ya know, as much as I hate AV for their acam-artist tactics....and as much as I have to admit that DF could have more polish and content....at the same time, I have to say that a 6 is a bit low.
I played the game for quite a few months. I got to see every aspect that the game had to offer. To be honest, if not for the NA server debacle, I'd still be playing.
I never got poor performance, even on a mid-range machine. I never, EVER crashed....not even once.
Never had problems with the inventory.....I looked at it like this: you're carrying a bag. When you loot shit, you're throwing it into that bag. I've never seen a BAG with little slots to put everything neatly in order....it's a fucking BAG.
IMO, people who bitch about things like this are just not used to realism in games.
I dunno....maybe I just "get it" when I'm playing this kind of game, or maybe I just like more challenging games where I'm not playing a glorified game of connect the dots, while supported by all-too-convenient artificial mechanics (such as inventory sorting, safe zones, looting rights, color-coded enemies, and the like). But I understand Darkfall and games like it, and I certainly wouldn't give it a "6" due to intended features that I simply didn't agree with, or write a "review" which leaves out the majority of the game's content.
This from the review: "In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way."
And yet the game garners a 6/10, which is 'acceptable'. If the reviewer finds that the game was not enjoyable in any way, that does not seem acceptable at all. I think there was a disconnect between the rating and what the reviewer said.
Bums on seats !!!! One must think of 'bums on seats' !!!!!
When the overall player rating is 6.7 one can't afford to go against the public opinion.
I read the review and i overall agree with it,even though you do have a point there if anyone tries to translate the words of the review into numbers they definitely don't translate into a "6".
Maybe he is not thinkin gof himself, and realize that some people may like it, and the people it caters to will like it, I mean he did put I and not Everyone when he said he could not find it enjoyable way, Maybe its because hes used to having his hand held and quests telling him what to do when and how many times.
Dfo just gives you the tools, you choose from there, It is not a complete sandbox game when it comes to all elements of a MMORPG but it is truly a sandbox. It needs more content/features and a few fixes and I will say it will be up with EVE. Might be a while before a lot of stuff gets added in, they are a indie company afterall.
ya know, as much as I hate AV for their acam-artist tactics....and as much as I have to admit that DF could have more polish and content....at the same time, I have to say that a 6 is a bit low. I played the game for quite a few months. I got to see every aspect that the game had to offer. To be honest, if not for the NA server debacle, I'd still be playing. I never got poor performance, even on a mid-range machine. I never, EVER crashed....not even once. Never had problems with the inventory.....I looked at it like this: you're carrying a bag. When you loot shit, you're throwing it into that bag. I've never seen a BAG with little slots to put everything neatly in order....it's a fucking BAG. IMO, people who bitch about things like this are just not used to realism in games. I dunno....maybe I just "get it" when I'm playing this kind of game, or maybe I just like more challenging games where I'm not playing a glorified game of connect the dots, while supported by all-too-convenient artificial mechanics (such as inventory sorting, safe zones, looting rights, color-coded enemies, and the like). But I understand Darkfall and games like it, and I certainly wouldn't give it a "6" due to intended features that I simply didn't agree with, or write a "review" which leaves out the majority of the game's content.
He did not explore the whole game, but it takes time.
He barely touched the game to be honest, and not understanding the looting process is just Laughable, People dont know that if you want to loot a player corpse it takes some time, not like wow where you can just do a Select all loot button.
But someone who would of player UO SB AC would understand this.
ya know, as much as I hate AV for their acam-artist tactics....and as much as I have to admit that DF could have more polish and content....at the same time, I have to say that a 6 is a bit low. I played the game for quite a few months. I got to see every aspect that the game had to offer. To be honest, if not for the NA server debacle, I'd still be playing. I never got poor performance, even on a mid-range machine. I never, EVER crashed....not even once. Never had problems with the inventory.....I looked at it like this: you're carrying a bag. When you loot shit, you're throwing it into that bag. I've never seen a BAG with little slots to put everything neatly in order....it's a fucking BAG. IMO, people who bitch about things like this are just not used to realism in games. I dunno....maybe I just "get it" when I'm playing this kind of game, or maybe I just like more challenging games where I'm not playing a glorified game of connect the dots, while supported by all-too-convenient artificial mechanics (such as inventory sorting, safe zones, looting rights, color-coded enemies, and the like). But I understand Darkfall and games like it, and I certainly wouldn't give it a "6" due to intended features that I simply didn't agree with, or write a "review" which leaves out the majority of the game's content.
Well said, I don't agree with the "scam tactics", but respect your feelings.
-CC
"Lately it occurs to me, what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
Whats all this about fanboys, say that we like the game and then be accused of being a fanbot? Is that supposed to be an insult? Because that's what some of you are trying to make it sound like. So many posts in this thread consist of people insulting each other for their opinions. There are barely any constructive posts that talk about the game instead of arguing over whos right and whos wrong.
I even saw a post here that stated that this game should get lower than a 4 because of the bad quests, PVE, and interface. Seriously it's a PVP game and that is the focus in the game. This is ridiculous, reading posts that have no credibility. Sure these are opinions but that's just a wrong statement.
I love all the fanboys coming out and getting angry about the review. (you know who you are)
MMORPG was extremly nice on giving this game a 6. Want to know what the upside to having a North American server is? The fact that it's open season for every gaming site to review this game now. I bet you any amount of money that not one legitimate gaming site will rate this game acceptable.
Great review MMORPG, I have always vauled your reviews and now I know this MMO is not for me.
Hey everyone - This debate has gotten me thinking. Honestly, I think our score matches our text, at least as far as our guidelines go, but I also see how they fail to sync up at a glance to some people. So, I've put out a call for ideas and feedback. Please keep the discussion limited to the topic of review scores and not argue about this particular one See this blog post.
Man your mom should have been proud of you, when you came back from school with a 60% score on your exam. I guess she says, Great Son, that's ACCEPTABLE.....
If it's a niche game why not rate it for the niche audience? I would give this game an 8. I absolutely love it.
Of course it gets low scores from places that rate WOW high.
your totaly missing the major points of the review and the main reasons WHY the reviewer gave the score he did, my understanding of the review indicates the aspects of the game that damaged the score the MOST was the simple fact is that it is far from finished and lacking alot of polish. He didnt rate it low because of the gemeplay, but because of its current state of development. I think this review was very unbiased and quite fair, you would review DF on emotion and that alone, the reviewer in question put feelings aside and reviewed the game based on FACTS, not feelings. The game is not even close to done, hence it scored lower than youd like, sorry bub.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
Hey everyone - This debate has gotten me thinking. Honestly, I think our score matches our text, at least as far as our guidelines go, but I also see how they fail to sync up at a glance to some people. So, I've put out a call for ideas and feedback. Please keep the discussion limited to the topic of review scores and not argue about this particular one See this blog post.
Man your mom should have been proud of you, when you came back from school with a 60% score on your exam. I guess she says, Great Son, that's ACCEPTABLE.....
See earlier post where I flat out said that the descriptor words under the reviews are outdated and we're changing them
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
I love all the fanboys coming out and getting angry about the review. (you know who you are) MMORPG was extremly nice on giving this game a 6. Want to know what the upside to having a North American server is? The fact that it's open season for every gaming site to review this game now. I bet you any amount of money that not one legitimate gaming site will rate this game acceptable. Great review MMORPG, I have always vauled your reviews and now I know this MMO is not for me.
Again? Just throw out the word and call random people fanboys. How mature. I'd rather they give a 4 or 5 because that is what many people think it should be so they don't accuse mmorpg of giving a false score and then throw out more about fanboys and whatnot.
De ja vous. Once again DF gets a poor review. Once again DF die hards go bonkers and cry all over the place. Once again DF is found to be lame. ... If SO many people and reviewers give DF a poor score there is obviously something wrong with it.
Izure, its either going to be a niche fan or themeparker who reviews so either way "fanbots" or trolls will be angry. And how are we crying? Can you hear us over the internet?
Again? Just throw out the word and call random people fanboys. How mature. I'd rather they give a 4 or 5 because that is what many people think it should be so they don't accuse mmorpg of giving a false score and then throw out more about fanboys and whatnot.
Is it any different then critics getting labeled troll/failtroll/etc? I mean, its easy to be the martyr, but this is a knife that cuts both ways as there seems to be little room for middle ground on this game.
Honestly though, each new review rehashes the same arguments no matter whether you agree with it or not:
Attack the reviewers credibility.
Attack the length of the review.
Attack the time played for the review.
Attack the credability of the site hosting the review.
Now, sprinkle with random insults, references to "themepark/sandbox", call people "carebear/hardcore". Cook for about 5 minutes (if you're lucky), and let drama ensue.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
This from the review: "In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way."
And yet the game garners a 6/10, which is 'acceptable'. If the reviewer finds that the game was not enjoyable in any way, that does not seem acceptable at all. I think there was a disconnect between the rating and what the reviewer said.
Bums on seats !!!! One must think of 'bums on seats' !!!!!
When the overall player rating is 6.7 one can't afford to go against the public opinion.
I read the review and i overall agree with it,even though you do have a point there if anyone tries to translate the words of the review into numbers they definitely don't translate into a "6".
Maybe he is not thinkin gof himself, and realize that some people may like it, and the people it caters to will like it, I mean he did put I and not Everyone when he said he could not find it enjoyable way, Maybe its because hes used to having his hand held and quests telling him what to do when and how many times.
Dfo just gives you the tools, you choose from there, It is not a complete sandbox game when it comes to all elements of a MMORPG but it is truly a sandbox. It needs more content/features and a few fixes and I will say it will be up with EVE. Might be a while before a lot of stuff gets added in, they are a indie company afterall.
Some of the points are accurate but for the most part I see the review as biased with added inexperience to the environment this game presents. When you list "very niche audience" as a con when that was the developers' intent, something is off. Also a few other points like the non-sortable inventory are the way they are for specific reasons that the reviewer obviously isn't keen on.
De ja vous. Once again DF gets a poor review. Once again DF die hards go bonkers and cry all over the place. Once again DF is found to be lame. ... If SO many people and reviewers give DF a poor score there is obviously something wrong with it.
Ya the 2 reviewers = SO MANY people and reviewers, why dont you go fail on your own time k?
Every review besides eurogamer or mmorpg(even some people on mmorpg reviews like it a lot) gave it a good score.
So where you your facts from must be because this site and eurogamer caters to carebear(themepark games)
while other sites like sandbox or judge themepark and sandbox as equal.
So this guy wrote a nice opinion I would of added the actual key elements of this game, and not left out 80% of the game that shines, sorry but this is a failed review.
Some of the points are accurate but for the most part I see the review as biased with added inexperience to the environment this game presents. When you list "very niche audience" as a con when that was the developers' intent, something is off. Also a few other points like the non-sortable inventory are the way they are for specific reasons that the reviewer obviously isn't keen on.
Izure has been playing for about 4 or 5 months now and so have I. We have both experienced almost every feature in the game. To see people derail Darkfall and talk about the wrong aspects is insulting if you are in my point of view. Especially with the randomly added words "fanbot" "failbot"
I dont think of this game as a sandbox at all. I don't care what this is labeled as. As long as it's fun to me.
here's a few things that I have done.
- Spy on the largest alliance for the alliance that I am loyal to in order to help bring it down, which worked in the end and Hyperion was dismantled forever. My intel allowed CoTC to know whatever the main guild in Hyperion was doing so we could stop them.
- Join CoTC and fought in large scale battles until we were brought down by various alliances, losing all our territory, our homes
- travel to two subcontinents with my clan to look for a new home
- Leave my clan that was failing and inactive to join a group of end game mages (my best decision ever) and now destroy almost everyone that we fight
"Sadly unrealized potential. This is the sad truth of the matter: Darkfall is a game that is filled with great ideas and good intentions. Darkfall is a game that seems to fall short on just about everything it has, too." - Bulger
This pretty much sums it up, I read the review twice and could say that he did play the game in didn't like it at all.
What broke me on Darkfall, was a fellow blogger U-streaming playing the game live. I didn't like what I saw and that put the dagger in Darkfall for me.
I think Mortal Online is going to be the last nail in Darkfall's coffin.
"Sadly unrealized potential. This is the sad truth of the matter: Darkfall is a game that is filled with great ideas and good intentions. Darkfall is a game that seems to fall short on just about everything it has, too." - Bulger This pretty much sums it up, I read the review twice and could say that he did play the game in didn't like it at all. What broke me on Darkfall, was a fellow blogger U-streaming playing the game live. I didn't like what I saw and that put the dagger in Darkfall for me. I think Mortal Online is going to be the last nail in Darkfall's coffin.
I'm reading about mortal online often now and when it is finished it will be a great game but right now it's far from completion. I've played on a friends beta account and it isn't that great currently
The game changed, they had a rockey launch, name a game that did not?
Also name one other game that has conquest/pvp/fps in a mmorpg?
Just for the sake of conversation:
LoTRO was perceived to have a pretty smooth launch. At the time, there were no end of forum posts commenting as much.
As for your second question...perhaps Planetside would fit the bill.
O ya because in planetside you risk a a lot in Pvp, lol only thing that would come close is EVE, and eve's combat gets boring fast, not saying DFO wont either, but atm its nice and the more I get into it the more fun I have.
Stop moving the goal-post.
You said "Also name one other game that has conquest/pvp/fps in a mmorpg?"
Conquest, PvP, FPS, MMORPG... Those are the criteria you presented. You said nothing about "risk". Based on your criteria, Planetside fits the bill. Changing the criteria after the fact is lame.
DF is not the only MMO to have FFA PvP with risk and some kind of "conquest" system, despite how much some of its fans like to pretend it is.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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ya know, as much as I hate AV for their acam-artist tactics....and as much as I have to admit that DF could have more polish and content....at the same time, I have to say that a 6 is a bit low.
I played the game for quite a few months. I got to see every aspect that the game had to offer. To be honest, if not for the NA server debacle, I'd still be playing.
I never got poor performance, even on a mid-range machine. I never, EVER crashed....not even once.
Never had problems with the inventory.....I looked at it like this: you're carrying a bag. When you loot shit, you're throwing it into that bag. I've never seen a BAG with little slots to put everything neatly in order....it's a fucking BAG.
IMO, people who bitch about things like this are just not used to realism in games.
I dunno....maybe I just "get it" when I'm playing this kind of game, or maybe I just like more challenging games where I'm not playing a glorified game of connect the dots, while supported by all-too-convenient artificial mechanics (such as inventory sorting, safe zones, looting rights, color-coded enemies, and the like). But I understand Darkfall and games like it, and I certainly wouldn't give it a "6" due to intended features that I simply didn't agree with, or write a "review" which leaves out the majority of the game's content.
Bums on seats !!!! One must think of 'bums on seats' !!!!!
When the overall player rating is 6.7 one can't afford to go against the public opinion.
I read the review and i overall agree with it,even though you do have a point there if anyone tries to translate the words of the review into numbers they definitely don't translate into a "6".
Maybe he is not thinkin gof himself, and realize that some people may like it, and the people it caters to will like it, I mean he did put I and not Everyone when he said he could not find it enjoyable way, Maybe its because hes used to having his hand held and quests telling him what to do when and how many times.
Dfo just gives you the tools, you choose from there, It is not a complete sandbox game when it comes to all elements of a MMORPG but it is truly a sandbox. It needs more content/features and a few fixes and I will say it will be up with EVE. Might be a while before a lot of stuff gets added in, they are a indie company afterall.
He did not explore the whole game, but it takes time.
He barely touched the game to be honest, and not understanding the looting process is just Laughable, People dont know that if you want to loot a player corpse it takes some time, not like wow where you can just do a Select all loot button.
But someone who would of player UO SB AC would understand this.
Well said, I don't agree with the "scam tactics", but respect your feelings.
-CC
"Lately it occurs to me,
what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
Whats all this about fanboys, say that we like the game and then be accused of being a fanbot? Is that supposed to be an insult? Because that's what some of you are trying to make it sound like. So many posts in this thread consist of people insulting each other for their opinions. There are barely any constructive posts that talk about the game instead of arguing over whos right and whos wrong.
I even saw a post here that stated that this game should get lower than a 4 because of the bad quests, PVE, and interface. Seriously it's a PVP game and that is the focus in the game. This is ridiculous, reading posts that have no credibility. Sure these are opinions but that's just a wrong statement.
I love all the fanboys coming out and getting angry about the review. (you know who you are)
MMORPG was extremly nice on giving this game a 6. Want to know what the upside to having a North American server is? The fact that it's open season for every gaming site to review this game now. I bet you any amount of money that not one legitimate gaming site will rate this game acceptable.
Great review MMORPG, I have always vauled your reviews and now I know this MMO is not for me.
Man your mom should have been proud of you, when you came back from school with a 60% score on your exam. I guess she says, Great Son, that's ACCEPTABLE.....
your totaly missing the major points of the review and the main reasons WHY the reviewer gave the score he did, my understanding of the review indicates the aspects of the game that damaged the score the MOST was the simple fact is that it is far from finished and lacking alot of polish. He didnt rate it low because of the gemeplay, but because of its current state of development. I think this review was very unbiased and quite fair, you would review DF on emotion and that alone, the reviewer in question put feelings aside and reviewed the game based on FACTS, not feelings. The game is not even close to done, hence it scored lower than youd like, sorry bub.
Man your mom should have been proud of you, when you came back from school with a 60% score on your exam. I guess she says, Great Son, that's ACCEPTABLE.....
See earlier post where I flat out said that the descriptor words under the reviews are outdated and we're changing them
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
Again? Just throw out the word and call random people fanboys. How mature. I'd rather they give a 4 or 5 because that is what many people think it should be so they don't accuse mmorpg of giving a false score and then throw out more about fanboys and whatnot.
Sorry but this is just another example of a themeparker reviewing a sandbox game.
De ja vous. Once again DF gets a poor review. Once again DF die hards go bonkers and cry all over the place. Once again DF is found to be lame. ... If SO many people and reviewers give DF a poor score there is obviously something wrong with it.
Izure, its either going to be a niche fan or themeparker who reviews so either way "fanbots" or trolls will be angry. And how are we crying? Can you hear us over the internet?
Is it any different then critics getting labeled troll/failtroll/etc? I mean, its easy to be the martyr, but this is a knife that cuts both ways as there seems to be little room for middle ground on this game.
Honestly though, each new review rehashes the same arguments no matter whether you agree with it or not:
Attack the reviewers credibility.
Attack the length of the review.
Attack the time played for the review.
Attack the credability of the site hosting the review.
Now, sprinkle with random insults, references to "themepark/sandbox", call people "carebear/hardcore". Cook for about 5 minutes (if you're lucky), and let drama ensue.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Bums on seats !!!! One must think of 'bums on seats' !!!!!
When the overall player rating is 6.7 one can't afford to go against the public opinion.
I read the review and i overall agree with it,even though you do have a point there if anyone tries to translate the words of the review into numbers they definitely don't translate into a "6".
Maybe he is not thinkin gof himself, and realize that some people may like it, and the people it caters to will like it, I mean he did put I and not Everyone when he said he could not find it enjoyable way, Maybe its because hes used to having his hand held and quests telling him what to do when and how many times.
Dfo just gives you the tools, you choose from there, It is not a complete sandbox game when it comes to all elements of a MMORPG but it is truly a sandbox. It needs more content/features and a few fixes and I will say it will be up with EVE. Might be a while before a lot of stuff gets added in, they are a indie company afterall.
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
Some of the points are accurate but for the most part I see the review as biased with added inexperience to the environment this game presents. When you list "very niche audience" as a con when that was the developers' intent, something is off. Also a few other points like the non-sortable inventory are the way they are for specific reasons that the reviewer obviously isn't keen on.
Shadow of Apophis - Council Member
Why not just post some text saying that you disagree with his opinion instead of showing a lame picture trying to be humorous
Ya the 2 reviewers = SO MANY people and reviewers, why dont you go fail on your own time k?
Every review besides eurogamer or mmorpg(even some people on mmorpg reviews like it a lot) gave it a good score.
So where you your facts from must be because this site and eurogamer caters to carebear(themepark games)
while other sites like sandbox or judge themepark and sandbox as equal.
So this guy wrote a nice opinion I would of added the actual key elements of this game, and not left out 80% of the game that shines, sorry but this is a failed review.
Was this even post-expansion(big patch)?
This.
Dana had posted at www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/244178/page/6 that the review started pre-patch and continued post.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Izure has been playing for about 4 or 5 months now and so have I. We have both experienced almost every feature in the game. To see people derail Darkfall and talk about the wrong aspects is insulting if you are in my point of view. Especially with the randomly added words "fanbot" "failbot"
I dont think of this game as a sandbox at all. I don't care what this is labeled as. As long as it's fun to me.
here's a few things that I have done.
- Spy on the largest alliance for the alliance that I am loyal to in order to help bring it down, which worked in the end and Hyperion was dismantled forever. My intel allowed CoTC to know whatever the main guild in Hyperion was doing so we could stop them.
- Join CoTC and fought in large scale battles until we were brought down by various alliances, losing all our territory, our homes
- travel to two subcontinents with my clan to look for a new home
- Leave my clan that was failing and inactive to join a group of end game mages (my best decision ever) and now destroy almost everyone that we fight
"Sadly unrealized potential. This is the sad truth of the matter: Darkfall is a game that is filled with great ideas and good intentions. Darkfall is a game that seems to fall short on just about everything it has, too." - Bulger
This pretty much sums it up, I read the review twice and could say that he did play the game in didn't like it at all.
What broke me on Darkfall, was a fellow blogger U-streaming playing the game live. I didn't like what I saw and that put the dagger in Darkfall for me.
I think Mortal Online is going to be the last nail in Darkfall's coffin.
I'm reading about mortal online often now and when it is finished it will be a great game but right now it's far from completion. I've played on a friends beta account and it isn't that great currently
Just for the sake of conversation:
LoTRO was perceived to have a pretty smooth launch. At the time, there were no end of forum posts commenting as much.
As for your second question...perhaps Planetside would fit the bill.
O ya because in planetside you risk a a lot in Pvp, lol only thing that would come close is EVE, and eve's combat gets boring fast, not saying DFO wont either, but atm its nice and the more I get into it the more fun I have.
Stop moving the goal-post.
You said "Also name one other game that has conquest/pvp/fps in a mmorpg?"
Conquest, PvP, FPS, MMORPG... Those are the criteria you presented. You said nothing about "risk". Based on your criteria, Planetside fits the bill. Changing the criteria after the fact is lame.
DF is not the only MMO to have FFA PvP with risk and some kind of "conquest" system, despite how much some of its fans like to pretend it is.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops