I should be the one thanking the WoW communityy, after a lot of thought I just canceled my pre order of WoW. Why? you ask. Because some people posting over here from the WoW community have shown me the type of people I should expect to see playing WoW. WoW may very well be a good game, however I think I shall pass because MMORPG's are ultimately are no better than the community that inhabits them.
Not an incredibly smart move, as you know as much about the people you'll meet in EQ2 or WoW or any other game as anyone else does. ie: Nothing at all.
There'll be all kinds of people in the WoW community, and there'll be all kinds of people in the EQ2 community. This is a given. Both games aim for the broadest demographic possible, and so they'll both attract all kinds of people. The only factor that will actually matter will be which one you personally enjoy playing more (because of the actual game design) and if you haven't tried one of them, you could be missing out.
Chuckle while I would never judge the gameplay of a game from it's supporters, I can get a darn good idea of the maturity level (not age mind you) from the tone and attitudes of it's forums. I think WoW made a horrific mistake in not having an NDA. I have followed the beta forums for about 6 months or so now and while I still had my doubts on whether to cancel the pre order or not, the Anti EQII posts over on this forum made up my mind for me.
Anyway if it turns out EQII is not my cup of tea, I can always mosey over to the EB down the road and pick a copy up. I am still following the WoW beta forums, and quite frankly at this point it looks as if WoW is not even close to being ready for release. As I am now DL'ing EQII I will be able to judge first hand whether it is ready without listening to the rants and opinions of fanbois on either side of the fence.
I've always found that the official forums are a very poor barometer of the games community. Most of the people posting in the forums are too busy bitching and moaning there to be playing in game.
All the happy little worker bee people are all in game, buzzing contentedly from flower to flower.
Then there is the fact that people might be one way on the forums, but totally different in game. I'm much nicer in game, than on the forums, just like I'm much nicer on the forums, than I am in real life.
Originally posted by Rhoklaw I'm curious eeargy, why do you care what SOE does. Your post history has made it so very clear you don't like EQ2 or SOE. So really, why do you post so much in this forum? I have no other reasonable conclusion but to believe your jealous and you can't help it but be part of the EQ2 community. How many posts have I made in the WoW forums? 3? 4? and how many were negative? 1?2? You and me eeargy, were two different people. I don't feel the need to sell one-sided or lop-sided stories about companies or games simply because I don't like them. So thats my point and if you can't figure it out, then I can't help but feel sorry for you.
One of many, Rhojan
why does he care? Curiousity perhaps? and Vineyard i agree with u
Originally posted by Rhoklaw I agree completely with the original poster, and with this quotted poster. SoE does seem completely out of touch to me from my experience in the beta, they only have (any) ears for their fanbois who they expected to give them fantastic free pr. As usual an unfinished game (with deep systemic flaws in this case) is going to be pushed out the door to satisfy the pr men, and the money men. I was so very very hopeful about this game for a long long time before I got into the beta, and have become more and more disapointed as I've seen the game for what it is. It's very obvious to me that they were not of 1 mind as to what they wantted it to be to begin with, they've contradicted themselves many times in interviews, and the product shows this. The most obvious is how/if you can solo play the game, and is it friendly or not to the non-powergamer type. The characters are cookie-cutter, distinction is a joke. It's become a joke to see in many forums the question how many charater classes are there? 4 being the answer.... They've unfortunatley followed some basic trends, threw prettier graphics at things, and better sound and called that a major new level of gameplay, it's only cosmetics. My only hope for a real true next generation game is Vanguard. Lets see, you don't like how soloing is setup and you dont think theres enough Class diversity. MMOs aren't geared/focused around Solo players and believe it or not, I think SOE took some notable measures to help with casual players, such as Recall for quick returns to home city. As for your diversity issue, are you saying Brawlers look and fight exactly like Warriors? or are you saying Bruisers and Monks look similar. Be careful how you answer, because if you answer it wrong, then we know your lying and if you answer it right, then we know EQ2 does in fact, have diversity.
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God, any one who says anything contrary to your ideas is wrong. Try not be a raging fanboi. I was thinking of buying EQ2 but if the game will be filled with raging fanboi asshole slike you i dont think i will
Originally posted by Coldmeat I've always found that the official forums are a very poor barometer of the games community. Most of the people posting in the forums are too busy bitching and moaning there to be playing in game. All the happy little worker bee people are all in game, buzzing contentedly from flower to flower. Then there is the fact that people might be one way on the forums, but totally different in game. I'm much nicer in game, than on the forums, just like I'm much nicer on the forums, than I am in real life.
Read my posts again, it's not what they post it is the manner in which they express themselves that is the key. I agree that the the happy players are the ones in game and the dissatisfied are the ones posting their rants. However there is a difference between a well thought out and well written rant and the whining of some (mental) 14 year old. When you see a lot of those types continually posting with few if any well thought posts in reply you can pretty much get a feeling that the community will probably suck.
Of course there will be a huge amount of kids playing WoW. Look at WoW's system requirments, then look at EQ2. Look how much money these kids would have to put in their computer, at least a few hundred for the average gamer. Most all kids do not have this money and their parents will not put in that type of money for a game. I think this is one of the biggest reasons kids will be playing WoW, whether they want to play EQ2 or not, they really cant unless they have the cash. I am working my ass off to buy my own computer, not just for EQ2 but just the fact of having my own computer and being able to use it whenever I want.
I think people need to accept the fact that WoW will be having a large amount of youngsters playing the game, and that is not a bad thing. Instead of so many people critisizing them, why not help them. They are kids and they will be the ones playing MMORPGs in the years to come.
All evidence from past blizzard games proves that there will be a lot of immature youngsters playing WoW, and all evidence from past EverQuest and current proves that there will be a more mature level of gaming, plain and simple.
I really do not think so, because of the reason I have stated above. Of course there will be some kids playing EQ2, but not as many as WoW. All of my friends are playing WoW cause they have very old video cards and running 256 ram. Only one kid I know will be playing EQ2 because his whole family plays mmorpgs, and they have the system for it.
Originally posted by BaFooN All evidence from past blizzard games proves that there will be a lot of immature youngsters playing WoW, and all evidence from past EverQuest and current proves that there will be a more mature level of gaming, plain and simple.
True, I think everyone needs to accept the fact that WoW will have more kids playing. Whether they like young people playing or not.
There were a lot of kids in EQ when I played and I am sure there will be alot in WoW and EQ2! The fact wether there will be more in Wow vs EQ2 is just your opinion with no fact behind (being the games aren't even released yet!)
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Originally posted by BaFooN All evidence from past blizzard games proves that there will be a lot of immature youngsters playing WoW, and all evidence from past EverQuest and current proves that there will be a more mature level of gaming, plain and simple.
True, I think everyone needs to accept the fact that WoW will have more kids playing. Whether they like young people playing or not.
Originally posted by BaFooN Thank you for not being immature like ColdMeat, who thinks he knows everything.
Except I do. I think the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can achieve the next level in spiritual enlightenment.
But please, in the mean time, post a link. Just. one. link. Any link backing up what you said about how many kids are playing EQ2, vs how many kids are playing WoW. One link. From Blizzard. From a consumer group. Something reputable. Just one.
If you don't have anything backing up your arguement, then you're just pulling things out of thin air, and no matter how many times you tell me to die, no matter how much you wish thinking so makes you right, your arguement has no merit.
I have already stated why I think more kids will be in WoW. Also I have about 6 friends that play mmorpgs, 4 of which are going to WoW, one staying with DAOC, and the other for EQ2. This is just what I have seen from actually being a teenager.
Originally posted by BaFooN All evidence from past blizzard games proves that there will be a lot of immature youngsters playing WoW, and all evidence from past EverQuest and current proves that there will be a more mature level of gaming, plain and simple.
And whats wrong with being immature? I agree with 912..what ever that instead of whining about annoying people in game why not try to help them or humor them. Youll find not being uptight and assuming just because your older than they are that your better than them will help ALOT. thanks
Exactly, if younger kids do play a certain game, you are not forced to be associated with them. There is an ignore list. But why not just help some of the younger noobies coming to the game. Im sure alot of you would help out a 23 year old person new to mmorpgs, but not a new 13 year old. Its just that you dont want your intelligences to be affected by the dumb wited minds of kids. Come on everyone, you were kids at one time too.
BTW, this wasnt aimed at you Bafoon, it was aimed at everyone.
Oh and to answer your question "Whats wrong with being immature?" Ill give you something to think about, what if everyone you knew, including adults were immature and copied everything someone did, or was rude about everything? Thats being very immature. So, what im trying to say, is being immature itself is wrong, everyone grows out of the immature phase eventually, so no hard feelings.
Originally posted by BaFooN Oh and to answer your question "Whats wrong with being immature?" Ill give you something to think about, what if everyone you knew, including adults were immature and copied everything someone did, or was rude about everything? Thats being very immature. So, what im trying to say, is being immature itself is wrong, everyone grows out of the immature phase eventually, so no hard feelings.
being immature is fun. Taking things to seriously leads to heart attacks. All i can say is if you dont like the person leave. and dont get upest over nothing. Oh and BTW coping is a form of flattery
Lol, yea I guess sometimes copying is a form of flattery, but you should know the copying im talking about is the negative kind, that is why it is immature. And yes, I agree being serious isnt fun, and being immature can be fun, but I dont think I could take it if everyone was immature all the time.
Originally posted by BaFooN Lol, yea I guess sometimes copying is a form of flattery, but you should know the copying im talking about is the negative kind, that is why it is immature. And yes, I agree being serious isnt fun, and being immature can be fun, but I dont think I could take it if everyone was immature all the time.
Just so were clear what kind of copying are you talking about?
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Not an incredibly smart move, as you know as much about the people you'll meet in EQ2 or WoW or any other game as anyone else does. ie: Nothing at all.
There'll be all kinds of people in the WoW community, and there'll be all kinds of people in the EQ2 community. This is a given. Both games aim for the broadest demographic possible, and so they'll both attract all kinds of people. The only factor that will actually matter will be which one you personally enjoy playing more (because of the actual game design) and if you haven't tried one of them, you could be missing out.
Chuckle while I would never judge the gameplay of a game from it's supporters, I can get a darn good idea of the maturity level (not age mind you) from the tone and attitudes of it's forums. I think WoW made a horrific mistake in not having an NDA. I have followed the beta forums for about 6 months or so now and while I still had my doubts on whether to cancel the pre order or not, the Anti EQII posts over on this forum made up my mind for me.
Anyway if it turns out EQII is not my cup of tea, I can always mosey over to the EB down the road and pick a copy up. I am still following the WoW beta forums, and quite frankly at this point it looks as if WoW is not even close to being ready for release. As I am now DL'ing EQII I will be able to judge first hand whether it is ready without listening to the rants and opinions of fanbois on either side of the fence.
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I've always found that the official forums are a very poor barometer of the games community. Most of the people posting in the forums are too busy bitching and moaning there to be playing in game.
All the happy little worker bee people are all in game, buzzing contentedly from flower to flower.
Then there is the fact that people might be one way on the forums, but totally different in game. I'm much nicer in game, than on the forums, just like I'm much nicer on the forums, than I am in real life.
I miss DAoC
Of course there will be a huge amount of kids playing WoW. Look at WoW's system requirments, then look at EQ2. Look how much money these kids would have to put in their computer, at least a few hundred for the average gamer. Most all kids do not have this money and their parents will not put in that type of money for a game. I think this is one of the biggest reasons kids will be playing WoW, whether they want to play EQ2 or not, they really cant unless they have the cash. I am working my ass off to buy my own computer, not just for EQ2 but just the fact of having my own computer and being able to use it whenever I want.
I think people need to accept the fact that WoW will be having a large amount of youngsters playing the game, and that is not a bad thing. Instead of so many people critisizing them, why not help them. They are kids and they will be the ones playing MMORPGs in the years to come.
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And you think you're the only one?
There will be just as many kids in WoW as EQ2.
All evidence from past blizzard games proves that there will be a lot of immature youngsters playing WoW, and all evidence from past EverQuest and current proves that there will be a more mature level of gaming, plain and simple.
I really do not think so, because of the reason I have stated above. Of course there will be some kids playing EQ2, but not as many as WoW. All of my friends are playing WoW cause they have very old video cards and running 256 ram. Only one kid I know will be playing EQ2 because his whole family plays mmorpgs, and they have the system for it.
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True, I think everyone needs to accept the fact that WoW will have more kids playing. Whether they like young people playing or not.
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Thank you for not being immature like ColdMeat, who thinks he knows everything.
Oops I read your last post wrong.
True, I think everyone needs to accept the fact that WoW will have more kids playing. Whether they like young people playing or not.
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Cant disagree with that, its completely true
Except I do. I think the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can achieve the next level in spiritual enlightenment.
But please, in the mean time, post a link. Just. one. link. Any link backing up what you said about how many kids are playing EQ2, vs how many kids are playing WoW. One link. From Blizzard. From a consumer group. Something reputable. Just one.
If you don't have anything backing up your arguement, then you're just pulling things out of thin air, and no matter how many times you tell me to die, no matter how much you wish thinking so makes you right, your arguement has no merit.
I have already stated why I think more kids will be in WoW. Also I have about 6 friends that play mmorpgs, 4 of which are going to WoW, one staying with DAOC, and the other for EQ2. This is just what I have seen from actually being a teenager.
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What are you talking about, read the next post I made on this forum before accusing people of something your not sure of.
Exactly, if younger kids do play a certain game, you are not forced to be associated with them. There is an ignore list. But why not just help some of the younger noobies coming to the game. Im sure alot of you would help out a 23 year old person new to mmorpgs, but not a new 13 year old. Its just that you dont want your intelligences to be affected by the dumb wited minds of kids. Come on everyone, you were kids at one time too.
BTW, this wasnt aimed at you Bafoon, it was aimed at everyone.
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Oh and to answer your question "Whats wrong with being immature?" Ill give you something to think about, what if everyone you knew, including adults were immature and copied everything someone did, or was rude about everything? Thats being very immature. So, what im trying to say, is being immature itself is wrong, everyone grows out of the immature phase eventually, so no hard feelings.
Lol, yea I guess sometimes copying is a form of flattery, but you should know the copying im talking about is the negative kind, that is why it is immature. And yes, I agree being serious isnt fun, and being immature can be fun, but I dont think I could take it if everyone was immature all the time.
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