and I can't seem to silence. 'There is a great, vicious boar that lives somewhere to the east of my farm. His den is built in an old, rotting tree stump. Folks call him Old Bloodtusk, but I call him a nuisance! Always rooting for food near my hedge. He once broke through the hedge and gored a farmhand in my field. 'With all that is going on, it may seem a bit foolish, but that boar isn't right and is better dead than alive.'
"Somewhere East of my farm"... "Rotting tree".
Would have been nice if they mentionned it's near a pond or that it's not near the ruins or that it's not near bree's gate.
Somewhere, near a rotting tree. They're all like that.
-Would you like cheddar or swiss cheese? -Yes. -...
OK grandpagamer, I see now your just avoiding my question about the games you have played. You are nothing but the same troll you were trying to accuse me of being when all I did was mention an easier sounding game for those that struggle with games like LOTRO, admittedly with some sarcasm, but I can man-up and apologize for it. I have asked twice now what games you have played. In the very first time I asked I even said I'm not being a smart-arse and was just curious as to what MMO's you have played. All your doing is trying to get people fired up and it isn't working with me....this will be the last response to you from me unless you can answer what games you have played. I had no shame in telling you what games I have played, and all you can say is they're all easy...so come on big boy let's hear it!
The list of games I've played are in my signature. The only one that I found truly HARD to play was World War II Online. Any other games that purport to be "hard" are actually substituting boring grinds for difficulty. The most famous example of this for me is EVE. In the 2 1/2 years I played EVE, I never died, NOT ONCE. lol. I can't say that about LOTRO, nor any other game for that matter.
As for the quest tracker. meh. I get why Turbine implemented it. I get why some people really hate it. I turn it off, and never think twice. If a quest direction is poorly worded, or completely wrong, I've bugged it with a notation "and no, I don't want to use the quest tracker".
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Neither am I.... RPG is Character Development. RPG is Role-playing a character. RPG is doing adventures with your friends. RPG is finding solution to riddles. RPG is drawing the magical sword out of the stone. The very foundation of a RPG is a story, a QUEST which the characters are set out to solve. See what Im getting at? Its like asking for auto-aim in a FPS game...
YOU are talking about RPG.
WE'RE talking about a computer game.
EDIT: Basicly i don't like this attitude where you seem to think i'm stupid and or lazy for not finding my quest objectives.
Massive Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game. Its a RPG played online, and all those things I listed are the very essence of this type of games.
I dont like FPS games. I never hit anything with my gun, and I bet I couldnt even hit water from a boat. But I dont complain/demand auto-aim options, so I can play FPS games aswell. I realise that an auto-aim in FPS is more gamebreaking than a quest guider in a MMORPG, but it is still comparable.
As for the quest dialog i posted; You are looking for a rotting tree stump, not a rotting tree. If you run east from the farm you encounter one tree stump, only one.
I apologize if I implied that you were stupid or lazy, not my intention. But its frustrating to see the RPG in MMORPG being watered down to almost non-existing...
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Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Yeah I prety much have to agree with this......LoTRO is about as soft as they come for an MMO......There may be an area or two you have trouble finding or an NPC that is located in a hard spot but overall the game is as hand holding as they get.........
Yeah I prety much have to agree with this......LoTRO is about as soft as they come for an MMO......There may be an area or two you have trouble finding or an NPC that is located in a hard spot but overall the game is as hand holding as they get.........
Ever been in Moria?
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Ever been in Moria?
Moria can be a maze for some of the quests objective, and it should be, its moria!
I think thats why I enjoyed it so much the first and second time I went through it. It felt very much like when I entered The Old Forest for the first time, back in the day we had no map for it.. good times!
Moria aside, I feel people have a good reason for crying wolf on the "easy-mode" path companies are heading, seeing how the industry has envolved the last couple of years.
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Ok now which ones are the hard ones? I have played over half of the ones on your list and am curious as to which ones you find hard. As i said, who is kidding who.
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Ok now which ones are the hard ones? I have played over half of the ones on your list and am curious as to which ones you find hard. As i said, who is kidding who.
Ummm, like I was responding to people who said games like LOTRO are "difficult". I don't find them difficult, hence, my sarcasm in quotes when i said "difficult". I think the only thing I did wrong was my sarcasm. I know not everyone finds these games easy, but I mean seriously, do you see the sense in playing a game and having it controlled like I mentioned about Ether Saga Online? Why have it even do the running for you? I was actually fine with the fact that there are pointers and waypoints and such in these games since most of them give you an option to shut them off, but now it's going as far as to have your character auto-run to exactly where you need to go is just plain lazy! Might as well have the game teleport you to every quest objective! Also, I'm still waiting for your list of games played Gramps...I don't think your reading my posts or any others completely because it appears you completely misunderstood me, and you didn't mention what mmo's you have played. You called me out, now I'm calling you!
Just which "difficult" MMO are you playing? Ive played most of the fantasy PTP games and am curious. Or are you "gameless" and feel the need to troll the boards trying to convince yourself you are a hardcore, perma death, pvp animal? A difficult MMO? Who is frikkin kidding who? Be true to thine self little warrior.
Well o.k. there gramps! Obviously you took some offense to the word "difficult". Also, do you think I would be wasting my time coming to a board like this and not be into MMO's? Let me start with saying that I'm currently subscribed to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. That is the only current sub, but let me list all the mmo's I have subscribed to at one time. Here they are in no particular order:
Everquest
Everquest 2
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
Now, that's the ones that require pay-to-play here's the F2P:
Runes of Magic
Wizard 101
Dungeon Runners
Guild Wars
Then that doesn't even include the fact that I have beta tested many more games that I never ended up playing after it's release. Listen, I am a fan of MMO's and to be honest, I was going to try Ether Saga Online until I read that part in the magazine. I may still try it because it said it was a link that is in the quest log, so it sounded like something you can use if you want. Also, no I don't consider myself "hardcore, perma-death, pvp animal" I can't be hardcore because I'm an adult with priorities over sitting at my computer for 12 hours straight, MMo's is hobby not life for me. I don't like perma-death because I enjoy building up a character and don't want to lose all my hard work over a death, and PvP is fun but not a necessary component for me.
I don't know why you got so defensive. Did I quote you or name you before I posted that? NO! So sounds to me like your the gamer that wants the game to play it for him. It was the game I'm talking about when I say " are you frikkin' kidding me?" OK now it's your turn. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse right now, I'm actually curious as to what mmo's you have played.
Ok now which ones are the hard ones? I have played over half of the ones on your list and am curious as to which ones you find hard. As i said, who is kidding who.
Ummm, like I was responding to people who said games like LOTRO are "difficult". I don't find them difficult, hence, my sarcasm in quotes when i said "difficult". I think the only thing I did wrong was my sarcasm. I know not everyone finds these games easy, but I mean seriously, do you see the sense in playing a game and having it controlled like I mentioned about Ether Saga Online? Why have it even do the running for you? I was actually fine with the fact that there are pointers and waypoints and such in these games since most of them give you an option to shut them off, but now it's going as far as to have your character auto-run to exactly where you need to go is just plain lazy! Might as well have the game teleport you to every quest objective! Also, I'm still waiting for your list of games played Gramps...I don't think your reading my posts or any others completely because it appears you completely misunderstood me, and you didn't mention what mmo's you have played. You called me out, now I'm calling you!
i understand you better than you think, all the games you have played are easy, none challenge you, and yet you continue the search for the MMO that is hard, and we all know it will be one i havnt played.
YOU are talking about RPG.
WE'RE talking about a computer game.
EDIT: Basicly i don't like this attitude where you seem to think i'm stupid and or lazy for not finding my quest objectives.
-Would you like cheddar or swiss cheese?
-Yes.
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"Somewhere East of my farm"... "Rotting tree".
Would have been nice if they mentionned it's near a pond or that it's not near the ruins or that it's not near bree's gate.
Somewhere, near a rotting tree. They're all like that.
-Would you like cheddar or swiss cheese?
-Yes.
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OK grandpagamer, I see now your just avoiding my question about the games you have played. You are nothing but the same troll you were trying to accuse me of being when all I did was mention an easier sounding game for those that struggle with games like LOTRO, admittedly with some sarcasm, but I can man-up and apologize for it. I have asked twice now what games you have played. In the very first time I asked I even said I'm not being a smart-arse and was just curious as to what MMO's you have played. All your doing is trying to get people fired up and it isn't working with me....this will be the last response to you from me unless you can answer what games you have played. I had no shame in telling you what games I have played, and all you can say is they're all easy...so come on big boy let's hear it!
The list of games I've played are in my signature. The only one that I found truly HARD to play was World War II Online. Any other games that purport to be "hard" are actually substituting boring grinds for difficulty. The most famous example of this for me is EVE. In the 2 1/2 years I played EVE, I never died, NOT ONCE. lol. I can't say that about LOTRO, nor any other game for that matter.
As for the quest tracker. meh. I get why Turbine implemented it. I get why some people really hate it. I turn it off, and never think twice. If a quest direction is poorly worded, or completely wrong, I've bugged it with a notation "and no, I don't want to use the quest tracker".
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
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YOU are talking about RPG.
WE'RE talking about a computer game.
EDIT: Basicly i don't like this attitude where you seem to think i'm stupid and or lazy for not finding my quest objectives.
Massive Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game. Its a RPG played online, and all those things I listed are the very essence of this type of games.
I dont like FPS games. I never hit anything with my gun, and I bet I couldnt even hit water from a boat. But I dont complain/demand auto-aim options, so I can play FPS games aswell. I realise that an auto-aim in FPS is more gamebreaking than a quest guider in a MMORPG, but it is still comparable.
As for the quest dialog i posted; You are looking for a rotting tree stump, not a rotting tree. If you run east from the farm you encounter one tree stump, only one.
I apologize if I implied that you were stupid or lazy, not my intention. But its frustrating to see the RPG in MMORPG being watered down to almost non-existing...