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Will SOE learn from SWG so we in EQII dont feel it?
fuzzbrain
Member Posts: 70
in Everquest II
Do you guys think that SOE learned from the mistakes that occured in SWG. (i.e. launch sucked, bugs galore, etc..)
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All I think they have learned is how to spend the 50 bucks you will drop on release day on something other than making the game good.
I remember I went and bought SWG the day it came out and the damned servers never worked that day. Nobody got to play their 50 dollar game the day they bought it.
It was also quite unstable for a god while after that as well. SOE doesnt mind pumping out products that dont work right all they care about is that you buy it.
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I am putting my money on stable, but buggy,
There ability to launch a completed game is no mystery....they can't do it. I have been in the beta lately and very dissappointed with the zoning that you have to do in just the cities alone come on 10 zones for one city not to include the instant zones.
Hodster
Retired EQ player
awaiting WoW
Hodster
Retired EQ player
awaiting WoW
I don't think any mmorpg has been launched completed since they are always changing. The most you can hope for is stable which I believe EQ2 will be just the same as WoW. Will either be complete, doubt it, will both have problems of some kinda, yup you can bet money on that. Will the launches be failures, I doubt that to be honest. I hoe EQ2 has a great launch.
The cities are suppose to be just that cities. They have said their will only be two major cities and want them to be the center for player gathering so they have to be big, especially since each rach has its own section to live in and then there are suppose to be more to the city like quest givers, shops, etc. I'm glad that the cities have several zones, especially if they are giving people maps to the city.
EQ1 launch sucked
SWG launch sucked
I've seen reports that EQ2 will have no open beta (although I havn't followed up on those so I don't know if that is fact or rumor). If true, combined with their previous launch history, its a given they will have serious problems. If relased on Monday 11/15, we can probably expect to be playing well by that weekend.
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DAoC's launch went smoothly, though the game was pretty damn light on content, and us poor Hibs had to wait for god damned ever to get all of our dungeons itemized, but then Hib has been the red headed stepchild of DAoC since day 1, so that's not much of a surprise.
City of Heroes had an outstanding launch. And managed to find the content, although it's a pretty damn shallow game.
From what I've seen in beta, WoW will be plenty stable, as long as they have enough servers to handle the metric shit-ton of people trying to sign on all at once. SOE will need to expect the same thing. As it stands there are still lag/stability issues they're trying to pin down. They've been doing a decent job of hammering out the wrinkles out so far. Will it be ready for Nov 15th release? I still say that the game would benefit from an extra month or two of testing, and release in Jan. would be the preferable thing, but for some reason they insist on releasing for the Xmas season, even if it means releasing too soon. Which is wierd, because I don't see EQ2 attracting the actual casual crowd anymore than The Sims Online did, and the MMO community would buy the game anyway, whether it was Xmas, or not, so I don't see the rush.
Aside from pumping their Q4 earnings report, that is.
~Yeti
...Role Player since before D&D had their first hardcover books. (Simple and Advanced Editions rules!)
...has a very hard time keeping the same avatar.
...became disenchanted with SWG after a long long haul, but still dedicated to MMORPG's.
~Yeti
Don't be too hard on Starman...SOE has no one to blame but themselves for their dismal reputation. And though his SOE bashing does grow weary at times, I do like the fact that he is unwavering in his devotion to remind everyone of their track record. In the end, its for the best, because if you don't get your hopes up for a smooth launch, you won't be dissapointed when SOE continues their standard sub-standard launch performance. And if by some miracle, it goes smooth, well then...WOOHOO! Think of how more impressed we will all be with this game.
Think of it as expecting a lump of coal in your stocking on X-mas. Then when you get whatever crappy stocking-stuffer you get, it sure looks better than than that lump of coal you had in mind.
Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
I think my User Info describes my SOE experience/opinion, for me, very well. His continual rantings just makes him look like the Chewlies(sp?) Bubble Gum Salesman in "Clerks", and is very old and weak. lol Maybe he works for Blizzard, but his opinion matters not, he ruined his constructiveness long ago, heck, I even joined him in an SWG blows topic in the past, be cause it WAS constructive & accurate, not just vague company hating remarks. I highly doubt he spent anywhere NEAR what I did to SOE already, and yet I am giving them another chance.
sorry Doom, I am an optimist, not a pessimist.
~Yeti
...Role Player since before D&D had their first hardcover books. (Simple and Advanced Editions rules!)
...has a very hard time keeping the same avatar.
...became disenchanted with SWG after a long long haul, but still dedicated to MMORPG's.
~Yeti
No worries, Iowayeti. We are all entitled to our opinions. I have read many posts from Starman, but since I am newer here, probably not nearly as many. And I have already at times grown weary of his opinion on SOE. Well, not his opinion on it, but his constant restatement of it. I have too much in common, that I have seen, with his feelings toward SOE. For the most part, I agree with him.
But, here I am, in an EQ2 forum, steadily looking forward to its release. Not because I am brainwashed or anything, but because I TOO am an optimist. I see what SOE has come SO close to doing in the past. So close to making the best game I have ever played. So close...yet, so far away.
EQ was great, and I played for years, but I had major issues with it, so when other games solved them, I was gone. I wasn't upset with SOE, just dissapointed.
Then SWG, I was there, at launch, yeah baby. UGH! It was crap-tastic. And I gave it a few months, before I gave up. Always hoping for them to step up. That's when I became upset, they lost my faith with SWG.
Now here I am again...
I want to BELIEVE again, SOE.....won't you please restore my faith?
Alas, we can only wait. I hope they take their time and do it right. I don't care about th 50 bucks. If everyone pays the 50 bucks and leaves cause it sucks, it will still be a HORRID failure, one the game won't recover from. Costs too much to maintain. Takes a long while for an MMORPG to turn a profit, and the initial sales dont come close. I just want them to make a good game again, one that I can play for years and not be looking on to the next best thing.
Have they learned their lessons? Who knows, we shall see. They have all the real information they need to make this game great, its up to them if they have the will to use that information.
My glass is half full! Cya in game.
Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
I am pretty sure that the dev teams for SWG and EQII are a completly diffrent batch of people. They have diffrent teams of devs for diffrent games from what I have read.
Here is a fun little piece of info I found for all the chuckleheads complaining about how SOE will ruin the gaming world and all that crap. Vivendi Universal, the parent company of Blizzard and Sierra (two gaming names we know and love), announced a while back that they were going to sell their entire gaming division, that would include Blizzard and Sierra for those keeping score. Now boys and girls, can anyone guess who is top on the list to buy this division? Come on..Bueller......Bueller......thats right El Diablo itself, SOE. I am just dying to see the shit storm this will cause if it happens, and from what I have seen it is about 75% sure at this point.
LMAO, that would be great. That would be right up there with the comming of our Lord Jesus Christ and the entire world going to a one currency system at this point in time. I would love to see that to be honest.
This would seriously be something to see if this happens.
Ok, Vineyard. If SOE is not responsible for their bad reputation, who is?
Starman? Me? People like us? No, we don't carry that kinda weight. Could it be their notoriously poor customer service/support, or the fact that they release their games too early? I understand that every MMORPG won't be perfect when it comes out, but come on. They could do alot better.
I am not saying they are the worst developer, but they certainly aren't the best. And I hope with the release of EQ2 that they prove me wrong. I really do.
As for them taking over the other companies, part of me would find that hysterical. But, I am also against companies being bought out by the big corporations, forming monoplies, etc. But it would be most interesting to see what the WoW fanbois, and people who refuse to play any game by SOE will do once the games they play are under the SOE banner.
However, if the companies they buy still put out product that is, in my opionion, superior to those directly under the SOE banner, then sure I will still buy those. And if SOE direct releases still remain troubled like SWG, then I won't buy the ones under that banner. There is nothing idoitic about that, those are different teams working on different things, even if in the end the coin ends up in the same place.
So careful where you point the idiot finger, there may be a better target. Perhaps, in your mirror....
Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
As much as I'm hoping for a smooth launch day, I'd have to say think twice before skipping school/work to play on the first day.
There has always been bugs in lunches...it is part of the realse...then the players inform the DEVs and they fix them, it is the danger of getting a game upon lunch, if this is displeasing then don't buy a game so close to its lunch date...simple.
Just make sure you report anything that dosen't work correctly and any exploits that you find and the whole process goes alot faster.
I dont expect bugs but maybe a little lag.
Playing: Vanguard SoH
Played: EQ, Planetside, SWG, WoW, EQ2
whats up with that guy talking about bugs in his lunch...i think thats a personal problem.
anyways, i agree 100% with vineyard, i never had a single problem with thier customer support. all my questions/bugs/problems were solved and usually in a timely manner. as for launches i played EQ for 3 years, i started after the launch there, loved the game and the people. SWG i was there for launch, it was a little hard waiting to play for a day or two, but it wasnt the end of the world. crap happens, and i admit they screwed up the pvp quite a bit, i dont really like pvp so im biased on that. overall the games were very entertaining, and i played them both for quite some time. i like SOE and will continue to purchase thier products.
~Yeti
...Role Player since before D&D had their first hardcover books. (Simple and Advanced Editions rules!)
...has a very hard time keeping the same avatar.
...became disenchanted with SWG after a long long haul, but still dedicated to MMORPG's.
~Yeti
