Aion was the most uninnovative p2p mmo, that came out in 2009. I mean what the F? Games I call innovative: EVE Tabula Rasa Age of Conan and so on but Aion is just another simple, boring, auto-attack-game. The only positive thing is, that it looks pretty.
There are no innovation's in this game other than gliding but i wouldn't really call that an innovation, everything that was described in the OP i've seen in WOW. I'm currently subbed for a year and although im enjoying my time some what i do have to say that this game is so over hyped. And for the people that cant see the grind past level 25 need better glasses the grind becomes F2p style grind.
Its funny... Im past 25... and I've never had to grind if I didn't want to
Ya I did it for fun at times... because I WANTED to... but I still have 30/30 quests and a ton of campaign quests to do
Truth be told - those quitting after 30 are either lazy or burned out of MMOs. I asked my guild mates who most of them are 40+ if it "changes" at that point and got the reply of "not really"... meaning - its still the same leveling wise - they just group up ALL the time to make it fun. The problem most people have is they want to solo-quest grind to level cap and that's really impossible to do in Aion (which is why Aion certainly isn't for everyone)
I got a coupon for lens crafter's its yours any time, The grind it so prevalent that i shouldn't have to explain it but here goes
Grinding: (short and sweet definition) doing the same thing over and over and over (that includes even if you are doing the same thing as a quest). almost every quest is a grind go kill this and go kill that, and if its not a kill quest its a drop quest and if not its a help a statue put its head back on quest...... yes very engaging helping a statue put its head back on when its only 1 kil away. Another good example quest usually at most give out 20-100 exp (unless campaign quest and they usually give out a little more) most people on the Aion forum site this as the reason why they grind because going threw the hassles of completing the quest and getting minor exp rewards when if you grind 10 mobs 3 levels above you you can get 100exp very easily. Heck one campaign mission had me spend 30 kinah (travel cost since lands like sanctum aren't connected) alone just to complete the quest and all i got back was 25k exp and 3k kinah. Its just not worth it in the end to do the quest unless you need the rewards to sell to the auction house.
For one, your saucy tone does nothing for your argument... but here goes (Ill explain it to you nicely)
EVERY MMO has a grind.... you can think WoW doesn't have a grind all your want but a quest grind is no difference than a "group based" grind which is what Aion is... you are one of those who wants to solo quest to 50 - sorry this is the wrong game...
Money? Seriously? Money is SO easy to come by in this game... I made my first million by level 25.... and although I have less than that now (due to crafting) I still have no problems making more money and I do make (and spend) more every single day. Perhaps you are doing it wrong?
The XP from rewards have drastically increased with the last update. Now in Belusian I get on average 150-200k xp per quest. Not only that - I spent my ENTIRE level 31 on crafting alone. Yes, the entire damn level.... I crafted from 300-400 - and with the exception of maybe a few random mob killings - I did nothing else and STILL gained a level by doing it (without even trying)
There are no innovation's in this game other than gliding but i wouldn't really call that an innovation, everything that was described in the OP i've seen in WOW. I'm currently subbed for a year and although im enjoying my time some what i do have to say that this game is so over hyped. And for the people that cant see the grind past level 25 need better glasses the grind becomes F2p style grind.
Its funny... Im past 25... and I've never had to grind if I didn't want to
Ya I did it for fun at times... because I WANTED to... but I still have 30/30 quests and a ton of campaign quests to do
Truth be told - those quitting after 30 are either lazy or burned out of MMOs. I asked my guild mates who most of them are 40+ if it "changes" at that point and got the reply of "not really"... meaning - its still the same leveling wise - they just group up ALL the time to make it fun. The problem most people have is they want to solo-quest grind to level cap and that's really impossible to do in Aion (which is why Aion certainly isn't for everyone)
I got a coupon for lens crafter's its yours any time, The grind it so prevalent that i shouldn't have to explain it but here goes
Grinding: (short and sweet definition) doing the same thing over and over and over (that includes even if you are doing the same thing as a quest). almost every quest is a grind go kill this and go kill that, and if its not a kill quest its a drop quest and if not its a help a statue put its head back on quest...... yes very engaging helping a statue put its head back on when its only 1 kil away. Another good example quest usually at most give out 20-100 exp (unless campaign quest and they usually give out a little more) most people on the Aion forum site this as the reason why they grind because going threw the hassles of completing the quest and getting minor exp rewards when if you grind 10 mobs 3 levels above you you can get 100exp very easily. Heck one campaign mission had me spend 30 kinah (travel cost since lands like sanctum aren't connected) alone just to complete the quest and all i got back was 25k exp and 3k kinah. Its just not worth it in the end to do the quest unless you need the rewards to sell to the auction house.
For one, your saucy tone does nothing for your argument... but here goes (Ill explain it to you nicely)
EVERY MMO has a grind.... you can think WoW doesn't have a grind all your want but a quest grind is no difference than a "group based" grind which is what Aion is... you are one of those who wants to solo quest to 50 - sorry this is the wrong game...
Money? Seriously? Money is SO easy to come by in this game... I made my first million by level 25.... and although I have less than that now (due to crafting) I still have no problems making more money and I do make (and spend) more every single day. Perhaps you are doing it wrong?
The XP from rewards have drastically increased with the last update. Now in Belusian I get on average 150-200k xp per quest. Not only that - I spent my ENTIRE level 31 on crafting alone. Yes, the entire damn level.... I crafted from 300-400 - and with the exception of maybe a few random mob killings - I did nothing else and STILL gained a level by doing it (without even trying)
So - Ill say this again. Grinding is all about perception and what you do in the game. If you want to solo quest to 50 - then yes... aion will be terrible for you. If you craft, PVP, rift, quest, elite grind, run instances, etc... then you'll enjoy the game. It can't get any easier than that...
There are no innovation's in this game other than gliding but i wouldn't really call that an innovation, everything that was described in the OP i've seen in WOW. I'm currently subbed for a year and although im enjoying my time some what i do have to say that this game is so over hyped. And for the people that cant see the grind past level 25 need better glasses the grind becomes F2p style grind.
Its funny... Im past 25... and I've never had to grind if I didn't want to
Ya I did it for fun at times... because I WANTED to... but I still have 30/30 quests and a ton of campaign quests to do
Truth be told - those quitting after 30 are either lazy or burned out of MMOs. I asked my guild mates who most of them are 40+ if it "changes" at that point and got the reply of "not really"... meaning - its still the same leveling wise - they just group up ALL the time to make it fun. The problem most people have is they want to solo-quest grind to level cap and that's really impossible to do in Aion (which is why Aion certainly isn't for everyone)
I got a coupon for lens crafter's its yours any time, The grind it so prevalent that i shouldn't have to explain it but here goes
Grinding: (short and sweet definition) doing the same thing over and over and over (that includes even if you are doing the same thing as a quest). almost every quest is a grind go kill this and go kill that, and if its not a kill quest its a drop quest and if not its a help a statue put its head back on quest...... yes very engaging helping a statue put its head back on when its only 1 kil away. Another good example quest usually at most give out 20-100 exp (unless campaign quest and they usually give out a little more) most people on the Aion forum site this as the reason why they grind because going threw the hassles of completing the quest and getting minor exp rewards when if you grind 10 mobs 3 levels above you you can get 100exp very easily. Heck one campaign mission had me spend 30 kinah (travel cost since lands like sanctum aren't connected) alone just to complete the quest and all i got back was 25k exp and 3k kinah. Its just not worth it in the end to do the quest unless you need the rewards to sell to the auction house.
For one, your saucy tone does nothing for your argument... but here goes (Ill explain it to you nicely)
EVERY MMO has a grind.... you can think WoW doesn't have a grind all your want but a quest grind is no difference than a "group based" grind which is what Aion is... you are one of those who wants to solo quest to 50 - sorry this is the wrong game...
Money? Seriously? Money is SO easy to come by in this game... I made my first million by level 25.... and although I have less than that now (due to crafting) I still have no problems making more money and I do make (and spend) more every single day. Perhaps you are doing it wrong?
The XP from rewards have drastically increased with the last update. Now in Belusian I get on average 150-200k xp per quest. Not only that - I spent my ENTIRE level 31 on crafting alone. Yes, the entire damn level.... I crafted from 300-400 - and with the exception of maybe a few random mob killings - I did nothing else and STILL gained a level by doing it (without even trying)
So - Ill say this again. Grinding is all about perception and what you do in the game. If you want to solo quest to 50 - then yes... aion will be terrible for you. If you craft, PVP, rift, quest, elite grind, run instances, etc... then you'll enjoy the game. It can't get any easier than that...
quests i ran out by about lvl 23 and had to grind my way to lvl 25 then i only got a handful of quests that gave me next to nothing for exp forcing me to lvl to 30 the same as before i wanna know what toon you have makes a big difference
crafting is a joke seriously waste a couple 100k on about 6 swords and that not including the crap i needed to make said crappy swords or the recipes needed to attempt to make even a durable sword.
oh wait it gets better if i dont im better off just selling the garbage to the merchant since those swords are usually doa as soon as they are made since noone needs them.
and thats if your lucky enough to make any money at all. kill 30 mobs you get nothing i crafted like mad to attempt to make something worth a crap and found i was never able to keep up and since my lvl is higher then my sword the little amount of damage i did do is now almost negated to where its like trying to kill a dragon with a butter knife sure it will work but man if it aint going to be painful for you and and the dragon.
only money i ever made in aion always went to the soul healer as my armor was never up to my lvl as of right now the only thing i could afford was a lvl 26 sword a lvl 28 shield and if it hadnt been for my cousin making my armor id still be running around in lvl 18 armor and oh im a lvl 31 templar. so needless to say time consuming and unless your lucky enough to find a group you aint going to be getting anything. ran training grounds instance 4 times died in it 12 and am behind on the soul healer by about 120k or so since everytime i died in the instance was about 18k per death.
my point is that it depends on the class since some classes kill faster then others and can grind out mobs faster thus making more money and sure other games like wow have grind. i dont deny that but here is the issue at least wow gave me something for doing it even if its just a quest at least then i have some directive for killing these things. in aion 80% of the time your mindlessly killing things for little to nothing no money very little xp and jack squat for drops= no incentive to mindlessly kill things the idea here is im advancing something in aion you advance nothing in wow almost every mob drops something whether it be garbage or not in aion you might get lucky and get a white armor peice or even some feathers or something trivial but all this work to get a few measly feathers kinda makes ya wanna pull your hair out imo
Here are a few innovations in Aion that I think will be seen in most subsequent MMOs from now on:
1. manastone, enchants and dyeing by everyone- customize the look and stats on your equipment
I havnt played that many MMORPGS but i'm sure they are the first for it.
2. gliding, best of both worlds, flying without making terrain obsolete
Same as again, but who knows. I'm a noob to the MMORPG veterans
3. fluid combat, amazing special effects, particles and sound
I agree.
4. level limited rifting - visit hostile faction in their lands yet discourage ganking
Discourage ganking? Whats that? o.O
PS (edit). I am not claiming that any of these were invented by Aion - what I am saying that it was implemented very well in Aion thus moved the genre forward by showing how to do it right
(who could possibly claim that they have invented a game mechanics anyhow - there is nothing new under the Sun)
No I don't think Aion is moving the genre forward. Believe me i've payed for the game for 2 months, when it was released (I preordered) and then just recently for some urge i felt.
To be honest i wish i never did, i'm level 27 and i need 3mil exp to level and the things that you mention to be honest they are PURELY COSMETIC.
Maybe i'm a noob but these so called "annovations" (and not forget grind) doesnt make up for the pretty armor and equipment.
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap.
At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Aion was the most uninnovative p2p mmo, that came out in 2009. I mean what the F? Games I call innovative: EVE Tabula Rasa Age of Conan and so on but Aion is just another simple, boring, auto-attack-game. The only positive thing is, that it looks pretty.
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Its not that there arent quest its just that with little incentive to complete them grinding becomes the next vialble option and the abyss.... come on you at least have to be level 30-35 just to compete all level 25's and mages get ganked everytime.
Aion was the most uninnovative p2p mmo, that came out in 2009. I mean what the F? Games I call innovative: EVE Tabula Rasa Age of Conan and so on but Aion is just another simple, boring, auto-attack-game. The only positive thing is, that it looks pretty.
Originally posted by glofish Here are a few innovations in Aion that I think will be seen in most subsequent MMOs from now on:
1. manastone, enchants and dyeing by everyone- customize the look and stats on your equipment 2. gliding, best of both worlds, flying without making terrain obsolete 3. fluid combat, amazing special effects, particles and sound 4. level limited rifting - visit hostile faction in their lands yet discourage ganking
PS (edit). I am not claiming that any of these were invented by Aion - what I am saying that it was implemented very well in Aion thus moved the genre forward by showing how to do it right (who could possibly claim that they have invented a game mechanics anyhow - there is nothing new under the Sun)
I'd say gliding is the only thing that Aion did first of those things, for example level limited rifting was done in WAR, fluid combat was AoC I believe and customizeing gear was done by Dark age of Camelot and WAR among others. I am sorry but Aion is doing nothing new.
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
well the abyss is a no go at lvl 25 unless you want to die alot and spend a fortune to get back there depending on where your attached
and as i found out later i was suppose to go to theobomas but didnt recieve the quest telling me i needed to go until almost lvl 28 which at that point it was moot
even when i did do those quests after the fact there really wasnt that many you can lvl by quests but at least some amount of your xp bar will have to be grinded out which can be very agitating i never felt like i had any real direction in aion
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
And what does this have to do with me?
He said he had to grind from 20 and up which is not true unless you don't search. I stopped playing the game because I don't like pvp focused games but there are people that still didn't grind much and are high lvl, your probably one of those that prefer to solo and don't even do dungeons and elite zones once in a while right?
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
And what does this have to do with me?
He said he had to grind from 20 and up which is not true unless you don't search. I stopped playing the game because I don't like pvp focused games but there are people that still didn't grind much and are high lvl, your probably one of those that prefer to solo and don't even do dungeons and elite zones once in a while right?
i seriously shouldnt have to search to find someone that wants my help period if they want me to do a quest for them id figure they shouldnt be hidden behind plants in some swamp somewhere forcing me to rush all over looking for them and if they are high lvl saying they didnt grind much well then they probably aint high lvl or they used a bots to get that lvl its fairly obvious to even a two year old that grinding is very very big part of the game you truly cant get past the next lvl after 30 without some major grind to finish it up from 29-30 and i dont like pvp oriented games either but i dont dislike aion because of it in fact out of all the mmo's ive seen aion seemed to be the only one that made me take some interest in pvp which is rare for me so i have to at least say that much
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
Im 32+... and I have 30/30 in my quest log
30/30 hmm well at lvl 31 i had 3 two of which were rift missions and one that wasnt even a mission it was a work order
in fact the main story quest lines wont unlock til i hit lvl 35
Innovations? You cant be serious. The only thing AION gets props for is delivering a polished relatively bug free game. If you want innovations look elsewhere, this is a standard fair theme park ride, with a nasty bit of mob grinding at end game.
Here are a few innovations in Aion that I think will be seen in most subsequent MMOs from now on:
1. manastone, enchants and dyeing by everyone- customize the look and stats on your equipment 2. gliding, best of both worlds, flying without making terrain obsolete 3. fluid combat, amazing special effects, particles and sound 4. level limited rifting - visit hostile faction in their lands yet discourage ganking
PS (edit). I am not claiming that any of these were invented by Aion - what I am saying that it was implemented very well in Aion thus moved the genre forward by showing how to do it right (who could possibly claim that they have invented a game mechanics anyhow - there is nothing new under the Sun)
Sorry but dying and weapon customization was the ONE thing ROM did very well,already done.The weapon stat customization is kind of cool in ROM it has some real thought to it,however that is about all i liked in the game .
Gliding.that belongs with flying ,something that is a CHEAP niche to attract subs,it's usefulness is almost null,especially when it is most wanted ,they don't allow it lol.I am sure they looked at their Korean competition in PW and decided they needed flying to make any sales.
Aeria games already had the ability to warp into opponents territory as did RF online,so ya another copy.
Fluid combat?is that not subjective to each their own opinion?As far as great effects,FFXI has great effects in their game and that is with ALL low poly graphics.That is one area i commend Square on,if ANY other developer tried to make a game equal to FFXI for the console and with those graphics,NOBODY else would pull it off.I can honestly say it would be VERY hard rto find any effects in Aion that better FFXI,i would say they are on even terms.However FFXIV is using an engine that favors comparison to Aion and will blow the doors off Aion for not only everything graphics wise but DETAIL.
As far as inventing game mechanics lol,yep FFXI has several,and they are useful not gimmicks like flying.To save another one my 10 paragraph posts i will tell you one...LANGUAGE translator,VERY useful.Ok maybe 2 SUB CLASS system.BTW FFXIV will most likely invent a few new ideas once again,that is what Square does,they are very creative,just the fact that they are removing LEVELS is a bold step,none of the decent sized games have tried that.
Square Enix is the ONLY developer after EQ that actually created a decent game with decent graphics and made it their OWN idea,not a copy.Sure games like EVE are sort of their own niche,but a VERY cheap release that game was,none of the mechanics were up to standards,pretty much a spreadsheet game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap. At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
Im 32+... and I have 30/30 in my quest log
30/30 hmm well at lvl 31 i had 3 two of which were rift missions and one that wasnt even a mission it was a work order
in fact the main story quest lines wont unlock til i hit lvl 35
When I get home - I can post a screenshot if you wish
Seriously.. I've had to start abandoning quests because I had so many
I gave Aion a good solid try. I bought it because I loved the look and the idea of flying. I left it because it was a bot fest AND the community chat was a cesspool AND the overall player base was in nerd rage most the time... And cause it was a grindfest. Up to and after 25. Aion is a fail for me unfortunately.
And unfortunately thats a pretty narrow minded way of seeing things inst it? That WoW for example, ive played it for 4 years and believe me, the game did so many turns... its hardly the same game it was in 2005.
Now, you speak like an MMO, Aion in this case, was a blocked thing, a closed game. Its not, many if not all of the things you mentioned are things of the past.
It's rare to find a bot, theres no gold spam, the community is better since many of the kids and jerks decided to leave the game and the grind is much more reduced since 1.5.1
I wont tell you to go back to Aion, thats each one decision. But I will ask people to use their common sense, and stop assuming that just because they left a game, it will stay stopped in time.
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Its funny... Im past 25... and I've never had to grind if I didn't want to
Ya I did it for fun at times... because I WANTED to... but I still have 30/30 quests and a ton of campaign quests to do
Truth be told - those quitting after 30 are either lazy or burned out of MMOs. I asked my guild mates who most of them are 40+ if it "changes" at that point and got the reply of "not really"... meaning - its still the same leveling wise - they just group up ALL the time to make it fun. The problem most people have is they want to solo-quest grind to level cap and that's really impossible to do in Aion (which is why Aion certainly isn't for everyone)
I got a coupon for lens crafter's its yours any time, The grind it so prevalent that i shouldn't have to explain it but here goes
Grinding: (short and sweet definition) doing the same thing over and over and over (that includes even if you are doing the same thing as a quest). almost every quest is a grind go kill this and go kill that, and if its not a kill quest its a drop quest and if not its a help a statue put its head back on quest...... yes very engaging helping a statue put its head back on when its only 1 kil away. Another good example quest usually at most give out 20-100 exp (unless campaign quest and they usually give out a little more) most people on the Aion forum site this as the reason why they grind because going threw the hassles of completing the quest and getting minor exp rewards when if you grind 10 mobs 3 levels above you you can get 100exp very easily. Heck one campaign mission had me spend 30 kinah (travel cost since lands like sanctum aren't connected) alone just to complete the quest and all i got back was 25k exp and 3k kinah. Its just not worth it in the end to do the quest unless you need the rewards to sell to the auction house.
For one, your saucy tone does nothing for your argument... but here goes (Ill explain it to you nicely)
EVERY MMO has a grind.... you can think WoW doesn't have a grind all your want but a quest grind is no difference than a "group based" grind which is what Aion is... you are one of those who wants to solo quest to 50 - sorry this is the wrong game...
Money? Seriously? Money is SO easy to come by in this game... I made my first million by level 25.... and although I have less than that now (due to crafting) I still have no problems making more money and I do make (and spend) more every single day. Perhaps you are doing it wrong?
The XP from rewards have drastically increased with the last update. Now in Belusian I get on average 150-200k xp per quest. Not only that - I spent my ENTIRE level 31 on crafting alone. Yes, the entire damn level.... I crafted from 300-400 - and with the exception of maybe a few random mob killings - I did nothing else and STILL gained a level by doing it (without even trying)
Its funny... Im past 25... and I've never had to grind if I didn't want to
Ya I did it for fun at times... because I WANTED to... but I still have 30/30 quests and a ton of campaign quests to do
Truth be told - those quitting after 30 are either lazy or burned out of MMOs. I asked my guild mates who most of them are 40+ if it "changes" at that point and got the reply of "not really"... meaning - its still the same leveling wise - they just group up ALL the time to make it fun. The problem most people have is they want to solo-quest grind to level cap and that's really impossible to do in Aion (which is why Aion certainly isn't for everyone)
I got a coupon for lens crafter's its yours any time, The grind it so prevalent that i shouldn't have to explain it but here goes
Grinding: (short and sweet definition) doing the same thing over and over and over (that includes even if you are doing the same thing as a quest). almost every quest is a grind go kill this and go kill that, and if its not a kill quest its a drop quest and if not its a help a statue put its head back on quest...... yes very engaging helping a statue put its head back on when its only 1 kil away. Another good example quest usually at most give out 20-100 exp (unless campaign quest and they usually give out a little more) most people on the Aion forum site this as the reason why they grind because going threw the hassles of completing the quest and getting minor exp rewards when if you grind 10 mobs 3 levels above you you can get 100exp very easily. Heck one campaign mission had me spend 30 kinah (travel cost since lands like sanctum aren't connected) alone just to complete the quest and all i got back was 25k exp and 3k kinah. Its just not worth it in the end to do the quest unless you need the rewards to sell to the auction house.
For one, your saucy tone does nothing for your argument... but here goes (Ill explain it to you nicely)
EVERY MMO has a grind.... you can think WoW doesn't have a grind all your want but a quest grind is no difference than a "group based" grind which is what Aion is... you are one of those who wants to solo quest to 50 - sorry this is the wrong game...
Money? Seriously? Money is SO easy to come by in this game... I made my first million by level 25.... and although I have less than that now (due to crafting) I still have no problems making more money and I do make (and spend) more every single day. Perhaps you are doing it wrong?
The XP from rewards have drastically increased with the last update. Now in Belusian I get on average 150-200k xp per quest. Not only that - I spent my ENTIRE level 31 on crafting alone. Yes, the entire damn level.... I crafted from 300-400 - and with the exception of maybe a few random mob killings - I did nothing else and STILL gained a level by doing it (without even trying)
So - Ill say this again. Grinding is all about perception and what you do in the game. If you want to solo quest to 50 - then yes... aion will be terrible for you. If you craft, PVP, rift, quest, elite grind, run instances, etc... then you'll enjoy the game. It can't get any easier than that...
Its funny... Im past 25... and I've never had to grind if I didn't want to
Ya I did it for fun at times... because I WANTED to... but I still have 30/30 quests and a ton of campaign quests to do
Truth be told - those quitting after 30 are either lazy or burned out of MMOs. I asked my guild mates who most of them are 40+ if it "changes" at that point and got the reply of "not really"... meaning - its still the same leveling wise - they just group up ALL the time to make it fun. The problem most people have is they want to solo-quest grind to level cap and that's really impossible to do in Aion (which is why Aion certainly isn't for everyone)
I got a coupon for lens crafter's its yours any time, The grind it so prevalent that i shouldn't have to explain it but here goes
Grinding: (short and sweet definition) doing the same thing over and over and over (that includes even if you are doing the same thing as a quest). almost every quest is a grind go kill this and go kill that, and if its not a kill quest its a drop quest and if not its a help a statue put its head back on quest...... yes very engaging helping a statue put its head back on when its only 1 kil away. Another good example quest usually at most give out 20-100 exp (unless campaign quest and they usually give out a little more) most people on the Aion forum site this as the reason why they grind because going threw the hassles of completing the quest and getting minor exp rewards when if you grind 10 mobs 3 levels above you you can get 100exp very easily. Heck one campaign mission had me spend 30 kinah (travel cost since lands like sanctum aren't connected) alone just to complete the quest and all i got back was 25k exp and 3k kinah. Its just not worth it in the end to do the quest unless you need the rewards to sell to the auction house.
For one, your saucy tone does nothing for your argument... but here goes (Ill explain it to you nicely)
EVERY MMO has a grind.... you can think WoW doesn't have a grind all your want but a quest grind is no difference than a "group based" grind which is what Aion is... you are one of those who wants to solo quest to 50 - sorry this is the wrong game...
Money? Seriously? Money is SO easy to come by in this game... I made my first million by level 25.... and although I have less than that now (due to crafting) I still have no problems making more money and I do make (and spend) more every single day. Perhaps you are doing it wrong?
The XP from rewards have drastically increased with the last update. Now in Belusian I get on average 150-200k xp per quest. Not only that - I spent my ENTIRE level 31 on crafting alone. Yes, the entire damn level.... I crafted from 300-400 - and with the exception of maybe a few random mob killings - I did nothing else and STILL gained a level by doing it (without even trying)
So - Ill say this again. Grinding is all about perception and what you do in the game. If you want to solo quest to 50 - then yes... aion will be terrible for you. If you craft, PVP, rift, quest, elite grind, run instances, etc... then you'll enjoy the game. It can't get any easier than that...
quests i ran out by about lvl 23 and had to grind my way to lvl 25 then i only got a handful of quests that gave me next to nothing for exp forcing me to lvl to 30 the same as before i wanna know what toon you have makes a big difference
crafting is a joke seriously waste a couple 100k on about 6 swords and that not including the crap i needed to make said crappy swords or the recipes needed to attempt to make even a durable sword.
oh wait it gets better if i dont im better off just selling the garbage to the merchant since those swords are usually doa as soon as they are made since noone needs them.
and thats if your lucky enough to make any money at all. kill 30 mobs you get nothing i crafted like mad to attempt to make something worth a crap and found i was never able to keep up and since my lvl is higher then my sword the little amount of damage i did do is now almost negated to where its like trying to kill a dragon with a butter knife sure it will work but man if it aint going to be painful for you and and the dragon.
only money i ever made in aion always went to the soul healer as my armor was never up to my lvl as of right now the only thing i could afford was a lvl 26 sword a lvl 28 shield and if it hadnt been for my cousin making my armor id still be running around in lvl 18 armor and oh im a lvl 31 templar. so needless to say time consuming and unless your lucky enough to find a group you aint going to be getting anything. ran training grounds instance 4 times died in it 12 and am behind on the soul healer by about 120k or so since everytime i died in the instance was about 18k per death.
my point is that it depends on the class since some classes kill faster then others and can grind out mobs faster thus making more money and sure other games like wow have grind. i dont deny that but here is the issue at least wow gave me something for doing it even if its just a quest at least then i have some directive for killing these things. in aion 80% of the time your mindlessly killing things for little to nothing no money very little xp and jack squat for drops= no incentive to mindlessly kill things the idea here is im advancing something in aion you advance nothing in wow almost every mob drops something whether it be garbage or not in aion you might get lucky and get a white armor peice or even some feathers or something trivial but all this work to get a few measly feathers kinda makes ya wanna pull your hair out imo
No I don't think Aion is moving the genre forward. Believe me i've payed for the game for 2 months, when it was released (I preordered) and then just recently for some urge i felt.
To be honest i wish i never did, i'm level 27 and i need 3mil exp to level and the things that you mention to be honest they are PURELY COSMETIC.
Maybe i'm a noob but these so called "annovations" (and not forget grind) doesnt make up for the pretty armor and equipment.
Just my 2p.
You lost many quests then I didn't had to grind any single time till I played (27 or something near) the only thing that maybe can be said as grind was 23 when I needed 3 more bars to lvl but had 2 spy quests that would have been more then enough but couldn't find a group so I don't really count it as much gap.
At 25 you have abyss and other zones were to quests how could you not have quests?
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And I agree also.
Its not that there arent quest its just that with little incentive to complete them grinding becomes the next vialble option and the abyss.... come on you at least have to be level 30-35 just to compete all level 25's and mages get ganked everytime.
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And I agree also.
QFT +1
I'd say gliding is the only thing that Aion did first of those things, for example level limited rifting was done in WAR, fluid combat was AoC I believe and customizeing gear was done by Dark age of Camelot and WAR among others. I am sorry but Aion is doing nothing new.
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
well the abyss is a no go at lvl 25 unless you want to die alot and spend a fortune to get back there depending on where your attached
and as i found out later i was suppose to go to theobomas but didnt recieve the quest telling me i needed to go until almost lvl 28 which at that point it was moot
even when i did do those quests after the fact there really wasnt that many you can lvl by quests but at least some amount of your xp bar will have to be grinded out which can be very agitating i never felt like i had any real direction in aion
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
And what does this have to do with me?
He said he had to grind from 20 and up which is not true unless you don't search. I stopped playing the game because I don't like pvp focused games but there are people that still didn't grind much and are high lvl, your probably one of those that prefer to solo and don't even do dungeons and elite zones once in a while right?
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
And what does this have to do with me?
He said he had to grind from 20 and up which is not true unless you don't search. I stopped playing the game because I don't like pvp focused games but there are people that still didn't grind much and are high lvl, your probably one of those that prefer to solo and don't even do dungeons and elite zones once in a while right?
i seriously shouldnt have to search to find someone that wants my help period if they want me to do a quest for them id figure they shouldnt be hidden behind plants in some swamp somewhere forcing me to rush all over looking for them and if they are high lvl saying they didnt grind much well then they probably aint high lvl or they used a bots to get that lvl its fairly obvious to even a two year old that grinding is very very big part of the game you truly cant get past the next lvl after 30 without some major grind to finish it up from 29-30 and i dont like pvp oriented games either but i dont dislike aion because of it in fact out of all the mmo's ive seen aion seemed to be the only one that made me take some interest in pvp which is rare for me so i have to at least say that much
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
Im 32+... and I have 30/30 in my quest log...
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
Im 32+... and I have 30/30 in my quest log
30/30 hmm well at lvl 31 i had 3 two of which were rift missions and one that wasnt even a mission it was a work order
in fact the main story quest lines wont unlock til i hit lvl 35
Many of aion quests although I don't like much that style are aquired by doing past quests even doing repetables once can unlock you new quests.
Moving the genre forward?
I played Aion like 6+ years ago when it was called Lineage!!!!
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Innovations? You cant be serious. The only thing AION gets props for is delivering a polished relatively bug free game. If you want innovations look elsewhere, this is a standard fair theme park ride, with a nasty bit of mob grinding at end game.
Sorry but dying and weapon customization was the ONE thing ROM did very well,already done.The weapon stat customization is kind of cool in ROM it has some real thought to it,however that is about all i liked in the game
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Gliding.that belongs with flying ,something that is a CHEAP niche to attract subs,it's usefulness is almost null,especially when it is most wanted ,they don't allow it lol.I am sure they looked at their Korean competition in PW and decided they needed flying to make any sales.
Aeria games already had the ability to warp into opponents territory as did RF online,so ya another copy.
Fluid combat?is that not subjective to each their own opinion?As far as great effects,FFXI has great effects in their game and that is with ALL low poly graphics.That is one area i commend Square on,if ANY other developer tried to make a game equal to FFXI for the console and with those graphics,NOBODY else would pull it off.I can honestly say it would be VERY hard rto find any effects in Aion that better FFXI,i would say they are on even terms.However FFXIV is using an engine that favors comparison to Aion and will blow the doors off Aion for not only everything graphics wise but DETAIL.
As far as inventing game mechanics lol,yep FFXI has several,and they are useful not gimmicks like flying.To save another one my 10 paragraph posts i will tell you one...LANGUAGE translator,VERY useful.Ok maybe 2 SUB CLASS system.BTW FFXIV will most likely invent a few new ideas once again,that is what Square does,they are very creative,just the fact that they are removing LEVELS is a bold step,none of the decent sized games have tried that.
Square Enix is the ONLY developer after EQ that actually created a decent game with decent graphics and made it their OWN idea,not a copy.Sure games like EVE are sort of their own niche,but a VERY cheap release that game was,none of the mechanics were up to standards,pretty much a spreadsheet game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Just goto your own official Aion forums and look at them.. Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE knows Aion has a grind to it. Wait tell you hit the 32+ levels and there are a lack of quests with the exception of the repeatable kill 100x creatures. You haven't even made it out of the baby stages of the game at 27.. So yeah you haven't see the lack of quests yet. But you will.
And just because the Abyss and one other zone opens up does not mean you have access to 100's more quests. You will be lucky to find 50-70 quests total in the lower abyss (from level 25-35).
Im 32+... and I have 30/30 in my quest log
30/30 hmm well at lvl 31 i had 3 two of which were rift missions and one that wasnt even a mission it was a work order
in fact the main story quest lines wont unlock til i hit lvl 35
When I get home - I can post a screenshot if you wish
Seriously.. I've had to start abandoning quests because I had so many
I gave Aion a good solid try.
I bought it because I loved the look and the idea of flying.
I left it because it was a bot fest AND the community chat was a cesspool AND the overall player base was in nerd rage most the time...
And cause it was a grindfest. Up to and after 25. Aion is a fail for me unfortunately.
And unfortunately thats a pretty narrow minded way of seeing things inst it? That WoW for example, ive played it for 4 years and believe me, the game did so many turns... its hardly the same game it was in 2005.
Now, you speak like an MMO, Aion in this case, was a blocked thing, a closed game. Its not, many if not all of the things you mentioned are things of the past.
It's rare to find a bot, theres no gold spam, the community is better since many of the kids and jerks decided to leave the game and the grind is much more reduced since 1.5.1
I wont tell you to go back to Aion, thats each one decision. But I will ask people to use their common sense, and stop assuming that just because they left a game, it will stay stopped in time.
New to the discussion, but CoH has full flight, superspeed, superjumping, and extremely rapid combat. Is there something new in Aion?
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go ahead id love to see a screenpost
i will still stand on my opinion though i played the game from beta and frankly wasnt that impressed