Lets make the thread 20 pages long, then I can come back and say that I will go and SANDBOX it up in FE again and we can continue yapping about it for 10 more pages. I'll just pop in every 10 pages to tell the clueless among us that: Fallen earth feels much more sandboxy then EVE (I played EVE for 3 years off and on)... to ME... as in... I have much more freedom as to which play style I'm going to play for the day and how to progress my character. EVE is so much more restrictive is not even funny, even though CCP devs like to claim their game is a sandbox, which is funny to me. Now continue with your theories about why EVE is and FE isnt a sandbox while I go have fun playing one the most interesting and immersive game I've ever played (playing video games since early 80`s) I promise to come back and read them.
I agree with you... partially.
EVE Online sertainly is a sandbox MMO. You can do whatever you want. It just takes a shitload of time.
I agree today. When having to compete with people with well over 35million SP who played since launch. That you will have to specialize and restrict yourself in the beginning to be able to compete in PVP in not too long of a time. But after that, you can do whatever you like.
In FE it's pretty much the same. It just takes a little less time......... for now. As ultimately FE is suppose to get to having 150 levels. Wich is a lot.
And when it comes to that. Any new player joining then, will be in the same boat, as new players in EVE Online today.
They will have to restrict themselves in the beginning and specialize, so they can compete in not too long a time and then they can continue and do whatever they like.
Cheers
I actually started playing EVE several months before I switched over to FE and stopped EVE because of that issue right there. I had done my research and loved the idea that EVE would give me the freedom to do whatever I wished, only to find out that as a 'noob' to the game I wouldn't have any freedom for months at least unless I first clawed my way out a specialized approach to dealing with the old timers. It basically had little to no freedom for a new player in its already built game world. Sad too because I love the potential and mechanics of the game too.
And your right, FE will probably fall into the same boat IF they don't take care to avoid it in the present. It may be why FE has those Theme Park features included in it that makes it a hybrid. It being more of a mix than a sandbox may be the one saving virtue of the game 4 years down the road for new players.
It's just how it is with all RPG type games.
Be it Sandbox or Level-class themepark based.
When you now start WoW or EQ2. You will have to struggle through 80 levels to hook up to the existing playerbase. And soon with their upcoming expansions it will be 90 levels.
With EVE Online and FE it's the same. As MMO games grow and evolve over the years and for new players it will be harder and longer to catch up with the settled community.
So. Sandbox or not. It's a problem with all MMO's.
Lets make the thread 20 pages long, then I can come back and say that I will go and SANDBOX it up in FE again and we can continue yapping about it for 10 more pages. I'll just pop in every 10 pages to tell the clueless among us that: Fallen earth feels much more sandboxy then EVE (I played EVE for 3 years off and on)... to ME... as in... I have much more freedom as to which play style I'm going to play for the day and how to progress my character. EVE is so much more restrictive is not even funny, even though CCP devs like to claim their game is a sandbox, which is funny to me. Now continue with your theories about why EVE is and FE isnt a sandbox while I go have fun playing one the most interesting and immersive game I've ever played (playing video games since early 80`s) I promise to come back and read them.
I agree with you... partially.
EVE Online sertainly is a sandbox MMO. You can do whatever you want. It just takes a shitload of time.
I agree today. When having to compete with people with well over 35million SP who played since launch. That you will have to specialize and restrict yourself in the beginning to be able to compete in PVP in not too long of a time. But after that, you can do whatever you like.
In FE it's pretty much the same. It just takes a little less time......... for now. As ultimately FE is suppose to get to having 150 levels. Wich is a lot.
And when it comes to that. Any new player joining then, will be in the same boat, as new players in EVE Online today.
They will have to restrict themselves in the beginning and specialize, so they can compete in not too long a time and then they can continue and do whatever they like.
Cheers
I actually started playing EVE several months before I switched over to FE and stopped EVE because of that issue right there. I had done my research and loved the idea that EVE would give me the freedom to do whatever I wished, only to find out that as a 'noob' to the game I wouldn't have any freedom for months at least unless I first clawed my way out a specialized approach to dealing with the old timers. It basically had little to no freedom for a new player in its already built game world. Sad too because I love the potential and mechanics of the game too.
And your right, FE will probably fall into the same boat IF they don't take care to avoid it in the present. It may be why FE has those Theme Park features included in it that makes it a hybrid. It being more of a mix than a sandbox may be the one saving virtue of the game 4 years down the road for new players.
It's just how it is with all RPG type games.
Be it Sandbox or Level-class themepark based.
When you now start WoW or EQ2. You will have to struggle through 80 levels to hook up to the existing playerbase. And soon with their upcoming expansions it will be 90 levels.
With EVE Online and FE it's the same. As MMO games grow and evolve over the years and for new players it will be harder and longer to catch up with the settled community.
So. Sandbox or not. It's a problem with all MMO's.
This is only an issue for players who prefer or like competitive gameplay.
For those that love the adventure and the RP part, it does not really matter at all. I'm in there for the journey, and I have no issues accepting that there were, and will always be players who are a lot more powerful than myself, and would beat the c**p out of me in PVP. I don't have the time, the dedication, but most importantly any mood to compete with them, so I do anything else I want - freeroam, scavenge, enjoy and follow the storyline, and sometimes socialize. Any game that gives me that : I would love it.
FE has the extra charms for me because of the setting, and because I love crafting in every game.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Well, there is a legal way to jump right in the end game in EVE for those that like to compete in PVP (even though the PVP is silly in EVE but that's another story) and that' s why the game is laughable to me even though i played it for 3 years and tbh I only played it as a second MMO and because the second you have a char that can do level 4 missions the game becomes free to play, you can make 300+mill ISK in few days missioning and you set for a month, so no sub costs.
Now about the jumping to end game.
It takes two things to progress in EVE.
Time and ISK (game currency)
You can LEGALY buy both with real $$
Lets say i have money to burn.
First i go buy a lot of ISK (legaly through Game time cards sells) after which I buy a 50mill SP combat char (also legal).
Voila, I'm uber...
That's a good game for some? fine...knock yourself out.
I've been waiting for so long for a game where the ingame currency doesn't mater much or at all.
I finaly have that in FE.
Only players that need a lot of chips in FE are the people who dont like to craft at all and like to rush to level cap, so they'll be looking for RMT so they can buy their gear, weapons and ammo from AH.
For me... I dont ever use the AH and I'm very much against it but that's also another story.
It's funny to me to see people complaining about the "economy" in FE.
It's set up differently then any other MMO that's why it may seem "broken" to people that are not interested in playing the game but they just like to see their virtual bankroll grow through trading even though they wont be using the chips for anything.
Hey, it's a play style, I understand that, but FE is not a game for that kind of game play.
The economy in EVE works well yes (it's not player driven economy though, some people are in denial about this) but it works well because the game is so much ISK dependant.
ISK is everything in EVE, you can't progress or even play the game without ISK so yeah, the economy will be interesting in that kind of game.
All right, i got caried away with this post so I'll end it here.
See ya all in game.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
Here is my view. I feel the game is a sandbox based on what I consider a sandbox game. If you dont think its a sandbox, ok. All that matters honestly is if you enjoy the game for what it is or not. Doesnt matter if it fits into some unimportant label
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I agree with you... partially.
EVE Online sertainly is a sandbox MMO. You can do whatever you want. It just takes a shitload of time.
I agree today. When having to compete with people with well over 35million SP who played since launch. That you will have to specialize and restrict yourself in the beginning to be able to compete in PVP in not too long of a time. But after that, you can do whatever you like.
In FE it's pretty much the same. It just takes a little less time......... for now. As ultimately FE is suppose to get to having 150 levels. Wich is a lot.
And when it comes to that. Any new player joining then, will be in the same boat, as new players in EVE Online today.
They will have to restrict themselves in the beginning and specialize, so they can compete in not too long a time and then they can continue and do whatever they like.
Cheers
I actually started playing EVE several months before I switched over to FE and stopped EVE because of that issue right there. I had done my research and loved the idea that EVE would give me the freedom to do whatever I wished, only to find out that as a 'noob' to the game I wouldn't have any freedom for months at least unless I first clawed my way out a specialized approach to dealing with the old timers. It basically had little to no freedom for a new player in its already built game world. Sad too because I love the potential and mechanics of the game too.
And your right, FE will probably fall into the same boat IF they don't take care to avoid it in the present. It may be why FE has those Theme Park features included in it that makes it a hybrid. It being more of a mix than a sandbox may be the one saving virtue of the game 4 years down the road for new players.
It's just how it is with all RPG type games.
Be it Sandbox or Level-class themepark based.
When you now start WoW or EQ2. You will have to struggle through 80 levels to hook up to the existing playerbase. And soon with their upcoming expansions it will be 90 levels.
With EVE Online and FE it's the same. As MMO games grow and evolve over the years and for new players it will be harder and longer to catch up with the settled community.
So. Sandbox or not. It's a problem with all MMO's.
I agree with you... partially.
EVE Online sertainly is a sandbox MMO. You can do whatever you want. It just takes a shitload of time.
I agree today. When having to compete with people with well over 35million SP who played since launch. That you will have to specialize and restrict yourself in the beginning to be able to compete in PVP in not too long of a time. But after that, you can do whatever you like.
In FE it's pretty much the same. It just takes a little less time......... for now. As ultimately FE is suppose to get to having 150 levels. Wich is a lot.
And when it comes to that. Any new player joining then, will be in the same boat, as new players in EVE Online today.
They will have to restrict themselves in the beginning and specialize, so they can compete in not too long a time and then they can continue and do whatever they like.
Cheers
I actually started playing EVE several months before I switched over to FE and stopped EVE because of that issue right there. I had done my research and loved the idea that EVE would give me the freedom to do whatever I wished, only to find out that as a 'noob' to the game I wouldn't have any freedom for months at least unless I first clawed my way out a specialized approach to dealing with the old timers. It basically had little to no freedom for a new player in its already built game world. Sad too because I love the potential and mechanics of the game too.
And your right, FE will probably fall into the same boat IF they don't take care to avoid it in the present. It may be why FE has those Theme Park features included in it that makes it a hybrid. It being more of a mix than a sandbox may be the one saving virtue of the game 4 years down the road for new players.
It's just how it is with all RPG type games.
Be it Sandbox or Level-class themepark based.
When you now start WoW or EQ2. You will have to struggle through 80 levels to hook up to the existing playerbase. And soon with their upcoming expansions it will be 90 levels.
With EVE Online and FE it's the same. As MMO games grow and evolve over the years and for new players it will be harder and longer to catch up with the settled community.
So. Sandbox or not. It's a problem with all MMO's.
This is only an issue for players who prefer or like competitive gameplay.
For those that love the adventure and the RP part, it does not really matter at all. I'm in there for the journey, and I have no issues accepting that there were, and will always be players who are a lot more powerful than myself, and would beat the c**p out of me in PVP. I don't have the time, the dedication, but most importantly any mood to compete with them, so I do anything else I want - freeroam, scavenge, enjoy and follow the storyline, and sometimes socialize. Any game that gives me that : I would love it.
FE has the extra charms for me because of the setting, and because I love crafting in every game.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Recap of last 12 pages
no its not
yes it is
no its not
yes it is
rinse repeat...
The following statement is false
The previous statement is true
True. Even if it' now about 12 against 1
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Well, there is a legal way to jump right in the end game in EVE for those that like to compete in PVP (even though the PVP is silly in EVE but that's another story) and that' s why the game is laughable to me even though i played it for 3 years and tbh I only played it as a second MMO and because the second you have a char that can do level 4 missions the game becomes free to play, you can make 300+mill ISK in few days missioning and you set for a month, so no sub costs.
Now about the jumping to end game.
It takes two things to progress in EVE.
Time and ISK (game currency)
You can LEGALY buy both with real $$
Lets say i have money to burn.
First i go buy a lot of ISK (legaly through Game time cards sells) after which I buy a 50mill SP combat char (also legal).
Voila, I'm uber...
That's a good game for some? fine...knock yourself out.
I've been waiting for so long for a game where the ingame currency doesn't mater much or at all.
I finaly have that in FE.
Only players that need a lot of chips in FE are the people who dont like to craft at all and like to rush to level cap, so they'll be looking for RMT so they can buy their gear, weapons and ammo from AH.
For me... I dont ever use the AH and I'm very much against it but that's also another story.
It's funny to me to see people complaining about the "economy" in FE.
It's set up differently then any other MMO that's why it may seem "broken" to people that are not interested in playing the game but they just like to see their virtual bankroll grow through trading even though they wont be using the chips for anything.
Hey, it's a play style, I understand that, but FE is not a game for that kind of game play.
The economy in EVE works well yes (it's not player driven economy though, some people are in denial about this) but it works well because the game is so much ISK dependant.
ISK is everything in EVE, you can't progress or even play the game without ISK so yeah, the economy will be interesting in that kind of game.
All right, i got caried away with this post so I'll end it here.
See ya all in game.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
Here is my view. I feel the game is a sandbox based on what I consider a sandbox game. If you dont think its a sandbox, ok. All that matters honestly is if you enjoy the game for what it is or not. Doesnt matter if it fits into some unimportant label