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What do you guys think was the biggest let down in mmorpg history?

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  • jagorhighjagorhigh Member Posts: 43

     Age of Connan

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  • Brain-deadBrain-dead Member Posts: 256

    AutoAssault - I wanted a cool Car Wars MMO...instead I got a lame WoW-with-Cars. What a waste.

    Darkfall - I was looking forward to that game forever, but now it looks like a mess.

    Vanguard - I actually kinda liked this game, but it didnt like up to it's potential.

  • warppwarpp Member Posts: 258
    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    I have to go with Vanguard, it was supposed to be the WoW killer I know that term is used a lot but thats what we all thought it  was, we thought it would return us to the glory days of EQ. Exploration, fun, grouping, etc. it was supposed to be THE pve game.I think it turned out to be the biggest flop in mmo history.



     

    NONSENSE. THe proof is the amount of sold boxes right at release. WOW killer was supposed to be WAR and AoC.

    Vanguard had 120k sold boxes first month.

    AoC had 750k first days

    WAR had 550k first days.

    There was no marketing of Vanguard that it should be a wow-killer, there were no adds, it was just you people who jump to every bandwagon that's going on.

     

    Um no we thought it was a WoW killer from the description and leaks and the developers blogs etc, not how many boxes it sold.

     

    Show me the description, a description on a box? Someone said it in the interview? If so show me the link, do something. VG WAS never supposed to be a wow-killer. They were glad they managed to release the game and not close the whole studio after microsoft cut the funding.

     

    VG was supposed to be the WoW killer. The game was the most hyped game ever on mmorpg.com. It was the game that was supposed to bring back the good ol EQ days.You obviously were not around then.

    You are talking shit,seriously i hole heap of it. VG was never meant to be a WOW killer and it was not the biggest hyped game on this site.

    Yeah i know,you are going to say i was not around but i was but not with this  account.

    Dnl was hype more than VG by a long shot and AOC  to name just two..

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  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864

    if this is about creating a metric fukton of hype and then delivering 0,01% of promised,the award goes to WAR

     

    seriously,that gotta be the only game where the developer hype was even bigger than player hype. MJ can fit both feet in his mouth. and now? has been 3 weeks now M.I.A after watchig his game sink like the Titanic

     

  • SalvatorisSalvatoris Member Posts: 1,360

    I say Vanguard.

     

    It was over-promised under-delivered.  i had such high hopes for it, and it turned out not to be much like it was hyped at all.  Beyond that, it was barely playable at launch.

     

    Runners up would have to be AOC and Tabula Rasa.  All three games were hyped as something that they weren't.

  • warppwarpp Member Posts: 258
    Originally posted by arcdevil


    if this is about creating a metric fukton of hype and then delivering 0,01% of promised,the award goes to WAR
     
    seriously,that gotta be the only game where the developer hype was even bigger than player hype. MJ can fit both feet in his mouth. and now? has been 3 weeks now M.I.A after watchig his game sink like the Titanic
     

    I agree with you, Paul Barnett was the hype king of any mmorpg to date.

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  • warppwarpp Member Posts: 258
    Originally posted by Salvatoris


    I say Vanguard.
     
    It was over-promised under-delivered.  i had such high hopes for it, and it turned out not to be much like it was hyped at all.  Beyond that, it was barely playable at launch.
     
    Runners up would have to be AOC and Tabula Rasa.  All three games were hyped as something that they weren't.

    Barely playable for some not all.

    I would like to hear how you think it was under delivered because the game play was not the issue with VG it was the fact that many pc could not handle the engine plus it had bugs.

    They delivered everything they said they would ,it was the engine that gave it the bad reputation at the start.

     

    You obviously never played DNL or followed that game.

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  • WrenderWrender Member Posts: 1,386
    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    I have to go with Vanguard, it was supposed to be the WoW killer I know that term is used a lot but thats what we all thought it  was, we thought it would return us to the glory days of EQ. Exploration, fun, grouping, etc. it was supposed to be THE pve game.I think it turned out to be the biggest flop in mmo history.



     

    NONSENSE. THe proof is the amount of sold boxes right at release. WOW killer was supposed to be WAR and AoC.

    Vanguard had 120k sold boxes first month.

    AoC had 750k first days

    WAR had 550k first days.

    There was no marketing of Vanguard that it should be a wow-killer, there were no adds, it was just you people who jump to every bandwagon that's going on.

     

    Um no we thought it was a WoW killer from the description and leaks and the developers blogs etc, not how many boxes it sold.

     

    Show me the description, a description on a box? Someone said it in the interview? If so show me the link, do something. VG WAS never supposed to be a wow-killer. They were glad they managed to release the game and not close the whole studio after microsoft cut the funding.

     

    VG was supposed to be the WoW killer. The game was the most hyped game ever on mmorpg.com. It was the game that was supposed to bring back the good ol EQ days.You obviously were not around then.



     

    You obviously havent played Vanguard lately have you? If you did you would,nt be here posting . The game as it is now is simply incredible. I read some of the posts here about it and decided to try it out. I was blown away at the depth and uniqness of the gameplay. I will prob never play another game Vanguard could easily topple WOW if SOE would pull thier haeds out of thier asses and realize what they have. marketing/advertising/developing is needed. But of course if 11 million people all of a sudden came to Vanguard it would prob turn into garbage like WOW. And then my MMO days would be over for good. Vanguard is our last hope for a decent MMO with any kind of depth since Blizzard ruined the future of MMO's forever.

  • warppwarpp Member Posts: 258
    Originally posted by Wrender

    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    I have to go with Vanguard, it was supposed to be the WoW killer I know that term is used a lot but thats what we all thought it  was, we thought it would return us to the glory days of EQ. Exploration, fun, grouping, etc. it was supposed to be THE pve game.I think it turned out to be the biggest flop in mmo history.



     

    NONSENSE. THe proof is the amount of sold boxes right at release. WOW killer was supposed to be WAR and AoC.

    Vanguard had 120k sold boxes first month.

    AoC had 750k first days

    WAR had 550k first days.

    There was no marketing of Vanguard that it should be a wow-killer, there were no adds, it was just you people who jump to every bandwagon that's going on.

     

    Um no we thought it was a WoW killer from the description and leaks and the developers blogs etc, not how many boxes it sold.

     

    Show me the description, a description on a box? Someone said it in the interview? If so show me the link, do something. VG WAS never supposed to be a wow-killer. They were glad they managed to release the game and not close the whole studio after microsoft cut the funding.

     

    VG was supposed to be the WoW killer. The game was the most hyped game ever on mmorpg.com. It was the game that was supposed to bring back the good ol EQ days.You obviously were not around then.



     

    You obviously havent played Vanguard lately have you? If you did you would,nt be here posting . The game as it is now is simply incredible. I read some of the posts here about it and decided to try it out. I was blown away at the depth and uniqness of the gameplay. I will prob never play another game Vanguard could easily topple WOW if SOE would pull thier haeds out of thier asses and realize what they have. marketing/advertising/developing is needed. But of course if 11 million people all of a sudden came to Vanguard it would prob turn into garbage like WOW. And then my MMO days would be over for good. Vanguard is our last hope for a decent MMO with any kind of depth since Blizzard ruined the future of MMO's forever.

    Very true, some idiots don't realise that VG is over two years old now and games change. They are still on a hate mission rathger than trying the FREE TRAIL they still believe the bullshit.

     

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  • WrenderWrender Member Posts: 1,386
    Originally posted by Salvatoris


    I say Vanguard.
     
    It was over-promised under-delivered.  i had such high hopes for it, and it turned out not to be much like it was hyped at all.  Beyond that, it was barely playable at launch.
     
    Runners up would have to be AOC and Tabula Rasa.  All three games were hyped as something that they weren't.



     

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  • ionlyneeditionlyneedit Member Posts: 123

    Horizons or Shadowbane. 

    Shadowbane is one of the foundations of my "no trial no play" policy.

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  • hanshotfirsthanshotfirst Member UncommonPosts: 712

    Star Wars: Galaxies

    It launched with neither stars nor wars, and rapidly went downhill from there. At its best, it was The Sims with a monthly subscription fee... and ewoks.

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  • rerednawrerednaw Member Posts: 23

    Star Wars Galaxies NGE. A complete game mechanic re-write that catered to the most vociferous 1% instead of the broad player base.

    Either that or it was some suit's pet project...like new Coke.

    DDO. Ugh just wasn't Dungeons and Dragons. Very buggy game engine, game had different feel, I did like quest based advancement though.

    Gods and Heroes. Saw it at comc-con met the devs, loved the beta! KIB.

    Just my 2 bits.


  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566

    AOC because of the channeling system. I didn't know it would annoy me so much, frankly.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,969
    Originally posted by Sneakers05

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    I have to go with Vanguard, it was supposed to be the WoW killer I know that term is used a lot but thats what we all thought it  was, we thought it would return us to the glory days of EQ. Exploration, fun, grouping, etc. it was supposed to be THE pve game.I think it turned out to be the biggest flop in mmo history.



     

    NONSENSE. THe proof is the amount of sold boxes right at release. WOW killer was supposed to be WAR and AoC.

    Vanguard had 120k sold boxes first month.

    AoC had 750k first days

    WAR had 550k first days.

    There was no marketing of Vanguard that it should be a wow-killer, there were no adds, it was just you people who jump to every bandwagon that's going on.

     

    Um no we thought it was a WoW killer from the description and leaks and the developers blogs etc, not how many boxes it sold.

     

    It seems to me that from the description Vanguard was not going to be close to a WoW killer.

    A "must be in a group", harsher death penalty throw back to EQ.

    That is not what is going to kill WoW (though again, I will say that nothing is going to "kill" WoW). It might be what mmo vets might want but that is not what makes WoW so successful.

     

     

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,079

    WAR for sure.  To date DAOC was my favorite MMORPG (and not my first btw) and I had such high hopes that WAR was going to be a new, improved version of DAOC with a Warhammer skin.

    Instead we got a game that more closely resembled WOW in so many ways (IMO) and while fun for many people I'm sure, defintiely wasn't the game for me.

    For whatever reason, when playing DAOC I really felt like was living in a virtual  "world" and with WAR I always felt like I was just playing a "game".

     

     

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  • SalvatorisSalvatoris Member Posts: 1,360
    Originally posted by warpp

    Originally posted by Salvatoris


    I say Vanguard.
     
    It was over-promised under-delivered.  i had such high hopes for it, and it turned out not to be much like it was hyped at all.  Beyond that, it was barely playable at launch.
     
    Runners up would have to be AOC and Tabula Rasa.  All three games were hyped as something that they weren't.

    Barely playable for some not all.

    I would like to hear how you think it was under delivered because the game play was not the issue with VG it was the fact that many pc could not handle the engine plus it had bugs.

    They delivered everything they said they would ,it was the engine that gave it the bad reputation at the start.

     

    You obviously never played DNL or followed that game.

    www.darkandlight.com/en/



     

    Well, besides the shitty perfermance... the game was riddled with bugs and half implemented features.  It was bereft of content in certain level ranges and really just frustrating overall to try to grind levels out.   I understand that those issues have been addressed since then.  But I went back for some free trial time on my account a few months ago and It just feels pretty dated after playing AOC and WAR since leaving Vanguard after month 2.

    With DnL, I never expected much.. so I wasn't disappointed.  I never saw the appeal of that game and looked pretty amateurish all through it's development.

  • VengerVenger Member UncommonPosts: 1,309

    Cancelation of UO2.

  • warppwarpp Member Posts: 258
    Originally posted by Salvatoris

    Originally posted by warpp

    Originally posted by Salvatoris


    I say Vanguard.
     
    It was over-promised under-delivered.  i had such high hopes for it, and it turned out not to be much like it was hyped at all.  Beyond that, it was barely playable at launch.
     
    Runners up would have to be AOC and Tabula Rasa.  All three games were hyped as something that they weren't.

    Barely playable for some not all.

    I would like to hear how you think it was under delivered because the game play was not the issue with VG it was the fact that many pc could not handle the engine plus it had bugs.

    They delivered everything they said they would ,it was the engine that gave it the bad reputation at the start.

     

    You obviously never played DNL or followed that game.

    www.darkandlight.com/en/



     

    Well, besides the shitty perfermance... the game was riddled with bugs and half implemented features.  It was bereft of content in certain level ranges and really just frustrating overall to try to grind levels out.   I understand that those issues have been addressed since then.  But I went back for some free trial time on my account a few months ago and It just feels pretty dated after playing AOC and WAR since leaving Vanguard after month 2.

    With DnL, I never expected much.. so I wasn't disappointed.  I never saw the appeal of that game and looked pretty amateurish all through it's development.

    That's fair enough and i respect your view on VG but saying that it's dated  to WAR and AOC is a bit far fetched in my book. VG graphics blow WAR's out of the water all day long and in some places it blows AOC as well.

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  • AntariousAntarious Member UncommonPosts: 2,846

    Well I'm not going to talk about Sales or Subscriber bases etc... because I don't own stock in any of these companies so that has absolutely nothing to do with my perspective as a "player".

     

    The question is an opion question and as such this is what I'd say as of now 2009...

     

    After Ultima Online being my first MMOrpg... the absolute biggest let down for me was EverQuest.

     

    *gasp*   People will think how successful it was and totally miss the point....

     

    I liked UO... skill based game play... player economy... crafters could actually sell stuff etc...

     

    EQ opened the door to a market most companies hadn't thought of yet.  After EQ if you look at MMO's its the type of design most of them use.  This is NOT to say that EQ invented that "core design" it IS to say it was very successful in its time.... In fact in its time it was the most successful subscriber wise (for a western MMO).

     

    This is why *I* haven't had a game made for me in a long time .... so that's why *I* would personally say EQ...   I honestly hoped after being in UO that the next MMO would be like UO but taking everything and expanding on it.... EQ felt like they took a very narrow direction and went that way.

     

    So yes that is why to me EQ is the biggest let down in mmo history... most everything that followed was just like watching re-runs on TV.

     

    (just remember this is my personal opinion and you have to take it ... as being presented that way.. and not being some universal fact that everyone will agree with).

  • IVlonarchIVlonarch Member Posts: 44

    WAR was a pretty big let down.

    Darkfall was just the worst launch in gaming history, dont think many people actually believed DF would be nething.

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316

    Vanguard took two years to become acceptable, so people say ooh you should try vanguard now etc etc. No i dont want to try vanguard now I tried it after it came out and a year after it was out, it was garbage. In the mmorpg world first impression is everything and very very rare for a mmorpg to get a second chance.

  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    WAR gets my vote for biggest let down.

  • NovaKayneNovaKayne Member Posts: 743

    Vanguard.

     

    It was soooo much more in early beta than it became at release.

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  • DaakkonDaakkon Member UncommonPosts: 607

    there are quite a few games im going to list and maybe some patches that ruined games for me

     

    Asheron's Call 2 - I was so looking forward to this game expecting an AC1 with better graphics, while I did enjoy this game till it shut down it was nothing like AC1 and really didn't have much to do with AC at all, the lore was a mess, and microshit abandoned it.

     

    Dark and Light - Wow this game was hyped to be the best territorial pvp game of all time. Then I was invited to the beta and found out there was no gameplay or even a finished world, all you could do was run around and climb mountains, then it was released a month after they added in a combat system...this game had alot of potention but unfortunatly FAILED.

     

    Vanguard - This game was hyped to be the new age Everquest, and I remember back in the day the feeling of exploration I got from the old EQ1, this game was such an utter mess at launch, although it's quite good now but SOE is keeping it on life support

     

    Age of Conan - Here is another pvp game that  was hyped to be the best pvp game ever what an utter mess :( oh and the heavily instanced world kills it.

     

    Darkfall - Despite all the bullshit surrounding this game, I for one enjoy it quite a bit, it's the only game where I can jump on an afk swimmer and make him sink only to drown and loot him :) ...this game does have quite the numerous flaws, and the developers still lie about alot of the features, but it's fun

     

    Shadowbane - This is probably one of my most loved yet hated games of all time...all the hype surrounding this game with the events, the city building, the world design, etc.. still one of the best pvp games i've ever played and some of the funnest times (rip Shadowbane)

     

    EVE Online (Exodus Patch) - this patch was hailed as the game-fixing-improvement patch, which it did fix quite alot of issues, but it also made this game more carebear and lame...rip pre-exodus (sadface)

     

    im rambling on I could go on and on and on about many mmo's there really is no biggest let down, every game is a let down in some form or another...but if anybody here played SB, EVE, or even AO at launch and you think vanguard or aoc we're bad you should do some research ^^

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