No MMORPG ever is worth pre-ordering unless you have tested/played the game before it is released atleast in my opinion. No matter what IP or what name it might carry, again in my personal opinion.
So in short pre-order it when you have gotten a feel from playing/testing it yourself.
No MMORPG ever is worth pre-ordering unless you have tested/played the game before it is released atleast in my opinion. No matter what IP or what name it might carry, again in my personal opinion. So in short pre-order it when you have gotten a feel from playing/testing it yourself.
^^Words of wisdom.
If you are really unsure of it, dont preorder.
Best to have tried it before taking the plunge with any MMO.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
if you never try new things youll never know what youve missed, er wait thats no good, i never tried daoc when it was in its hayday and i regret that. i say try it if it peaks an interest, worst case scenario you dont keep a sub on it, best case you found a new game to love. if youre so broke that 50 bucks is out of the question to waste, then pc gaming aint your hobby.
I like MMOs and i like star trek a lot so it makes sense to get it.
I know that it may fail, but i have many MMOs on my shelf that have either failed or i dont just play so one more wont be too bad i guess. I also have a lot of single player games that i have played for less than a month on my shelf as well.
I can also live with a new MMOs problems and can see pass small bugs etc, so long as the core game play is solid than that is enough for me.
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
LOTRO and DDO dont lack players...
I cant help but get the impression Cryptic are releasing these rushed out, shallow, buggy games simply to make lots of money through box sales with whatever subscriptions they can get as a nice bonus. Theyre easily the worst culprit for what youre saying with "just because" and with the Star Trek license its a guarenteed money maker.
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
That is a nice conspircy theroy.
The manager's of Cryptic all sat down togehter and decided "lets scam these star trek suckers, they will buy the game in any condition that we release it in so lets make as much money out of release as possible and then shut down our studios"
Of course you must be incredibly naivie to believe that nonsense. And you seem not to know much about the MMO business or how things work in the real world. Which is a shame, as i assume that you will not be buying it on release,
I am just relieved that not all players are like you otherwise there would be no MMOs at all, just single player console games that work flawlessly on release....................
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
Can you give us an update as to what mess the game is in at the moment?
I have a few guild mates who have started the beta and who are staying tight lipped but perhaps you can shed some light on the condition or lack there of as you seem to be informed.
Can you give us an update as to what mess the game is in at the moment? I have a few guild mates who have started the beta and who are staying tight lipped but perhaps you can shed some light on the condition or lack there of as you seem to be informed.
What I find most funny is all these people stating the game is this way or that way when they haven't even officially launched and are still adding stuff to the game. Wait till open beta, then you'll have a fair idea of what it'll be on launch day.
*Hands Blurr a [Crystal Balll of Baseless Assumptions]*
I could have sworn they handed these out to every member of the MMORPG community.... Guess you never got one...
They are quite handy in making guesses and pulling BS numbers and theories out of thin air :P
Anyway I agree with you.
You always have the MMO fortune tellers who can nail a games future as well as Miss Cleo could predict winning lottery numbers. Then you have the ones who claim to be testers, who dont announce themselves as testers but try to give 'subtle hint' that they are infact testers, who are only out to try to speak the truth of the state of a game. And sadly they are often more wrong than they are right.
I always loved those who know a games fate while the game is still in beta. Could they be right once the game launches? Possibly, but its like flipping a coin - 50% chance always.
Some people will like it, some will hate it, but the game will end up going on for a while and will find its playerbase as many other games have done. I look at it as a break from playing the tired 'Whack an Elf' games that seem to dominate the genre. It wont be the best game ever but surely not the worst I have ever played.
Again if the game sucks in beta, it'll suck at launch cause the game has all the features and foundations set in place. It takes more than a few bugs that are fixed in beta to improve a game. For example the world design can't change now, the combat can't change and nore can the UI.... you know all the major things that make or break a game are now set in stone.
I get pissed off with the people that say "It's only in beta"........ EVERY mmorpg launched in the past that sucked the fanbois used this excuse and the games never improved.
Problem is most of the issues that people bring up about a game in beta are almost always issues based on preferences and not actual game breaking problems. Game breaking issues are the ones you see posted with little to no arguments within a thread. Some people complain that things such as " The UI is horrible and will make the game fail - dont buy" or "Character/World design is weird/lame - dont buy". Those are examples of preference and are almost a majority of 'game killing issues' that people like to complain about. Other 'game killing' issues tend to be Colors, Art Style, Animations, The steps needed to complete a basic function (ie: I had to click 'loot' then click 'Take All' instead of having an auto loot option...) Again, these are of preference. You might not like the UI layout because its hard for you to figure out, but I like it and find it functional.
Bugs and content wholes would be more game breaking than UI and World design, unless the UI or World design prevents you from being able to play. Things that prevent you from playing the game are (bugs and broken content and falling through stuff) are game breakers that everyone can agree on. Ugly UI, Poor color pallet and odd stylings for things like trees are not. And sadly its the latter that most people use as reasons of fail.
I will agree with you that "Its only in beta" does cause a lot of people to let their gaurd down when it comes to a product in development, basically making them more accepting of problems in hopes that they will be fixed. But a lot of the hate generated toward a game in developement is usually by people who either really never had any interest in the game to begin with or are jaded that the game they created in their mind isnt the same game they are seeing on the screen. Thats where most of these doom/gloom posts come from.
Exactly, so many people had been hating on the game before even playing it, based on rumours coming out of early beta. By all accounts, they're still making vast and very welcome changes to exactly the things that people were nitpicking. If you have major issues with the basic fundamentals of the game, sure, but the complaining most people seem to have is to do with things like UI and balance that are still being worked on and can easily be fixed before launch.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Exactly, so many people had been hating on the game before even playing it, based on rumours coming out of early beta. By all accounts, they're still making vast and very welcome changes to exactly the things that people were nitpicking. If you have major issues with the basic fundamentals of the game, sure, but the complaining most people seem to have is to do with things like UI and balance that are still being worked on and can easily be fixed before launch.
And so what if they are not fixed before launch, so long as the core game play is solid then the game will flourish.
Look at AoC and it's release and its current state, it is a success now and an expansion is imminent.
Look at WAR that released far better than AoC and is now almost dead due to poor core game play issues(two sided RvR failed).
Games like AoC and STOL will never be mainstream games like WoW and were not planned or meant to be and although it would be nice to have a fully functioning, content rich game on release, it is not gonna happen now or in the next 5 years of game releases.
The choice is simple, if you want a fully functioning content rich MMO game then wait for Blizzard to release their next MMO, or wait a few months until after release of any other MMO.
We all know this already if you don't then you know now..............................
Its not a conspiracy, and its not a theory just look at Champions online. They may not say "lets scam people" but they certainly do say "lets release it anyway"
Then look at ANY mmo thats been released in the past 3 years... all of them broken at release.
Its an accepted fact of this industry now, everyone "Expects" the game to be buggy, laggy, unbalanced and just plain rubbish at release. Then everyone just goes back to WoW seething with anger at how they have been 'stung'
Server merges within the first 3 months for both AoC and Warhammer... Tabula Rasa, Closed within a year, DDO gone free2play. Aion - Grind fest, lacks content, lost 90% of subs after first month..
Can you give us an update as to what mess the game is in at the moment? I have a few guild mates who have started the beta and who are staying tight lipped but perhaps you can shed some light on the condition or lack there of as you seem to be informed.
Its not a conspiracy, and its not a theory just look at Champions online. They may not say "lets scam people" but they certainly do say "lets release it anyway"
Then look at ANY mmo thats been released in the past 3 years... all of them broken at release.
Its an accepted fact of this industry now, everyone "Expects" the game to be buggy, laggy, unbalanced and just plain rubbish at release. Then everyone just goes back to WoW seething with anger at how they have been 'stung' Server merges within the first 3 months for both AoC and Warhammer... Tabula Rasa, Closed within a year, DDO gone free2play. Aion - Grind fest, lacks content, lost 90% of subs after first month..
I could go on.
Yes but why do they release games like that?
The fact that it happens to many different producers must point to a set of circumstances that affects them all and it seems to be beyond their control.
For us to stand and shout that we want the games to be better on release (or refuse to buy them)will not make the problems they face go away.
Can you give us an update as to what mess the game is in at the moment? I have a few guild mates who have started the beta and who are staying tight lipped but perhaps you can shed some light on the condition or lack there of as you seem to be informed.
Please do, I only linked the third part which admitatly was the most damning part. But the other 2 parts dont do it much justice either, after reading the first part I knew I wouldnt play it... only 3 types of weapons to pick from?... missions involve either shooting or scanning?.... very drab.
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
That is a nice conspircy theroy.
The manager's of Cryptic all sat down togehter and decided "lets scam these star trek suckers, they will buy the game in any condition that we release it in so lets make as much money out of release as possible and then shut down our studios"
Of course you must be incredibly naivie to believe that nonsense. And you seem not to know much about the MMO business or how things work in the real world. Which is a shame, as i assume that you will not be buying it on release,
I am just relieved that not all players are like you otherwise there would be no MMOs at all, just single player console games that work flawlessly on release....................
I think you must be incredibly naive if you don't think that developers/publishers/investors don't take into account that players will accept a certain amount of broken/incomplete/missing content at launch when making decisions about the development process.
For us to stand and shout that we want the games to be better on release (or refuse to buy them)will not make the problems they face go away.
You've no need to stand, and you've no need to shout... all you need to do is stop spending your money foolishly.
The market is litterd with examples of games that have faced 'delayed release' dates, why do you think JumpGate Evo is not released yet?
But some dev studio's just release no matter what, subjecting their paying customers to what is essentially a field test.
I am not spending my money foolishly, I am realistic and know that a massive piece of software like an MMO needs pre-longed engineering to get it perfect(which ofc is a target), look at WinXP still getting updates now.
Again i ask you why do some studios release no matter what?
I myself do not know the problems they face, but i do know they are not out to scam the players, they make genuine efforts to produce quality games for us and so i support them where i can for the progression of the genre, whereas as i said before, if it were only people like you there would be no MMOs around anymore..
You think that when Jump gate releases that it will be perfect becuase they have delayed for so long? Think again my friend.
That is a nice conspircy theroy. The manager's of Cryptic all sat down togehter and decided "lets scam these star trek suckers, they will buy the game in any condition that we release it in so lets make as much money out of release as possible and then shut down our studios" Of course you must be incredibly naivie to believe that nonsense. And you seem not to know much about the MMO business or how things work in the real world. Which is a shame, as i assume that you will not be buying it on release, I am just relieved that not all players are like you otherwise there would be no MMOs at all, just single player console games that work flawlessly on release....................
I think you must be incredibly naive if you don't think that developers/publishers/investors don't take into account that players will accept a certain amount of broken/incomplete/missing content at launch when making decisions about the development process.
Come on man stop being silly and read and understand the whole post.
Ofc there is a certain state that must be reached before software can be released but there is nothing cynical or underhand about it.
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
That is a nice conspircy theroy.
The manager's of Cryptic all sat down togehter and decided "lets scam these star trek suckers, they will buy the game in any condition that we release it in so lets make as much money out of release as possible and then shut down our studios"
Of course you must be incredibly naivie to believe that nonsense. And you seem not to know much about the MMO business or how things work in the real world. Which is a shame, as i assume that you will not be buying it on release,
I am just relieved that not all players are like you otherwise there would be no MMOs at all, just single player console games that work flawlessly on release....................
I think you must be incredibly naive if you don't think that developers/publishers/investors don't take into account that players will accept a certain amount of broken/incomplete/missing content at launch when making decisions about the development process.
Come on man stop being silly and read and understand the whole post.
Ofc there is a certain state that must be reached before software can be released but there is nothing cynical or underhand about it.
I think its cynical and underhanded to sell a product with deliberate shortcomings because you know your customers will accept it.
Come on man stop being silly and read and understand the whole post. Ofc there is a certain state that must be reached before software can be released but there is nothing cynical or underhand about it.
I think its cynical and underhanded to sell a product with deliberate shortcomings because you know your customers will accept it.
They are not deliberate shortcomings they are unavoidable, otherwise they would not release it meh!
And don't start to argue that they are avoidable unless you can say why they release like that in the first place thanks,.
Can you give us an update as to what mess the game is in at the moment? I have a few guild mates who have started the beta and who are staying tight lipped but perhaps you can shed some light on the condition or lack there of as you seem to be informed.
No thats not what I wanted, I would like direct info from your beta play please, if thats at all possible.
As for Cryptic, well I played all their games and never felt ripped off/scammed or cheated, I got what I paid for.
I no longer play their games though as they are as shallow as every other MMO out there, I think only LOTRO has been able to give me a more immersive gaming experience.
For us to stand and shout that we want the games to be better on release (or refuse to buy them)will not make the problems they face go away.
You've no need to stand, and you've no need to shout... all you need to do is stop spending your money foolishly.
The market is litterd with examples of games that have faced 'delayed release' dates, why do you think JumpGate Evo is not released yet?
But some dev studio's just release no matter what, subjecting their paying customers to what is essentially a field test.
I think most of us will accept a buggy, unfinished product as long as we can log in and level our toons, and have a reasonable expectation that the games health will get better. Yeah, we'll whine on the boards about this and that being unfinished and this and that bug, but we (the overwhelming majority of the gaming community) would rather be leveling than waiting for a delayed release.
Come on man stop being silly and read and understand the whole post. Ofc there is a certain state that must be reached before software can be released but there is nothing cynical or underhand about it.
I think its cynical and underhanded to sell a product with deliberate shortcomings because you know your customers will accept it.
They are not deliberate shortcomings they are unavoidable, otherwise they would not release it meh!
And don't start to argue that they are avoidable unless you can say why they release like that in the first place thanks,.
Games don't need to be perfect. Of course there will be bugs. That is understandable. But as I said, when a game launches with missing/incomplete content or gimped game dynamics because the decision was made to launch in order to either beat another game to market or because funding is running low so they need to sell some boxes, that decision is helped by the companies knowing gamers to a certain degree will accept that kind of launch.
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No MMORPG ever is worth pre-ordering unless you have tested/played the game before it is released atleast in my opinion. No matter what IP or what name it might carry, again in my personal opinion.
So in short pre-order it when you have gotten a feel from playing/testing it yourself.
^^Words of wisdom.
If you are really unsure of it, dont preorder.
Best to have tried it before taking the plunge with any MMO.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
if you never try new things youll never know what youve missed, er wait thats no good, i never tried daoc when it was in its hayday and i regret that. i say try it if it peaks an interest, worst case scenario you dont keep a sub on it, best case you found a new game to love. if youre so broke that 50 bucks is out of the question to waste, then pc gaming aint your hobby.
Its not just about trying a game that you've never tried before. Its about trying a NEW MMO thats only just been released!
Now cmon, when was the last MMO that had a successfull launch?... never!
It will be full of bugs, incomplete, unbalanced...
So to the question of 'Get it or not' the answer HAS to be... Not yet.
Just pre-ordered from Amazon.co uk.
I like MMOs and i like star trek a lot so it makes sense to get it.
I know that it may fail, but i have many MMOs on my shelf that have either failed or i dont just play so one more wont be too bad i guess. I also have a lot of single player games that i have played for less than a month on my shelf as well.
I can also live with a new MMOs problems and can see pass small bugs etc, so long as the core game play is solid than that is enough for me.
I do beleive that there are many like me out there, that play MMOs and like star trek, and for us there is no choice than to get it..............Whether it will be a success ot not is a different matter.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
LOTRO and DDO dont lack players...
I cant help but get the impression Cryptic are releasing these rushed out, shallow, buggy games simply to make lots of money through box sales with whatever subscriptions they can get as a nice bonus. Theyre easily the worst culprit for what youre saying with "just because" and with the Star Trek license its a guarenteed money maker.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
That is a nice conspircy theroy.
The manager's of Cryptic all sat down togehter and decided "lets scam these star trek suckers, they will buy the game in any condition that we release it in so lets make as much money out of release as possible and then shut down our studios"
Of course you must be incredibly naivie to believe that nonsense. And you seem not to know much about the MMO business or how things work in the real world. Which is a shame, as i assume that you will not be buying it on release,
I am just relieved that not all players are like you otherwise there would be no MMOs at all, just single player console games that work flawlessly on release....................
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
Can you give us an update as to what mess the game is in at the moment?
I have a few guild mates who have started the beta and who are staying tight lipped but perhaps you can shed some light on the condition or lack there of as you seem to be informed.
Of course...
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3877/Star-Trek-Online-Preview-Part-Three.html
And if you need more convincing about Cryptic Studio's and their abilities read this:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/264991/page/1
*Hands Blurr a [Crystal Balll of Baseless Assumptions]*
I could have sworn they handed these out to every member of the MMORPG community.... Guess you never got one...
They are quite handy in making guesses and pulling BS numbers and theories out of thin air :P
Anyway I agree with you.
You always have the MMO fortune tellers who can nail a games future as well as Miss Cleo could predict winning lottery numbers. Then you have the ones who claim to be testers, who dont announce themselves as testers but try to give 'subtle hint' that they are infact testers, who are only out to try to speak the truth of the state of a game. And sadly they are often more wrong than they are right.
I always loved those who know a games fate while the game is still in beta. Could they be right once the game launches? Possibly, but its like flipping a coin - 50% chance always.
Some people will like it, some will hate it, but the game will end up going on for a while and will find its playerbase as many other games have done. I look at it as a break from playing the tired 'Whack an Elf' games that seem to dominate the genre. It wont be the best game ever but surely not the worst I have ever played.
Again if the game sucks in beta, it'll suck at launch cause the game has all the features and foundations set in place. It takes more than a few bugs that are fixed in beta to improve a game. For example the world design can't change now, the combat can't change and nore can the UI.... you know all the major things that make or break a game are now set in stone.
I get pissed off with the people that say "It's only in beta"........ EVERY mmorpg launched in the past that sucked the fanbois used this excuse and the games never improved.
Problem is most of the issues that people bring up about a game in beta are almost always issues based on preferences and not actual game breaking problems. Game breaking issues are the ones you see posted with little to no arguments within a thread. Some people complain that things such as " The UI is horrible and will make the game fail - dont buy" or "Character/World design is weird/lame - dont buy". Those are examples of preference and are almost a majority of 'game killing issues' that people like to complain about. Other 'game killing' issues tend to be Colors, Art Style, Animations, The steps needed to complete a basic function (ie: I had to click 'loot' then click 'Take All' instead of having an auto loot option...) Again, these are of preference. You might not like the UI layout because its hard for you to figure out, but I like it and find it functional.
Bugs and content wholes would be more game breaking than UI and World design, unless the UI or World design prevents you from being able to play. Things that prevent you from playing the game are (bugs and broken content and falling through stuff) are game breakers that everyone can agree on. Ugly UI, Poor color pallet and odd stylings for things like trees are not. And sadly its the latter that most people use as reasons of fail.
I will agree with you that "Its only in beta" does cause a lot of people to let their gaurd down when it comes to a product in development, basically making them more accepting of problems in hopes that they will be fixed. But a lot of the hate generated toward a game in developement is usually by people who either really never had any interest in the game to begin with or are jaded that the game they created in their mind isnt the same game they are seeing on the screen. Thats where most of these doom/gloom posts come from.
Exactly, so many people had been hating on the game before even playing it, based on rumours coming out of early beta. By all accounts, they're still making vast and very welcome changes to exactly the things that people were nitpicking. If you have major issues with the basic fundamentals of the game, sure, but the complaining most people seem to have is to do with things like UI and balance that are still being worked on and can easily be fixed before launch.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
And so what if they are not fixed before launch, so long as the core game play is solid then the game will flourish.
Look at AoC and it's release and its current state, it is a success now and an expansion is imminent.
Look at WAR that released far better than AoC and is now almost dead due to poor core game play issues(two sided RvR failed).
Games like AoC and STOL will never be mainstream games like WoW and were not planned or meant to be and although it would be nice to have a fully functioning, content rich game on release, it is not gonna happen now or in the next 5 years of game releases.
The choice is simple, if you want a fully functioning content rich MMO game then wait for Blizzard to release their next MMO, or wait a few months until after release of any other MMO.
We all know this already if you don't then you know now..............................
That is a nice conspircy theroy.
Its not a conspiracy, and its not a theory just look at Champions online. They may not say "lets scam people" but they certainly do say "lets release it anyway"
Then look at ANY mmo thats been released in the past 3 years... all of them broken at release.
Its an accepted fact of this industry now, everyone "Expects" the game to be buggy, laggy, unbalanced and just plain rubbish at release. Then everyone just goes back to WoW seething with anger at how they have been 'stung'
Server merges within the first 3 months for both AoC and Warhammer... Tabula Rasa, Closed within a year, DDO gone free2play. Aion - Grind fest, lacks content, lost 90% of subs after first month..
I could go on.
Of course...
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3877/Star-Trek-Online-Preview-Part-Three.html
And if you need more convincing about Cryptic Studio's and their abilities read this:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/264991/page/1
Naturally you only show a small part of what MMORPG.COM said about the game. For those that want the complete preview..
See this thread
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Yes but why do they release games like that?
The fact that it happens to many different producers must point to a set of circumstances that affects them all and it seems to be beyond their control.
For us to stand and shout that we want the games to be better on release (or refuse to buy them)will not make the problems they face go away.
Of course...
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3877/Star-Trek-Online-Preview-Part-Three.html
And if you need more convincing about Cryptic Studio's and their abilities read this:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/264991/page/1
Naturally you only show a small part of what MMORPG.COM said about the game. For those that want the complete preview..
See this thread
Please do, I only linked the third part which admitatly was the most damning part. But the other 2 parts dont do it much justice either, after reading the first part I knew I wouldnt play it... only 3 types of weapons to pick from?... missions involve either shooting or scanning?.... very drab.
For us to stand and shout that we want the games to be better on release (or refuse to buy them)will not make the problems they face go away.
You've no need to stand, and you've no need to shout... all you need to do is stop spending your money foolishly.
The market is litterd with examples of games that have faced 'delayed release' dates, why do you think JumpGate Evo is not released yet?
But some dev studio's just release no matter what, subjecting their paying customers to what is essentially a field test.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
That is a nice conspircy theroy.
The manager's of Cryptic all sat down togehter and decided "lets scam these star trek suckers, they will buy the game in any condition that we release it in so lets make as much money out of release as possible and then shut down our studios"
Of course you must be incredibly naivie to believe that nonsense. And you seem not to know much about the MMO business or how things work in the real world. Which is a shame, as i assume that you will not be buying it on release,
I am just relieved that not all players are like you otherwise there would be no MMOs at all, just single player console games that work flawlessly on release....................
I think you must be incredibly naive if you don't think that developers/publishers/investors don't take into account that players will accept a certain amount of broken/incomplete/missing content at launch when making decisions about the development process.
You've no need to stand, and you've no need to shout... all you need to do is stop spending your money foolishly.
The market is litterd with examples of games that have faced 'delayed release' dates, why do you think JumpGate Evo is not released yet?
But some dev studio's just release no matter what, subjecting their paying customers to what is essentially a field test.
I am not spending my money foolishly, I am realistic and know that a massive piece of software like an MMO needs pre-longed engineering to get it perfect(which ofc is a target), look at WinXP still getting updates now.
Again i ask you why do some studios release no matter what?
I myself do not know the problems they face, but i do know they are not out to scam the players, they make genuine efforts to produce quality games for us and so i support them where i can for the progression of the genre, whereas as i said before, if it were only people like you there would be no MMOs around anymore..
You think that when Jump gate releases that it will be perfect becuase they have delayed for so long? Think again my friend.
I think you must be incredibly naive if you don't think that developers/publishers/investors don't take into account that players will accept a certain amount of broken/incomplete/missing content at launch when making decisions about the development process.
Come on man stop being silly and read and understand the whole post.
Ofc there is a certain state that must be reached before software can be released but there is nothing cynical or underhand about it.
You are right.
People will buy it "just because"... Unfortunatly the problem with that is that Developers will continue to abuse that fact.
Cryptic know damn well that people will buy it no matter what mess its in.
There are many MMO's out there that I Love!.. but their problem is that since they had such a bad release noone plays them! Vangaurd for example. One of the best fantasy MMO's ever, in my opinion, but because they had such a bad release virtually noone plays it, and noone will play it.
Same with LOTRO and DDO, great games that just lack players.
Developers need to learn that a game must be WORKING at release, and while there are players like you about it just wont happen.
That is a nice conspircy theroy.
The manager's of Cryptic all sat down togehter and decided "lets scam these star trek suckers, they will buy the game in any condition that we release it in so lets make as much money out of release as possible and then shut down our studios"
Of course you must be incredibly naivie to believe that nonsense. And you seem not to know much about the MMO business or how things work in the real world. Which is a shame, as i assume that you will not be buying it on release,
I am just relieved that not all players are like you otherwise there would be no MMOs at all, just single player console games that work flawlessly on release....................
I think you must be incredibly naive if you don't think that developers/publishers/investors don't take into account that players will accept a certain amount of broken/incomplete/missing content at launch when making decisions about the development process.
Come on man stop being silly and read and understand the whole post.
Ofc there is a certain state that must be reached before software can be released but there is nothing cynical or underhand about it.
I think its cynical and underhanded to sell a product with deliberate shortcomings because you know your customers will accept it.
I think its cynical and underhanded to sell a product with deliberate shortcomings because you know your customers will accept it.
They are not deliberate shortcomings they are unavoidable, otherwise they would not release it meh!
And don't start to argue that they are avoidable unless you can say why they release like that in the first place thanks,.
Of course...
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3877/Star-Trek-Online-Preview-Part-Three.html
And if you need more convincing about Cryptic Studio's and their abilities read this:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/264991/page/1
No thats not what I wanted, I would like direct info from your beta play please, if thats at all possible.
As for Cryptic, well I played all their games and never felt ripped off/scammed or cheated, I got what I paid for.
I no longer play their games though as they are as shallow as every other MMO out there, I think only LOTRO has been able to give me a more immersive gaming experience.
For us to stand and shout that we want the games to be better on release (or refuse to buy them)will not make the problems they face go away.
You've no need to stand, and you've no need to shout... all you need to do is stop spending your money foolishly.
The market is litterd with examples of games that have faced 'delayed release' dates, why do you think JumpGate Evo is not released yet?
But some dev studio's just release no matter what, subjecting their paying customers to what is essentially a field test.
I think most of us will accept a buggy, unfinished product as long as we can log in and level our toons, and have a reasonable expectation that the games health will get better. Yeah, we'll whine on the boards about this and that being unfinished and this and that bug, but we (the overwhelming majority of the gaming community) would rather be leveling than waiting for a delayed release.
I think its cynical and underhanded to sell a product with deliberate shortcomings because you know your customers will accept it.
They are not deliberate shortcomings they are unavoidable, otherwise they would not release it meh!
And don't start to argue that they are avoidable unless you can say why they release like that in the first place thanks,.
Games don't need to be perfect. Of course there will be bugs. That is understandable. But as I said, when a game launches with missing/incomplete content or gimped game dynamics because the decision was made to launch in order to either beat another game to market or because funding is running low so they need to sell some boxes, that decision is helped by the companies knowing gamers to a certain degree will accept that kind of launch.