I played SWG the first day no problem after going through their web registration pain, try logging into Lin2 open beta like Kain server after going LD, now that's pain.
BTW, EQ2 will have much better launch then WoW, I already see ppl in WoW forums arguing which class should be nerfed.
Originally posted by Neochrome I played SWG the first day no problem after going through their web registration pain, try logging into Lin2 open beta like Kain server after going LD, now that's pain. BTW, EQ2 will have much better launch then WoW, I already see ppl in WoW forums arguing which class should be nerfed.
I'm curious to know if you are in the beta for either game? If not, then how do you know which game will be more stable at launch? Because someone here said Game X is going to suck? Because you read some PR bullshit interviews at We'dSellOurFirstbornForAnInterview.com? Because you fell for the Dev's blowing sunshine up your ass, and promising you the world again?
Which one is it? I'm dying to know. This really applies to alot of people here on both sides of the fence, so don't think I'm picking on you specifically, Mr. Neochrome.
Bet your bippy my attitude sucks. I'm a mean person. I've come to terms with that. I have come to know and love my inner asshole. I accept him for who he is. Now that the Dr. Phil moment is out of the way...
It still doesn't validate the opinions of the WoW fans talking out of their ass, or the EQ2 fans for that matter.
Like I said, SWG had a problem with Web server trying to handle influx of people trying to register for the game. In my experience once you pass that hurdle game was pretty stable (with some minor bugs like inability to reuse the name if you deleted char). I was on Ventrilo with my guild and we actually had fun trying to log in. On the other hand, soon after they started "balancing" classes (Teras Kasi for example), which was much worst to bear. Fortunately EQ2 is not a PvP game so there should be much less issues with class balance.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
vinyard tons of people have good customer service. u just dont know when your wrong Doomsayer gave us tons of great reasons why SOE gameing reputation is there fault and what did you have to say about that? taht every one is to picky? so your saying that its our fault that SOE are a bunch of money hungry blowhards. Shut up dude and quit being so damn stupid
Biggest problems with SWG was the pos database. That's were 90% of the issues I had came from. The rest were from when I played a BH.
The fact that they essentially used UO for a template made the game totally impossible to balance, pvp or otherwise. How do you keep a BH from taking Pistoleer, and not being totally overpowered, without gimping a pure BH, or a pure Pistoleer, for example.
There was also the classes that were just borked from the get go, and took forever to get fixed, like Droid Engineers.
Or the often promised mythical combat balance patch.
Or the 'organic' Jedi system. And I still say Jedi were not in at launch, the hologrind was just a halfassed bandaid that was added about 6 months in, to keep people playing.
And there are things I missed, probably some I don't know about, as I didn't follow crafting.
I'm sure someone will be kind enough to point out at this juncture that there are two different teams on the games, though I think some of the EQ2 devs came over from SWG. Not 100% sure, though. Anyway. I'm seeing a couple things here and there that just raise flags for me. Warning signs that I've seen in the past. It's like watching the horror film, and you see the girl going down the dark staircase, and you know she's about to get it, and you just want to reach into the screen, and slap her. That's the sort of feeling I'm having now. Just want to grab the devs and tell them to please, god, don't listen to 'those' people. You've done it, time and time again in the past, and it's always gone wrong.
I will settle for them not releasing the game until they have the current issues worked out.
First off it is safe to assume that the "J" in your name stands for jerkoff. Second if you are one of the fools that just calls SOE money hungry blowhards then you are not realy worth bothering with. If SOE is so bad and they put out crap then shut the hell up and play WOW. And if you could read you would have seen that I never said it was anyones fault that SOE has a bad reputation, because they dont. The bad reputation tag is given by ignorant individuals. If there reputation was SO bad nobody would be buying their games....but they are, by the millions and so are you which makes you an idiot and a hipocrit to boot. One of the largest companies in the world with a bad reputation, give me a break little one. And you just being 17 you realy arent worth listening to. Call back when the other ball drops little boy.
Ok, just reviewed the posts here. Came to one conclusion. When it comes to Vineyard...
Disagree with Vineyard = he lables you an idiot
I guess he knows everything and no one else could possibly have valuable information to add if it anyway disagrees with wha the said. So I am done with him. I was trying to have an inteligent discussion but that can't happen with his kind of blatent labeling and name calling.
Oh, I am sure he will respond that he doesnt care, and I am sure he doesn't. Or that I said this just cause I couldn't come up with anything else, hes wrong...its just falling on a biased closed mind, so why waste my breath...or, fingers...as the case may be.
He always tells people to grow up and that in fact, exactly what he should do. Physician...heal thyself! Only thing sadder than telling some youngster to grow up, is acting as bad or worse than he, when you are much older.
To keep on topic....I don't hate SOE...and I am glad you never had an issues with them. But, I know MANY who have, including me. But I never said they are beyond hope. And I look forward to seeing how they show up in EQ2.
Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
One ,I never said you hate SOE Doomsayer. Two, if someone had something valid to say I would agree or just not bother. But when it comes to all the people that lay down these blanket statements about SOE or the game without knowing any better one must protest. If someone would say " I just dont like SOE for whatever reason do to what I have dealt with", that would be one thing entirely. But these "SOE is evil, money hungry, blah, blah, blah" are quite another matter altogether. I mean sweet gay jesus, are we all to fall to the whins of conjecture, speculation and nigh subterfuge on every topic. This is why most of the world sucks, because people let any asshole open up and let out whatever is on their mind because. Now, Doomsayer, I am not making an attack on you, nor have I, nor will I. Hell, I never made a referance to you at all. Your prior arguments seemed well thought out, even if I disagree with them on principal. Who I cannot pathom or stand are those I have already mentioned . If I had a problem with you I would have directed something right at you. But no, I have never seem you call SOE the evil beast or anyhting or incessently bitch about anything, not in the least. You have stated you opinions in a civilized manner. And though I disagree with you on a number of issues I have found no ire with you directly. The statement I have made before were directed at those that do just what I have aforementioned.
Originally posted by Vineyard One ,I never said you hate SOE Doomsayer. Two, if someone had something valid to say I would agree or just not bother. But when it comes to all the people that lay down these blanket statements about SOE or the game without knowing any better one must protest. If someone would say " I just dont like SOE for whatever reason do to what I have dealt with", that would be one thing entirely. But these "SOE is evil, money hungry, blah, blah, blah" are quite another matter altogether. I mean sweet gay jesus, are we all to fall to the whins of conjecture, speculation and nigh subterfuge on every topic. This is why most of the world sucks, because people let any asshole open up and let out whatever is on their mind because. Now, Doomsayer, I am not making an attack on you, nor have I, nor will I. Hell, I never made a referance to you at all. Your prior arguments seemed well thought out, even if I disagree with them on principal. Who I cannot pathom or stand are those I have already mentioned . If I had a problem with you I would have directed something right at you. But no, I have never seem you call SOE the evil beast or anyhting or incessently bitch about anything, not in the least. You have stated you opinions in a civilized manner. And though I disagree with you on a number of issues I have found no ire with you directly. The statement I have made before were directed at those that do just what I have aforementioned.
Or for the less verbose members of the audience: Don't talk shit without backing it up. And a story your sister humping half-cousin in the swamps of Louisiana heard does not constitute backing it up.
I think I know "as much, if not more" than anyone r.e. SWG, just see my user info for a list of my feats and wasted money. Hell, I deleted a Jedi that almost had the Knight Trials done, lol, never sold it or anything. Earn er own damned levels... lol I completed sooo many templates, all over SWG.
Intrepid, Bria, Chameara(sp?),ShadowFire, etc etc... lol I actuall;y almost reinstalled and reupped my 3 paid accts and Jedi this very day, but luckily my head screwed back on straight... whoa what a fricken nightmare than would have been. Not the can of worms I chose to swallow. and you kids need to relax, Cold and Vine are about two of the most knowledgeable and consistant posters I have seen here...
~Yeti ...Role Player for a long, long time. ...has a very hard time keeping the same avatar.
Originally posted by Vineyard Here is a fun little piece of info I found for all the chuckleheads complaining about how SOE will ruin the gaming world and all that crap. Vivendi Universal, the parent company of Blizzard and Sierra (two gaming names we know and love), announced a while back that they were going to sell their entire gaming division, that would include Blizzard and Sierra for those keeping score. Now boys and girls, can anyone guess who is top on the list to buy this division? Come on..Bueller......Bueller......thats right El Diablo itself, SOE. I am just dying to see the shit storm this will cause if it happens, and from what I have seen it is about 75% sure at this point.
The idiocy of this line of thinking is amazing... To be hoping to see the destruction of one of the last good gaming houses around right now, due to being swallowed up by the worst company around, in this slow decline in gaming quality which we've experienced since the 80s is BEYOND idiocy.
I don't know what else to say.. you're more blind than a naked molerat, and just as intelligent.
Edit: How long have you been gaming? Because you show yourself to either be too stupid to pick up on the obvious, or you haven't played games that long.
Also, you're an ass. Had to get that out of my system. I hate pricks like you who can't see your ass from your tongue and yet you still are foolish enough to spew crap from said location.
Originally posted by Vineyard First off it is safe to assume that the "J" in your name stands for jerkoff. Second if you are one of the fools that just calls SOE money hungry blowhards then you are not realy worth bothering with. If SOE is so bad and they put out crap then shut the hell up and play WOW. And if you could read you would have seen that I never said it was anyones fault that SOE has a bad reputation, because they dont. The bad reputation tag is given by ignorant individuals. If there reputation was SO bad nobody would be buying their games....but they are, by the millions and so are you which makes you an idiot and a hipocrit to boot. One of the largest companies in the world with a bad reputation, give me a break little one. And you just being 17 you realy arent worth listening to. Call back when the other ball drops little boy.
Not only that, you think that BIG = GOOD... Simplistic minds are easily swayed by the powers that be. If you had any clarity of vision you would see the error of your ways, but you don't, so all you can do is continue to put forth your bitter attitude, calling people "little one" and all of this.
If you've played any SOE games before, then obviously you are just plain idiotic.. if you haven't, you'll soon have a chance to learn, dumb one.. and at that time, you will say, "aaa..a hh.... duhhhhh... arrrhhh.. durrrr... I'm toopid!"
For one dipshit I never said I wanted the buyout to happen. I just said I would love to see what would happen if it did, pay attention to the words in front of you. To be honest I could gave a damn less who wins the buyout. And heres a bit of info, SOE is not the worst thing that could happen.I have been gaming since the early eighties, hell since the Comodor 64. And what the hell is this about me not being able to see the obvious? What in the far flung hell does that even mean? Prophetic you are not fool. And I love the way you back up your arguments by...um...oh yeah you didnt fucknut did you. Because you cant. And the destruction of what? all in all ,what the hell are you on about?
It seemed to me that you were saying that it would be funny if SOE took over some of the last good gaming houses around..
Sorry I just have a deep hatred for SOE and for someone to defend them so strongly and laugh about good gaming houses being swallowed up by them seemed very wrong to me.
Face it, they only care about making money. Gaming is being destroyed by corporate entities that only want money from games, and couldn't give a damn if they make a good game.
They screw the gamers to make a buck, and use underhanded methods to do it.
And then poeple like vineyard insult people who point it out, and laugh about it, and have a laugh about them possibly swallowing up some of the last good gaming houses around.
I may have been rather hostile in how I posted before, but this shit pisses me off.
And no I dont think Big = Good. Where the hell did you even get that? I just dont think SOE is bad, did you know, I highly doubt, that SONY and by default SOE is the WORLD LEADER, I repeat WORLD LEADER in gaming technologies. If is a fact that you could look up if you possessed the faculties to do such a thing. Patents for their products and technologies has been liscensed by thousands of companies, including Vivendi, who owns Blizzard who has implemented said technologies. These are FACTS asshole, pure and simple. If you can give me ONE provable method SOE has used to get your money I will apologize. BUt it has to be provable 100%. And any company that puts out a game wants your money!! They dont make games for the love of doing it, that is why the devs do it, not the company, any company. They are all out to make a profit, and SOE is no differant than any of them. So please stop the shit about the evil money hungry giant. I have an idea for you, contact Blizzard or any game company and tell them they shouldnt need your money do to your being a devoted gamer...then get back to me and tell me what they say.
It just seemed to you did it? I never said I would find anything funny. I dare you to find the word or comperable statement anywhere in that post. I said that I would love to see the shit storm it would cause. What that means for the understanding impared, is that I would love to see all the loyal BOO SOE, YEAH EVERYONE ELSE trying to find a way to bitch while still finding a deluded way to justify playing the games they had been playing before SOE took over.
Whats the way SOE is? Sweet gay jesus can you back up anything with a fucking real sentiment or logical thought or even a lucent ideal. Come on boy, give me something to work with here.
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I played SWG the first day no problem after going through their web registration pain, try logging into Lin2 open beta like Kain server after going LD, now that's pain.
BTW, EQ2 will have much better launch then WoW, I already see ppl in WoW forums arguing which class should be nerfed.
I'm curious to know if you are in the beta for either game? If not, then how do you know which game will be more stable at launch?
Because someone here said Game X is going to suck?
Because you read some PR bullshit interviews at We'dSellOurFirstbornForAnInterview.com?
Because you fell for the Dev's blowing sunshine up your ass, and promising you the world again?
Which one is it? I'm dying to know. This really applies to alot of people here on both sides of the fence, so don't think I'm picking on you specifically, Mr. Neochrome.
How about this: I know that games that have PvP are much harder to balance and for me game "launch" is more than just abilty to log into the game.
And another thing, your ATTITUDE sucks. And don't think I'm picking on you either.
Bet your bippy my attitude sucks. I'm a mean person. I've come to terms with that. I have come to know and love my inner asshole. I accept him for who he is. Now that the Dr. Phil moment is out of the way...
It still doesn't validate the opinions of the WoW fans talking out of their ass, or the EQ2 fans for that matter.
Like I said, SWG had a problem with Web server trying to handle influx of people trying to register for the game. In my experience once you pass that hurdle game was pretty stable (with some minor bugs like inability to reuse the name if you deleted char). I was on Ventrilo with my guild and we actually had fun trying to log in. On the other hand, soon after they started "balancing" classes (Teras Kasi for example), which was much worst to bear. Fortunately EQ2 is not a PvP game so there should be much less issues with class balance.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
That much out of my ass.
Biggest problems with SWG was the pos database. That's were 90% of the issues I had came from. The rest were from when I played a BH.
The fact that they essentially used UO for a template made the game totally impossible to balance, pvp or otherwise. How do you keep a BH from taking Pistoleer, and not being totally overpowered, without gimping a pure BH, or a pure Pistoleer, for example.
There was also the classes that were just borked from the get go, and took forever to get fixed, like Droid Engineers.
Or the often promised mythical combat balance patch.
Or the 'organic' Jedi system. And I still say Jedi were not in at launch, the hologrind was just a halfassed bandaid that was added about 6 months in, to keep people playing.
And there are things I missed, probably some I don't know about, as I didn't follow crafting.
I'm sure someone will be kind enough to point out at this juncture that there are two different teams on the games, though I think some of the EQ2 devs came over from SWG. Not 100% sure, though. Anyway. I'm seeing a couple things here and there that just raise flags for me. Warning signs that I've seen in the past. It's like watching the horror film, and you see the girl going down the dark staircase, and you know she's about to get it, and you just want to reach into the screen, and slap her. That's the sort of feeling I'm having now. Just want to grab the devs and tell them to please, god, don't listen to 'those' people. You've done it, time and time again in the past, and it's always gone wrong.
I will settle for them not releasing the game until they have the current issues worked out.
Ok, just reviewed the posts here. Came to one conclusion. When it comes to Vineyard...
Disagree with Vineyard = he lables you an idiot
I guess he knows everything and no one else could possibly have valuable information to add if it anyway disagrees with wha the said. So I am done with him. I was trying to have an inteligent discussion but that can't happen with his kind of blatent labeling and name calling.
Oh, I am sure he will respond that he doesnt care, and I am sure he doesn't. Or that I said this just cause I couldn't come up with anything else, hes wrong...its just falling on a biased closed mind, so why waste my breath...or, fingers...as the case may be.
He always tells people to grow up and that in fact, exactly what he should do. Physician...heal thyself! Only thing sadder than telling some youngster to grow up, is acting as bad or worse than he, when you are much older.
To keep on topic....I don't hate SOE...and I am glad you never had an issues with them. But, I know MANY who have, including me. But I never said they are beyond hope. And I look forward to seeing how they show up in EQ2.
Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
Or for the less verbose members of the audience: Don't talk shit without backing it up. And a story your sister humping half-cousin in the swamps of Louisiana heard does not constitute backing it up.
I think I know "as much, if not more" than anyone r.e. SWG, just see my user info for a list of my feats and wasted money. Hell, I deleted a Jedi that almost had the Knight Trials done, lol, never sold it or anything. Earn er own damned levels... lol I completed sooo many templates, all over SWG.
Intrepid, Bria, Chameara(sp?),ShadowFire, etc etc... lol
I actuall;y almost reinstalled and reupped my 3 paid accts and Jedi this very day, but luckily my head screwed back on straight... whoa what a fricken nightmare than would have been. Not the can of worms I chose to swallow. and you kids need to relax, Cold and Vine are about two of the most knowledgeable and consistant posters I have seen here... 
~Yeti
...Role Player for a long, long time.
...has a very hard time keeping the same avatar.
~Yeti
That's because we're secretly the same person.
~Yeti
...Role Player for a long, long time.
...has a very hard time keeping the same avatar.
~Yeti
The idiocy of this line of thinking is amazing... To be hoping to see the destruction of one of the last good gaming houses around right now, due to being swallowed up by the worst company around, in this slow decline in gaming quality which we've experienced since the 80s is BEYOND idiocy.
I don't know what else to say.. you're more blind than a naked molerat, and just as intelligent.
Edit: How long have you been gaming? Because you show yourself to either be too stupid to pick up on the obvious, or you haven't played games that long.
Also, you're an ass. Had to get that out of my system. I hate pricks like you who can't see your ass from your tongue and yet you still are foolish enough to spew crap from said location.
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
Not only that, you think that BIG = GOOD... Simplistic minds are easily swayed by the powers that be. If you had any clarity of vision you would see the error of your ways, but you don't, so all you can do is continue to put forth your bitter attitude, calling people "little one" and all of this.
If you've played any SOE games before, then obviously you are just plain idiotic.. if you haven't, you'll soon have a chance to learn, dumb one.. and at that time, you will say, "aaa..a hh.... duhhhhh... arrrhhh.. durrrr... I'm toopid!"
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
It seemed to me that you were saying that it would be funny if SOE took over some of the last good gaming houses around..
Sorry I just have a deep hatred for SOE and for someone to defend them so strongly and laugh about good gaming houses being swallowed up by them seemed very wrong to me.
Face it, they only care about making money. Gaming is being destroyed by corporate entities that only want money from games, and couldn't give a damn if they make a good game.
They screw the gamers to make a buck, and use underhanded methods to do it.
And then poeple like vineyard insult people who point it out, and laugh about it, and have a laugh about them possibly swallowing up some of the last good gaming houses around.
I may have been rather hostile in how I posted before, but this shit pisses me off.
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
If you can't see that that's the way that SOE is, then you're an idiot.
That's the basic premise of my argument.
And you can't, so... there you go.
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.