Or maybe if your co-worker fails to be as good a worker as you are - you'd like to be blamed for his poor work. LOL!
You've obviously never had a real job, because this is exactly the case in alot of jobs.
If you're being blamed for a co-workers bad performance...then that company you work for must really suck. lol
Nope, it's how stuff gets done. It's an old military tradition dating back to the first civilizations and most good companies model themselves after military structure. They even teach "The Art of War" in business school.
Or maybe if your co-worker fails to be as good a worker as you are - you'd like to be blamed for his poor work. LOL!
You've obviously never had a real job, because this is exactly the case in alot of jobs.
If you're being blamed for a co-workers bad performance...then that company you work for must really suck. lol
Nope, it's how stuff gets done. It's an old military tradition dating back to the first civilizations and most good companies model themselves after military structure. They even teach "The Art of War" in business school.
Again I do not know what company you work for but I wouldn't work for them and I doubt many others would either. BTW how many huge corps have you worked for. I have worked for my share and none operate like you suggest. If they did this would be just plain stupid. Example. John does a poor job and you do a great job I'll just fire you and keep John. See how stupid that sounds.
What i hate is, why some people cant understand that other people dont like wow, and they immediately see this as a personal attack on them. I dont like wow, i dont think its a good game..fucking deal with it. A lot of the hate for wow is because of the games community, they troll every game thats newly released, calling it a wow clone, asian grinder or saying how its going to fail. I hate the wow community and the zombie sheep who play the game, its not a good game and even if it had 100 million subscriptions its stilll a very average mmo.
ps: i dont hate blizzard, i think they make great games, but wow is not great at all. its a cash cow, used to make the great games like diablo3 and starcraft 2, so i thank the wow subscribers for contributing to the development of other blizzard titles that i do like.
It's okay to hate a game and like a company. There is no doubt about it. But to repeated blame Blizzard or WoW for other companies development decisions is 100% foolish. You don't blame McDonald's because Wendy's food sucks. You just go order your next burger at Ruby Tuesday's. Get the point?
good point.
i dont see why people who clearly dont like the game, hate it (yeah not liking and hating it to the oblivion are two different things)
and spam every possible thread and forum. id say that could actually be called some kind of massive psichological disorder.
blizzard managed to make a game that appeals to masses. thats a rare success. doesnt that deserve atleast some respect even if you dont like the game? i think it does.
damn... people are so... black and white. they are either fanboys or haters. where is the middle? why cant people look at stuff they dont like from a little distance and have some constructive opinion about everything?
Again I do not know what company you work for but I wouldn't work for them and I doubt many others would either. BTW how many huge corps have you worked for. I have worked for my share and none operate like you suggest. If they did this would be just plain stupid. Example. John does a poor job and you do a great job I'll just fire you and keep John. See how stupid that sounds.
Sad to say, but he's not too far off the mark.
I have some experience with this as I work for a multinational company; if John does a poor job and Teala does a great job, then what will happen is that the management will determine that the "John and Teala" department is only performing at an average level and might just shut the whole thing down.
It's stupid and shortsighted but hey, that's management thinking in a nutshell.
I don't think this little tangent bears any relevance to the topic at hand though; MMO developers are competitors not coworkers so the logic doesn't stand up.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Again I do not know what company you work for but I wouldn't work for them and I doubt many others would either. BTW how many huge corps have you worked for. I have worked for my share and none operate like you suggest. If they did this would be just plain stupid. Example. John does a poor job and you do a great job I'll just fire you and keep John. See how stupid that sounds.
Sad to say, but he's not too far off the mark.
I have some experience with this as I work for a multinational company; if John does a poor job and Teala does a great job, then what will happen is that the management will determine that the "John and Teala" department is only performing at an average level and might just shut the whole thing down.
It's stupid and shortsighted but hey, that's management thinking in a nutshell.
I don't think this little tangent bears any relevance to the topic at hand though; MMO developers are competitors not coworkers so the logic doesn't stand up.
Not the corps I have worked for in the past. I use to work for such companies like HP and Canon and they do not reward good work by firing you and they sure don't fire you if a co-worker is performing poorly. They just fire that worker and get someone else that does a better job.
Not the corps I have worked for in the past. I use to work for such companies like HP and Canon and they do not reward good work by firing you and they sure don't fire you if a co-worker is performing poorly. They just fire that worker and get someone else that does a better job.
Either you've been lucky, or I've been unlucky.
My company shut down 12 sites last year and laid off over a thousand people because we "only" made £400 million profit for the year. Scumbags, I tell ya.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Not the corps I have worked for in the past. I use to work for such companies like HP and Canon and they do not reward good work by firing you and they sure don't fire you if a co-worker is performing poorly. They just fire that worker and get someone else that does a better job.
Either you've been lucky, or I've been unlucky.
My company shut down 12 sites last year and laid off over a thousand people because we "only" made £400 million profit for the year. Scumbags, I tell ya.
So you're using an economic slow down or your company restructuring or downsizing to justify your argument? Because that it what it sounds like. Anyone that can sit and say that yeah I will keep John over Tom even if Tom is the better employee and John sucks and doesn't perform as he should - I'd fire you, too.
People are constantly slamming Blizzard for all the POS MMORPG's that have been released since its debut and this is just silly. Let's look at this from another angle. If Ford produces a bad car do we blame Honda? If Maytag produces a bad washer to we blame Westinghouse? No. You blame the people responsible - the company behind the product. Why is it then that in the case of MMORPG's when ever a game is released and it turns out bad so many people turn and point the finger at Blizzard instead of the people and company behind the game? Did Blizzard make the game? Did they produce the game? Did they have anything to do with the gmes design or how it was programmed or what direction the games designer took it? The simple and correct answer is - No. No they did not. It was the games designers and producers that created and released the game and not Blizzard. If they triedto copy Blizzard's game design and failed - then it is still not Blizzards fault but the company that tried to copy it - it is their fault. So the next time you go pointing a finger at Blizzard - think about the reality of it. Blizzard didn't make that game - that other company did. They designed it. They produced it. They released it. Just as when Ford makes a car that is bad we don't go blaming Honda for it - we blame Ford.
maybe. But WoW still blows. I don't see a bunch of company's going around making Halo FPS shooters. Plus the only monthly income is that of sold copy's. Anyone caught saying Halo clone would be shunned as a dumbass as well you know why? because Halo didn't make the FPS genre. WoW players are constantly slamming other MMOs saying they took "this and that" from WoW when in their infinite wisdom fail to realize existed in multiple games before WoW was even made. WoW managed to spawn an assload of non gamers into a world they know nothing about. So on that note what company would stand a chance against making a new game for a non gamer already.
So you're using an economic slow down or your company restructuring or downsizing to justify your argument? Because that it what it sounds like. Anyone that can sit and say that yeah I will keep John over Tom even if Tom is the better employee and John sucks and doesn't perform as he should - I'd fire you, too.
I'm not trying to justify an argument, I'm merely presenting a differing viewpoint based on personal experience. The company I work for is ran by people who would sell their proverbial grannies if they thought it would increase their profit margins.
Nepotism is also rife; if John was the son/cousin/nephew/friend of a member of management then he would be spared the axe at the expense of a more skilled employee because, well .. because that's just the way it is.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
People are constantly slamming Blizzard for all the POS MMORPG's that have been released since its debut and this is just silly. Let's look at this from another angle. If Ford produces a bad car do we blame Honda? If Maytag produces a bad washer to we blame Westinghouse? No. You blame the people responsible - the company behind the product. Why is it then that in the case of MMORPG's when ever a game is released and it turns out bad so many people turn and point the finger at Blizzard instead of the people and company behind the game? Did Blizzard make the game? Did they produce the game? Did they have anything to do with the gmes design or how it was programmed or what direction the games designer took it? The simple and correct answer is - No. No they did not. It was the games designers and producers that created and released the game and not Blizzard. If they triedto copy Blizzard's game design and failed - then it is still not Blizzards fault but the company that tried to copy it - it is their fault. So the next time you go pointing a finger at Blizzard - think about the reality of it. Blizzard didn't make that game - that other company did. They designed it. They produced it. They released it. Just as when Ford makes a car that is bad we don't go blaming Honda for it - we blame Ford.
maybe. But WoW still blows. I don't see a bunch of company's going around making Halo FPS shooters. Plus the only monthly income is that of sold copy's. Anyone caught saying Halo clone would be shunned as a dumbass as well you know why? because Halo didn't make the FPS genre. WoW players are constantly slamming other MMOs saying they took "this and that" from WoW when in their infinite wisdom fail to realize existed in multiple games before WoW was even made. WoW managed to spawn an assload of non gamers into a world they know nothing about. So on that note what company would stand a chance against making a new game for a non gamer already.
Well said. Fantasy MMO's all have similarities. What i see is more a morphing than cloning. By this i mean dumbing down and simplifying things to attract the non gamers that have flocked to WOW.
Nothing wrong with bringing non-gamers to the market, this isn't some exclusive club.
How do we know they are non-gamers? just because it may be their first mmo doesn't mean much. They could have been gaming in many other ways.
People need someone to blame, its gonna be blizzard until some other MMO takes the spotlight then they will blame that one.
Its funny to read all this bashing and hatred of new MMO players though, show's the people doing it are no better then the new people they seem to hate.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Nothing wrong with bringing non-gamers to the market, this isn't some exclusive club. How do we know they are non-gamers? just because it may be their first mmo doesn't mean much. They could have been gaming in many other ways. People need someone to blame, its gonna be blizzard until some other MMO takes the spotlight then they will blame that one. Its funny to read all this bashing and hatred of new MMO players though, show's the people doing it are no better then the new people they seem to hate.
Nothing at all wrong with bringing new people to the genre. Its when these people turn into fanboys and talk gibberish about how WOW is best when they have nothing else to compare it too. As for just being new to MMO's i met two people in WOW who had never played any video games before but i guess they could be the only two out of.....how many billion is it today?
Nothing wrong with bringing non-gamers to the market, this isn't some exclusive club. How do we know they are non-gamers? just because it may be their first mmo doesn't mean much. They could have been gaming in many other ways. People need someone to blame, its gonna be blizzard until some other MMO takes the spotlight then they will blame that one. Its funny to read all this bashing and hatred of new MMO players though, show's the people doing it are no better then the new people they seem to hate.
You are right i should just call anyone who says "WoW clone" an uneducated gamer. Because they obviously don't know what they are talking about.
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You've obviously never had a real job, because this is exactly the case in alot of jobs.
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You've obviously never had a real job, because this is exactly the case in alot of jobs.
If you're being blamed for a co-workers bad performance...then that company you work for must really suck. lol
You've obviously never had a real job, because this is exactly the case in alot of jobs.
If you're being blamed for a co-workers bad performance...then that company you work for must really suck. lol
Nope, it's how stuff gets done. It's an old military tradition dating back to the first civilizations and most good companies model themselves after military structure. They even teach "The Art of War" in business school.
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You've obviously never had a real job, because this is exactly the case in alot of jobs.
If you're being blamed for a co-workers bad performance...then that company you work for must really suck. lol
Nope, it's how stuff gets done. It's an old military tradition dating back to the first civilizations and most good companies model themselves after military structure. They even teach "The Art of War" in business school.
Again I do not know what company you work for but I wouldn't work for them and I doubt many others would either. BTW how many huge corps have you worked for. I have worked for my share and none operate like you suggest. If they did this would be just plain stupid. Example. John does a poor job and you do a great job I'll just fire you and keep John. See how stupid that sounds.
It's okay to hate a game and like a company. There is no doubt about it. But to repeated blame Blizzard or WoW for other companies development decisions is 100% foolish. You don't blame McDonald's because Wendy's food sucks. You just go order your next burger at Ruby Tuesday's. Get the point?
good point.
i dont see why people who clearly dont like the game, hate it (yeah not liking and hating it to the oblivion are two different things)
and spam every possible thread and forum. id say that could actually be called some kind of massive psichological disorder.
blizzard managed to make a game that appeals to masses. thats a rare success. doesnt that deserve atleast some respect even if you dont like the game? i think it does.
damn... people are so... black and white. they are either fanboys or haters. where is the middle? why cant people look at stuff they dont like from a little distance and have some constructive opinion about everything?
Sad to say, but he's not too far off the mark.
I have some experience with this as I work for a multinational company; if John does a poor job and Teala does a great job, then what will happen is that the management will determine that the "John and Teala" department is only performing at an average level and might just shut the whole thing down.
It's stupid and shortsighted but hey, that's management thinking in a nutshell.
I don't think this little tangent bears any relevance to the topic at hand though; MMO developers are competitors not coworkers so the logic doesn't stand up.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Sad to say, but he's not too far off the mark.
I have some experience with this as I work for a multinational company; if John does a poor job and Teala does a great job, then what will happen is that the management will determine that the "John and Teala" department is only performing at an average level and might just shut the whole thing down.
It's stupid and shortsighted but hey, that's management thinking in a nutshell.
I don't think this little tangent bears any relevance to the topic at hand though; MMO developers are competitors not coworkers so the logic doesn't stand up.
Not the corps I have worked for in the past. I use to work for such companies like HP and Canon and they do not reward good work by firing you and they sure don't fire you if a co-worker is performing poorly. They just fire that worker and get someone else that does a better job.
Either you've been lucky, or I've been unlucky.
My company shut down 12 sites last year and laid off over a thousand people because we "only" made £400 million profit for the year. Scumbags, I tell ya.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Either you've been lucky, or I've been unlucky.
My company shut down 12 sites last year and laid off over a thousand people because we "only" made £400 million profit for the year. Scumbags, I tell ya.
So you're using an economic slow down or your company restructuring or downsizing to justify your argument? Because that it what it sounds like. Anyone that can sit and say that yeah I will keep John over Tom even if Tom is the better employee and John sucks and doesn't perform as he should - I'd fire you, too.
maybe. But WoW still blows. I don't see a bunch of company's going around making Halo FPS shooters. Plus the only monthly income is that of sold copy's. Anyone caught saying Halo clone would be shunned as a dumbass as well you know why? because Halo didn't make the FPS genre. WoW players are constantly slamming other MMOs saying they took "this and that" from WoW when in their infinite wisdom fail to realize existed in multiple games before WoW was even made. WoW managed to spawn an assload of non gamers into a world they know nothing about. So on that note what company would stand a chance against making a new game for a non gamer already.
I'm not trying to justify an argument, I'm merely presenting a differing viewpoint based on personal experience. The company I work for is ran by people who would sell their proverbial grannies if they thought it would increase their profit margins.
Nepotism is also rife; if John was the son/cousin/nephew/friend of a member of management then he would be spared the axe at the expense of a more skilled employee because, well .. because that's just the way it is.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
maybe. But WoW still blows. I don't see a bunch of company's going around making Halo FPS shooters. Plus the only monthly income is that of sold copy's. Anyone caught saying Halo clone would be shunned as a dumbass as well you know why? because Halo didn't make the FPS genre. WoW players are constantly slamming other MMOs saying they took "this and that" from WoW when in their infinite wisdom fail to realize existed in multiple games before WoW was even made. WoW managed to spawn an assload of non gamers into a world they know nothing about. So on that note what company would stand a chance against making a new game for a non gamer already.
Well said. Fantasy MMO's all have similarities. What i see is more a morphing than cloning. By this i mean dumbing down and simplifying things to attract the non gamers that have flocked to WOW.
Nothing wrong with bringing non-gamers to the market, this isn't some exclusive club.
How do we know they are non-gamers? just because it may be their first mmo doesn't mean much. They could have been gaming in many other ways.
People need someone to blame, its gonna be blizzard until some other MMO takes the spotlight then they will blame that one.
Its funny to read all this bashing and hatred of new MMO players though, show's the people doing it are no better then the new people they seem to hate.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Nothing at all wrong with bringing new people to the genre. Its when these people turn into fanboys and talk gibberish about how WOW is best when they have nothing else to compare it too. As for just being new to MMO's i met two people in WOW who had never played any video games before but i guess they could be the only two out of.....how many billion is it today?
You are right i should just call anyone who says "WoW clone" an uneducated gamer. Because they obviously don't know what they are talking about.