I remember back in the day when you had to get your computer reviews from magazines, most mags used a 100% scale to review the games, personally I always found this better as maybe you would get a 60% game and a 69%, but in the 10 scale MMORPG.com uses and alot of web review sites these days they would both be a 6, so no telling them apart its a really vague system. But really any game that would rate at around 60% was usualy garbage or flawed anyway.
Very disappointed with this review, I find it too simplistic. Maybe they should have got someone with more experience in older MMO's to do it.
"if you are a casual gamer in any way, avoid this like the plague itself" - maybe in your opinion, but I have played this game casually since february and still enjoy it. As long as you don't adopt the ADD generation mindset of "I must be maxxed out straight away" and actually just play the game it is a fun game to play casually, either solo or in group events.
I hope this simple review does not prevent people from trying the game, because a large number of people will enjoy something thats not just another theme park. The best way to rate a game is to work out if you are yawning at 2 am while playing it, in WoW, Aion (first 20 levels anyway) etc, yep theres no adrenalin, in Darkfall you need your gameface on whenever you play, whether its casually or not.
This weekend I could play the Aion beta or play Darkfall, the choice is easy, Darkfall.
I don't want "polish", I want fun, a challenge, a good mix of politics and immersion.
Playing: Darkfall New Dawn (and planning to play Fallout 76) Favourite games have included: UO, Lineage2, Darkfall, Lotro, Baldur's Gate, SSX, FF7 and yes the original Wizardry on an Apple IIe
Rather than focusing on one review, Darkfall is a game that needs many reviews to be taken into consideration. Considering this the ratings can range from 20/100 to 80/100, implying that this is a game highly Dependant on the person playing it. Is it any surprise then that this review says exactly that, that it is for a specific "niche" audience.
Huh?
A game is a game, it either works well or it doesn't.
Saying that DF is "special" and needs a different type of review is just yet another in the long line of excuses that the game's fans make for the problems of DF.
Honestly, DF ended up nothing special, it's at the best a fair game and most of the reviews show that.
Sry Zorban, I don't know you, but that's 1 of the most retarded posts in this thread. What kinda logic is that?
You Darkfall guys sure love the word "retarded". Starting to wonder if that means something.
And if you can't see the logic, then I really don't know what to tell you.
That Tasos is an anti-social maniac & that reviewers should stay away from him. That is dumb. All it takes is write their devs a nice e-mail, saying who you are, that you're writing a full review, so you're asking for assistance in a couple of little things. If he's an ass & doesn't want to help, then write his reply in your review. I frankly could care less about Tasos or Darkfall. Not playing it atm. But I found the review very odd & incomplete. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of his points.
Rather than focusing on one review, Darkfall is a game that needs many reviews to be taken into consideration. Considering this the ratings can range from 20/100 to 80/100, implying that this is a game highly Dependant on the person playing it. Is it any surprise then that this review says exactly that, that it is for a specific "niche" audience.
Huh?
A game is a game, it either works well or it doesn't.
Saying that DF is "special" and needs a different type of review is just yet another in the long line of excuses that the game's fans make for the problems of DF.
Honestly, DF ended up nothing special, it's at the best a fair game and most of the reviews show that.
If you bothered to read my profile you would find that I never have played Darkfall... where you get the idea that I am a fan I have no idea. I also can not see where I said it was a good game, I merely pointed out that some people would like it and many will not, all of which I based upon a large range of reviews.
Rather than focusing on one review, Darkfall is a game that needs many reviews to be taken into consideration. Considering this the ratings can range from 20/100 to 80/100, implying that this is a game highly Dependant on the person playing it. Is it any surprise then that this review says exactly that, that it is for a specific "niche" audience.
Huh?
A game is a game, it either works well or it doesn't.
Saying that DF is "special" and needs a different type of review is just yet another in the long line of excuses that the game's fans make for the problems of DF.
Honestly, DF ended up nothing special, it's at the best a fair game and most of the reviews show that.
If you bothered to read my profile you would find that I never have played Darkfall... where you get the idea that I am a fan I have no idea.
Sorry, I don't read poster's profiles when making a reply, ( actually, there's a poster in the DF forums that does that constantly, and I find it both creepy and borderline stalking, no offense to you of course ) I am replying to the message, not you personally here.
According to wiki; Mental retardation is a generalized disorder, characterized by subaverage cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors with onset before the age of 18. I hope this was helpful Zorvan
According to wiki; Mental retardation is a generalized disorder, characterized by subaverage cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors with onset before the age of 18. I hope this was helpful Zorvan
Apparently you have subaverage cognitive functions if you couldn't understand my comment about Darkfall people constantly using "retarded" in their replies. When i said "I wonder if this means something", I meant it presents a representation of those using the word, not the literal meaning of the word. Seriously, come back when you're capable of understanding the written word.
Sry Zorban, I don't know you, but that's 1 of the most retarded posts in this thread. What kinda logic is that?
You Darkfall guys sure love the word "retarded". Starting to wonder if that means something.
And if you can't see the logic, then I really don't know what to tell you.
That Tasos is an anti-social maniac & that reviewers should stay away from him. That is dumb. All it takes is write their devs a nice e-mail, saying who you are, that you're writing a full review, so you're asking for assistance in a couple of little things. If he's an ass & doesn't want to help, then write his reply in your review. I frankly could care less about Tasos or Darkfall. Not playing it atm. But I found the review very odd & incomplete. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of his points.
For the simple minded, I'll spell it out: telling Tasos or the players that you are a reviewer ends up with the reviewer being presented with "staged" events, not reality.
According to wiki; Mental retardation is a generalized disorder, characterized by subaverage cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors with onset before the age of 18. I hope this was helpful Zorvan
Apparently you have subaverage cognitive functions if you couldn't understand my comment about Darkfall people constantly using "retarded" in their replies. When i said "I wonder if this means something", I meant it presents a representation of those using the word, not the literal meaning of the word. Seriously, come back when you're capable of understanding the written word.
The correct way would've been: "I wonder if that says something", but since you didn't phrase yourself correctly, I thought to be kind enough & share with you that little piece of information.
Sry Zorban, I don't know you, but that's 1 of the most retarded posts in this thread. What kinda logic is that?
You Darkfall guys sure love the word "retarded". Starting to wonder if that means something.
And if you can't see the logic, then I really don't know what to tell you.
That Tasos is an anti-social maniac & that reviewers should stay away from him. That is dumb. All it takes is write their devs a nice e-mail, saying who you are, that you're writing a full review, so you're asking for assistance in a couple of little things. If he's an ass & doesn't want to help, then write his reply in your review. I frankly could care less about Tasos or Darkfall. Not playing it atm. But I found the review very odd & incomplete. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of his points.
For the simple minded, I'll spell it out: telling Tasos or the players that you are a reviewer ends up with the reviewer being presented with "staged" events, not reality.
Exactly right - you that kind of thing happen all the time in the food world.
Example #1:
A food critic goes to a restaurant and doesn't tell anybody who he is.
He gets served and treated just like any average customer.
He gets a more accurate view of how the average customer will view the food and service.
A food critic goes to a restaurant and loudly announces that he's the food critic from such-and-such food magazine. The restaurant owner will fall over himself to ensure that the critic gets the absolute best food and service.
The critic leaves happy and well-fed, but has no idea how the average customer gets treated.
For the simple minded, I'll spell it out: telling Tasos or the players that you are a reviewer ends up with the reviewer being presented with "staged" events, not reality.
Pretty clear to me Zorvan. A staged cybering would ultimately sway even the most unbiased reviewer.
Think how different this review would be if the reviewer became aware the cybering was fraudulent!?! 0/10 I said it. Think that one over.
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs.
When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs. When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
Using "your" analogy, the critic doesn't order fries and a soda, but he doesn't order the whole menu either. He samples parts and gives his opinion.
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs. When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
He also doesn't order everything on the menu that the restaurant has to offer, which would be more akin to trying all of DFO's "gameplay features". The one meal and the customer service is what the reviewer uses to base the review on.
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs. When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
I thought this was supposed to be a "sandbox." Shouldn't the reviewer play as HE wanted to play, not the way you want him to play. He played the game, he didn't like it. A lot of people don't like it. That's their opinion. They are entitled to such, just as you are entitled to your's.
If the reviewer was given a boat, doesn't that defeat the purpose of actually playing, which is what a review is supposed to be based on. Let's just give him the best gear, make him the leader of the best clan, max all of his skills.....kinda silly, right?
If the reviewer was given a boat, doesn't that defeat the purpose of actually playing, which is what a review is supposed to be based on. Let's just give him the best gear, make him the leader of the best clan, max all of his skills.....kinda silly, right?
This brings up a point in that "barrier to entry" can be a measurable portion of the review. If the reviewer, in 'x' amount of hours, was unable to experience specific features of the game, then that would be indicitive of what another player might be able to expect. Now if 'x' was 2 hours, then that might not be a big deal. If 'x' were 40 hours, people might look and decide that the barrier is too high for them to invest the initial effort.
This is not to say one way or the other about DF, but just something that occured to me as an implied portion of the review.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs. When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
" When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was"
I'm a Chef and I've been a food critic for a mid-sized city. My point of saying all that is that you have *no* idea what you're talking in regards to how a food critic operates in real life.
My brother in-law is a food critic. He orders a full meal; entree, 1st & 2nd course, dessert. At least 1 of the courses is a chef's special. It doesn't mean he'll eat the whole thing, but he'll definitely try'm. If a restaurant claims to have exquisite lasagna he'll order it.
If Darkfall claims to be mainly a PvP game & takes pride in their siege system, naval or mounted combat, player city building or whatever, how can you review this game without trying & writing about these. Keep in mind, these features are daily routines for darkfall players or something that you'll try at least once. No1 is asking him to try the impossible & to single handedly destroy a city.
Again, I'm not saying that the fries were good & the soda was cold. He's right about that. But he didn't try the lasagna & the ravioli & the tiramisu, which they pride themselves in serving. And then it's the other thing that not everybody likes italian. I, myself, am not feeling it much lately.
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You Darkfall guys sure love the word "retarded". Starting to wonder if that means something.
And if you can't see the logic, then I really don't know what to tell you.
I remember back in the day when you had to get your computer reviews from magazines, most mags used a 100% scale to review the games, personally I always found this better as maybe you would get a 60% game and a 69%, but in the 10 scale MMORPG.com uses and alot of web review sites these days they would both be a 6, so no telling them apart its a really vague system. But really any game that would rate at around 60% was usualy garbage or flawed anyway.
seems fair enough
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Great review but failboat+unplayable does not = 6, unless your missing the - key on your keyboard.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
$$$ vs real review ??
What is it .....none will ever know
Very disappointed with this review, I find it too simplistic. Maybe they should have got someone with more experience in older MMO's to do it.
"if you are a casual gamer in any way, avoid this like the plague itself" - maybe in your opinion, but I have played this game casually since february and still enjoy it. As long as you don't adopt the ADD generation mindset of "I must be maxxed out straight away" and actually just play the game it is a fun game to play casually, either solo or in group events.
I hope this simple review does not prevent people from trying the game, because a large number of people will enjoy something thats not just another theme park. The best way to rate a game is to work out if you are yawning at 2 am while playing it, in WoW, Aion (first 20 levels anyway) etc, yep theres no adrenalin, in Darkfall you need your gameface on whenever you play, whether its casually or not.
This weekend I could play the Aion beta or play Darkfall, the choice is easy, Darkfall.
I don't want "polish", I want fun, a challenge, a good mix of politics and immersion.
Playing: Darkfall New Dawn (and planning to play Fallout 76)
Favourite games have included: UO, Lineage2, Darkfall, Lotro, Baldur's Gate, SSX, FF7 and yes the original Wizardry on an Apple IIe
Huh?
A game is a game, it either works well or it doesn't.
Saying that DF is "special" and needs a different type of review is just yet another in the long line of excuses that the game's fans make for the problems of DF.
Honestly, DF ended up nothing special, it's at the best a fair game and most of the reviews show that.
You Darkfall guys sure love the word "retarded". Starting to wonder if that means something.
And if you can't see the logic, then I really don't know what to tell you.
That Tasos is an anti-social maniac & that reviewers should stay away from him. That is dumb. All it takes is write their devs a nice e-mail, saying who you are, that you're writing a full review, so you're asking for assistance in a couple of little things. If he's an ass & doesn't want to help, then write his reply in your review. I frankly could care less about Tasos or Darkfall. Not playing it atm. But I found the review very odd & incomplete. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of his points.
Huh?
A game is a game, it either works well or it doesn't.
Saying that DF is "special" and needs a different type of review is just yet another in the long line of excuses that the game's fans make for the problems of DF.
Honestly, DF ended up nothing special, it's at the best a fair game and most of the reviews show that.
If you bothered to read my profile you would find that I never have played Darkfall... where you get the idea that I am a fan I have no idea. I also can not see where I said it was a good game, I merely pointed out that some people would like it and many will not, all of which I based upon a large range of reviews.
Huh?
A game is a game, it either works well or it doesn't.
Saying that DF is "special" and needs a different type of review is just yet another in the long line of excuses that the game's fans make for the problems of DF.
Honestly, DF ended up nothing special, it's at the best a fair game and most of the reviews show that.
If you bothered to read my profile you would find that I never have played Darkfall... where you get the idea that I am a fan I have no idea.
Sorry, I don't read poster's profiles when making a reply, ( actually, there's a poster in the DF forums that does that constantly, and I find it both creepy and borderline stalking, no offense to you of course ) I am replying to the message, not you personally here.
According to wiki; Mental retardation is a generalized disorder, characterized by subaverage cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors with onset before the age of 18. I hope this was helpful Zorvan
Apparently you have subaverage cognitive functions if you couldn't understand my comment about Darkfall people constantly using "retarded" in their replies. When i said "I wonder if this means something", I meant it presents a representation of those using the word, not the literal meaning of the word. Seriously, come back when you're capable of understanding the written word.
You Darkfall guys sure love the word "retarded". Starting to wonder if that means something.
And if you can't see the logic, then I really don't know what to tell you.
That Tasos is an anti-social maniac & that reviewers should stay away from him. That is dumb. All it takes is write their devs a nice e-mail, saying who you are, that you're writing a full review, so you're asking for assistance in a couple of little things. If he's an ass & doesn't want to help, then write his reply in your review. I frankly could care less about Tasos or Darkfall. Not playing it atm. But I found the review very odd & incomplete. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of his points.
For the simple minded, I'll spell it out: telling Tasos or the players that you are a reviewer ends up with the reviewer being presented with "staged" events, not reality.
Apparently you have subaverage cognitive functions if you couldn't understand my comment about Darkfall people constantly using "retarded" in their replies. When i said "I wonder if this means something", I meant it presents a representation of those using the word, not the literal meaning of the word. Seriously, come back when you're capable of understanding the written word.
The correct way would've been: "I wonder if that says something", but since you didn't phrase yourself correctly, I thought to be kind enough & share with you that little piece of information.
You Darkfall guys sure love the word "retarded". Starting to wonder if that means something.
And if you can't see the logic, then I really don't know what to tell you.
That Tasos is an anti-social maniac & that reviewers should stay away from him. That is dumb. All it takes is write their devs a nice e-mail, saying who you are, that you're writing a full review, so you're asking for assistance in a couple of little things. If he's an ass & doesn't want to help, then write his reply in your review. I frankly could care less about Tasos or Darkfall. Not playing it atm. But I found the review very odd & incomplete. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of his points.
For the simple minded, I'll spell it out: telling Tasos or the players that you are a reviewer ends up with the reviewer being presented with "staged" events, not reality.
Exactly right - you that kind of thing happen all the time in the food world.
Example #1:
A food critic goes to a restaurant and doesn't tell anybody who he is.
He gets served and treated just like any average customer.
He gets a more accurate view of how the average customer will view the food and service.
Example #2
A food critic goes to a restaurant and loudly announces that he's the food critic from such-and-such food magazine. The restaurant owner will fall over himself to ensure that the critic gets the absolute best food and service.
The critic leaves happy and well-fed, but has no idea how the average customer gets treated.
See the difference?
Pretty clear to me Zorvan. A staged cybering would ultimately sway even the most unbiased reviewer.
Think how different this review would be if the reviewer became aware the cybering was fraudulent!?! 0/10 I said it. Think that one over.
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs.
When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
Using "your" analogy, the critic doesn't order fries and a soda, but he doesn't order the whole menu either. He samples parts and gives his opinion.
He also doesn't order everything on the menu that the restaurant has to offer, which would be more akin to trying all of DFO's "gameplay features". The one meal and the customer service is what the reviewer uses to base the review on.
I thought this was supposed to be a "sandbox." Shouldn't the reviewer play as HE wanted to play, not the way you want him to play. He played the game, he didn't like it. A lot of people don't like it. That's their opinion. They are entitled to such, just as you are entitled to your's.
If the reviewer was given a boat, doesn't that defeat the purpose of actually playing, which is what a review is supposed to be based on. Let's just give him the best gear, make him the leader of the best clan, max all of his skills.....kinda silly, right?
^^This
I would personally give it a 4 but to each his own
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This brings up a point in that "barrier to entry" can be a measurable portion of the review. If the reviewer, in 'x' amount of hours, was unable to experience specific features of the game, then that would be indicitive of what another player might be able to expect. Now if 'x' was 2 hours, then that might not be a big deal. If 'x' were 40 hours, people might look and decide that the barrier is too high for them to invest the initial effort.
This is not to say one way or the other about DF, but just something that occured to me as an implied portion of the review.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
" When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was"
I'm a Chef and I've been a food critic for a mid-sized city. My point of saying all that is that you have *no* idea what you're talking in regards to how a food critic operates in real life.
My brother in-law is a food critic. He orders a full meal; entree, 1st & 2nd course, dessert. At least 1 of the courses is a chef's special. It doesn't mean he'll eat the whole thing, but he'll definitely try'm. If a restaurant claims to have exquisite lasagna he'll order it.
If Darkfall claims to be mainly a PvP game & takes pride in their siege system, naval or mounted combat, player city building or whatever, how can you review this game without trying & writing about these. Keep in mind, these features are daily routines for darkfall players or something that you'll try at least once. No1 is asking him to try the impossible & to single handedly destroy a city.
Again, I'm not saying that the fries were good & the soda was cold. He's right about that. But he didn't try the lasagna & the ravioli & the tiramisu, which they pride themselves in serving. And then it's the other thing that not everybody likes italian. I, myself, am not feeling it much lately.
Everyone STOP your shit!
Pocahinha has a real proposition we should not ignore.
Seriously, who are we to stand in the way of this mans wish?
Lets all agree for the betterment of this discussion and move on to this guy cutting his balls out and eating them.
Please, lets make this happen. Thanks Pocahinha, cannot wait to hear how it ends.
I dont see the problem here. I liked the review. Its fair. But,
When someone desperately wants everyone to agree and is making a commitment to us. We damn well better get to agreeing for the sake of their sanity.
Suck it up guys! Please, Please, Please, lets do this. Everyone go back, edit your posts to say: I agree.