Minimum number to clans: No way! You have to be in a clan to take village control points, declare war, be war decced and take sea fortresses. If you can not create a one man clan, you can not enjoy all aspects of the game and solo play should always be a viable option. Stop relying on game mechanics to protect you, start exercising the sand box aspect.
By association, that means guilds in any mmo should be startable by one person, and if one person can start a guild, why should I have to try and get 9/24/however many people into a raid group for a raid dungeon. I should always be able to do ICC 25man in WoW and get the legendary all on my own. Hell, even the 5mans should all have a "one-man" option too. In fact, why not let me just play offline and not have to pay the sub fee, and whenever I feel like having interactions with other people through it I can click "multiplayer"
Yeah no... that's a single-player game. DF is an MMO, which means to take a fortress, you'd either have to have a whole clan (real one), or must be a GM. You go ahead and try and take a fortress from a real clan, please try it. You'll get laughed out of there, they won't even bother to take your gear.
You're using other games mechanics to make an argument about Darkfall. Apples and oranges.
I agree with you that you need a clan to take a fortress but in no way should it be forced by game mechanics. It's forced by the players, the way it should be.
The rest of what you had to say is just plain silly.
It isn't apples and oranges. All MMOs have solo play in them, but solo play doesn't include raids, which are essentially, your fortress sieges. And why not enforce it through in-game mechanics? You wouldn't be able to capture the fortress regardless. By restricting it with in-game mechanics, you just keep the morons from attempting to get a fortress over and over. If it wasn't enforced by the game's mechanics, they'd just whine about it on the forums.
Besides, why make a clan if you are going to be the sole person in it? You only get the chance to declare war on other clans, but if you can kill someone regardless anyways, why bother?
I was tempted to let this rest as it's nearing off topic so i'll tie in some on topic discussion in order to keep it on rail.
WoW = theme park (apples)
DFO = sandbox (oranges)
Do you even play DFO? You're missing the whole spirit of the game and like to make a lot of references to WoW. It's supposed to be a dangerous player driven world. If a one man clan can figure out a way to do anything that normally takes an army, then so be it. It will never happen of course because of the player dynamics. And the fact that you are using that as an argument is getting tiring.
One man clans are also putting themselves at risk because they can be war deced as well. I would personally never start a one man clan because of that risk. But those that enjoy that should be allowed to.
To keep it slightly on topic. NEW is a sandbox attempt at creating a safe clan to allow new players to get their bearings before being annialated in the lands of Agon. For this I applaud the attempt as it's an exercise in the freedom of the game (it's this same freedom peeps are complaining about). Problem is it is done poorly and offers little protection. The main reason clans support NEW is that they are made to believe they have an "in" on recruitment. But I see more and more clans catching on to this and NEW's support is dwindling.
Darkfall is a great game and if you find being in NEW frustrating, get out. Accept that you will die and embrace those freedoms that both get you killed and allow you to play as you want. Theme park amusement mechanics will kill Darkfall.
And by all means, don't cry hack unless you are absolutely proof positive. I'm sure the GM's are annoyed with all the cry wolfs.
This is the last I will speak to this subject. Good day.
So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems. We even gathered three guys together from NEW to gank this higher skilled human who was attacking us. We killed him and took his shit. I got his mount. So I wish I could sympathize. Although there was a PKer in Hammerdale attacking NEW members, but once the officers got on they ran him out of town. So, no problems so far that I've seen. This was on NA server.
So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems.
For a long time I had no problems - but last night I got killed way too many times, up to the point I had decided to quit NEW.
I can take being killed by reds, and I could take being killed by enemy clans - when it is clan politics. But simply getting killed in town while trying to craft or turn in quests - too annoying - especially knowing that is just a way of griefing. I guess the griefers won.
So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems. We even gathered three guys together from NEW to gank this higher skilled human who was attacking us. We killed him and took his shit. I got his mount. So I wish I could sympathize. Although there was a PKer in Hammerdale attacking NEW members, but once the officers got on they ran him out of town. So, no problems so far that I've seen. This was on NA server.
Usually in elf lands you have to be carefull of Bin Laden who attacks NEW and also Bitter LoD (and another guy) who targets any new players (NEW included).
Aside from that, are you in Hammerdale already? If not, I will be heading to Hammerdale tomorrow to pay NEW a small visit so if you need an "escort" whisper me my In-game name is Irenor Rainstone.
So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems. We even gathered three guys together from NEW to gank this higher skilled human who was attacking us. We killed him and took his shit. I got his mount. So I wish I could sympathize. Although there was a PKer in Hammerdale attacking NEW members, but once the officers got on they ran him out of town. So, no problems so far that I've seen. This was on NA server.
Usually in elf lands you have to be carefull of Bin Laden who attacks NEW and also Bitter LoD (and another guy) who targets any new players (NEW included).
Aside from that, are you in Hammerdale already? If not, I will be heading to Hammerdale tomorrow to pay NEW a small visit so if you need an "escort" whisper me my In-game name is Irenor Rainstone.
Hmm have not noticed those names as of yet. But the one griefer attacking us, we ganged up on as I said. I don't think I'm going to Hammerdale tomorrow. Maybe within a few days, I wanna get the most out of the beginning. I'm taking it pretty casually.
I reposted on DF forums as well, really ticks me off and if the community as a whole has no interest in helping a guild get new players hooked on the game then it shows a very narrow sighted and selfish community as a whole and one I would question is worth my time.
Its really funny, and kind of ironic, people whine and whine for a "hardcore" game, then they get it, and what do they do? this kind of crap, which is only going to kill the game they bitched to get.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Originally posted by glofish Originally posted by xanphia So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems.
For a long time I had no problems - but last night I got killed way too many times, up to the point I had decided to quit NEW.
I can take being killed by reds, and I could take being killed by enemy clans - when it is clan politics. But simply getting killed in town while trying to craft or turn in quests - too annoying - especially knowing that is just a way of griefing. I guess the griefers won.
Lookin at you goon squad
It's not a griefing, it's a war. I mean in RL it's enough to kill people once. In MMO this doesn't work so enemies kill you many times to force you to leave the clan. They succeeded, they won...
So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems. We even gathered three guys together from NEW to gank this higher skilled human who was attacking us. We killed him and took his shit. I got his mount. So I wish I could sympathize. Although there was a PKer in Hammerdale attacking NEW members, but once the officers got on they ran him out of town. So, no problems so far that I've seen. This was on NA server.
That pretty much sums up what to do when getting rolled by older players, and I bet it was alot more effective than complaining about hacks that the guy wasn't using and crying for a change in mechanics to make your butt hurt less, right? Also I'm guessing you had alot of fun in the process and maybe turned a profit?
I salute Darth myself, I know for a fact that there are NEW players attacking older players, killing and looting them (as above). Well it is a FFA PvP game and that's what alot of people are playing/paying for right? Why shouldn't older players getting killed by gangs of blood and loot thirsty NEW players retaliate and war dec? I mean are they supposed to just bend over and take it because they're in NEW clan? Who on these forums would seriously let themselves be raped by NEW clan members because they want to encourage newbies? Yeah that's what I thought ... no one!
Give them a dose of their own medicine and war dec or just **** them up at every opportunity, it can only lead to one place and that's some interesting PvP. I bet the players that killed and looted Darth had a great time and were nearly pissing their pants in jubilation for days afterwards. The guy's not a hacker, just a pvper like everyother SoB that bought this game. Maybe he was rolled by a gang of NEW players in an unprovoked attack and he decided to go on a crusade for revenge? Maybe he's just a twisted ****er that wants to rape newbies for the kicks? Who knows, but just enjoy it man and take him down like a bitch when you can and you'll have fun. But crying about hacks and mechanic changes is just lame.
Many players in my clan have been accused of hacking, which they don't. Usually if they lost the battle you get a "Nice man GG", but if they win sometimes you get a "U HACK!!!!!!!".
I also had an interview with Darth and,
So go get him boys!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
being a part of NEW for last 2 weeks. was fun. but i and a lot of other newbies were attacked in our clan city by really high skilled player. he came just to farm out farm. but killed all of us and took our stuff. and repeatedly killed us if we attacked him.
this was late night when our skilled players sleep.
one thought on clans declaring war on other clans. maybe there should be a min amount of clan members before a clan can declare war. unless war declared on them first. this would help prevent this type of thing a bit better.
in everquest you couldn't make a guild without having 10 players to start it. and the rules were. not sure about now. but were you had to maintain 10 or more players to remain a guild. if you had less for 30 days your guild would be disbanded.
i think darkfall could make clans 10+ members. and maybe make hunting parties for 1-9 players mini-clans that can't declare war till they have 10 members and become a clan.
New to any pkers is the definition of a carebear clan. I believe some players in games dont want those type of guild because maybe for themself, its an insult to have a carebear guild in a game like darkfall. So if you are sick of this, leave new or join an other clan and you wont get any trouble.
You cant report because its the type of politic darkfall have. Some dont want new to exist, some will protect them.
Originally posted by xanphia So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems. We even gathered three guys together from NEW to gank this higher skilled human who was attacking us. We killed him and took his shit. I got his mount. So I wish I could sympathize. Although there was a PKer in Hammerdale attacking NEW members, but once the officers got on they ran him out of town. So, no problems so far that I've seen. This was on NA server.
I am not in the NEW clan anymore but Elf lands by far have less players in it then human lands. Elf and dwarf lands are basically empty compared to human lands and thus relatively safer then human lands since there aren't many players in those areas. The human area is by far the most populated area in the game and thus has the greatest amount of PK'ers in game.
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Darkfall is a hard game. If you cant hack being pked by stronger players find a new game.
It is also a front for the founding guilds to cherry pick the best players. Tell me these same arrognant assholes who grief at any chance they get are doing it for the good of the game. Please.
We do new players a disservice not letting them learn survival skills.
Originally posted by bomj I dont like new on many levels. Darkfall is a hard game. If you cant hack being pked by stronger players find a new game. It is also a front for the founding guilds to cherry pick the best players. Tell me these same arrognant assholes who grief at any chance they get are doing it for the good of the game. Please. We do new players a disservice not letting them learn survival skills.
You obviously are stuck on the idea or notion that I was complaining about getting pk'd. That was not he issue at all in my original post. The issue was a person using hacks and exploiting game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Of course if you believe that hacks are not being used or have been dealt with in this game then you are a either clueless, naive or being dishonest. The fact remains that AV has not taken strong enough action against those using hacks or who exploit game mechanics.
Neither has AV they dealt with the security holes in the code base of their game client which allow hacks to be used in DFO. DFO has a lot of great potential to be the EVE of the fantasy world but first AV needs to address the glaring issue which the game faces. They need to fix the things which deter players looking for a clean hack/exploit free fight and game.
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while I see where you are coming from and agree with you dont think GMs will do anything...its allowed to do what he does.
Now get all of you together and gank the motherfucker, last I saw there were 200 members in new, plenty to kill the noob
Or get Black Shields members to camp the town for a few weeks and drive him out
Obviously you rode the short yellow bus at school. Work on your reading comprehension.
He was reported because he was hacking. The NEW members who killed him last night pointed out that he was using some sort of aim bot because his shots never missed period, his stamina never ran out and he ran crazy fast. It took several players to finally kill this guy last night. I was listening in on the entire thing on Mumble.
Examples of hacking in DFO which is rampant, and I say this because I saw someone flying around a few days ago. Apparently the code in DFO is very insecure and easy to hack.
Being killed by legitimate PK'ers is not a big issue with me it happens. Being killed by a hacker who creates a one man clan (WFT is up with that mechanic anyways, they need to make it so you actually need more then 1 person to create a clan.) to kill NEW clan members is just plain game breaking and stupid.
(Edit: There were also reports of him killing people who had left the area entirely but somehow he still managed to find them several times in a row. This points to a teleport hack IMHO.
Oh this is a perfect example of what I was talking about when I say he was said to be running around quickly with no stamina loss.
Darkfall is a hard game. If you cant hack being pked by stronger players find a new game.
It is also a front for the founding guilds to cherry pick the best players. Tell me these same arrognant assholes who grief at any chance they get are doing it for the good of the game. Please.
We do new players a disservice not letting them learn survival skills.
You obviously are stuck on the idea or notion that I was complaining about getting pk'd. That was not he issue at all in my original post. The issue was a person using hacks and exploiting game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Of course if you believe that hacks are not being used or have been dealt with in this game then you are a either clueless, naive or being dishonest. The fact remains that AV has not taken strong enough action against those using hacks or who exploit game mechanics.
Neither has AV they dealt with the security holes in the code base of their game client which allow hacks to be used in DFO. DFO has a lot of great potential to be the EVE of the fantasy world but first AV needs to address the glaring issue which the game faces. They need to fix the things which deter players looking for a clean hack/exploit free fight and game.
Good points and precisely why I never bothered to sub up. Aside from the obivious liars here trying to sell people a bill of goods about how perfect DF is...was...mind you when someone does that to me I think whoa...something smells like shit in Greece.
Hackfall is why I didnt sub. People that protest too much when this subject is brought up as a detractor to DF make me think one of two things, one, they dont play the game, or two they themselves hack etc.
Anyway like you I will be playing MO when it opens, heres to hoping its all that.
Just because you are in NEW doesn't mean you won't be killed... And I doubt that guy was hacking. It happens, but if you did a gm_report chances are he'll disappear in a day or 2
Besides the point knucklehead. Im amazed you are still here...defending stupidity. The game needs new players...the NEW guild is a attempt to help said new players get into the game...what part of that dont you understand? You play the game correct?
IF you actually do instead of spending all your time posted you SHOULD be out there helping these people get situated so you have a more robust game population. I frankly shake my head everytime I see you post in defense of the idiotic. You...get the pink clown ribbon.
Edited to add, you are one of the reasons I didnt sub btw ;} you and a few others here that lied for months about the facts of the game, and here you are. Must be peicework? Whats the rate? 5c a post in favor of AV?
Maybe we need to ask Aventurine for a four man minimum (or something) if you wanna create a clan! I guess those gankers a social retards and will find it hard to find many friends ingame : )
Stupid is...as stupid does. Hire bodyguards? A new player? In a guild orientated to simply be a portal to help new players? ...rofl...omg...daarco...
I may not be playing Darkfall, but I definitely have an interest in the game, but some of these things are really holding me back from thinking of trying it.
These 1 member clans have to stop. Even WoW has a 10 member minimum to start one up, even if its just for a bank alt. Darkfall should require similar requirements, and also a 10 member requirement being met when declaring war. If they fall below that mark, they no longer can go to war and are switched out of it. Hell, that alone should be enough to stop these dbags from doing it.
Also, maybe something similar to Eve Online's starter guild needs to be introduced. A dev-sponsored guild oriented around helping people out in the game, where players can either choose to graduate and receive a small bit of coin and some starter gear, or they can stay in it and become instructors or such. And by being dev-sponsored, the clan can not be targeted by others by declaring War on them. Little rough I know, but hell its a start.
Bravo, this is the sort of thing I had arguements with Einstupid and others here long long ago. They simply dont get it, and frankly have no credibility to justify any of this type of conduct at all. Remarkably according to them there is no hacking in DF, yet it is probably the most famous game out there regarding hacks...as it is the only one you can actually FLY a freaking ship using said hacks. Precious :} isnt it.
Also, maybe something similar to Eve Online's starter guild needs to be introduced. A dev-sponsored guild oriented around helping people out in the game, where players can either choose to graduate and receive a small bit of coin and some starter gear, or they can stay in it and become instructors or such. And by being dev-sponsored, the clan can not be targeted by others by declaring War on them. Little rough I know, but hell its a start.
This is exactly what the NEW clan does. I think it's quite charming that this is in the hands of fellow players and not dev-sponsored.
Stopping 1 man clans from declaring war on NEW can also be player controlled. If a group of players dedicate themselves to hunting down these *criminals*. This would all add to the game. And while the criminals and the hunters bussy themselves with killing eachother, the real newbie will have an easier life.
And add to the player base, yet some of the "lifers" here will swear up and down there is no hacking in DF and has never BEEN any hacking in DF even while people were posting youtube vids showing said hacking...anyway there are people here that really make me fear for the genepool.
I've heard stories from players that transfered to NA that having got there and got the gear secured for them by their clan they're often getting jumped by small groups of NEW players. One told me he was attacked by 3 NEW players, wasted them then declared war on NEW just to teach them a lesson. He doesn't actively hunt NEW players but will take them out if they cross his path. He also says Darth Vader doesn't hack, he's just a godd PvPer, just what I heard. Maybe NEW clan should teach its members not to go causing trouble and antagonize older players? Trouble is the NEW players that aren't muppets are getting punished for the actions of others.
I'm actually in the NEW clan right now and I've come close to killing Darth several times. I've also had several encounters with Enders Game (who I know to avoid because I can't possibly stand against him right now). In all of the times I've encountered Darth, I've never suspected cheating or hacking of any kind. Sure he is good at the sprint and swing method, but a solid parry skill and well-timed attacks as he sprints past sends him packing most of the time. One easy way to fix this issue would be to MOVE to Hammerdale after joining NEW so that you are around other new players for grouping, PVP, etc. As you get better, then spread out some and explore more. By the second week in NEW, you should have a good idea of what's going on. Unfortunately, I've seen players in NEW that have spent the first three weeks there AFK grinding materials just outside the city walls...most of them will end up quitting before the first month is up. Just last night I beat the crap outta a guy that was griefing people right outside of the city gates. Sure he finished off my almost dead mount, but picking his corpse clean paid for the mount and more! It's a PvP game and unless you can prove he was cheating, you shouldn't be reporting him. If he's camping a spot, the MOVE to a new one. There's a whole game world out there to play in. -Maliv
When someone cuts a beeline to you when your hidden by LOS blocking objects, runs right at you, and ive seen radar hacks at work in DAOC against my Shadowblade...then you KNOW they are radaring. All bullshit aside, you can put lipstick on a PIG but its still a pig...understando?
Why shouldnt new players get an advantage? Most of them are newbs and have to learn... I bet my ass if there would a system like it is in EvE for newbs Darkfall would have about double amount of players. That is the one of most reason which scares new people. The massive ganking at newbs in DF. Some are lucky and dont get ganked at all but other getting ganked almost non stop and it gets frustrating for them which makes them to unsubscribe.
Check out EvE it grew over time till it grew out of his role as niche MMORPG. I would say it is the best Sandbox out there but space ships isnt every one taste. And why it could grow? Because the newbs had a space and time to learn everything and as they felt good enough they could go outside and play with big boys, what isnt the case in Darkfall. Only an IDIOT would deny the sucess of EvE.
I dont see a problem if AV would introduce such system. The only ppl who would cry would be these scum bags gankers who just kill newbs and against geared ppl they play naked.
PS : Ofcourse the advantage should be time limited so it doesnt get abused and it should be lead by devs so they can check how long someone is already playing etc.
Good points and once again the "bots" here dont get it. More players, good for everyone, EVERYONE.
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By association, that means guilds in any mmo should be startable by one person, and if one person can start a guild, why should I have to try and get 9/24/however many people into a raid group for a raid dungeon. I should always be able to do ICC 25man in WoW and get the legendary all on my own. Hell, even the 5mans should all have a "one-man" option too. In fact, why not let me just play offline and not have to pay the sub fee, and whenever I feel like having interactions with other people through it I can click "multiplayer"
Yeah no... that's a single-player game. DF is an MMO, which means to take a fortress, you'd either have to have a whole clan (real one), or must be a GM. You go ahead and try and take a fortress from a real clan, please try it. You'll get laughed out of there, they won't even bother to take your gear.
You're using other games mechanics to make an argument about Darkfall. Apples and oranges.
I agree with you that you need a clan to take a fortress but in no way should it be forced by game mechanics. It's forced by the players, the way it should be.
The rest of what you had to say is just plain silly.
It isn't apples and oranges. All MMOs have solo play in them, but solo play doesn't include raids, which are essentially, your fortress sieges. And why not enforce it through in-game mechanics? You wouldn't be able to capture the fortress regardless. By restricting it with in-game mechanics, you just keep the morons from attempting to get a fortress over and over. If it wasn't enforced by the game's mechanics, they'd just whine about it on the forums.
Besides, why make a clan if you are going to be the sole person in it? You only get the chance to declare war on other clans, but if you can kill someone regardless anyways, why bother?
I was tempted to let this rest as it's nearing off topic so i'll tie in some on topic discussion in order to keep it on rail.
WoW = theme park (apples)
DFO = sandbox (oranges)
Do you even play DFO? You're missing the whole spirit of the game and like to make a lot of references to WoW. It's supposed to be a dangerous player driven world. If a one man clan can figure out a way to do anything that normally takes an army, then so be it. It will never happen of course because of the player dynamics. And the fact that you are using that as an argument is getting tiring.
One man clans are also putting themselves at risk because they can be war deced as well. I would personally never start a one man clan because of that risk. But those that enjoy that should be allowed to.
To keep it slightly on topic. NEW is a sandbox attempt at creating a safe clan to allow new players to get their bearings before being annialated in the lands of Agon. For this I applaud the attempt as it's an exercise in the freedom of the game (it's this same freedom peeps are complaining about). Problem is it is done poorly and offers little protection. The main reason clans support NEW is that they are made to believe they have an "in" on recruitment. But I see more and more clans catching on to this and NEW's support is dwindling.
Darkfall is a great game and if you find being in NEW frustrating, get out. Accept that you will die and embrace those freedoms that both get you killed and allow you to play as you want. Theme park amusement mechanics will kill Darkfall.
And by all means, don't cry hack unless you are absolutely proof positive. I'm sure the GM's are annoyed with all the cry wolfs.
This is the last I will speak to this subject. Good day.
You are wrong, 100% wrong.
I listened to a guy in vent, about a week ago, prior to my leaving DF :
He was working every script, every physics hack, radar, wallhack, teleport, float, sitcky... etc that they offered.
Those cheats DO work, Av needs to wise up and invest some money in hack prevention.
So I joined the NEW clan. I've had zero problems. I was in the elf starter town and no problems. We even gathered three guys together from NEW to gank this higher skilled human who was attacking us. We killed him and took his shit. I got his mount. So I wish I could sympathize. Although there was a PKer in Hammerdale attacking NEW members, but once the officers got on they ran him out of town. So, no problems so far that I've seen. This was on NA server.
For a long time I had no problems - but last night I got killed way too many times, up to the point I had decided to quit NEW.
I can take being killed by reds, and I could take being killed by enemy clans - when it is clan politics. But simply getting killed in town while trying to craft or turn in quests - too annoying - especially knowing that is just a way of griefing. I guess the griefers won.
Lookin at you goon squad
Usually in elf lands you have to be carefull of Bin Laden who attacks NEW and also Bitter LoD (and another guy) who targets any new players (NEW included).
my In-game name is Irenor Rainstone.
Aside from that, are you in Hammerdale already? If not, I will be heading to Hammerdale tomorrow to pay NEW a small visit so if you need an "escort" whisper me
Usually in elf lands you have to be carefull of Bin Laden who attacks NEW and also Bitter LoD (and another guy) who targets any new players (NEW included).
my In-game name is Irenor Rainstone.
Aside from that, are you in Hammerdale already? If not, I will be heading to Hammerdale tomorrow to pay NEW a small visit so if you need an "escort" whisper me
Hmm have not noticed those names as of yet. But the one griefer attacking us, we ganged up on as I said. I don't think I'm going to Hammerdale tomorrow. Maybe within a few days, I wanna get the most out of the beginning. I'm taking it pretty casually.
Its really funny, and kind of ironic, people whine and whine for a "hardcore" game, then they get it, and what do they do? this kind of crap, which is only going to kill the game they bitched to get.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
For a long time I had no problems - but last night I got killed way too many times, up to the point I had decided to quit NEW.
I can take being killed by reds, and I could take being killed by enemy clans - when it is clan politics. But simply getting killed in town while trying to craft or turn in quests - too annoying - especially knowing that is just a way of griefing. I guess the griefers won.
Lookin at you goon squad
It's not a griefing, it's a war. I mean in RL it's enough to kill people once. In MMO this doesn't work so enemies kill you many times to force you to leave the clan. They succeeded, they won...
That pretty much sums up what to do when getting rolled by older players, and I bet it was alot more effective than complaining about hacks that the guy wasn't using and crying for a change in mechanics to make your butt hurt less, right? Also I'm guessing you had alot of fun in the process and maybe turned a profit?
I salute Darth myself, I know for a fact that there are NEW players attacking older players, killing and looting them (as above). Well it is a FFA PvP game and that's what alot of people are playing/paying for right? Why shouldn't older players getting killed by gangs of blood and loot thirsty NEW players retaliate and war dec? I mean are they supposed to just bend over and take it because they're in NEW clan? Who on these forums would seriously let themselves be raped by NEW clan members because they want to encourage newbies? Yeah that's what I thought ... no one!
Give them a dose of their own medicine and war dec or just **** them up at every opportunity, it can only lead to one place and that's some interesting PvP. I bet the players that killed and looted Darth had a great time and were nearly pissing their pants in jubilation for days afterwards. The guy's not a hacker, just a pvper like everyother SoB that bought this game. Maybe he was rolled by a gang of NEW players in an unprovoked attack and he decided to go on a crusade for revenge? Maybe he's just a twisted ****er that wants to rape newbies for the kicks? Who knows, but just enjoy it man and take him down like a bitch when you can and you'll have fun. But crying about hacks and mechanic changes is just lame.
Many players in my clan have been accused of hacking, which they don't. Usually if they lost the battle you get a "Nice man GG", but if they win sometimes you get a "U HACK!!!!!!!".
I also had an interview with Darth and,
So go get him boys!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
being a part of NEW for last 2 weeks. was fun. but i and a lot of other newbies were attacked in our clan city by really high skilled player. he came just to farm out farm. but killed all of us and took our stuff. and repeatedly killed us if we attacked him.
this was late night when our skilled players sleep.
one thought on clans declaring war on other clans. maybe there should be a min amount of clan members before a clan can declare war. unless war declared on them first. this would help prevent this type of thing a bit better.
in everquest you couldn't make a guild without having 10 players to start it. and the rules were. not sure about now. but were you had to maintain 10 or more players to remain a guild. if you had less for 30 days your guild would be disbanded.
i think darkfall could make clans 10+ members. and maybe make hunting parties for 1-9 players mini-clans that can't declare war till they have 10 members and become a clan.
New to any pkers is the definition of a carebear clan. I believe some players in games dont want those type of guild because maybe for themself, its an insult to have a carebear guild in a game like darkfall. So if you are sick of this, leave new or join an other clan and you wont get any trouble.
You cant report because its the type of politic darkfall have. Some dont want new to exist, some will protect them.
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I am not in the NEW clan anymore but Elf lands by far have less players in it then human lands. Elf and dwarf lands are basically empty compared to human lands and thus relatively safer then human lands since there aren't many players in those areas. The human area is by far the most populated area in the game and thus has the greatest amount of PK'ers in game.
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I dont like new on many levels.
Darkfall is a hard game. If you cant hack being pked by stronger players find a new game.
It is also a front for the founding guilds to cherry pick the best players. Tell me these same arrognant assholes who grief at any chance they get are doing it for the good of the game. Please.
We do new players a disservice not letting them learn survival skills.
You obviously are stuck on the idea or notion that I was complaining about getting pk'd. That was not he issue at all in my original post. The issue was a person using hacks and exploiting game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Of course if you believe that hacks are not being used or have been dealt with in this game then you are a either clueless, naive or being dishonest. The fact remains that AV has not taken strong enough action against those using hacks or who exploit game mechanics.
Neither has AV they dealt with the security holes in the code base of their game client which allow hacks to be used in DFO. DFO has a lot of great potential to be the EVE of the fantasy world but first AV needs to address the glaring issue which the game faces. They need to fix the things which deter players looking for a clean hack/exploit free fight and game.
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Obviously you rode the short yellow bus at school. Work on your reading comprehension.
He was reported because he was hacking. The NEW members who killed him last night pointed out that he was using some sort of aim bot because his shots never missed period, his stamina never ran out and he ran crazy fast. It took several players to finally kill this guy last night. I was listening in on the entire thing on Mumble.
Examples of hacking in DFO which is rampant, and I say this because I saw someone flying around a few days ago. Apparently the code in DFO is very insecure and easy to hack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53JuuSgJohg
Being killed by legitimate PK'ers is not a big issue with me it happens. Being killed by a hacker who creates a one man clan (WFT is up with that mechanic anyways, they need to make it so you actually need more then 1 person to create a clan.) to kill NEW clan members is just plain game breaking and stupid.
(Edit: There were also reports of him killing people who had left the area entirely but somehow he still managed to find them several times in a row. This points to a teleport hack IMHO.
Oh this is a perfect example of what I was talking about when I say he was said to be running around quickly with no stamina loss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aqco-oVE5w&feature=related )
Dont pay any attention to Einstupid. He has been making a fool of himself here since I made my MMORPG account to follow DF. Disregard morons.
You obviously are stuck on the idea or notion that I was complaining about getting pk'd. That was not he issue at all in my original post. The issue was a person using hacks and exploiting game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Of course if you believe that hacks are not being used or have been dealt with in this game then you are a either clueless, naive or being dishonest. The fact remains that AV has not taken strong enough action against those using hacks or who exploit game mechanics.
Neither has AV they dealt with the security holes in the code base of their game client which allow hacks to be used in DFO. DFO has a lot of great potential to be the EVE of the fantasy world but first AV needs to address the glaring issue which the game faces. They need to fix the things which deter players looking for a clean hack/exploit free fight and game.
Good points and precisely why I never bothered to sub up. Aside from the obivious liars here trying to sell people a bill of goods about how perfect DF is...was...mind you when someone does that to me I think whoa...something smells like shit in Greece.
Hackfall is why I didnt sub. People that protest too much when this subject is brought up as a detractor to DF make me think one of two things, one, they dont play the game, or two they themselves hack etc.
Anyway like you I will be playing MO when it opens, heres to hoping its all that.
Besides the point knucklehead. Im amazed you are still here...defending stupidity. The game needs new players...the NEW guild is a attempt to help said new players get into the game...what part of that dont you understand? You play the game correct?
IF you actually do instead of spending all your time posted you SHOULD be out there helping these people get situated so you have a more robust game population. I frankly shake my head everytime I see you post in defense of the idiotic. You...get the pink clown ribbon.
Edited to add, you are one of the reasons I didnt sub btw ;} you and a few others here that lied for months about the facts of the game, and here you are. Must be peicework? Whats the rate? 5c a post in favor of AV?
Stupid is...as stupid does. Hire bodyguards? A new player? In a guild orientated to simply be a portal to help new players? ...rofl...omg...daarco...
People hack in DF...stop sniffing goatshit from Greece.
Bravo, this is the sort of thing I had arguements with Einstupid and others here long long ago. They simply dont get it, and frankly have no credibility to justify any of this type of conduct at all. Remarkably according to them there is no hacking in DF, yet it is probably the most famous game out there regarding hacks...as it is the only one you can actually FLY a freaking ship using said hacks. Precious :} isnt it.
This is exactly what the NEW clan does. I think it's quite charming that this is in the hands of fellow players and not dev-sponsored.
Stopping 1 man clans from declaring war on NEW can also be player controlled. If a group of players dedicate themselves to hunting down these *criminals*. This would all add to the game. And while the criminals and the hunters bussy themselves with killing eachother, the real newbie will have an easier life.
And add to the player base, yet some of the "lifers" here will swear up and down there is no hacking in DF and has never BEEN any hacking in DF even while people were posting youtube vids showing said hacking...anyway there are people here that really make me fear for the genepool.
How do you know? And your statement also supports the assertion that there was...and IS hacking in DF. Bravo...
He says DV dosnt hack...LMAO. Precious!
When someone cuts a beeline to you when your hidden by LOS blocking objects, runs right at you, and ive seen radar hacks at work in DAOC against my Shadowblade...then you KNOW they are radaring. All bullshit aside, you can put lipstick on a PIG but its still a pig...understando?
Good points and once again the "bots" here dont get it. More players, good for everyone, EVERYONE.