Sorry to be off topic again, but Aeryth would you possibly be bored enough to make me a quick sig?
Anything with EQ2 theme dark elf guy with the name Phate? If not i TOTALLY understand hehe but no one replies to the official sig thread anymore and I cant make one with "Paint" lol
Originally posted by anarchyart Sorry to be off topic again, but Aeryth would you possibly be bored enough to make me a quick sig? Anything with EQ2 theme dark elf guy with the name Phate? If not i TOTALLY understand hehe but no one replies to the official sig thread anymore and I cant make one with "Paint" lol
can u send me a ss of your character? or u don't have one yet?
Originally posted by linkeq2002 I really HIGHLY doubt that there will ever be more then 4 char slots per account for several reasons. 1) Same as in SWG having more then a few characters (in that case 2, including the FS slot) per server meant a lot more player homes meaning a lot of empty space being used up, freeport for example if people could have 8 chars would be a gigantic sprawling metropolis. all character housing is instanced. only leet guilds will have non instansed housing which means you can have 100 characters with houses and it's not taking up any more space (at least not in the zone anyways.) 2) SOE databases are fairly poor, if you played SWG you'd know this as items allowed or alloted and buildings allowed were lessoned in beta, and soon after launch because it was to taxing on their poorly done database. It's unfortunate but dems de breaks that's just an opinion. there's no fact in that statement about EQ2.
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sorry to be such a [insert discriptive adj. here]. i just don't see why people take things out of context and shouting 'that's not fair'. if it was official for release, i'd be voicing my concerns about it too. but it's not people. until then, you're standing on a soap box, and the only people that are listening are the one's that don't know anything.
the only threads that are not getting locked are the ones that talk about how they would like to have X characters per server or whatever. not comming to conclusions that they will have 4 characters when going live and complaining at how unjust that is. there's a big difference there.
I've got to backup Aeryith on this. Moorgard's answer to this is far too vague to be an "Official statement." If they are locking down threads it's more than likely because of people going absolutely insane over the topic and having no "official statement" to draw their conclusions from, which basically means everything is just hyperacclerated opinion.
IF it is true, I personally woudn't have a problem with it as long as I have much more storage rom than I do now in EQ1. Several people in that game have mules for their mules because there isn't enough room in their invnetory. Of course some people are just packrats too.
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The question he answered was about release (original poster)
A GM later said he was speaking about release
So I would be a betting man this is what their policy is for retail as of now (its what, 13 days from release? I am SURE they know what their retail plan is by now).
Originally posted by anarchyart Sorry to be off topic again, but Aeryth would you possibly be bored enough to make me a quick sig? Anything with EQ2 theme dark elf guy with the name Phate? If not i TOTALLY understand hehe but no one replies to the official sig thread anymore and I cant make one with "Paint" lol
can u send me a ss of your character? or u don't have one yet?
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
All I have is a screen shot from the everquest 2 character creation screen but He looks good Just a face shot like yours how can I send it to you?
Originally posted by Jokester Well-if it is true... In a game with 2 factions, 8 races and 24 classes, thats over 300 different character choices. And you get to pick only 4? Something wrong with that logic I think. Next thing ya know, you'll get pre-assigned character selection?
Oooooo...preassigned character selection. Thats sounds cool. I hope they try that...maybe on a different server type. That would be cool. Good idea Jokester...you should send that to SOE.
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They give you a game with many races and class combos to try out but only let you make 4 characters total. Meaning you will have to delete one or more of your current characters if you want to try out something new.
"hey SOE what are those things over your eyes?......Oh they are dollar signs now I see"
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Originally posted by jimothypetro Yup it's obvious that they are doing it so some people will buy 2+ accounts.. I just think it's a really, really crappy move... made by an already crappy company. ----------------------------------
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It may convince quite a few players to have more then 1 account. However, the vast majority will limit itself to 1 account, which mean they will either use the delete button or grow tired and lose interest in 1 more aspect(alternates army aspect).
It is a short term money grabbing move with a complete lack of vision. Exemple: I never delete a character myself, so in a game when I cant developp something new(on the same toon preferrably or on an alternate as a last resort), I consider I am done with the game...and when I am done, I leave.
They always have encourage dual boxing, and they will always keep going that way. I think it is a poor strategy, but you have to accept it or leave. Personnally I would have prefer a system where dual boxing is not something you seriously consider(AKA, a game that require a LOT from you, so having a dual boxed character is towing someone else and slowing you considerably, to keep buffs if the buffer need to be in your group or they leave(like DAoC), well, it certainly start to deter dual boxing right away, dont it?).
Pre-assigned characters? Well, if they implement it, it will be hidden, so you know what class they are only AFTER you level up, that would be SoE ways. Free to delete and reset at will...
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Originally posted by Maabus1999 The question he answered was about release (original poster) A GM later said he was speaking about release So I would be a betting man this is what their policy is for retail as of now (its what, 13 days from release? I am SURE they know what their retail plan is by now).
Yes, but he didn't answer it, did he? He just confirmed that "you have" (as in present) 4 character slots. Not "You will have 4 character slots when the game goes retail." So either one of two things are going on here:
1. They ARE going to have 4 slots and are neither confirming or denying it.
2. They are NOT going to have 4 slots and are neither confirming or denying that.
What does that tell us? Absolutely nothing. And that's exactly what everyone knows.
So, no one really knows until something official is stated for retail. It's the people's mass hysteria that's got everyone worried. Just like when people were panicing about the price. People came to their own conclusions and people got all panic-y because they didn't take the time to realize that the info wasn't officially released.
Rumors regarding internal SOE matters. Although part of me would love to debunk every crazy rumor that comes around, if I start responding to that kind of post then certain people will just use them to try to bait a response out of me. I'm not going to play that game. The lack of a response from me is not an acknowledgment of truth, just a sign that I won't dignify such threads with a response.
note* he has not said anything about how many character spots there will be at launch. there was no refrence to it, maybe implied, but still, that's far from an official word.
I think you're wishing too much. SOE is always slow updating its FAQs for one, and secondly, with over 300 posts on the subject, and a GM saying Moorgard was talking about release, if this was NOT true, you think they would've said something. Screw their "internal matters", this is something he already stated, not some rumor someone made up. If it was not for retail, he would have clarified himself, but he has not. They are most likely locking the threads because they A.) Don't want it to spam the forums and B.) They have a rule about having one thread per topic generally.
Plus, this fits PERFECTLY into previous SOE practices. However, if strong enough outcry happens, maybe you'll see a change, but I doubt it this close to retail. These hardware mechanics are pretty well set in place.
Maybe you should go demand clarification in the beta forums...but right now it points to release 100%. Trying to figure out his definition of "have" is like when Bill Clinton tried to tell everyone what the definition of "is" is...
I'm one of the people who is on the fence about the game. The beta is ok, the game has some potential, but I find that my general impression is that the game is a bit of a let down.
SOE has earned my mistrust through past actions and I know I'm not alone. Thier reputation among players is getting so bad that it is costing them customers, yet, they continue on the same self destructive path.
This announcement is par for that course and is a huge turn off for me when trying to decide to buy the game or not.
They have to realize that there are tons of people who are also on the fence. They seem to be rushing the game very pre-maturely to beat WoW to market, so they are concerned about the competition, yet, they make a bone head move like this that turns a lot of people off to the game and further reinforces the view that SOE is a company to be avoided.
Blizzard gave out 100,000 keys for the stress test and despite some lag one would expect under such a stress, they handled the volume very well. If the beta is truly Open and available before the EQII release, I think a lot of people who need their mmorpg fix will stick to the WoW beta and wait to see how EQII evolves.
SOE has been able to get away with stuff like this in the past, but it seems pretty non-sensical to take such a needlessly unpopular move given the competition.
Originally posted by Maabus1999 I think you're wishing too much. SOE is always slow updating its FAQs for one, and secondly, with over 300 posts on the subject, and a GM saying Moorgard was talking about release, if this was NOT true, you think they would've said something. Screw their "internal matters", this is something he already stated, not some rumor someone made up. If it was not for retail, he would have clarified himself, but he has not. They are most likely locking the threads because they A.) Don't want it to spam the forums and B.) They have a rule about having one thread per topic generally.
If I learned one thing from the three years I spent in EQ, and the 4 or so months in SWG, it's that at SOE, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, though this is true of any large company, and that the GM's didn't know anything at all(Nor did the Devs in some instances. Hi2U Alchemy is working as intended)
You guys just won't accept the fact that they wan't to make money from this product.I can't see any sort of problems with this...4 characther slots should be fine it's 3 more slot's than SWG..
If you just wan't to try out the diffrent classes and/or races, just delete one and create a new one, or simply pay more to get an extra account. Or even better sell one account with all your characthers maxed out and buy a new one if you can't have 2 active due to expensive costs.
Just an opinion, but I think people will always have something redicoulous to complain abot, If it's not the monthly fee then it's this..Just because some things where diffrent way back, doesn't meen it has to be like that now or in the future.
Not to sound like an a$$, but if it bothers you that much that we'll only get 4 character slots, do not buy the game, do not buy multiple copies of the game. SOE is about money, the only real way to get their attention is to affect their income. As they proved in SWG they can make people pay for anything they want...simply don't pay them, don't let them get away with this type of extortion, find a game that will let you have as many character slots as you want.
I really only use 2 slots as my 2 main charaters. So having 4 slots max is ok with me<ducks>. The other 2 slots I can just mess around with races/classes.
Originally posted by Hubabuba Not to sound like an a$$, but if it bothers you that much that we'll only get 4 character slots, do not buy the game, do not buy multiple copies of the game. SOE is about money, the only real way to get their attention is to affect their income. As they proved in SWG they can make people pay for anything they want...simply don't pay them, don't let them get away with this type of extortion, find a game that will let you have as many character slots as you want.
It's too funny though, isn't it? For one everyone is getting excited over unofficial interpretation. They say that it's complete BS and that SOE is just trying to take their money (which hello, that's what every business is for. No one starts a business just to tickle their fancy, the bottom line will always be money since that's what keeps buisnesses alive). And THEN they say that they don't even like the game that much anyway and that WoW or some other title will be better in the long run and what have you.
So if you don't like the game, why the commotion?
I personally am very excited about playing this game. Will definately pickup my pre-ordered copy on the 9th. IF I can only create four peeps in my account, yes I will be a tad upset. But as long as I can store all of my stuff on one character and not have to make a mule for my mule, then so be it. I never stick with more then 2 or 3 characters anyway.
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I have to ask you folks, "Who ever said they were NOT about making money?" I'd like to see an example of someone involved in any subscription-based MMOG whose actions have even implied that they aren't about the money. Of course they are about the money.
As far as the interpretation of Moorgard's remark. I ask you to read between the lines if you can't believe the statement he made:
1. Several pages of posts from people rejecting the idea of only four characters per account. 2. Finally, a one-line response clarifying and confirming the matter. 3. Now there's multiple pages of outrage. 4. They lock all the threads concerning the matter without any additional clarification or correction.
Why would they do that if the limit is for beta only? Even if they didn't know, the fact they already responded to the issue would make one tend to think they'd respond again to clarify if people misunderstood... You know, "The limit is only four for beta. We have not determined what the final number will be." That'd been an easy way to allay fans' fears, but it didn't happen.
It's obvious to me.
Nevertheless, I will continue to play the game as I had planned. It's just unfortunate that I will probably burn out quicker than I would if I had more room for alts and a refreshing game experience.
i agree we should have enuff character slots so we are able to cover every trade skill there is. i play the games mostly for this, not the combat. now EQ2 and WOW both have placed a crimp into that. also since i play at all times of the day or night depending on my situation. i cant always play with the same ppl or lvl at there same lvl. And yes there is a SANTA isnt there, but as far as SOE customer service, isnt that a myth told by the diehard gaming fans of EQ and SWG to make us believe we will get an answer to an email we sent them. i bet i can catch the lepercaun before i see or hear from SOE customer service. i really do hope they up the character slots for us players to be independant if we wish to.
A game that has 16 races and there only giving you 4 character slots...thats f**ked up. Money muney money muneyyyy du du du du moneyyyyyy , some people gots to have it ohhh yeaa yeaa.
4 slots is fine with me. One for each archetype. You can have 2 mains to alternate between, and then two extra to screw around with. Thats what I'll be doing.
Oh no, by narrowing down the slots you wont be able to make a character of every race/class/subclass/craft ! Maybe thats a good thing, you need to make a selection and stick with it! Damn, just make pick one you like and make up your mind. Then play it and get it leveled up. If you have time to get 4 characters to max level and want more slots, then Im positive that you are the type of person who wont mind paying for another account.
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Sorry to be off topic again, but Aeryth would you possibly be bored enough to make me a quick sig?
Anything with EQ2 theme dark elf guy with the name Phate? If not i TOTALLY understand hehe but no one replies to the official sig thread anymore and I cant make one with "Paint" lol
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
sorry to be such a [insert discriptive adj. here]. i just don't see why people take things out of context and shouting 'that's not fair'. if it was official for release, i'd be voicing my concerns about it too. but it's not people. until then, you're standing on a soap box, and the only people that are listening are the one's that don't know anything.
the only threads that are not getting locked are the ones that talk about how they would like to have X characters per server or whatever. not comming to conclusions that they will have 4 characters when going live and complaining at how unjust that is. there's a big difference there.
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
I've got to backup Aeryith on this. Moorgard's answer to this is far too vague to be an "Official statement." If they are locking down threads it's more than likely because of people going absolutely insane over the topic and having no "official statement" to draw their conclusions from, which basically means everything is just hyperacclerated opinion.
IF it is true, I personally woudn't have a problem with it as long as I have much more storage rom than I do now in EQ1. Several people in that game have mules for their mules because there isn't enough room in their invnetory. Of course some people are just packrats too.
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The question he answered was about release (original poster)
A GM later said he was speaking about release
So I would be a betting man this is what their policy is for retail as of now (its what, 13 days from release? I am SURE they know what their retail plan is by now).
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
All I have is a screen shot from the everquest 2 character creation screen but He looks good
Well-if it is true...
In a game with 2 factions, 8 races and 24 classes, thats over 300 different character choices.
And you get to pick only 4? Something wrong with that logic I think. Next thing ya know, you'll get pre-assigned character selection?
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This is just typical..
They give you a game with many races and class combos to try out but only let you make 4 characters total. Meaning you will have to delete one or more of your current characters if you want to try out something new.
"hey SOE what are those things over your eyes?......Oh they are dollar signs now I see"
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation."
Malcolm X.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
It may convince quite a few players to have more then 1 account. However, the vast majority will limit itself to 1 account, which mean they will either use the delete button or grow tired and lose interest in 1 more aspect(alternates army aspect).
It is a short term money grabbing move with a complete lack of vision. Exemple: I never delete a character myself, so in a game when I cant developp something new(on the same toon preferrably or on an alternate as a last resort), I consider I am done with the game...and when I am done, I leave.
They always have encourage dual boxing, and they will always keep going that way. I think it is a poor strategy, but you have to accept it or leave. Personnally I would have prefer a system where dual boxing is not something you seriously consider(AKA, a game that require a LOT from you, so having a dual boxed character is towing someone else and slowing you considerably, to keep buffs if the buffer need to be in your group or they leave(like DAoC), well, it certainly start to deter dual boxing right away, dont it?).
Pre-assigned characters? Well, if they implement it, it will be hidden, so you know what class they are only AFTER you level up, that would be SoE ways. Free to delete and reset at will...
- "Solo is, will always be, the main market. A MMORPG that succeed with little or no solo appeal is doing great considering they are ignoring the main player base.''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Yes, but he didn't answer it, did he? He just confirmed that "you have" (as in present) 4 character slots. Not "You will have 4 character slots when the game goes retail." So either one of two things are going on here:
1. They ARE going to have 4 slots and are neither confirming or denying it.
2. They are NOT going to have 4 slots and are neither confirming or denying that.
What does that tell us? Absolutely nothing. And that's exactly what everyone knows.
So, no one really knows until something official is stated for retail. It's the people's mass hysteria that's got everyone worried. Just like when people were panicing about the price. People came to their own conclusions and people got all panic-y because they didn't take the time to realize that the info wasn't officially released.
To quote Moorguard from Things Moorgard WILL NOT respond to:
Rumors regarding internal SOE matters. Although part of me would love to debunk every crazy rumor that comes around, if I start responding to that kind of post then certain people will just use them to try to bait a response out of me. I'm not going to play that game. The lack of a response from me is not an acknowledgment of truth, just a sign that I won't dignify such threads with a response.note* he has not said anything about how many character spots there will be at launch. there was no refrence to it, maybe implied, but still, that's far from an official word.
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
I think you're wishing too much. SOE is always slow updating its FAQs for one, and secondly, with over 300 posts on the subject, and a GM saying Moorgard was talking about release, if this was NOT true, you think they would've said something. Screw their "internal matters", this is something he already stated, not some rumor someone made up. If it was not for retail, he would have clarified himself, but he has not. They are most likely locking the threads because they A.) Don't want it to spam the forums and B.) They have a rule about having one thread per topic generally.
Plus, this fits PERFECTLY into previous SOE practices. However, if strong enough outcry happens, maybe you'll see a change, but I doubt it this close to retail. These hardware mechanics are pretty well set in place.
Maybe you should go demand clarification in the beta forums...but right now it points to release 100%. Trying to figure out his definition of "have" is like when Bill Clinton tried to tell everyone what the definition of "is" is...
I'm one of the people who is on the fence about the game. The beta is ok, the game has some potential, but I find that my general impression is that the game is a bit of a let down.
SOE has earned my mistrust through past actions and I know I'm not alone. Thier reputation among players is getting so bad that it is costing them customers, yet, they continue on the same self destructive path.
This announcement is par for that course and is a huge turn off for me when trying to decide to buy the game or not.
They have to realize that there are tons of people who are also on the fence. They seem to be rushing the game very pre-maturely to beat WoW to market, so they are concerned about the competition, yet, they make a bone head move like this that turns a lot of people off to the game and further reinforces the view that SOE is a company to be avoided.
Blizzard gave out 100,000 keys for the stress test and despite some lag one would expect under such a stress, they handled the volume very well. If the beta is truly Open and available before the EQII release, I think a lot of people who need their mmorpg fix will stick to the WoW beta and wait to see how EQII evolves.
SOE has been able to get away with stuff like this in the past, but it seems pretty non-sensical to take such a needlessly unpopular move given the competition.
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If I learned one thing from the three years I spent in EQ, and the 4 or so months in SWG, it's that at SOE, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, though this is true of any large company, and that the GM's didn't know anything at all(Nor did the Devs in some instances. Hi2U Alchemy is working as intended)
If you just wan't to try out the diffrent classes and/or races, just delete one and create a new one, or simply pay more to get an extra account. Or even better sell one account with all your characthers maxed out and buy a new one if you can't have 2 active due to expensive costs.
Just an opinion, but I think people will always have something redicoulous to complain abot, If it's not the monthly fee then it's this..Just because some things where diffrent way back, doesn't meen it has to be like that now or in the future.
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Not to sound like an a$$, but if it bothers you that much that we'll only get 4 character slots, do not buy the game, do not buy multiple copies of the game. SOE is about money, the only real way to get their attention is to affect their income. As they proved in SWG they can make people pay for anything they want...simply don't pay them, don't let them get away with this type of extortion, find a game that will let you have as many character slots as you want.
Four slots is fine with me
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I have to ask you folks, "Who ever said they were NOT about making money?" I'd like to see an example of someone involved in any subscription-based MMOG whose actions have even implied that they aren't about the money. Of course they are about the money.
As far as the interpretation of Moorgard's remark. I ask you to read between the lines if you can't believe the statement he made:
1. Several pages of posts from people rejecting the idea of only four characters per account.
2. Finally, a one-line response clarifying and confirming the matter.
3. Now there's multiple pages of outrage.
4. They lock all the threads concerning the matter without any additional clarification or correction.
Why would they do that if the limit is for beta only? Even if they didn't know, the fact they already responded to the issue would make one tend to think they'd respond again to clarify if people misunderstood... You know, "The limit is only four for beta. We have not determined what the final number will be." That'd been an easy way to allay fans' fears, but it didn't happen.
It's obvious to me.
Nevertheless, I will continue to play the game as I had planned. It's just unfortunate that I will probably burn out quicker than I would if I had more room for alts and a refreshing game experience.
Doesn't matter to me, I'll have multiple accounts anyway to bot with.
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BTW, Saragoth, it's just a guess ... but I'd bet you were banned for bad language.
i agree we should have enuff character slots so we are able to cover every trade skill there is. i play the games mostly for this, not the combat. now EQ2 and WOW both have placed a crimp into that. also since i play at all times of the day or night depending on my situation. i cant always play with the same ppl or lvl at there same lvl. And yes there is a SANTA isnt there, but as far as SOE customer service, isnt that a myth told by the diehard gaming fans of EQ and SWG to make us believe we will get an answer to an email we sent them. i bet i can catch the lepercaun before i see or hear from SOE customer service. i really do hope they up the character slots for us players to be independant if we wish to.
A game that has 16 races and there only giving you 4 character slots...thats f**ked up. Money muney money muneyyyy du du du du moneyyyyyy , some people gots to have it ohhh yeaa yeaa.
4 slots is fine with me. One for each archetype. You can have 2 mains to alternate between, and then two extra to screw around with. Thats what I'll be doing.
Oh no, by narrowing down the slots you wont be able to make a character of every race/class/subclass/craft ! Maybe thats a good thing, you need to make a selection and stick with it! Damn, just make pick one you like and make up your mind. Then play it and get it leveled up. If you have time to get 4 characters to max level and want more slots, then Im positive that you are the type of person who wont mind paying for another account.