From the look of ForumFall I'd say that the OP's plan is already in motion. It will be interesting to see if Tasos back-pedals on this one. Anyone willing to make a wager?
I'll go on record as predicting that Aventurine caves on this one and reverses their policy they made today. I think they WILL allow current subscribers to delete their current EU-1 character and make a new character on the NA server without any charge or the need to re-purchase the client.
To me it only makes sense, as they will be losing a good percentage of their customers otherwise. I guess we will see if I am correct or not July 7th.
Either:
1) AV is locked into this licensing agreement with their NA rights holder and is unable to reverse this decision, or
2) AV is lying through their teeth and this is a shameless money grab
We can whine all we like on forums across the internet, but it won't hit them as seeing massive cancel notices. Darkfall is a great game, and I love it, but this NA transfer ordeal is a huge mess, and AV needs to feel some pain. If your subscription is about to run out, just resub the day before so you can keep playing. Otherwise, keep your account canceled, and put a little fright into AV.
Why? Because we can't transfer right away and they may have to charage us a small fee to transfer characters due to legal issues that anyone with half a brain saw comming when they had to get a new publisher?
You know,
On the previous page I posted the entirety of the the ToS/ EULA I have to agree to in order to play the game.
Nowhere in it can I find anything that states that my limited lisence agreement is restricted by server location. Not anywhere.
I also don't recall purchasing a client from Av. In fact I didn't. I downloaded my client 2 weeks before I paid for my ACCOUNT. Now they say I have to buy a client in order to play on the NA server when it launches. No one was required to purchase a client in the last 4 months, but you will if you want to play on the NA server at launch.
So what happens to my ACCOUNT I paid for. Cause I was never required to achnowledge that my account was only usable on a EU server once in the last 4 months.
You seem to know a lot about law.
Maybe you can explain it to me. God knows you seem to be avoiding it on the official forums.
it may not say anywhere that you can only use it on a EU client, but do you really need it to? i knew that already. we dont telling everything do we? and i understood that although i wasn't physically buying the client....that was what i was paying for. just like buying a key for windows vista. i installed it of another disk that i borrowed but still had to buy the key.
And no one is forcing anyone to buy the client again. If you will wait then you will get a transfer for a fee ( which we dont even know how big/small it will be yet ) but for those that cannot wait, then it's your choice to buy another client. dont you think that skilled up characters having to wait 3 months to enter can only be a good thing? think about it for a minute......new players getting ganked continuously by skilled up players and leaving! is that a good thing? no it isnt, giving them 3 months to catch up can only be a good thing
Your wrong, I can play EU WOW from US with my US client....
You are correct, you can play on EU servers with US client, but you still need a EU account. You also need to edit a file which is not a legal way of connecting to the other servers.
Did you people really expect free transfers to NA servers from EU ones? I am lost in what this whole argument is about. Are you mad because you need to purchanse a new account? Mad because you need to pay to transfer? Mad because you can't transfer from day 1? Mad because you can't bring your gear over?
I am not trying to start crap, I just honestly want to know why people are bitching over something that was pretty obvious from the start. They are 2 different "clients". Run by 2 different companies form what I understand(don't quote me on this). If it is 2 different companies then the EULA you agreed to already is for the EU company, NOT the NA one.
One of the problems is how they had a "one character per server" policy, implying you wouldn't need to bend over for another client sale in order to play in NA servers. It's ironic, they have changed the response in the FAQ "You can only have one character per Darkfall account". In short, it doesn't matter if you bought the game already, you cannot start over in the NA server freely, as people were led to believe.
I think people try to read to far into what AV has said. They did not lead you anyplace form what I did read. Even if they kept it 1 character per server, where did they ever say that the EU and NA servers would run off the same client? Sure they never said it will be run on 2 different clients, but there is no words even implying that it would be. They said they would make accomodations for Americans who wanted to play it early on the EU servers, and they are with allowing you to transfer your character over to NA servers.
I think people try to read to far into what AV has said. They did not lead you anyplace form what I did read. Even if they kept it 1 character per server, where did they ever say that the EU and NA servers would run off the same client? Sure they never said it will be run on 2 different clients, but there is no words even implying that it would be. They said they would make accomodations for Americans who wanted to play it early on the EU servers, and they are with allowing you to transfer your character over to NA servers.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
I think people try to read to far into what AV has said. They did not lead you anyplace form what I did read. Even if they kept it 1 character per server, where did they ever say that the EU and NA servers would run off the same client? Sure they never said it will be run on 2 different clients, but there is no words even implying that it would be. They said they would make accomodations for Americans who wanted to play it early on the EU servers, and they are with allowing you to transfer your character over to NA servers.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
I think people try to read to far into what AV has said. They did not lead you anyplace form what I did read. Even if they kept it 1 character per server, where did they ever say that the EU and NA servers would run off the same client? Sure they never said it will be run on 2 different clients, but there is no words even implying that it would be. They said they would make accomodations for Americans who wanted to play it early on the EU servers, and they are with allowing you to transfer your character over to NA servers.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
As I've said, Even fucking SOE doesn't limit access to servers by region. It's bullshit, and it's a cop-out.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated. Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race) Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth. There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
I think people try to read to far into what AV has said. They did not lead you anyplace form what I did read. Even if they kept it 1 character per server, where did they ever say that the EU and NA servers would run off the same client? Sure they never said it will be run on 2 different clients, but there is no words even implying that it would be. They said they would make accomodations for Americans who wanted to play it early on the EU servers, and they are with allowing you to transfer your character over to NA servers.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
As I've said, Even fucking SOE doesn't limit access to servers by region. It's bullshit, and it's a cop-out.
Actually, doesn't Blizzard make you buy two different versions (clients, accounts, whatever) of the software if you want to play on both the EU or US servers? Bet if you wanted to play Chinese version (if permitted) that would be an extra fee too.
NCSoft, I'm thinking that if I want to play Aion on Korean, Chinese and US servers, it will be a separate fee for each. (maybe even for EU)
Dark Age of Camelot, yep, separate accounts for US and GOA(EU) servers, and I think Mythic continued the tradition with WAR right?
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I think people try to read to far into what AV has said. They did not lead you anyplace form what I did read. Even if they kept it 1 character per server, where did they ever say that the EU and NA servers would run off the same client? Sure they never said it will be run on 2 different clients, but there is no words even implying that it would be. They said they would make accomodations for Americans who wanted to play it early on the EU servers, and they are with allowing you to transfer your character over to NA servers.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
As I've said, Even fucking SOE doesn't limit access to servers by region. It's bullshit, and it's a cop-out.
Actually, doesn't Blizzard make you buy two different versions (clients, accounts, whatever) of the software if you want to play on both the EU or US servers? Bet if you wanted to play Chinese version (if permitted) that would be an extra fee too.
NCSoft, I'm thinking that if I want to play Aion on Korean, Chinese and US servers, it will be a separate fee for each. (maybe even for EU)
Dark Age of Camelot, yep, separate accounts for US and GOA(EU) servers, and I think Mythic continued the tradition with WAR right?
Granted...SOME do....but many also do not....and I'll tell you ONE thing..the ones that DO require region specific licenses gave you the option AT LAUNCH of which one to buy....they didn't offer only one, tell you to come play on the ONE server that was available, with a promise of a transfer to your region at a later date, and THEN spring a new client charge / transfer fee on you.
Spellborn even has different publishers in EU than they do in NA...and yet I can play on either a EU server or NA server (I have characters on both).
Shitty little games like Neocron (back in the day) allowed you to roll on any server you wanted to, with ONE client.
And even fucking SONY lets me play on EU or NA servers with ONE client / license.
AV is scamming us. It's that simple. You people can try to justify it all you want, but you're all in denial.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
Exactly, but they never said there would be a cost either. I could care less about the 3 month thing thats fine, but to charge for transfer after you ve paid them money isn t right. On top of it they re stripping your char of possesions. How you can t see this is unjust is beyond me.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
Exactly, but they never said there would be a cost either. I could care less about the 3 month thing thats fine, but to charge for transfer after you ve paid them money isn t right. On top of it they re stripping your char of possesions. How you can t see this is unjust is beyond me.
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
Exactly, but they never said there would be a cost either. I could care less about the 3 month thing thats fine, but to charge for transfer after you ve paid them money isn t right. On top of it they re stripping your char of possesions. How you can t see this is unjust is beyond me.
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
So lets say you re playing a game at release. It has NA and EU servers. It bombs in EU,and closes down there, no company out there is going to make all chars on EU servers pay a transfer fee or make you buy a new copy to go to the other existing servers in NA. They will offer it free, or something to compensate like free months etc.
You know what gets me about you nerd emo whiners, is that this is just like a normal thing, if you wanted to play wow from the eu in america you have to purchase the American client, the fatc you decided to play on the EU server in wow then decided to play in america is your cohice nobody forced you to do it. Same exact thing applied to Darkfall, you americans or whatever knew it was a eu server and you thought magicallly you would get to play on the american server because you had the eu client???. hell this is just normal business practice, similar like normal mmos with game regions. So no just because you want to play on american server they should just let you free of charge? ITs a fuucking business, its like saying to all wow players and other mmos hey you bought the eu client but u cna play in america free of charge, all hell would break lose with the structre of the game. This is why you nreds kepe jumping from mmo to mmo, becayuse u people just whine about everything.
NEWSFLASH if you are american and bought us clinet, well thats your tough luck.
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Most Americans bought the EU client because when asked, we were told we could transfer to NA when it was possible. This is a total scam... stop defending unethical business.
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
sheesh believe or not , aint making me happy seing how a once a promising title is nuking itself into oblivion . No reason left to discuss why it went down the drain ..it simply did . IMO Aventurine gambled upon the 'hardcore lowered mindset ' community to back up the product (at times saying theyre the niche no game can offer ) and lost . If your game is reduced at the end of the day to certain cheesy plain mechanics you get the same playerbase very very simple ppl. And simple ppl make it simple : idont get what i want i leave bye bye
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Either:
1) AV is locked into this licensing agreement with their NA rights holder and is unable to reverse this decision, or
2) AV is lying through their teeth and this is a shameless money grab
Take your pick. It will be interesting to watch.
/popcorn
Why? Because we can't transfer right away and they may have to charage us a small fee to transfer characters due to legal issues that anyone with half a brain saw comming when they had to get a new publisher?
You know,
On the previous page I posted the entirety of the the ToS/ EULA I have to agree to in order to play the game.
Nowhere in it can I find anything that states that my limited lisence agreement is restricted by server location. Not anywhere.
I also don't recall purchasing a client from Av. In fact I didn't. I downloaded my client 2 weeks before I paid for my ACCOUNT. Now they say I have to buy a client in order to play on the NA server when it launches. No one was required to purchase a client in the last 4 months, but you will if you want to play on the NA server at launch.
So what happens to my ACCOUNT I paid for. Cause I was never required to achnowledge that my account was only usable on a EU server once in the last 4 months.
You seem to know a lot about law.
Maybe you can explain it to me. God knows you seem to be avoiding it on the official forums.
it may not say anywhere that you can only use it on a EU client, but do you really need it to? i knew that already. we dont telling everything do we? and i understood that although i wasn't physically buying the client....that was what i was paying for. just like buying a key for windows vista. i installed it of another disk that i borrowed but still had to buy the key.
And no one is forcing anyone to buy the client again. If you will wait then you will get a transfer for a fee ( which we dont even know how big/small it will be yet ) but for those that cannot wait, then it's your choice to buy another client. dont you think that skilled up characters having to wait 3 months to enter can only be a good thing? think about it for a minute......new players getting ganked continuously by skilled up players and leaving! is that a good thing? no it isnt, giving them 3 months to catch up can only be a good thing
I can't even believe that people would try to justify this scam.
Even fucking SOE doesn't try to charge for another client to play on NA or EU servers.
Apparently, people are fine with getting fucked as long as it doesn't cost them more than say, $50.
You can all line up and grab yer ankles while AV laughs all the way to the bank.
You are correct, you can play on EU servers with US client, but you still need a EU account. You also need to edit a file which is not a legal way of connecting to the other servers.
Did you people really expect free transfers to NA servers from EU ones? I am lost in what this whole argument is about. Are you mad because you need to purchanse a new account? Mad because you need to pay to transfer? Mad because you can't transfer from day 1? Mad because you can't bring your gear over?
I am not trying to start crap, I just honestly want to know why people are bitching over something that was pretty obvious from the start. They are 2 different "clients". Run by 2 different companies form what I understand(don't quote me on this). If it is 2 different companies then the EULA you agreed to already is for the EU company, NOT the NA one.
One of the problems is how they had a "one character per server" policy, implying you wouldn't need to bend over for another client sale in order to play in NA servers. It's ironic, they have changed the response in the FAQ "You can only have one character per Darkfall account". In short, it doesn't matter if you bought the game already, you cannot start over in the NA server freely, as people were led to believe.
I think people try to read to far into what AV has said. They did not lead you anyplace form what I did read. Even if they kept it 1 character per server, where did they ever say that the EU and NA servers would run off the same client? Sure they never said it will be run on 2 different clients, but there is no words even implying that it would be. They said they would make accomodations for Americans who wanted to play it early on the EU servers, and they are with allowing you to transfer your character over to NA servers.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
As I've said, Even fucking SOE doesn't limit access to servers by region. It's bullshit, and it's a cop-out.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
/applaud
In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
As I've said, Even fucking SOE doesn't limit access to servers by region. It's bullshit, and it's a cop-out.
Actually, doesn't Blizzard make you buy two different versions (clients, accounts, whatever) of the software if you want to play on both the EU or US servers? Bet if you wanted to play Chinese version (if permitted) that would be an extra fee too.
NCSoft, I'm thinking that if I want to play Aion on Korean, Chinese and US servers, it will be a separate fee for each. (maybe even for EU)
Dark Age of Camelot, yep, separate accounts for US and GOA(EU) servers, and I think Mythic continued the tradition with WAR right?
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In fact they have read the official notices, usually very vague, but no matter how you slice it, they said previously you could have a character for each server and went back on their word...
The only way to escape this obvious contradiction would be to edit every post where a developer mentions this policy, but it would only add to the injury...The players already know what was said before anyways.
Servers are servers, despite the client you have to use. Don't make promises you cannot keep. If they meant servers in the same location they should have specified it right on the spot. Intentionally or not you can mislead your customers... that's called bait and switch, you know.
The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.
As I've said, Even fucking SOE doesn't limit access to servers by region. It's bullshit, and it's a cop-out.
Actually, doesn't Blizzard make you buy two different versions (clients, accounts, whatever) of the software if you want to play on both the EU or US servers? Bet if you wanted to play Chinese version (if permitted) that would be an extra fee too.
NCSoft, I'm thinking that if I want to play Aion on Korean, Chinese and US servers, it will be a separate fee for each. (maybe even for EU)
Dark Age of Camelot, yep, separate accounts for US and GOA(EU) servers, and I think Mythic continued the tradition with WAR right?
Granted...SOME do....but many also do not....and I'll tell you ONE thing..the ones that DO require region specific licenses gave you the option AT LAUNCH of which one to buy....they didn't offer only one, tell you to come play on the ONE server that was available, with a promise of a transfer to your region at a later date, and THEN spring a new client charge / transfer fee on you.
Spellborn even has different publishers in EU than they do in NA...and yet I can play on either a EU server or NA server (I have characters on both).
Shitty little games like Neocron (back in the day) allowed you to roll on any server you wanted to, with ONE client.
And even fucking SONY lets me play on EU or NA servers with ONE client / license.
AV is scamming us. It's that simple. You people can try to justify it all you want, but you're all in denial.
Just another lame move from a company with a long history of lame moves. What surprised me? That I was surprised at all.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
I bought DF and all I got was this…damn, I didn’t even get a T-shirt.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
Exactly, but they never said there would be a cost either. I could care less about the 3 month thing thats fine, but to charge for transfer after you ve paid them money isn t right. On top of it they re stripping your char of possesions. How you can t see this is unjust is beyond me.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
Exactly, but they never said there would be a cost either. I could care less about the 3 month thing thats fine, but to charge for transfer after you ve paid them money isn t right. On top of it they re stripping your char of possesions. How you can t see this is unjust is beyond me.
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.
Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)
Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.
Alright "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.
Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.
Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..
"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet." - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.
"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.
From 2/18/09
"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.
How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.
Exactly, but they never said there would be a cost either. I could care less about the 3 month thing thats fine, but to charge for transfer after you ve paid them money isn t right. On top of it they re stripping your char of possesions. How you can t see this is unjust is beyond me.
I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.
IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
So lets say you re playing a game at release. It has NA and EU servers. It bombs in EU,and closes down there, no company out there is going to make all chars on EU servers pay a transfer fee or make you buy a new copy to go to the other existing servers in NA. They will offer it free, or something to compensate like free months etc.
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Most Americans bought the EU client because when asked, we were told we could transfer to NA when it was possible. This is a total scam... stop defending unethical business.
'nuff said.
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IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.
Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.
They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.
sheesh believe or not , aint making me happy seing how a once a promising title is nuking itself into oblivion . No reason left to discuss why it went down the drain ..it simply did . IMO Aventurine gambled upon the 'hardcore lowered mindset ' community to back up the product (at times saying theyre the niche no game can offer ) and lost . If your game is reduced at the end of the day to certain cheesy plain mechanics you get the same playerbase very very simple ppl. And simple ppl make it simple : idont get what i want i leave bye bye