We have 1 player in my guild who rerolled as a human and killed Darth Vadar a few nights ago along with some members from NEW. Is the guy a scumbag? Probably. Is he a hacker, probably not. Once you play this game for any length of time, you will see that a lot of people who are defeated in PvP will jump on the hacker bandwagon to justify their loss. Just like FPS, it comes with the territory. If Vadar is that much of a problem, just get a bunch of your guys together and grief him back. This is Darkfall after all, the tools are in the game for you to get your revenge through any means necessary. Maybe I'll drop my first war deck on this guy just for shits and giggles later tonight.
You havnt the faintest idea who hacks and who dosnt. Ive seen the DF forums when peeps that were banned from hacking had been held in high regard for thier "skillz" and they turned out to be piles of shit. So dont make assertions you cant support either way, has hacking existed in DF? Yes, is this FACT documented? YES...does hacking STILL exist in DF? Apparently according to the OP at the least you can surmise this individual is radaring.
Howerver, if you got pk'd by an invisible player like I did once, I quit playing Darkfall. Basically that is a hack that really isn't that the pk'er isn't invisible, but is using something called the "fly-hack".
Sorry to say that, but you are a whinny who knows nothing about gaming and general IT.
I got killed by a aim-botter in CS I quit ! I got wallhacked in CoD4 I quit !
There is no such a thing like a hack proof multiplayer game and there is always a small minority willing to cheat. Seriously...grow up. You have unreasinoable expectations. Banks system, military networks, corporations get hacked all the time and you demand that your game was hack proof.
To OP:
That's why joining a real clan helps. Clan members will teach/help you anyway and such actions like WAR-deck exploiting usually meet with consequences.
I have been playing DF since April and I always hear people complain about how that guy was speed hacking or aim-botting. I have witness to a speed hack only once. I figured the complaints most likely stem from human nature not liking to lose and now I have evidence that it is. Darth Vader is not a hacker, he is a good pvp'er. If he was hitting you everytime it's most likely a combo of two things. He is good at archery and you are not good at zig zagging in chaotic patterns. I know Darth Vader personally and I can guarantee you he does not hack. If he did, I'd know because I'm the guy he calls when doing anything complicated on the computer. Plus he has always been very good at every game he has played, he's just one of those naturals. My character is much further advanced than his but I know that when we do cross eachother in game, he's going to own my ass. Not because of any hacks, but because he's good and I'm just so so. Stop yelling hack every time you lose. This game is hard and you will die a lot. Get the hell out of NEW! Other topics that have been brought up in this thread. NEW: Interesting idea but it is failing. Why? because there is nobody exercising the sandbox aspect and regulary protecting them. They live in an unprotected city and expect everybody to leave them alone because they are NEW. They are one of the biggest clans and they can not cooperate to take down one guy. If anything, joining NEW will cause you to not like this game. Start at a ...wait for it....here it comes......Starter town. Now that's a novel idea.
Minimum number to clans: No way! You have to be in a clan to take village control points, declare war, be war decced and take sea fortresses. If you can not create a one man clan, you can not enjoy all aspects of the game and solo play should always be a viable option. Stop relying on game mechanics to protect you, start exercising the sand box aspect.
The OP stated he cut beelines to peeps that were out of LOS. Radaring ring a bell? Stop being stupid ofr stupids sake huh? Your ruining stupids rep.
Close one, I almost got the game when I heard that the hakcers were leaving and it hacking was rare. Seems to be a "who can outhack whom" game anymore. sad.
Minimum number to clans: No way! You have to be in a clan to take village control points, declare war, be war decced and take sea fortresses. If you can not create a one man clan, you can not enjoy all aspects of the game and solo play should always be a viable option. Stop relying on game mechanics to protect you, start exercising the sand box aspect.
By association, that means guilds in any mmo should be startable by one person, and if one person can start a guild, why should I have to try and get 9/24/however many people into a raid group for a raid dungeon. I should always be able to do ICC 25man in WoW and get the legendary all on my own. Hell, even the 5mans should all have a "one-man" option too. In fact, why not let me just play offline and not have to pay the sub fee, and whenever I feel like having interactions with other people through it I can click "multiplayer"
Yeah no... that's a single-player game. DF is an MMO, which means to take a fortress, you'd either have to have a whole clan (real one), or must be a GM. You go ahead and try and take a fortress from a real clan, please try it. You'll get laughed out of there, they won't even bother to take your gear.
You're using other games mechanics to make an argument about Darkfall. Apples and oranges.
I agree with you that you need a clan to take a fortress but in no way should it be forced by game mechanics. It's forced by the players, the way it should be.
The rest of what you had to say is just plain silly.
It isn't apples and oranges. All MMOs have solo play in them, but solo play doesn't include raids, which are essentially, your fortress sieges. And why not enforce it through in-game mechanics? You wouldn't be able to capture the fortress regardless. By restricting it with in-game mechanics, you just keep the morons from attempting to get a fortress over and over. If it wasn't enforced by the game's mechanics, they'd just whine about it on the forums.
Besides, why make a clan if you are going to be the sole person in it? You only get the chance to declare war on other clans, but if you can kill someone regardless anyways, why bother?
I was tempted to let this rest as it's nearing off topic so i'll tie in some on topic discussion in order to keep it on rail.
WoW = theme park (apples)
DFO = sandbox (oranges)
Do you even play DFO? You're missing the whole spirit of the game and like to make a lot of references to WoW. It's supposed to be a dangerous player driven world. If a one man clan can figure out a way to do anything that normally takes an army, then so be it. It will never happen of course because of the player dynamics. And the fact that you are using that as an argument is getting tiring.
One man clans are also putting themselves at risk because they can be war deced as well. I would personally never start a one man clan because of that risk. But those that enjoy that should be allowed to.
To keep it slightly on topic. NEW is a sandbox attempt at creating a safe clan to allow new players to get their bearings before being annialated in the lands of Agon. For this I applaud the attempt as it's an exercise in the freedom of the game (it's this same freedom peeps are complaining about). Problem is it is done poorly and offers little protection. The main reason clans support NEW is that they are made to believe they have an "in" on recruitment. But I see more and more clans catching on to this and NEW's support is dwindling.
Darkfall is a great game and if you find being in NEW frustrating, get out. Accept that you will die and embrace those freedoms that both get you killed and allow you to play as you want. Theme park amusement mechanics will kill Darkfall.
And by all means, don't cry hack unless you are absolutely proof positive. I'm sure the GM's are annoyed with all the cry wolfs.
This is the last I will speak to this subject. Good day.
The OPs point was never about the nature of a FFA open PVP world, but rather, (wait for it)....(here it comes) what drove him out of the game. To be specific (wait for it) ... (here it comes)... his preception of hacking, a individual in question and his finger on the cancel button. You still following me? Stay on topic if you want to make points, I lost you on the apples/oranges, your obsession with WOW or was it something else with orange apple pie?
I reposted on DF forums as well, really ticks me off and if the community as a whole has no interest in helping a guild get new players hooked on the game then it shows a very narrow sighted and selfish community as a whole and one I would question is worth my time.
Its really funny, and kind of ironic, people whine and whine for a "hardcore" game, then they get it, and what do they do? this kind of crap, which is only going to kill the game they bitched to get.
Hard core and the assertion someone is exploiting game machanics by hacking to "grief" players has absolutely nothing to do with the drivel you just typed...glue? or paint thinner.
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You havnt the faintest idea who hacks and who dosnt. Ive seen the DF forums when peeps that were banned from hacking had been held in high regard for thier "skillz" and they turned out to be piles of shit. So dont make assertions you cant support either way, has hacking existed in DF? Yes, is this FACT documented? YES...does hacking STILL exist in DF? Apparently according to the OP at the least you can surmise this individual is radaring.
Paragus go back to writing reviews please.
Sorry to say that, but you are a whinny who knows nothing about gaming and general IT.
I got killed by a aim-botter in CS I quit ! I got wallhacked in CoD4 I quit !
There is no such a thing like a hack proof multiplayer game and there is always a small minority willing to cheat. Seriously...grow up. You have unreasinoable expectations. Banks system, military networks, corporations get hacked all the time and you demand that your game was hack proof.
To OP:
That's why joining a real clan helps. Clan members will teach/help you anyway and such actions like WAR-deck exploiting usually meet with consequences.
Excusing hacking isnt acceptable, Get a grip hat.
The OP stated he cut beelines to peeps that were out of LOS. Radaring ring a bell? Stop being stupid ofr stupids sake huh? Your ruining stupids rep.
Close one, I almost got the game when I heard that the hakcers were leaving and it hacking was rare. Seems to be a "who can outhack whom" game anymore. sad.
By association, that means guilds in any mmo should be startable by one person, and if one person can start a guild, why should I have to try and get 9/24/however many people into a raid group for a raid dungeon. I should always be able to do ICC 25man in WoW and get the legendary all on my own. Hell, even the 5mans should all have a "one-man" option too. In fact, why not let me just play offline and not have to pay the sub fee, and whenever I feel like having interactions with other people through it I can click "multiplayer"
Yeah no... that's a single-player game. DF is an MMO, which means to take a fortress, you'd either have to have a whole clan (real one), or must be a GM. You go ahead and try and take a fortress from a real clan, please try it. You'll get laughed out of there, they won't even bother to take your gear.
You're using other games mechanics to make an argument about Darkfall. Apples and oranges.
I agree with you that you need a clan to take a fortress but in no way should it be forced by game mechanics. It's forced by the players, the way it should be.
The rest of what you had to say is just plain silly.
It isn't apples and oranges. All MMOs have solo play in them, but solo play doesn't include raids, which are essentially, your fortress sieges. And why not enforce it through in-game mechanics? You wouldn't be able to capture the fortress regardless. By restricting it with in-game mechanics, you just keep the morons from attempting to get a fortress over and over. If it wasn't enforced by the game's mechanics, they'd just whine about it on the forums.
Besides, why make a clan if you are going to be the sole person in it? You only get the chance to declare war on other clans, but if you can kill someone regardless anyways, why bother?
I was tempted to let this rest as it's nearing off topic so i'll tie in some on topic discussion in order to keep it on rail.
WoW = theme park (apples)
DFO = sandbox (oranges)
Do you even play DFO? You're missing the whole spirit of the game and like to make a lot of references to WoW. It's supposed to be a dangerous player driven world. If a one man clan can figure out a way to do anything that normally takes an army, then so be it. It will never happen of course because of the player dynamics. And the fact that you are using that as an argument is getting tiring.
One man clans are also putting themselves at risk because they can be war deced as well. I would personally never start a one man clan because of that risk. But those that enjoy that should be allowed to.
To keep it slightly on topic. NEW is a sandbox attempt at creating a safe clan to allow new players to get their bearings before being annialated in the lands of Agon. For this I applaud the attempt as it's an exercise in the freedom of the game (it's this same freedom peeps are complaining about). Problem is it is done poorly and offers little protection. The main reason clans support NEW is that they are made to believe they have an "in" on recruitment. But I see more and more clans catching on to this and NEW's support is dwindling.
Darkfall is a great game and if you find being in NEW frustrating, get out. Accept that you will die and embrace those freedoms that both get you killed and allow you to play as you want. Theme park amusement mechanics will kill Darkfall.
And by all means, don't cry hack unless you are absolutely proof positive. I'm sure the GM's are annoyed with all the cry wolfs.
This is the last I will speak to this subject. Good day.
The OPs point was never about the nature of a FFA open PVP world, but rather, (wait for it)....(here it comes) what drove him out of the game. To be specific (wait for it) ... (here it comes)... his preception of hacking, a individual in question and his finger on the cancel button. You still following me? Stay on topic if you want to make points, I lost you on the apples/oranges, your obsession with WOW or was it something else with orange apple pie?
Its really funny, and kind of ironic, people whine and whine for a "hardcore" game, then they get it, and what do they do? this kind of crap, which is only going to kill the game they bitched to get.
Hard core and the assertion someone is exploiting game machanics by hacking to "grief" players has absolutely nothing to do with the drivel you just typed...glue? or paint thinner.