I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Pretty sure the poster meant in the media. Games, movies, cartoons, etc.
yeah he was, apparently Yamota just wanted to make an ass of himself.
I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
It makes perfect sense. In this society it goes largely unnoticed if you are playing a game where you are killing countless pixel people, but mess around and let someone have a pair of same sex pixels bumping uglies and every puritan comes out of the woodwork in a rage.
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
Porn in video games? *sigh* what happened to the old fashion Tolkien type RPGs. Now games have all this political correct nonsense with gay sex and what not. I mean seriously, if I want porn I download it. Why does a fantasy game have to have porn? Gay or otherwise.
You consider two people rolling around in their undergarments porn?
Two people rolling around having sex in a popular media (like movies or games) I consider porn yes. It is not hardcore porn but still porn.
Distinguish between sex between real adults (or violence for that matter) and fictional sex on a tv screen.
Because sex is not part of human society.
There is also the option of if you don't like it, don't play it.
Sex is a major part of human society! Ever pick up a magazine? Hlaf naked women AND men.. Movies... TV.. The old saying "sex sells" Sex has been around seen the dawn of time.. and for Bible thumpers.. Adam & Eve... Good or bad in anyones view.. sex is a major part of society... maybe it's been stifled in the U.S. but in Europe, sex is an even bigger cash cow.
I was being sarcastic : )
Sex can either be ignored or accepted. I'll continue to accept it, who am I to deny pleasure?
Well seeing as you are incapable of distinguishing between sex and sex in popular media then whats the point in discussing this?
If you feel sex is "part of human society" then please go ahead, make a movie of you and your gf having sex and release it to the public.
There really is no difference between seeing a naked woman, and seeing a half naked woman and your mind immediately seeing her naked.. or a half naked couple embracing provocatively in a magazine/tv ad and your mind going the next step. There may be a distinction .. but it is a fine line.. Besides many have 'taped their gf having sex and released it to the public'. Ever hear of the internet?
*sigh*
Did I say that it did not exist? No.
What I was saying is that sex is something private, porn is something public.
Maybe you didnt. However you are the one who implied you do not believe that sex is 'part of human society' by challenging those that do to make a film of their gf's having sex. so *sigh* away.
Seriously.... I mean SERIOUSLY!!! If people find it offensive or whatever stop buying 18+/M rated games for your 10yo.
Parents are to blame here for starters. Getting all offended by the homo romances..... I'll say it again SERIOUSLY. They are only brought on if YOU the player actually flirt back and your just in denial that your son/daughter initiated it in the first place.
Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point. The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games. When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.
Then don't play them, majority of games have no porn in them. You want to have a perfect black & white world, uniformed everything to meet your requests. You really should wake up and open your eyes instead of living in your own fantasies.
I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Pretty sure the poster meant in the media. Games, movies, cartoons, etc.
Then he should say fictional sex and fictional murder.
That seems to be a different that alot of people in this thread are not doing. In RL a person is alot more enclined to engage into sex than to murder someone, so obviously media depicting sex is more concerning to parents than media depicting violence, particulary murder. Since it is very unlikely, and more unusual, that people kill someone than having sex with someone so most parent need not worry about that.
You are confusing 'making love' with sex... porn is sex.. filmed, taken pictures or if you will any visual sexuial acts without artistic merit. Sex is any sexual act porn or otherwise.
Porn is sex videotaped.
Oh really, you're changing your definition now?
So your response to my earlier argument is now moot. The cutscene in DA:O does not contain "sex videotaped", nor is it graphic, or intended to cause arousal (if it did, the person aroused by it needs help).
Therefore, from your own responses, and contradicting yourself merrily as you go: it is not porn.
Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point. The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games. When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.
Ok, let me explain this again, for your understanding.
Game A has sexual content, game B does not. Game A is aimed at a crowd that is fine with sexual encounters, game B is not.
You choose to sit here and bitch about A not being like B because you believe sex shouldn't be in video games. I don't care why YOU play games. I don't play games for the sex either. BioWare did build a deep story around the romance lines, the Morrigan ending was pretty crazy. But you wouldn't know would you?
I still dont understand how this article managed to get us.. those who dont really even care, and know the difference between what is acceptable to us in a _game_ for god's sake. Have us argueing, or rather debating amongst ourselves the difference between porn and sex in media...
Ugh, guess its 1 point for the right wing ultra conservatives... I cant feed em anymore.
Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point. The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games. When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.
Then don't play them, majority of games have no porn in them. You want to have a perfect black & white world, uniformed everything to meet your requests. You really should wake up by now.
I am not playing that game but so what? I thought this was the news discussion on MMORPG.COM and not Dragons Age Origins forum.
And it has nothing to do with black and white but rather that I want to keep things seperated. When I eat burger I want to eat a burger and not a mix of burger and pizza. That is for me personally.
For parents I can imagine people not wanting to subject their children to such things. You may want to, heck show a hardcore porn movie for your kids if you want, but others might not want to.
I still dont understand how this article managed to get us.. those who dont really even care, and know the difference between what is acceptable to us in a _game_ for god's sake. Have us argueing, or rather debating amongst ourselves the difference between porn and sex in media...
Ugh, guess its 1 point for the right wing ultra conservatives... I cant feed em anymore.
You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
This is all business...Controversy sells and Bioware knows this.
They stumbled over this with their mass effect game with the female blue alien + female played human sex scene and got a tiny bit of a media buzz over it (in a good way). I guarantee you this fueled them to force the concept of sex into this game more heavily especially the idea of gay sex... since it worked for them in the last game.
A game company only has to look as far as Rockstar games to see how sex, gay or straight, gets you tons of negative press that ultimately turns into HUGE money! I mean HUGE money!!! The old adage is true... all press is good press.
Since games sell to predominantly young audiences they are more apt to buck the status qou set by the overly liberal media and become motivated buyers. If games catered to elderly the opposite would likely be true.
You have to 1st know your audience to take big risks. Props to Bioware for knowing how to make money and having the nerve to take risks to push the envelope.
Whether people view this as morally good or bad... this is a business for them and there are plenty of other businesses willing to be a whole lot more unscrupulous to earn money. In the grander scheme of things this is minor. All they really did was buck the status quo.
You are confusing 'making love' with sex... porn is sex.. filmed, taken pictures or if you will any visual sexuial acts without artistic merit. Sex is any sexual act porn or otherwise.
Porn is sex videotaped.
Oh really, you're changing your definition now?
So your response to my earlier argument is now moot. The cutscene in DA:O does not contain "sex videotaped", nor is it graphic, or intended to cause arousal (if it did, the person aroused by it needs help).
Therefore, from your own responses, and contradicting yourself merrily as you go: it is not porn.
Se now you've managed to confuse me... Maybe it's because I'm tired or perhaps we are argueing the same point in the long run I dont know. My statement was in response the statement by Yamato of "Because sex is not part of human society." .. which he replied to me that he was joking.. and somehow steamrolled into this... so I'm confused... which granted is easy.... but..
Sex is everywhere.. call it porn call it sex, call it love making... I dont care if its implied or not.. and I dont care that it exists, it doesnt bother me. Uhm, what were we talking about... Forget it.. I'm getting more coffee.
Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point. The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games. When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.
Ok, let me explain this again, for your understanding.
Game A has sexual content, game B does not. Game A is aimed at a crowd that is fine with sexual encounters, game B is not.
You choose to sit here and bitch about A not being like B because you believe sex shouldn't be in video games. I don't care why YOU play games. I don't play games for the sex either. BioWare did build a deep story around the romance lines, the Morrigan ending was pretty crazy. But you wouldn't know would you?
I am not bitching any more than you are bitching about it. Its called expressing ones opinion, you know a right people in most free countries enjoy.
But anyhow, you say you dont play games for the sex yet you are so adamant about it being in there. Ok whatever.
And now romance equals sex as well? Damn, you have a pretty skewed view on what sex is.
I still dont understand how this article managed to get us.. those who dont really even care, and know the difference between what is acceptable to us in a _game_ for god's sake. Have us argueing, or rather debating amongst ourselves the difference between porn and sex in media...
Ugh, guess its 1 point for the right wing ultra conservatives... I cant feed em anymore.
You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
Really? So all these right wing republican's in the U.S who are anti-gay and dont want to 'god forbid!' teach the youth how to use a condom.. arent trying to impose thier social rules AND religious views on the public? What the hell ever happened to separation of church and state.
... For parents I can imagine people not wanting to subject their children to such things. You may want to, heck show a hardcore porn movie for your kids if you want, but others might not want to.
This is like debating that television is for kids only and therefore should not show anything beyond cartoons. Just because this is a game, does not make it a children material. In this case, this particular game was meant to be played by adults.
You are confusing 'making love' with sex... porn is sex.. filmed, taken pictures or if you will any visual sexuial acts without artistic merit. Sex is any sexual act porn or otherwise.
Porn is sex videotaped.
Oh really, you're changing your definition now?
So your response to my earlier argument is now moot. The cutscene in DA:O does not contain "sex videotaped", nor is it graphic, or intended to cause arousal (if it did, the person aroused by it needs help).
Therefore, from your own responses, and contradicting yourself merrily as you go: it is not porn.
Se now you've managed to confuse me... Maybe it's because I'm tired or perhaps we are argueing the same point in the long run I dont know. My statement was in response the statement by Yamato of "Because sex is not part of human society." .. which he replied to me that he was joking.. and somehow steamrolled into this... so I'm confused... which granted is easy.... but..
Sex is everywhere.. call it porn call it sex, call it love making... I dont care if its implied or not.. and I dont care that it exists, it doesnt bother me. Uhm, what were we talking about... Forget it.. I'm getting more coffee.
When you have sexual intercourse, with whoever, do you consider yourself making porn?
Because the distinction is quite easy. Porn is depicting sex with the intent to raise sexual arrousal where as sex is just engaging in sexual intercourse.
You dont even have to depict a full sexual intercourse for it being porn. All that matters is the intent to raise sexual arrousal and if the creators of this game, and whoever else, thinks that depicting two, young sexually attractive females, rolling around in the ground kissing each other, will NOT cause sexual arrousal on most young males, you are seriously deluded.
Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point. The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games. When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.
Then don't play them, majority of games have no porn in them. You want to have a perfect black & white world, uniformed everything to meet your requests. You really should wake up by now.
I am not playing that game but so what? I thought this was the news discussion on MMORPG.COM and not Dragons Age Origins forum.
And it has nothing to do with black and white but rather that I want to keep things seperated. When I eat burger I want to eat a burger and not a mix of burger and pizza. That is for me personally.
For parents I can imagine people not wanting to subject their children to such things. You may want to, heck show a hardcore porn movie for your kids if you want, but others might not want to.
Honestly, if I'd be a parent I would never let my teenage kids play a game rated M 18+.
It has everything to do with black & white view. You want to eat burger and not a mix of burger and pizza, which is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't you then eat just a meat if you want meat and a bread if you want a bread. Burger is already a mix of meat, bread, ketchup whatever... You just cut the stage you liked the most.
I am not bitching any more than you are bitching about it. Its called expressing ones opinion, you know a right people in most free countries enjoy. But anyhow, you say you dont play games for the sex yet you are so adamant about it being in there. Ok whatever. And now romance equals sex as well? Damn, you have a pretty skewed view on what sex is.
The writer picked the gay sex out of everything the game contained. I found it a horribly sad move. What about the prostitution? Hell you can literally screw a demon in DA:O. I just found it distasteful, not to mention how they referred to it.
I DON'T play games for the sex, however if it is there I don't have a problem with it. I can deal with sexual material. It's not a problem to me, even if It was, I would acknowledge the sex scene or the romance line was skipable
Actually in DA:O it is a romance quest line, this is what I was referring to. Romance lines are in both DA:O and ME. You wouldn't know because you probably never played either one. I'm sorry you are ignorant on the subject.
For parents I can imagine people not wanting to subject their children to such things. You may want to, heck show a hardcore porn movie for your kids if you want, but others might not want to.
Please don't drag this tired excuse into the fray. If I as a parent am too lazy to know what games my kids are playing then I have no right to complain that Jr might encounter a pixel labia somewhere in the midst of a video game.
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
I still dont understand how this article managed to get us.. those who dont really even care, and know the difference between what is acceptable to us in a _game_ for god's sake. Have us argueing, or rather debating amongst ourselves the difference between porn and sex in media...
Ugh, guess its 1 point for the right wing ultra conservatives... I cant feed em anymore.
You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
Really? So all these right wing republican's in the U.S who are anti-gay and dont want to 'god forbid!' teach the youth how to use a condom.. arent trying to impose thier social rules AND religious views on the public? What the hell ever happened to separation of church and state.
I don't F. care how it is in USA, it's not an ultimate rule that applies to every other country.
In fact, almost every country in Europe - liberal parties are usually those that impose the most restrictions. Our Slovakian liberal social democratic government just MADE a F. law that every child in high school will need to sing our anthem every day in the morning when the teacher comes in. Opposition here, is right wing party that actually wants to allow homosexuals to have a marriage. I can give you examples like that almost in every country in Europe. As I said, social liberalism & conservativism has nothing to do whether it's a right wing or left wing party.
Wouldn't be the first time it happened. www.youtube.com/watch It's about as funny as it is pathetic. BioWare should push more buttons I like watching the media make a big deal out of nothing.
What I find about as funny as it is pathetic is corporate greed trying to milk dry its playerbase by sad attempts to boost their sales.
People play RPG's for the game, not to have sex and nudity. But just because Oblivious/Fallout3 nude patches are the most downloaded content on Fileplanet doesn't mean developers should stoop down to such a pathetic level that they feel they have to stick in as much shocking filler as possible.
It's pathetic, because instead of making the game more fun as a RPG, they WASTED all this time adding in this senseless crap. For every extra drop of blood and naked boob, that's another feature gone from the actual gameplay.
And I'm sorry if I want my RPG's to focus on being a good RPG and not being a mix between RPG and Pornography/Gore.
I watch pornography to watch pornography. I watch scary movies to see gore. I play RPG's to play RPG's.
I don't want them mixed, because then they become dilluted and lose focus on what really matters. If corporations put in half the effort and money it took to advertise half-naked women, prostitutes, drugs, and needless gore- we would have more MMORPG's like WoW and less like [insert recent failure MMO].
Focus. Focus. Focus. If I want sex, I'll go have sex. If I want to see naked women, I will go see content 10000x better than pixelated boobs. I want to slay a dragon in Dragon Age, not have lesbian pixel sex. If I want both, I'll look at boobs and afterwards slay a dragon, using two different games/websites.
That's why I find it pathetic and stupid. That's why I'm against this sort of filth. Keep my games clean (focused on GAMEPLAY) and keep my sex filthy. Don't try to make the former dirty or the latter cleaner.
For parents I can imagine people not wanting to subject their children to such things. You may want to, heck show a hardcore porn movie for your kids if you want, but others might not want to.
Please don't drag this tired excuse into the fray. If I as a parent am too lazy to know what games my kids are playing then I have no right to complain that Jr might encounter a pixel labia somewhere in the midst of a video game.
It's funny how many parents don't stop their children from watching violence from an early age, but raise hell if a nipple is shown. Society has some messed up priorities.
Wouldn't be the first time it happened. www.youtube.com/watch It's about as funny as it is pathetic. BioWare should push more buttons I like watching the media make a big deal out of nothing.
What I find about as funny as it is pathetic is corporate greed trying to milk dry its playerbase by sad attempts to boost their sales.
People play RPG's for the game, not to have sex and nudity. But just because Oblivious/Fallout3 nude patches are the most downloaded content on Fileplanet doesn't mean developers should stoop down to such a pathetic level that they feel they have to stick in as much shocking filler as possible.
It's pathetic, because instead of making the game more fun as a RPG, they WASTED all this time adding in this senseless crap. For every extra drop of blood and naked boob, that's another feature gone from the actual gameplay.
And I'm sorry if I want my RPG's to focus on being a good RPG and not being a mix between RPG and Pornography/Gore.
I watch pornography to watch pornography. I watch scary movies to see gore. I play RPG's to play RPG's.
I don't want them mixed, because then they become dilluted and lose focus on what really matters. If corporations put in half the effort and money it took to advertise half-naked women, prostitutes, drugs, and needless gore- we would have more MMORPG's like WoW and less like [insert recent failure MMO].
Focus. Focus. Focus. If I want sex, I'll go have sex. If I want to see naked women, I will go see content 10000x better than pixelated boobs. I want to slay a dragon in Dragon Age, not have lesbian pixel sex. If I want both, I'll look at boobs and afterwards slay a dragon, using two different games/websites.
That's why I find it pathetic and stupid. That's why I'm against this sort of filth. Keep my games clean (focused on GAMEPLAY) and keep my sex filthy. Don't try to make the former dirty or the latter cleaner.
It's not shock filler. It's not even shocking. If you can't handle it find another game. The game was called a "Dark Fantasy" which then went on to carry a M rating telling you what the game had. Every game does this. If you was shocked it's because you're a damned idiot.
EDIT: nevermind you're just another guy that didn't play the game. DA:O was about 30 min worth of Romance lines. While it had over 160h of actual RPG. And not one tit was shown. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
I play DA:O and enjoy it greatly. I am looking at the cover right now and right there on the front is a black "M" for mature. As I am an adult ( 36) I actually look for this rating for two reasons: my young children ( to keep away from them) and for myself ( to see if I am interested in playing it). I don't buy video games for the "sex scenes" (implied or not), sex is not new in any industry, it sells in almost any application anywhere. "Sex scenes" are usually (and hopefully) just one small aspect of a good mature game. So the bottom line is: Parent your kids, it's your job, and surprise! once again sex in the entertainment industry sells a lot and fast!
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What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Pretty sure the poster meant in the media. Games, movies, cartoons, etc.
yeah he was, apparently Yamota just wanted to make an ass of himself.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
It makes perfect sense. In this society it goes largely unnoticed if you are playing a game where you are killing countless pixel people, but mess around and let someone have a pair of same sex pixels bumping uglies and every puritan comes out of the woodwork in a rage.
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
You consider two people rolling around in their undergarments porn?
Two people rolling around having sex in a popular media (like movies or games) I consider porn yes. It is not hardcore porn but still porn.
Distinguish between sex between real adults (or violence for that matter) and fictional sex on a tv screen.
Because sex is not part of human society.
There is also the option of if you don't like it, don't play it.
Sex is a major part of human society! Ever pick up a magazine? Hlaf naked women AND men.. Movies... TV.. The old saying "sex sells" Sex has been around seen the dawn of time.. and for Bible thumpers.. Adam & Eve... Good or bad in anyones view.. sex is a major part of society... maybe it's been stifled in the U.S. but in Europe, sex is an even bigger cash cow.
I was being sarcastic : )
Sex can either be ignored or accepted. I'll continue to accept it, who am I to deny pleasure?
Well seeing as you are incapable of distinguishing between sex and sex in popular media then whats the point in discussing this?
If you feel sex is "part of human society" then please go ahead, make a movie of you and your gf having sex and release it to the public.
There really is no difference between seeing a naked woman, and seeing a half naked woman and your mind immediately seeing her naked.. or a half naked couple embracing provocatively in a magazine/tv ad and your mind going the next step. There may be a distinction .. but it is a fine line.. Besides many have 'taped their gf having sex and released it to the public'. Ever hear of the internet?
*sigh*
Did I say that it did not exist? No.
What I was saying is that sex is something private, porn is something public.
Maybe you didnt. However you are the one who implied you do not believe that sex is 'part of human society' by challenging those that do to make a film of their gf's having sex. so *sigh* away.
What is this world coming too?
Seriously.... I mean SERIOUSLY!!! If people find it offensive or whatever stop buying 18+/M rated games for your 10yo.
Parents are to blame here for starters. Getting all offended by the homo romances..... I'll say it again SERIOUSLY. They are only brought on if YOU the player actually flirt back and your just in denial that your son/daughter initiated it in the first place.
Then don't play them, majority of games have no porn in them. You want to have a perfect black & white world, uniformed everything to meet your requests. You really should wake up and open your eyes instead of living in your own fantasies.
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What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Pretty sure the poster meant in the media. Games, movies, cartoons, etc.
Then he should say fictional sex and fictional murder.
That seems to be a different that alot of people in this thread are not doing. In RL a person is alot more enclined to engage into sex than to murder someone, so obviously media depicting sex is more concerning to parents than media depicting violence, particulary murder. Since it is very unlikely, and more unusual, that people kill someone than having sex with someone so most parent need not worry about that.
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Oh really, you're changing your definition now?
So your response to my earlier argument is now moot. The cutscene in DA:O does not contain "sex videotaped", nor is it graphic, or intended to cause arousal (if it did, the person aroused by it needs help).
Therefore, from your own responses, and contradicting yourself merrily as you go: it is not porn.
Ok, let me explain this again, for your understanding.
Game A has sexual content, game B does not. Game A is aimed at a crowd that is fine with sexual encounters, game B is not.
You choose to sit here and bitch about A not being like B because you believe sex shouldn't be in video games. I don't care why YOU play games. I don't play games for the sex either. BioWare did build a deep story around the romance lines, the Morrigan ending was pretty crazy. But you wouldn't know would you?
I still dont understand how this article managed to get us.. those who dont really even care, and know the difference between what is acceptable to us in a _game_ for god's sake. Have us argueing, or rather debating amongst ourselves the difference between porn and sex in media...
Ugh, guess its 1 point for the right wing ultra conservatives... I cant feed em anymore.
Then don't play them, majority of games have no porn in them. You want to have a perfect black & white world, uniformed everything to meet your requests. You really should wake up by now.
I am not playing that game but so what? I thought this was the news discussion on MMORPG.COM and not Dragons Age Origins forum.
And it has nothing to do with black and white but rather that I want to keep things seperated. When I eat burger I want to eat a burger and not a mix of burger and pizza. That is for me personally.
For parents I can imagine people not wanting to subject their children to such things. You may want to, heck show a hardcore porn movie for your kids if you want, but others might not want to.
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You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
REALITY CHECK
This is all business...Controversy sells and Bioware knows this.
They stumbled over this with their mass effect game with the female blue alien + female played human sex scene and got a tiny bit of a media buzz over it (in a good way). I guarantee you this fueled them to force the concept of sex into this game more heavily especially the idea of gay sex... since it worked for them in the last game.
A game company only has to look as far as Rockstar games to see how sex, gay or straight, gets you tons of negative press that ultimately turns into HUGE money! I mean HUGE money!!! The old adage is true... all press is good press.
Since games sell to predominantly young audiences they are more apt to buck the status qou set by the overly liberal media and become motivated buyers. If games catered to elderly the opposite would likely be true.
You have to 1st know your audience to take big risks. Props to Bioware for knowing how to make money and having the nerve to take risks to push the envelope.
Whether people view this as morally good or bad... this is a business for them and there are plenty of other businesses willing to be a whole lot more unscrupulous to earn money. In the grander scheme of things this is minor. All they really did was buck the status quo.
Oh really, you're changing your definition now?
So your response to my earlier argument is now moot. The cutscene in DA:O does not contain "sex videotaped", nor is it graphic, or intended to cause arousal (if it did, the person aroused by it needs help).
Therefore, from your own responses, and contradicting yourself merrily as you go: it is not porn.
Se now you've managed to confuse me... Maybe it's because I'm tired or perhaps we are argueing the same point in the long run I dont know. My statement was in response the statement by Yamato of "Because sex is not part of human society." .. which he replied to me that he was joking.. and somehow steamrolled into this... so I'm confused... which granted is easy.... but..
Sex is everywhere.. call it porn call it sex, call it love making... I dont care if its implied or not.. and I dont care that it exists, it doesnt bother me. Uhm, what were we talking about... Forget it.. I'm getting more coffee.
Ok, let me explain this again, for your understanding.
Game A has sexual content, game B does not. Game A is aimed at a crowd that is fine with sexual encounters, game B is not.
You choose to sit here and bitch about A not being like B because you believe sex shouldn't be in video games. I don't care why YOU play games. I don't play games for the sex either. BioWare did build a deep story around the romance lines, the Morrigan ending was pretty crazy. But you wouldn't know would you?
I am not bitching any more than you are bitching about it. Its called expressing ones opinion, you know a right people in most free countries enjoy.
But anyhow, you say you dont play games for the sex yet you are so adamant about it being in there. Ok whatever.
And now romance equals sex as well? Damn, you have a pretty skewed view on what sex is.
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You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
Really? So all these right wing republican's in the U.S who are anti-gay and dont want to 'god forbid!' teach the youth how to use a condom.. arent trying to impose thier social rules AND religious views on the public? What the hell ever happened to separation of church and state.
This is like debating that television is for kids only and therefore should not show anything beyond cartoons. Just because this is a game, does not make it a children material. In this case, this particular game was meant to be played by adults.
Oh really, you're changing your definition now?
So your response to my earlier argument is now moot. The cutscene in DA:O does not contain "sex videotaped", nor is it graphic, or intended to cause arousal (if it did, the person aroused by it needs help).
Therefore, from your own responses, and contradicting yourself merrily as you go: it is not porn.
Se now you've managed to confuse me... Maybe it's because I'm tired or perhaps we are argueing the same point in the long run I dont know. My statement was in response the statement by Yamato of "Because sex is not part of human society." .. which he replied to me that he was joking.. and somehow steamrolled into this... so I'm confused... which granted is easy.... but..
Sex is everywhere.. call it porn call it sex, call it love making... I dont care if its implied or not.. and I dont care that it exists, it doesnt bother me. Uhm, what were we talking about... Forget it.. I'm getting more coffee.
When you have sexual intercourse, with whoever, do you consider yourself making porn?
Because the distinction is quite easy. Porn is depicting sex with the intent to raise sexual arrousal where as sex is just engaging in sexual intercourse.
You dont even have to depict a full sexual intercourse for it being porn. All that matters is the intent to raise sexual arrousal and if the creators of this game, and whoever else, thinks that depicting two, young sexually attractive females, rolling around in the ground kissing each other, will NOT cause sexual arrousal on most young males, you are seriously deluded.
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Then don't play them, majority of games have no porn in them. You want to have a perfect black & white world, uniformed everything to meet your requests. You really should wake up by now.
I am not playing that game but so what? I thought this was the news discussion on MMORPG.COM and not Dragons Age Origins forum.
And it has nothing to do with black and white but rather that I want to keep things seperated. When I eat burger I want to eat a burger and not a mix of burger and pizza. That is for me personally.
For parents I can imagine people not wanting to subject their children to such things. You may want to, heck show a hardcore porn movie for your kids if you want, but others might not want to.
Honestly, if I'd be a parent I would never let my teenage kids play a game rated M 18+.
It has everything to do with black & white view. You want to eat burger and not a mix of burger and pizza, which is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't you then eat just a meat if you want meat and a bread if you want a bread. Burger is already a mix of meat, bread, ketchup whatever... You just cut the stage you liked the most.
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The writer picked the gay sex out of everything the game contained. I found it a horribly sad move. What about the prostitution? Hell you can literally screw a demon in DA:O. I just found it distasteful, not to mention how they referred to it.
I DON'T play games for the sex, however if it is there I don't have a problem with it. I can deal with sexual material. It's not a problem to me, even if It was, I would acknowledge the sex scene or the romance line was skipable
Actually in DA:O it is a romance quest line, this is what I was referring to. Romance lines are in both DA:O and ME. You wouldn't know because you probably never played either one. I'm sorry you are ignorant on the subject.
Please don't drag this tired excuse into the fray. If I as a parent am too lazy to know what games my kids are playing then I have no right to complain that Jr might encounter a pixel labia somewhere in the midst of a video game.
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You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
Really? So all these right wing republican's in the U.S who are anti-gay and dont want to 'god forbid!' teach the youth how to use a condom.. arent trying to impose thier social rules AND religious views on the public? What the hell ever happened to separation of church and state.
I don't F. care how it is in USA, it's not an ultimate rule that applies to every other country.
In fact, almost every country in Europe - liberal parties are usually those that impose the most restrictions. Our Slovakian liberal social democratic government just MADE a F. law that every child in high school will need to sing our anthem every day in the morning when the teacher comes in. Opposition here, is right wing party that actually wants to allow homosexuals to have a marriage. I can give you examples like that almost in every country in Europe. As I said, social liberalism & conservativism has nothing to do whether it's a right wing or left wing party.
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What I find about as funny as it is pathetic is corporate greed trying to milk dry its playerbase by sad attempts to boost their sales.
People play RPG's for the game, not to have sex and nudity. But just because Oblivious/Fallout3 nude patches are the most downloaded content on Fileplanet doesn't mean developers should stoop down to such a pathetic level that they feel they have to stick in as much shocking filler as possible.
It's pathetic, because instead of making the game more fun as a RPG, they WASTED all this time adding in this senseless crap. For every extra drop of blood and naked boob, that's another feature gone from the actual gameplay.
And I'm sorry if I want my RPG's to focus on being a good RPG and not being a mix between RPG and Pornography/Gore.
I watch pornography to watch pornography. I watch scary movies to see gore. I play RPG's to play RPG's.
I don't want them mixed, because then they become dilluted and lose focus on what really matters. If corporations put in half the effort and money it took to advertise half-naked women, prostitutes, drugs, and needless gore- we would have more MMORPG's like WoW and less like [insert recent failure MMO].
Focus. Focus. Focus. If I want sex, I'll go have sex. If I want to see naked women, I will go see content 10000x better than pixelated boobs. I want to slay a dragon in Dragon Age, not have lesbian pixel sex. If I want both, I'll look at boobs and afterwards slay a dragon, using two different games/websites.
That's why I find it pathetic and stupid. That's why I'm against this sort of filth. Keep my games clean (focused on GAMEPLAY) and keep my sex filthy. Don't try to make the former dirty or the latter cleaner.
Please don't drag this tired excuse into the fray. If I as a parent am too lazy to know what games my kids are playing then I have no right to complain that Jr might encounter a pixel labia somewhere in the midst of a video game.
It's funny how many parents don't stop their children from watching violence from an early age, but raise hell if a nipple is shown. Society has some messed up priorities.
What I find about as funny as it is pathetic is corporate greed trying to milk dry its playerbase by sad attempts to boost their sales.
People play RPG's for the game, not to have sex and nudity. But just because Oblivious/Fallout3 nude patches are the most downloaded content on Fileplanet doesn't mean developers should stoop down to such a pathetic level that they feel they have to stick in as much shocking filler as possible.
It's pathetic, because instead of making the game more fun as a RPG, they WASTED all this time adding in this senseless crap. For every extra drop of blood and naked boob, that's another feature gone from the actual gameplay.
And I'm sorry if I want my RPG's to focus on being a good RPG and not being a mix between RPG and Pornography/Gore.
I watch pornography to watch pornography. I watch scary movies to see gore. I play RPG's to play RPG's.
I don't want them mixed, because then they become dilluted and lose focus on what really matters. If corporations put in half the effort and money it took to advertise half-naked women, prostitutes, drugs, and needless gore- we would have more MMORPG's like WoW and less like [insert recent failure MMO].
Focus. Focus. Focus. If I want sex, I'll go have sex. If I want to see naked women, I will go see content 10000x better than pixelated boobs. I want to slay a dragon in Dragon Age, not have lesbian pixel sex. If I want both, I'll look at boobs and afterwards slay a dragon, using two different games/websites.
That's why I find it pathetic and stupid. That's why I'm against this sort of filth. Keep my games clean (focused on GAMEPLAY) and keep my sex filthy. Don't try to make the former dirty or the latter cleaner.
It's not shock filler. It's not even shocking. If you can't handle it find another game. The game was called a "Dark Fantasy" which then went on to carry a M rating telling you what the game had. Every game does this. If you was shocked it's because you're a damned idiot.
EDIT: nevermind you're just another guy that didn't play the game. DA:O was about 30 min worth of Romance lines. While it had over 160h of actual RPG. And not one tit was shown. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
I play DA:O and enjoy it greatly. I am looking at the cover right now and right there on the front is a black "M" for mature. As I am an adult ( 36) I actually look for this rating for two reasons: my young children ( to keep away from them) and for myself ( to see if I am interested in playing it). I don't buy video games for the "sex scenes" (implied or not), sex is not new in any industry, it sells in almost any application anywhere. "Sex scenes" are usually (and hopefully) just one small aspect of a good mature game. So the bottom line is: Parent your kids, it's your job, and surprise! once again sex in the entertainment industry sells a lot and fast!
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