OP isnt far from the mark IMO. not that i'm really pissed this game doesnt appeal to me...it wasnt built to. while bioware has made a couple of games i liked i was never a fanboi for them. i thought mass effect was boring. too linear. but then again that game was built for the same playerbase this one is. the instant gratification console kiddies. fine by me seing as most of the devs associated with the last star wars mmo are working on this one and i already know they dont know what they are doing.
and as far as bioware is concerned yeah you should worry. making a linear single player game is a far cry from maintaining a live mmo. this will be baptisim by fire indeed.
I would still wonder why you treat your opinion about the game as fact, while disreguarding anything the rest of us say?
How can a game not even in Beta, be a failure? I am really curious. Are WAR/AoC Failures also because they don't have 11 million people?
It's great you have an opinion. Everyone does. But again, why is your opinion fact in this case that you so loudly troll it to be? Why do you put down a game that is not out? Why not want a game to do good in its own right? If people are not going to like it, they could try it and find out, whenever it comes out. But you felt the need to post "the truth" and not an opinion.
I really think that is why you are getting such replies that resort to name calling. The way you troll/speak in this thread, in my opinion is rather inciting to some people. Of course, those of us that are not name calling you, we are just wrong, or our opinions are totally incorrect?
If you came onto this forum and said, I sure won't like this game, for what I THINK<---- may happen, and here are my reasons for feeling that way, well, I doubt you would get such replies. But a troll is a troll is a troll I guess.
Seems like every new mmo coming out is going to "Fail". You cant always please everyone, the game will apeal to some, and turn off others....hmmm sounds like every single game ever made in existance. It looks cool, might bring a few things new to the table, it might not. We will just have to see when it gets launched. Until then, shut up. These kinds of posts arent helping anyone.
New trailer looked sweet and awesome. But what is a cinematics trailer for a game? Nothing. Once you play the game it won't matter. Cinematics trailers are just fun. And this one rivalled some of the best cinematics I have seen.
But truth is that Bioware is still keeping major parts of what this game is about under wraps. But for sure some things can be concluded now: 1. Classes. Players will be stuck in one class.
Seems to be eight classes. Jedi: Trooper, Jedi, Smuggler | Sith: Sith, Bounty Hunter 2. Factions. Players will be stuck in a faction - nothings points to mobility in allegiance.
Some will add: SWG didn't have it at launch, but this isn't 2003. Market is now very over-saturated with mmos and will be even more in a few years. Companies like Funcom counts on selling just enough copies at launch to give them a surplus. They know their games don't have lasting potential. ToR will have even less longevity than AoC. 4. Instances. Hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised they go the way of AoC. 5. Crafting. Bioware states time and time again that this game is about story and heroes. Crafting is not part of their thought-proces. It isn't that slick, so why include it. Crafting is about creating your OWN story. And Bioware's idea of story-telling is that THEY need to direct your story. 6. Non-combat classes. This game will center on heroes. Meaning, vanilla gameplay with limited options. Don't expect anything but minor non-combat skills. 7. Release date. Not going to be before 2011. These games always get postponed. Just wait and see. Could even be later. 8. Gameplay linear? Yes it will be. While technically possible to create great stories in a non-linear environment. 9. Housing? Player Cities? Housing and player cities also goes against the grain of their story-driven mmo where players are heroes, not housebuilder or crafters. 10. Combat system. Not much is known. But it will be smaller variety on the WoW/EQ formula. Sort of like other games like TCoS or AoC tries to change the formula. Don't expect something truly different, but something towards those lines. Maybe with a few twitch elements here and there. 11. Jedis. This time period is chosen to appeal to all the kids who wants to have a light-saber swining jedi (or sith). It is the lowest common denominator. There is no two ways about. But the uniqueness of the jedi character will drown in the multitudes of them after a while. Will that feeling of "wow a lightsaber" last? 12. PvP. A bit unclear. Except it to be children friendly. But since it is factional there must be some. A cross between WoW and WAR is not unheard of. Can anyone honestly expect something more hardcore with the direction this game is taking? 13. Graphics. Most likely next-gen graphics. Some improvements on existing ways of doing it. Maybe similar to AoC quality.
Conclusion: This game is the NGE that LA always wanted. It will be linear, story-driven, have few hours of longevity, cater to the light-saber crowds, kids - tie in with graphical style of the Clone Wars, little crafting, not hardcore pvp, not many options, but lots of hand-holding and lead you through the maze.. Some might now jump in and say that it is guess-work, that we don't know all the facts; that maybe there will be deep crafting, hardcore pvp, housing, space flight etc. But these comments are ignorant and nothing to do with the truth. Truth is that the path of TOR is already set and it is set up for eye candy and a hollow gameplay. Not a real MMO as it won't be that massive or free. Games make and break at launch now. There is no time to make space six to twelve months after (and what good did it really do SWG in the long run). There is no time to make that expansion that fixes all the problems (WAR + AoC). Either you make it or you will suffer a slow, suffocating death. Bioware has taken the easy route of doing everything as simple and dumped-down as possible. It won't be hardcore pvp, it won't be massive diverse game with many play-options like crafting and non-combat professions. What game companies does not understand is that the whole foundation of mmos is built around the principle that players should have the option of doing what THEY want in the game. Interact in many ways and not just kill-botting each other or npcs over and over. The combat oriented gamer should want the crafters and non-combatees to give flair and atmosphere to their game - to be able to interact with when needing an armour or a new weapon. This is what breathes life into the genre. What Bioware is doing is to put one more nail in the mmo genre coffin. This game might get close to a million boxes sold or even 1.5 - but in the end it will be like many other mmos out there with empty, EMPTY servers after six months. People will buy it for the name, Star Wars, but leave when they see there is no freedom in this game. For Bioware it will mean not only breaking even, but also making a big chunk of cash - but for the players - the gaming community - it is just one more way to kill PC gaming..
Draccan
wow can we say propaganda. Everything you stated is opinion and we all know what opinions are like.
Nah. He's perfectly right. That's the way this game is going to be in the eyes of the sandbox/SWG pre-CU/UO crowd. It will be a failure because it doesn't cater to their tastes and thus, can't be good.
Everyone else....well, I'd advise people, as usual, to stay put and wait. As i said before, BioWare has a big chunk of respect from me, simply because so far, they have never disappointed me with a game, so I am fairly optimistic about this one. That the trailer doesn't tell anything about the game, is just common sense.
And that in the end, people should wait for the final product to be just around the corner to make up their minds is also common sense. Except for the sandbox/UO crowd. Because for them, this game is definately not the one. I don't say this with a sense of anger or hatred towards those people, but just as a statement of fact.
Cheers.
I would probably fit in the "pre-cu/pre-nge" fanboi mold. Yet I'm still looking forward to this game. If there's absolutely no pvp, it will be a shame. This has all the workings of a good rvr engine, a chance to make a true galatic war that SWG was never able to do beyond a joke.
Bioware has done outstanding jobs in creating immersion in the single player RPG's they've done. Overall, that's what an MMO needs to do for the playerbase. Make them feel part of something. Some of the things they are trying I like from the RP standpoint in making a real story.
And being honest, I do not think many of us who loved pre-cu would accept the pre-cu if it were launched today in the state it was. The lack of polish, and the simple fact it is dated. So I'm willing to see what this thing does.
I really have no idea why I still come to these forums...
I agree, these types of unfounded posts cropping up about every popular game is getting a little old.
Even the Darkfall forums have lost their fun.
Edit: I have no problem with speculation and thinking a game is not going to do well. What I do have a problem with is posters like the OP completely making up "facts" that have absolutely no basis in reality or what we know about the game. Then for weeks/months from now the sheep that visit the forums will quote the OP as gospel like he is a visitor from the future who actually knows what he's talking about.
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New trailer looked sweet and awesome. But what is a cinematics trailer for a game? Nothing. Once you play the game it won't matter. Cinematics trailers are just fun. And this one rivalled some of the best cinematics I have seen.
But truth is that Bioware is still keeping major parts of what this game is about under wraps. But for sure some things can be concluded now: 1. Classes. Players will be stuck in one class.
Seems to be eight classes. Jedi: Trooper, Jedi, Smuggler | Sith: Sith, Bounty Hunter 2. Factions. Players will be stuck in a faction - nothings points to mobility in allegiance.
Some will add: SWG didn't have it at launch, but this isn't 2003. Market is now very over-saturated with mmos and will be even more in a few years. Companies like Funcom counts on selling just enough copies at launch to give them a surplus. They know their games don't have lasting potential. ToR will have even less longevity than AoC. 4. Instances. Hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised they go the way of AoC. 5. Crafting. Bioware states time and time again that this game is about story and heroes. Crafting is not part of their thought-proces. It isn't that slick, so why include it. Crafting is about creating your OWN story. And Bioware's idea of story-telling is that THEY need to direct your story. 6. Non-combat classes. This game will center on heroes. Meaning, vanilla gameplay with limited options. Don't expect anything but minor non-combat skills. 7. Release date. Not going to be before 2011. These games always get postponed. Just wait and see. Could even be later. 8. Gameplay linear? Yes it will be. While technically possible to create great stories in a non-linear environment. 9. Housing? Player Cities? Housing and player cities also goes against the grain of their story-driven mmo where players are heroes, not housebuilder or crafters. 10. Combat system. Not much is known. But it will be smaller variety on the WoW/EQ formula. Sort of like other games like TCoS or AoC tries to change the formula. Don't expect something truly different, but something towards those lines. Maybe with a few twitch elements here and there. 11. Jedis. This time period is chosen to appeal to all the kids who wants to have a light-saber swining jedi (or sith). It is the lowest common denominator. There is no two ways about. But the uniqueness of the jedi character will drown in the multitudes of them after a while. Will that feeling of "wow a lightsaber" last? 12. PvP. A bit unclear. Except it to be children friendly. But since it is factional there must be some. A cross between WoW and WAR is not unheard of. Can anyone honestly expect something more hardcore with the direction this game is taking? 13. Graphics. Most likely next-gen graphics. Some improvements on existing ways of doing it. Maybe similar to AoC quality.
Conclusion: This game is the NGE that LA always wanted. It will be linear, story-driven, have few hours of longevity, cater to the light-saber crowds, kids - tie in with graphical style of the Clone Wars, little crafting, not hardcore pvp, not many options, but lots of hand-holding and lead you through the maze.. Some might now jump in and say that it is guess-work, that we don't know all the facts; that maybe there will be deep crafting, hardcore pvp, housing, space flight etc. But these comments are ignorant and nothing to do with the truth. Truth is that the path of TOR is already set and it is set up for eye candy and a hollow gameplay. Not a real MMO as it won't be that massive or free. Games make and break at launch now. There is no time to make space six to twelve months after (and what good did it really do SWG in the long run). There is no time to make that expansion that fixes all the problems (WAR + AoC). Either you make it or you will suffer a slow, suffocating death. Bioware has taken the easy route of doing everything as simple and dumped-down as possible. It won't be hardcore pvp, it won't be massive diverse game with many play-options like crafting and non-combat professions. What game companies does not understand is that the whole foundation of mmos is built around the principle that players should have the option of doing what THEY want in the game. Interact in many ways and not just kill-botting each other or npcs over and over. The combat oriented gamer should want the crafters and non-combatees to give flair and atmosphere to their game - to be able to interact with when needing an armour or a new weapon. This is what breathes life into the genre. What Bioware is doing is to put one more nail in the mmo genre coffin. This game might get close to a million boxes sold or even 1.5 - but in the end it will be like many other mmos out there with empty, EMPTY servers after six months. People will buy it for the name, Star Wars, but leave when they see there is no freedom in this game. For Bioware it will mean not only breaking even, but also making a big chunk of cash - but for the players - the gaming community - it is just one more way to kill PC gaming..
Draccan
Since you seem to have a crystal ball or some kind of future tuned ESP can you give me next months Lotto number please? If not, that wall of text seems like a waste of keystrokes to me. ToR will be somewhere on the spectrum of great to suck for sure but only a complete asshat would proclaim to know where it will sit on that scale now.
In all reality I'm so over the overdramtic geek squads who cry about games before they come out. Really.... Over... It... This used to be a place where people could go to get an honest opinion about a game they were interested in now. I think its time to move to a new web site. When it comes out, try it, if you don't like it give your reasons and move on. If its not out yet and still in development, let's not wet ourselves yet.
Phew that felt better.
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Made an account for this site just to refute your claims, that's how out of touch I think you are.
1. Classes. SWG's unique ability to allow you to change your class on well established character was truly niche. For those that aren't aware, most of SWG's features have only ever existed in SWG, sorry to break it to you. Classes likely will have that Wow-esque feel for better or for worse. My only fear is that having 4 classes on each side would cause lots of redundancy, but I"m open to see where Bioware's headed.
2. Factions. Once again, Wow-esque. God forbid you roll another toon. As for the treaty? Have you ever heard of that treaty that North and South Korea signed? Exactly. Skirmishes will abound, in some form or another.
3. Space. Jump to Lightspeed made SWG that much better and is easily the best part to come out of that MMO. I would be surprised if Bioware hasn't put some thought into a space expansion. Patience is a virtue. Longevity? They haven't even announced anything related to end-game.
4. Instances. You really have no idea. None of us do. So don't try until we hear something else.
5. Crafting. They've officially announced just two classes. Why would they talk about what you can craft right now?
6. Non-combat classes. Regrettably, you're right with this one. But it doesn't mean it's going to be bad.
7. Release date. 2011? The would mean a 5 year development cycle. With the game being based on the Hero engine, meaning a good amount of the work is already done, I would be surprised if it's not released summer or fall of next year.
8. Gameplay linear? While Bioware's recent titles haven't been shining examples of open-ended gameplay (Mass Effect tried, and was meh on it's optional content), MMOs are too big not to have lots of options. But if you're expecting anything different from many different quest chains, which EVERYTHING does, then your loss. Nevertheless, I get the feeling that you have never played a Bioware title. Your decisions matter greatly and will affect what happens in the game. That alone gives it a bit more depth than Galaxies and Wow put together.
9. Housing? Player Cities? Yeah, your second point out of nine that's very likely to be right. But come on, go build a real house or something.
10. Combat system. Honestly, the only way to effectively pull of the Star Wars feel is for something like a first person shooter. If that's your game style, then great, if not, then go play EVE.
11. Jedis. At least they won't ge their lightsabers until failry into the game, but yes, this will always be the great fear. But Bioware is intelligent enough to hopefully balance it out. Although the Trooper class does make me laugh.
12. PvP. It'll have a teen rating, Episode III was PG-13, and KOTOR was rated T as are most Star Wars games today. Expect something violent, just without any blood. Which, honestly, is all you can really expect. And as NOTHING has been announced to date, you once again, really have no idea.
13. Graphics. "Most likely next-gen graphics. Some improvements on existing ways of doing it. Maybe similar to AoC quality." Just go look a screenshot. They're going for a bit of a cartoony feel to hopefully make the game feel a bit more timeless, which is a fair direction with their art. Games that go for that realistic feel ALWAYS feel outdated a mere 2 years later.
Conclusion: You've basically listed everything from SWG that everyone wants back, but it's not happening. In any game. Ever. Basically, you have to withold judgement until more information becomes available about pvp and end-game content.
As for everyone that suddenly thinks this is best thing since sliced bread because of that trailer, go away or quit early, because I want to be able to enjoy the game like everyone else who's been following it since it's announcement. (Makes me elitist? Already? Well, don't care.)
You do yourself a huge misdeed if you are still in bed with SWG.
Sadly the OP might be right. What we've seen so far isn't really all that impressive in the way of the game itself. It seems there will not be much variety in weapons for like the Trooper class - beyond color schemes. Armor seems a variation of the same. The fact that there seems to be no space combat (ship-to-ship) is sad. I dunno. I will wait and see what they show us on Wednesday...but to be honest I do not think it will be all that impressive. God I hope I am wrong.
The only thing that is epic is the premature failgasims by jaded gamers. Here is a thought; how about forming an opinion after you actually play a game? Like oh my god what a concept!!!
The shill is strong with this one.
Here's my guess, most of the people saying this game is fail will be playing TOR within the first year after they here how much fun people are having in it. Some may even be outside Bestbuy standing in line for the midnight launch. xD
Noooooo people having fun in SWTOR no that cant be right *checks crystal ball* see it says TOR will fail, no point in talking about this anymore Im gonna call Biwoare in the morning and tell them to just close up shop in Austin.
Anyways I highly doubt it will relase later then fall of 2010. Imo they should go for a late spring or early summer relase and then just dominate the gaming world from Dragon Age release to ME2 to TOR now that would be a awesome year of gaming.
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New trailer looked sweet and awesome. But what is a cinematics trailer for a game? Nothing. Once you play the game it won't matter. Cinematics trailers are just fun. And this one rivalled some of the best cinematics I have seen.
But truth is that Bioware is still keeping major parts of what this game is about under wraps. But for sure some things can be concluded now: 1. Classes. Players will be stuck in one class.
Seems to be eight classes. Jedi: Trooper, Jedi, Smuggler | Sith: Sith, Bounty Hunter 2. Factions. Players will be stuck in a faction - nothings points to mobility in allegiance.
Some will add: SWG didn't have it at launch, but this isn't 2003. Market is now very over-saturated with mmos and will be even more in a few years. Companies like Funcom counts on selling just enough copies at launch to give them a surplus. They know their games don't have lasting potential. ToR will have even less longevity than AoC. 4. Instances. Hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised they go the way of AoC. 5. Crafting. Bioware states time and time again that this game is about story and heroes. Crafting is not part of their thought-proces. It isn't that slick, so why include it. Crafting is about creating your OWN story. And Bioware's idea of story-telling is that THEY need to direct your story. 6. Non-combat classes. This game will center on heroes. Meaning, vanilla gameplay with limited options. Don't expect anything but minor non-combat skills. 7. Release date. Not going to be before 2011. These games always get postponed. Just wait and see. Could even be later. 8. Gameplay linear? Yes it will be. While technically possible to create great stories in a non-linear environment. 9. Housing? Player Cities? Housing and player cities also goes against the grain of their story-driven mmo where players are heroes, not housebuilder or crafters. 10. Combat system. Not much is known. But it will be smaller variety on the WoW/EQ formula. Sort of like other games like TCoS or AoC tries to change the formula. Don't expect something truly different, but something towards those lines. Maybe with a few twitch elements here and there. 11. Jedis. This time period is chosen to appeal to all the kids who wants to have a light-saber swining jedi (or sith). It is the lowest common denominator. There is no two ways about. But the uniqueness of the jedi character will drown in the multitudes of them after a while. Will that feeling of "wow a lightsaber" last? 12. PvP. A bit unclear. Except it to be children friendly. But since it is factional there must be some. A cross between WoW and WAR is not unheard of. Can anyone honestly expect something more hardcore with the direction this game is taking? 13. Graphics. Most likely next-gen graphics. Some improvements on existing ways of doing it. Maybe similar to AoC quality.
Conclusion: This game is the NGE that LA always wanted. It will be linear, story-driven, have few hours of longevity, cater to the light-saber crowds, kids - tie in with graphical style of the Clone Wars, little crafting, not hardcore pvp, not many options, but lots of hand-holding and lead you through the maze.. Some might now jump in and say that it is guess-work, that we don't know all the facts; that maybe there will be deep crafting, hardcore pvp, housing, space flight etc. But these comments are ignorant and nothing to do with the truth. Truth is that the path of TOR is already set and it is set up for eye candy and a hollow gameplay. Not a real MMO as it won't be that massive or free. Games make and break at launch now. There is no time to make space six to twelve months after (and what good did it really do SWG in the long run). There is no time to make that expansion that fixes all the problems (WAR + AoC). Either you make it or you will suffer a slow, suffocating death. Bioware has taken the easy route of doing everything as simple and dumped-down as possible. It won't be hardcore pvp, it won't be massive diverse game with many play-options like crafting and non-combat professions. What game companies does not understand is that the whole foundation of mmos is built around the principle that players should have the option of doing what THEY want in the game. Interact in many ways and not just kill-botting each other or npcs over and over. The combat oriented gamer should want the crafters and non-combatees to give flair and atmosphere to their game - to be able to interact with when needing an armour or a new weapon. This is what breathes life into the genre. What Bioware is doing is to put one more nail in the mmo genre coffin. This game might get close to a million boxes sold or even 1.5 - but in the end it will be like many other mmos out there with empty, EMPTY servers after six months. People will buy it for the name, Star Wars, but leave when they see there is no freedom in this game. For Bioware it will mean not only breaking even, but also making a big chunk of cash - but for the players - the gaming community - it is just one more way to kill PC gaming..
Draccan
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15. Life. Only a bitterly cruel ghost image of happier days past. Must drive car into abutment at high rate of speed.
What a complete wanker...
I thought the video was great. Hopefully, it's indicative of how much effort and resources are going to be pumped into the development of this game. You'd have to be a slackjawed mouthbreather to write this game off already.
It is sort of funny to see that fans get so defensive over this and retort to name-calling and using the same old arguments about crystal balls..
You fail to see the bigger picture.
Bioware is aiming at the lowest common denominator with this game. I am sure it will look good, have voice-acting (but not 100% as was promised) and be sort of polished at release. But look at the demographics here.
Who here really believes this game will cater to either mmo veterans? It is aimed at young audience, who either never played an mmo and those who have played WoW.
There is such much likeness between the two. WoW and ToR.
I don't say SW: TOR won't make any money, but I am saying that as a gamer I feel it is hurting the industry by mass-producing more of the same old that is over-saturating the market.
I have been following mmos that are under construction. I stopped updating my mmorpg.com post a long while ago and the numbers of announced mmos have exploded ever since. With E3 even more titles are announced.
So what is the effect of all these mmos? I think less and less of them will survive in the long run. Games will run for shorter spins and unsuccesful ones will be closed sooner (as with TR) instead of lingering for years.
I also feel that mmos will change and more of them will indeed be story-based and created for being played for some months - as with ToR. Essentially like multi-player games without the massive part.
Ohhhhhhhhh cute! Look at the little angry SWG vet, his ranting is soooo cuuuutee and funny. Look how he is pretending to know the future like a cute little mmo businessman. Hey sweetie, can I have your mmo stuff?
Original poster why have you come on to these forums sharing your assumptions with us and trying to force your opinions which are irrelevant onto us. This is not a "fail" game as you internet people like to say, it has already gathered thousands of peoples interests all over the world and your pathetic attempt to try and sway people from liking this game is silly.
I'm not saying you should'nt express your opinions (not made up facts) but you should'nt use titles like you have, its asking for trouble.
So read this very carefully.
Fuck you.
Isn't it funny how a quick search for testicular cancer can turn into a wank.
It is sort of funny to see that fans get so defensive over this and retort to name-calling and using the same old arguments about crystal balls.. Um... ok. The crystal ball statement is because you are making very bold claims with absolutely no proof. They could just have easily cut to the chase and tell you you have no idea what you are talking about, you have no proof, you are a liar. But they were trying to be nice about it. The problem is with your writing style. You are speaking in absolutes, it comes off sounding like you have factual information but everything you say is just your own opinion. You fail to see the bigger picture. Bioware is aiming at the lowest common denominator with this game. See what I mean? That's your opinion, thanks for sharing. I am sure it will look good Again your opinion considering no one outside of Bioware has seen any actual gameplay. have voice-acting (but not 100% as was promised) What? Thanks for sharing another opinion. and be sort of polished at release. But look at the demographics here. Who here really believes this game will cater to either mmo veterans? I believe the game will cater to people who like Bioware games. Because, you know, that's who's making the game? It is aimed at young audience, who either never played an mmo and those who have played WoW. Says who? Oh right, just you. Again with presenting your opinion as an absolute. There is such much likeness between the two. WoW and ToR. Really? Like what? I don't say SW: TOR won't make any money, but I am saying that as a gamer I feel it is hurting the industry by mass-producing more of the same old that is over-saturating the market. Your opinion is stated here again. There is absolutely no proof that TOR will or won't do anything new with the genre. I would consider the Smuggler's cover combat mechanic, consequence driven quests, and 100% voice acting (for immersion) some things that are new. But, that's just my opinion. I have been following mmos that are under construction. I stopped updating my mmorpg.com post a long while ago and the numbers of announced mmos have exploded ever since. With E3 even more titles are announced. So what is the effect of all these mmos? I think less and less of them will survive in the long run. Games will run for shorter spins and unsuccesful ones will be closed sooner (as with TR) instead of lingering for years. You make it sound like competition and having a choice of what games to play is a bad thing. I also feel that mmos will change and more of them will indeed be story-based and created for being played for some months - as with ToR. Essentially like multi-player games without the massive part. I see no evidence that the whole MMO genre is going more story-based. TOR is the only MMO game that is currently in development taking this bold approach. Everything else is either another EQ rehash or a sandbox game trying to do something truly unique. What other story-based MMO games are you referring to?
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
It is sort of funny to see that fans get so defensive over this and retort to name-calling and using the same old arguments about crystal balls.. Um... ok. The crystal ball statement is because you are making very bold claims with absolutely no proof. They could just have easily cut to the chase and tell you you have no idea what you are talking about, you have no proof, you are a liar. But they were trying to be nice about it. The problem is with your writing style. You are speaking in absolutes, it comes off sounding like you have factual information but everything you say is just your own opinion. DRACCAN: Let's see when we get to beta, who is right and who is wrong. You fail to see the bigger picture. Bioware is aiming at the lowest common denominator with this game. See what I mean? That's your opinion, thanks for sharing. You are welcome. You fail to counter that the game is aiming at the lowest common denominator. Could the bar be any lower? I am sure it will look good Again your opinion considering no one outside of Bioware has seen any actual gameplay. Check out the IGN article, hands on with the actual game. In a weird way it really supports everything I said so far and countered nothing. have voice-acting (but not 100% as was promised) What? Thanks for sharing another opinion. Well obviously if you followed many other mmos under development like I have (and beta'ed quite a few) you would see that what they say is in the box is not always IN the box. Really do you imagine that every little tiny quest and npc and vendor will have voice acting? If they do it will probably mean the game scope is even more narrow (limited amount of contacts, npcs). They always over-promise, over-hype their games. and be sort of polished at release. But look at the demographics here. Who here really believes this game will cater to either mmo veterans? I believe the game will cater to people who like Bioware games. Because, you know, that's who's making the game? Wrong. It is catering to the younger Star Wars fans and the general (not the hardcore) WoW crowd. It is aimed at young audience, who either never played an mmo and those who have played WoW. Says who? Oh right, just you. Again with presenting your opinion as an absolute.
All the game info released incl. graphical design points to I am right. Go find it. There is such much likeness between the two. WoW and ToR. Really? Like what? I mentioned this many times. Classes, levels, light pvp (placed in the timeline with no real full scale war yet). Combat system (see IGN) is pretty much your EQ/WoW variety with some small changes (just like I said - again see the IGN article today). I don't say SW: TOR won't make any money, but I am saying that as a gamer I feel it is hurting the industry by mass-producing more of the same old that is over-saturating the market. Your opinion is stated here again. There is absolutely no proof that TOR will or won't do anything new with the genre. I would consider the Smuggler's cover combat mechanic, consequence driven quests, and 100% voice acting (for immersion) some things that are new. But, that's just my opinion. You didn't address the points at all. And no voice-acting was in EQ and is not new. Maybe 100% would be new, but by no means innovative for the gameplay. Cutscenes really well into a game that is linear, but remember some of the problems AoC had with cutscenes and getting attacked while in them? We haven't really seen the Smuggler's cover combat mechanic, but relying on IGN the combat will be smooth but offer just a little variety on the old theme. I have been following mmos that are under construction. I stopped updating my mmorpg.com post a long while ago and the numbers of announced mmos have exploded ever since. With E3 even more titles are announced. So what is the effect of all these mmos? I think less and less of them will survive in the long run. Games will run for shorter spins and unsuccesful ones will be closed sooner (as with TR) instead of lingering for years. You make it sound like competition and having a choice of what games to play is a bad thing. I claim the opposite. Competition is good, but developers are chasing the fat goose so hard they keep fostering rotten eggs. My claim is that competition would be developers striving at creating the highest level of quality and following through on their creations and not release before time. Too many of them start out with limited funding and break their necks. Even Mythic sort of admits their failure.
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I think the problem is that more games does not always mean more choice I also feel that mmos will change and more of them will indeed be story-based and created for being played for some months - as with ToR. Essentially like multi-player games without the massive part. I see no evidence that the whole MMO genre is going more story-based. TOR is the only MMO game that is currently in development taking this bold approach. Everything else is either another EQ rehash or a sandbox game trying to do something truly unique. I am sorry but Tor IS a EQ/WoW re-hash with more focus on story. What other story-based MMO games are you referring to? AoC was very story-based. The first 20 levels were a long origins story and practically not a real massive multiplayer. And even beyond the game is very linear and story driven.
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OP isnt far from the mark IMO. not that i'm really pissed this game doesnt appeal to me...it wasnt built to. while bioware has made a couple of games i liked i was never a fanboi for them. i thought mass effect was boring. too linear. but then again that game was built for the same playerbase this one is. the instant gratification console kiddies. fine by me seing as most of the devs associated with the last star wars mmo are working on this one and i already know they dont know what they are doing.
and as far as bioware is concerned yeah you should worry. making a linear single player game is a far cry from maintaining a live mmo. this will be baptisim by fire indeed.
I would still wonder why you treat your opinion about the game as fact, while disreguarding anything the rest of us say?
How can a game not even in Beta, be a failure? I am really curious. Are WAR/AoC Failures also because they don't have 11 million people?
It's great you have an opinion. Everyone does. But again, why is your opinion fact in this case that you so loudly troll it to be? Why do you put down a game that is not out? Why not want a game to do good in its own right? If people are not going to like it, they could try it and find out, whenever it comes out. But you felt the need to post "the truth" and not an opinion.
I really think that is why you are getting such replies that resort to name calling. The way you troll/speak in this thread, in my opinion is rather inciting to some people. Of course, those of us that are not name calling you, we are just wrong, or our opinions are totally incorrect?
If you came onto this forum and said, I sure won't like this game, for what I THINK<---- may happen, and here are my reasons for feeling that way, well, I doubt you would get such replies. But a troll is a troll is a troll I guess.
I really have no idea why I still come to these forums...
OP should go into the 'THE WORLD IS ENDING!' prophecy business. Just keep gues..ehm predicting and you will get it right some day.
Seems like every new mmo coming out is going to "Fail". You cant always please everyone, the game will apeal to some, and turn off others....hmmm sounds like every single game ever made in existance. It looks cool, might bring a few things new to the table, it might not. We will just have to see when it gets launched. Until then, shut up. These kinds of posts arent helping anyone.
wow can we say propaganda. Everything you stated is opinion and we all know what opinions are like.
Holy Bucketload of Speculation Batman!
I'm not saying this game is going to be perfect, but it is WAY too early to tell.
Chill, have a beer and a smoke and go relax or something.
anything anyone says until 6 months after the game is launched amounts to shit.
I would probably fit in the "pre-cu/pre-nge" fanboi mold. Yet I'm still looking forward to this game. If there's absolutely no pvp, it will be a shame. This has all the workings of a good rvr engine, a chance to make a true galatic war that SWG was never able to do beyond a joke.
Bioware has done outstanding jobs in creating immersion in the single player RPG's they've done. Overall, that's what an MMO needs to do for the playerbase. Make them feel part of something. Some of the things they are trying I like from the RP standpoint in making a real story.
And being honest, I do not think many of us who loved pre-cu would accept the pre-cu if it were launched today in the state it was. The lack of polish, and the simple fact it is dated. So I'm willing to see what this thing does.
Because it provides entertainment xD
I agree, these types of unfounded posts cropping up about every popular game is getting a little old.
Even the Darkfall forums have lost their fun.
Edit: I have no problem with speculation and thinking a game is not going to do well. What I do have a problem with is posters like the OP completely making up "facts" that have absolutely no basis in reality or what we know about the game. Then for weeks/months from now the sheep that visit the forums will quote the OP as gospel like he is a visitor from the future who actually knows what he's talking about.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
true. it will easily pull in a million subs with the shiny graphics and the name. if people are still playing 6 months in.....
Since you seem to have a crystal ball or some kind of future tuned ESP can you give me next months Lotto number please? If not, that wall of text seems like a waste of keystrokes to me. ToR will be somewhere on the spectrum of great to suck for sure but only a complete asshat would proclaim to know where it will sit on that scale now.
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In all reality I'm so over the overdramtic geek squads who cry about games before they come out. Really.... Over... It... This used to be a place where people could go to get an honest opinion about a game they were interested in now. I think its time to move to a new web site. When it comes out, try it, if you don't like it give your reasons and move on. If its not out yet and still in development, let's not wet ourselves yet.
Phew that felt better.
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Made an account for this site just to refute your claims, that's how out of touch I think you are.
1. Classes. SWG's unique ability to allow you to change your class on well established character was truly niche. For those that aren't aware, most of SWG's features have only ever existed in SWG, sorry to break it to you. Classes likely will have that Wow-esque feel for better or for worse. My only fear is that having 4 classes on each side would cause lots of redundancy, but I"m open to see where Bioware's headed.
2. Factions. Once again, Wow-esque. God forbid you roll another toon. As for the treaty? Have you ever heard of that treaty that North and South Korea signed? Exactly. Skirmishes will abound, in some form or another.
3. Space. Jump to Lightspeed made SWG that much better and is easily the best part to come out of that MMO. I would be surprised if Bioware hasn't put some thought into a space expansion. Patience is a virtue. Longevity? They haven't even announced anything related to end-game.
4. Instances. You really have no idea. None of us do. So don't try until we hear something else.
5. Crafting. They've officially announced just two classes. Why would they talk about what you can craft right now?
6. Non-combat classes. Regrettably, you're right with this one. But it doesn't mean it's going to be bad.
7. Release date. 2011? The would mean a 5 year development cycle. With the game being based on the Hero engine, meaning a good amount of the work is already done, I would be surprised if it's not released summer or fall of next year.
8. Gameplay linear? While Bioware's recent titles haven't been shining examples of open-ended gameplay (Mass Effect tried, and was meh on it's optional content), MMOs are too big not to have lots of options. But if you're expecting anything different from many different quest chains, which EVERYTHING does, then your loss. Nevertheless, I get the feeling that you have never played a Bioware title. Your decisions matter greatly and will affect what happens in the game. That alone gives it a bit more depth than Galaxies and Wow put together.
9. Housing? Player Cities? Yeah, your second point out of nine that's very likely to be right. But come on, go build a real house or something.
10. Combat system. Honestly, the only way to effectively pull of the Star Wars feel is for something like a first person shooter. If that's your game style, then great, if not, then go play EVE.
11. Jedis. At least they won't ge their lightsabers until failry into the game, but yes, this will always be the great fear. But Bioware is intelligent enough to hopefully balance it out. Although the Trooper class does make me laugh.
12. PvP. It'll have a teen rating, Episode III was PG-13, and KOTOR was rated T as are most Star Wars games today. Expect something violent, just without any blood. Which, honestly, is all you can really expect. And as NOTHING has been announced to date, you once again, really have no idea.
13. Graphics. "Most likely next-gen graphics. Some improvements on existing ways of doing it. Maybe similar to AoC quality." Just go look a screenshot. They're going for a bit of a cartoony feel to hopefully make the game feel a bit more timeless, which is a fair direction with their art. Games that go for that realistic feel ALWAYS feel outdated a mere 2 years later.
Conclusion: You've basically listed everything from SWG that everyone wants back, but it's not happening. In any game. Ever. Basically, you have to withold judgement until more information becomes available about pvp and end-game content.
As for everyone that suddenly thinks this is best thing since sliced bread because of that trailer, go away or quit early, because I want to be able to enjoy the game like everyone else who's been following it since it's announcement. (Makes me elitist? Already? Well, don't care.)
You do yourself a huge misdeed if you are still in bed with SWG.
The only thing that is epic is the premature failgasims by jaded gamers. Here is a thought; how about forming an opinion after you actually play a game? Like oh my god what a concept!!!
The shill is strong with this one.
Here's my guess, most of the people saying this game is fail will be playing TOR within the first year after they here how much fun people are having in it. Some may even be outside Bestbuy standing in line for the midnight launch. xD
Noooooo people having fun in SWTOR no that cant be right *checks crystal ball* see it says TOR will fail, no point in talking about this anymore Im gonna call Biwoare in the morning and tell them to just close up shop in Austin.
Anyways I highly doubt it will relase later then fall of 2010. Imo they should go for a late spring or early summer relase and then just dominate the gaming world from Dragon Age release to ME2 to TOR now that would be a awesome year of gaming.
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And the game is not even out yet and peoples think it's fail already ???
Go read a book or something or find something else to do then come whine on a game that not even launched yet or even remotely in beta yet .
Geez
It's not Bioware's fault, I wish them the best
It's the fricken genre as a whole. "This game will knock your socks off! You'll see in a year or two!"
Fool me once...twice...three times...uuggghhh...
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What a complete wanker...
I thought the video was great. Hopefully, it's indicative of how much effort and resources are going to be pumped into the development of this game. You'd have to be a slackjawed mouthbreather to write this game off already.
It is sort of funny to see that fans get so defensive over this and retort to name-calling and using the same old arguments about crystal balls..
You fail to see the bigger picture.
Bioware is aiming at the lowest common denominator with this game. I am sure it will look good, have voice-acting (but not 100% as was promised) and be sort of polished at release. But look at the demographics here.
Who here really believes this game will cater to either mmo veterans? It is aimed at young audience, who either never played an mmo and those who have played WoW.
There is such much likeness between the two. WoW and ToR.
I don't say SW: TOR won't make any money, but I am saying that as a gamer I feel it is hurting the industry by mass-producing more of the same old that is over-saturating the market.
I have been following mmos that are under construction. I stopped updating my mmorpg.com post a long while ago and the numbers of announced mmos have exploded ever since. With E3 even more titles are announced.
So what is the effect of all these mmos? I think less and less of them will survive in the long run. Games will run for shorter spins and unsuccesful ones will be closed sooner (as with TR) instead of lingering for years.
I also feel that mmos will change and more of them will indeed be story-based and created for being played for some months - as with ToR. Essentially like multi-player games without the massive part.
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Who is ranting?
Why not add something to the discussion instead?
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Original poster why have you come on to these forums sharing your assumptions with us and trying to force your opinions which are irrelevant onto us. This is not a "fail" game as you internet people like to say, it has already gathered thousands of peoples interests all over the world and your pathetic attempt to try and sway people from liking this game is silly.
I'm not saying you should'nt express your opinions (not made up facts) but you should'nt use titles like you have, its asking for trouble.
So read this very carefully.
Fuck you.
Isn't it funny how a quick search for testicular cancer can turn into a wank.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
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