Henrik, MO's CEO, takes a swipe at Darkfall. Says MO's launch will be better than Darkfall's

osmunda

Originally posted by prow


Seems henrik thinks that Mortal Online's launch will be better than darkfall's launch
www.mortalonline.com/forums/29828-did-anyone-copy-irc-chat-henrik.html#post657579
[14:58] <inferno> henrik, if its released this month it will be worse off than darkfall's release :- do you not see that?

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> well, we all have to understand what we are trying to give the gamers here, a unique sandbox game, which no major company will create, if ppl like it, then we should look at it instead of whining comparing to wow features etc, and wow quality, thats impossible at release even months in the game dev

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> inferono, now thats impossible I was there with DFO release

 

Really this just illustrates one of the dangers of devs interacting with their community.  Henrik did not bring up Darkfall, Inferno did.  Once the question has been asked, there is no really good way to respond.  If the question was ignored or he (Henrik) gave a non-answer type of answer that would be taken as confirmation.  Obviously, he can't say their launch will be worse than Darkfall's or equally bad.  For many of the people supporting Starvault, the extent to which the devs interact with the community is one of their more important virtues, and don't mind the "politically incorrect" moments that result.

gotha

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by prow


Seems henrik thinks that Mortal Online's launch will be better than darkfall's launch
www.mortalonline.com/forums/29828-did-anyone-copy-irc-chat-henrik.html#post657579
[14:58] <inferno> henrik, if its released this month it will be worse off than darkfall's release :- do you not see that?

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> well, we all have to understand what we are trying to give the gamers here, a unique sandbox game, which no major company will create, if ppl like it, then we should look at it instead of whining comparing to wow features etc, and wow quality, thats impossible at release even months in the game dev

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> inferono, now thats impossible I was there with DFO release

 

Really this just illustrates one of the dangers of devs interacting with their community.  Henrik did not bring up Darkfall, Inferno did.  Once the question has been asked, there is no really good way to respond.  If the question was ignored or he (Henrik) gave a non-answer type of answer that would be taken as confirmation.  Obviously, he can't say their launch will be worse than Darkfall's or equally bad.  For many of the people supporting Starvault, the extent to which the devs interact with the community is one of their more important virtues, and don't mind the "politically incorrect" moments that result.

 

The best answer would of been.

"we are working hard to make sure launch goes as smooth as possible"

The follow it up.

"MO is a unique game i do not want to contribute to the fanboi pissing contest.  Both MO and DF are fun and unique games I hope we both do well to provide players with other alternatives to the theme park games"

 

 

osmunda

Originally posted by gotha

 
The best answer would of been.
"we are working hard to make sure launch goes as smooth as possible"
The follow it up.
"MO is a unique game i do not want to contribute to the fanboi pissing contest.  Both MO and DF are fun and unique games I hope we both do well to provide players with other alternatives to the theme park games"
 
 

 

That is certainly the most diplomatic answer and in many ways is the best answer.  In all likelihood, some people would latch onto that answer to show that developers have no confidence in the game and expect the launch to be at least as bad as Darkfall.   To some extent, answering the question was a no win situation.

My point was, his statement was not a gratuitous swipe at Darkfall, just an answer to a question.  He didn't say that Darkfall was a bad game, just that they expect launch to go more smoothly than Darkfall's did.  Just by selling the first 8k -10k accounts they've already cleared one of hurdles that Darkfall stumbled on.

kanechart

I'm sorry but i play and paid for both games and I can tell you MO launch is not going be stable at first as its barly stable with 50-100 on its always crashing. I love and will play both maybe not MO right away since it needs time to mature like DF did.

Also MO and DF sort of 2 diff games not even a lot of common stuff besides being fps full loot drop like skill system and pvp system and punishment system and death system is so diff that and any MO player will say DF has good pve vs mo and I already though DF had the worst pve :P

rlmccoy1987

Originally posted by kanechart


I'm sorry but i play and paid for both games and I can tell you MO launch is not going be stable at first as its barly stable with 50-100 on its always crashing. I love and will play both maybe not MO right away since it needs time to mature like DF did.
Also MO and DF sort of 2 diff games not even a lot of common stuff besides being fps full loot drop like skill system and pvp system and punishment system and death system is so diff that and any MO player will say DF has good pve vs mo and I already though DF had the worst pve :P

 

Launch is going to be really bad.  The stress tests could not even get the server full.  Once its released, everyone that preordered is going to jump on as most are tired of playing the current alpha version with all the wipes.

ozy1

The launch for DF as i remember was some sync issues server crashing a few times, apart from that it was ok. My self i just put up with crap like that as I new it was not a big company with a load of back up.

 

However Im not sure about MO. If they have the same issues as DF then thats fine. But I think it will be more along the lines of it just not being ready for launch as in game play and combat.

 

But we will see...

seabeast

Originally posted by Wizardry


Well he has a point,DF could not even deliver the game to many people ,let alone being able to judge it.If MO can at least deliver the game on launch date to anyone who wants it,they win the launch battle right away.
Also remember DF was a game that IMO was really almost finished many years ago,unlike MO a game they are creating from scratch.I did a lot of homework on Df and read a lot of articles in the past and no question that game was suppose to launch years ago,they even took out the bank loans to launch it.
So Tasos definitely had way more than ample time to at least get the game ready for launch and still failed ,so it is really hard for anyone to top that failure.I believe MO is trying to actually finish the game,and rightfully so they deserve what ever time it takes,but when you "DO" launch the game,it had better be ready.
We also have to be fair here,IF and it is a big IF only speculation but if MO is near bankrupt ,we can't blame them for at least trying to get some kind of game out ,to pay the bills,it is either that or fold the game.I do not think any of us would just fold a game,but it is only speculation by me,we don't know how much is a rush or a forced rush or RUSH GSP 

 

Can argue with history, DF failed to deliver which put a damper on subs if you were one of the many trying to get in for weeks.

Polarisation

Originally posted by LuckyR

What was wrong with DF's launch? I was there and it ran well, got a shit load of gold together to start guild and had a blast.
If people did not get an account, that has nothing to do with the launch IMO.

Agree... DF's launch was not bad, they (Av) had WAY more demand than they could cope with, so they were forced to undersell which pissed a lot of people off. There was some instability and crashes of course, but no worse than any other MMO. DF's NA launch was flawless.

MO doesn't have anywhere near the demand nor content that DF had at release, and it's pretty damn dishonest/unprofessional for Henrick to carry on like this.

Especially after the pay-for-alpha scam they pulled.

downtoearth

Originally posted by prow


So your saying MO will win just because they will have no queues?  You do know that MO had an event where about 200 people showed up and it was reported to be unplayable and was causing the server to crash constantly.  Mortal is a joke, how can you defend it saying that it will have a better launch by opening it up to everyone that wants to get in at the same time, while the server crashes constantly?
MO's launch is going to be pretty bad, their servers will not be able to handle 300 people at the same time, don't even want to know what will happen with 10,000...

 

its already had more than 300 at same time

downtoearth

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by LuckyR


What was wrong with DF's launch? I was there and it ran well, got a shit load of gold together to start guild and had a blast.
If people did not get an account, that has nothing to do with the launch IMO.

Agree... DF's launch was not bad, they (Av) had WAY more demand than they could cope with, so they were forced to undersell which pissed a lot of people off. There was some instability and crashes of course, but no worse than any other MMO. DF's NA launch was flawless. MO doesn't have anywhere near the demand nor content that DF had at release, and it's pretty damn dishonest/unprofessional for Henrick to carry on like this. Especially after the pay-for-alpha scam they pulled.

 

me

i actully payed for the release game. it just came with an beta account. they gave enough warning on the website what it was going to be like. its not a scam until the run off with are money

downtoearth

Originally posted by MikeyReign


 It's just funny how people say MO's launch will be better then DF's but then they admit, events where MO's servers can't handle more then 200 players simultaneously, yet the launch will be better then DF's? What is this dribble about MO having half as much content, all you can do is run around naked and fight people but it's way better then DF's launch?
 
This statement  True, until proven false? Are you people realising what you are saying? A game that is nowhere close to done is going to be better then a game that was practically complete. Ok not the best launch, but the game was practically complete with barely any balance testing done true so yeah, those were some of the main issues. Darkfall needed a longer period of public testing. But that was the reason for it's bad launch, otherwise it was a good game.
 
Ok, true Darkfall's release was not the best release and quite a bad idea releasing it over a long period of time but it's a success for the market it's targeting. No game has done better so far. All of a sudden a game which seems half complete, the fanbois say may be almost bankrupt, is going to have a better launch then DF's?
I particularly like the bit where a guy says even if MO's launch is not as good as DF's at least they launched cause they needed our money and they had no more money and DF had lots of money and took it's time launching. Ok....so better to launch a half finished game to the masses not as good as a full game which didn't launch properly ..... 
Please realise what you are saying

 

run around nakid and fight people? umm no..

AlienShirt

Originally posted by prow


Seems henrik thinks that Mortal Online's launch will be better than darkfall's launch
 
www.mortalonline.com/forums/29828-did-anyone-copy-irc-chat-henrik.html#post657579
 
[14:58] <inferno> henrik, if its released this month it will be worse off than darkfall's release :- do you not see that?

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> well, we all have to understand what we are trying to give the gamers here, a unique sandbox game, which no major company will create, if ppl like it, then we should look at it instead of whining comparing to wow features etc, and wow quality, thats impossible at release even months in the game dev

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> inferono, now thats impossible I was there with DFO release

 

Maybe he was saying "now thats impossible" to fact MO will be released this month. 

Yamota

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by MiteFiend


 
I am betting, they don't do a open beta stress test, and when hundreds, if not thousands log into MO, it's going to be a laggy crash ridden launch. They already have bad lag issues when more then 50 people are in 1 spot.
On a side note, I was pretty suprised to find this trash posted on thier homepage. I mean what kind of gaming company worth thier salt would post dribble such as this? 
http://www.mortalonline.com/content/nothing-quiet-western-front
 
 

 

I don't understand why is it a bad thing that people from a gaming development team aren't tight asses. So what they screw around and have fun when they take 10 minutes to write in their blog oh noes.....

 

This just makes me think of all the posts saying nudity is bad, I mean comon unclench those ass cheeks of yours.

What do you mean with tight asses? I dont find that article funny or informative in any way. It is just a bunch of worthless drivel that is, I guess, supposed to show their kind of humour?

In any way, if I am paying money for a service I want to see the people on the other end of the service are professional, not mentally challenged geek humour and men who likes to dress like women.

Yamota

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by prow


Seems henrik thinks that Mortal Online's launch will be better than darkfall's launch
www.mortalonline.com/forums/29828-did-anyone-copy-irc-chat-henrik.html#post657579
[14:58] <inferno> henrik, if its released this month it will be worse off than darkfall's release :- do you not see that?

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> well, we all have to understand what we are trying to give the gamers here, a unique sandbox game, which no major company will create, if ppl like it, then we should look at it instead of whining comparing to wow features etc, and wow quality, thats impossible at release even months in the game dev

[14:58] <+HenrikNystrom> inferono, now thats impossible I was there with DFO release

 

Really this just illustrates one of the dangers of devs interacting with their community.  Henrik did not bring up Darkfall, Inferno did.  Once the question has been asked, there is no really good way to respond.  If the question was ignored or he (Henrik) gave a non-answer type of answer that would be taken as confirmation.  Obviously, he can't say their launch will be worse than Darkfall's or equally bad.  For many of the people supporting Starvault, the extent to which the devs interact with the community is one of their more important virtues, and don't mind the "politically incorrect" moments that result.

 

The best answer would of been.

"we are working hard to make sure launch goes as smooth as possible"

The follow it up.

"MO is a unique game i do not want to contribute to the fanboi pissing contest.  Both MO and DF are fun and unique games I hope we both do well to provide players with other alternatives to the theme park games"

 

 

That is politically correct garbage that really doesnt answer the question that was asked. I mean, ofcourse they will be working for a smooth launch but that was not what Inferno was asking.

Xerith

You can be political and still answer the question at hand...something along the lines of:

"We are striving to make our launch as smooth as possible and are using other mmo's, both past and present, in order to set a bar for ourselves and to use that bar in order to set it even higher and have a more successful launch."

That way you are in no way implying a single game but instead use the entire mmo genre as a backboard while still answering that you are looking to top your competitors launch.

rlmccoy1987

Originally posted by Xerith


You can be political and still answer the question at hand...something along the lines of:
"We are striving to make our launch as smooth as possible and are using other mmo's, both past and present, in order to set a bar for ourselves and to use that bar in order to set it even higher and have a more successful launch."
That way you are in no way implying a single game but instead use the entire mmo genre as a backboard while still answering that you are looking to top your competitors launch.

 

But he did not say it that way

Yamota

Originally posted by Xerith


You can be political and still answer the question at hand...something along the lines of:
"We are striving to make our launch as smooth as possible and are using other mmo's, both past and present, in order to set a bar for ourselves and to use that bar in order to set it even higher and have a more successful launch."
That way you are in no way implying a single game but instead use the entire mmo genre as a backboard while still answering that you are looking to top your competitors launch.

 

That is still a non-responsive answer. The question was: henrik, if its released this month it will be worse off than darkfall's release :- do you not see that?

So either he sees that, and agrees that the game is in a poor state for release, or he is deluding himself and think that the game indeed, if was released this month, be better than Darkfalls release.

Whatever they are "striving to" or whatever preverbial bar they are setting still does not answer the question if he sees that, if the game be released this month, will have a worse launch than Darkfall or not.

If he does not want to answer the question then he can use that unresponsive answer as you said but I would much rather that he would be upfront with it. Because, come release, the people will see what state it is at and then obviously compare it to Darkfalls release since they are very similar MMORPGs.

So, I prefer his more upfront and honest answer rather than political crap that will just backfire sooner or later.

Polarisation

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by LuckyR


What was wrong with DF's launch? I was there and it ran well, got a shit load of gold together to start guild and had a blast.
If people did not get an account, that has nothing to do with the launch IMO.

Agree... DF's launch was not bad, they (Av) had WAY more demand than they could cope with, so they were forced to undersell which pissed a lot of people off. There was some instability and crashes of course, but no worse than any other MMO. DF's NA launch was flawless. MO doesn't have anywhere near the demand nor content that DF had at release, and it's pretty damn dishonest/unprofessional for Henrick to carry on like this. Especially after the pay-for-alpha scam they pulled.

me

i actully payed for the release game. it just came with an beta account. they gave enough warning on the website what it was going to be like. its not a scam until the run off with are money

 

if you wanted to play the beta, you had to pay - there were no "free" beta spots. Betas are suposed to be free, since you are doing them a service by finding & reported bugs and giving feedback.

Making the MO beta pay-to-play IMO is extremely underhanded/shady. Even calling it beta was dishonest - with all the features that were missing and the lag/instability it was an alpha, not a beta, and yes I'm a professional programmer I know what beta/alpha are.

Either way it's highly unprofessional of them taking shots at other games, especially when they are so guilty themselves.

 

downtoearth

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by LuckyR


What was wrong with DF's launch? I was there and it ran well, got a shit load of gold together to start guild and had a blast.
If people did not get an account, that has nothing to do with the launch IMO.

Agree... DF's launch was not bad, they (Av) had WAY more demand than they could cope with, so they were forced to undersell which pissed a lot of people off. There was some instability and crashes of course, but no worse than any other MMO. DF's NA launch was flawless. MO doesn't have anywhere near the demand nor content that DF had at release, and it's pretty damn dishonest/unprofessional for Henrick to carry on like this. Especially after the pay-for-alpha scam they pulled.

me

i actully payed for the release game. it just came with an beta account. they gave enough warning on the website what it was going to be like. its not a scam until the run off with are money

 

if you wanted to play the beta, you had to pay - there were no "free" beta spots. Betas are suposed to be free, since you are doing them a service by finding & reported bugs and giving feedback.

Making the MO beta pay-to-play IMO is extremely underhanded/shady. Even calling it beta was dishonest - with all the features that were missing and the lag/instability it was an alpha, not a beta, and yes I'm a professional programmer I know what beta/alpha are.

Either way it's highly unprofessional of them taking shots at other games, especially when they are so guilty themselves.

 

 

just made it easyer for me to get in. i dont have luck with free beta spots. and yea he really shouldnt take shots ATM not until they have a better launch. given time Mo will be good. they also delayed it for  another month or 2

phrank

Originally posted by Polarisation


if you wanted to play the beta, you had to pay - there were no "free" beta spots. Betas are suposed to be free, since you are doing them a service by finding & reported bugs and giving feedback.
Making the MO beta pay-to-play IMO is extremely underhanded/shady. Even calling it beta was dishonest - with all the features that were missing and the lag/instability it was an alpha, not a beta, and yes I'm a professional programmer I know what beta/alpha are.
Either way it's highly unprofessional of them taking shots at other games, especially when they are so guilty themselves.
 

 

Actually not true, some of us had free beta spots long ago. I agree within the last 6 months there were none, but your statement is completely incorrect and I am sure you knew that.

I do agree with your point though about underhanded and shady, and yes it has never been a beta by any real measure.

rlmccoy1987

Wonder if Henrik is starting to see the truth about MO's launch and how it will be bad compared to DF's

sakkdaddy

He's probably right that the launch will be better.  I can't really imagine a way to make it worse than DF's.  I'm not sure that the game will have any content in it though at launch, and that's really embarassing to have less content than Darkfall did.

rlmccoy1987

Originally posted by sakkdaddy


He's probably right that the launch will be better.  I can't really imagine a way to make it worse than DF's.  I'm not sure that the game will have any content in it though at launch, and that's really embarassing to have less content than Darkfall did.

 

Have more content and more problems at launch or have less content and less problems.   (I would rather have more content)

rlmccoy1987

So now we know that MO's launch will be worse than darkfall's...

Toquio3

I think Im starting to wish MO fails hard, just on account of the fact that their CEO is such a douchebag.