I feel like I'm doing something wrong by enjoying both EVE and LotRO. How can someone enjoy both themeparks and sandboxes? It's damn near heretical, isn't it?
I only say this because it seems to have turned into a light themepark vs. sandbox discussion.
its a massive multiplayer online screensaver,the more time you dump on it, the prettier it looks.
just that
Wow. This nails it on the head for me. It's exactly as much fun as mining for space rocks should be, I guess. Now I'm not saying that it is a bad game by any means, it's just not for me.
its a massive multiplayer online screensaver,the more time you dump on it, the prettier it looks.
just that
Wow. This nails it on the head for me. It's exactly as much fun as mining for space rocks should be, I guess. Now I'm not saying that it is a bad game by any means, it's just not for me.
Go back and read my posts if you like but I have said the same thing about mining. Mined in beta and swore off the game because of it. Fortunately I failed to follow through on the promise but when I did return I swore off mining and mining skill still at level 2 from creation.
Yes mining is boring if you don't like it (some people absolutely love it) Go do something else you do find enjoyable, there a plenty of options out there. Judging the game and calling it a screensaver based one small aspect of the game is closed minded and silly.
I feel like I'm doing something wrong by enjoying both EVE and LotRO. How can someone enjoy both themeparks and sandboxes? It's damn near heretical, isn't it?
I only say this because it seems to have turned into a light themepark vs. sandbox discussion.
I enjoy both as well, as stated in previous posts right now I am playing both Eve and WoW. There are things about both I really like and things I really don't like. The only difference for me is in Eve I don't like doing one thing there are many other options, where in WoW I only have a couple of options at 80: farm heroics, raid, pvp in bgs or arenas. I can safely say that right now I am thoroughly burnt on random heroic farming, arenas are not fun for me so I am left with raiding a couple hours a week and some BG PvP as the only 2 things in the game left to do for fun. It's just unfortunate that I feel I have to log in and run my daily random so I can have my frost badges to get the gear I need to raid with. Atleast in Eve I am not stuck in a constant gear grind though this lack of hand held direction can be boring at times when I do not know what I want to do in game.
The one thing that all MMOs have in common though is that the people you play with makes all the difference in your enjoyment levels. If it weren't for the awesome people in my WoW guild I definitely would have stopped playing that game but they do make the game enjoyable to me on the whole despite the severe problems I have with the games core design.
All of you have wonderful "explanations" of why EVE is a game you really enjoy, but seriously...to assume others DON'T because they like themepark games is....kind of silly.
How many times in this thread alone have people basically said, how long do I have to grind to get to a level that is fun? This is viewing the game as if it was a theme park, and will only lead to failure.
In EVE every ship is just as important as the other. When I started, I thought that frigs were meaningless and trained past them, and I did the same with cruisers to a lesser degree. I thought that if I could at get a battle cruiser I could compete and have fun.
So I spent a couple of months grinding away until I got my BC, and then I joined a corp. but I was almost worthless. I basically had the skills for three different ships, but didn’t have a clue how to equip them or fly them. As for a battleship, I would have been totally destroyed, I couldn’t even fit or fly a frigate.
That was when I learned that this game was different and I had to learn to think differently if I was going to enjoy it. I had to learn to compete against other players, and learn to use all the tools available to me.
To have fun in this game you have to play it the way it was designed. One ship builds on the next continually increasing the impact your character has on the game world.
What is great about eve is that there really isnt anything you cant do from day 1. Granted you might have a greater chance of succes if train a bit first, but there really isnt anything you cannot attempt to do. No places you cannot go yet.
That is one of the reasons I like the game. It might not be one of the reasons why EVE is the oldest game that is concistantly being voted in the top 10 of most popular games on this site.. It might not be one of the reasons why the population in eve has been steadily growing since release.
I am perfectly aware that EVE isnt for everyone. And there are certainly parts of it that could be improved. But to me it is definatly one of the best online worlds Ive visited. And it is perfect for roleplaying. No forced allegiances that can never be changed. And you decide what you character feels and believes.
its a massive multiplayer online screensaver,the more time you dump on it, the prettier it looks.
just that
Wow. This nails it on the head for me. It's exactly as much fun as mining for space rocks should be, I guess. Now I'm not saying that it is a bad game by any means, it's just not for me.
Go back and read my posts if you like but I have said the same thing about mining. Mined in beta and swore off the game because of it. Fortunately I failed to follow through on the promise but when I did return I swore off mining and mining skill still at level 2 from creation.
Yes mining is boring if you don't like it (some people absolutely love it) Go do something else you do find enjoyable, there a plenty of options out there. Judging the game and calling it a screensaver based one small aspect of the game is closed minded and silly.
I wonder why CCP never tried to make mining more of an Active type feature.
I mean surely they could think of some type of cool minigame for mining.
Oh well mining remains the one negative aspect of the game for me due to its passive nature.
I never mine in EVE. I did it during the tutorial missions, but I found it too boring. And yeah, assuming EVE is boring because mining is boring is just stupid.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Well this is a great thread, I guess the OP wasnt expecting such a rush of answers...
Clearly there are many points of view...and these views procure some emotional response. Its obvious to me that over the years CCP has made eve more and more accesible to the newer player!.. with people commenting on 2 or 3 trials finding the enjoyment they previously had not.
However I think this might be more the case that a players attitude toward fast action high adrenaline games starts to calm down and would rather something they can do more slow paced... Eve is the perfect 'AFK' game.. often people will have it running in the background while playing other games.
Its also possible that after 2/3 trials, said person actually starts to grasp the concept as a whole and has spent enough time to start learning.
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I still say that Eve is more like a long deep game of chess that you might play with a worthy opponent, one of those games where one move is done every few days or so as the battle of wits and imagination goes on.
Other games like Lotro are more like checkers.. quicker more exciting game in the short term.
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
Part time gamers who have familys and busy lives simply dont have the time to fine tune their FPS Aim, or study strategies for RTS... or even commit to regular dungeon Raids, they'll prefer eve because they only need to pop on once or twice a week to check market orders or to change skills. Sometimes its just a case of running a few level 4 missions a week to pay for the continued subscription
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
It really is a pity that Dust 514 wont (initially, anyway) be available on the PC. I have a suspicion that it will eventually be somehow folded in to the eve client, possibly as an optional extra. I'd cheerfully pay almost reasonable price for that, and I think a lot of other players would too. I quite understand why CCP want to launch it as console specific, of course.
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
It really is a pity that Dust 514 wont (initially, anyway) be available on the PC. I have a suspicion that it will eventually be somehow folded in to the eve client, possibly as an optional extra. I'd cheerfully pay almost reasonable price for that, and I think a lot of other players would too. I quite understand why CCP want to launch it as console specific, of course.
Dude I almost want the Console version to bomb so CCP has to release on PC just so the eve players that refuse to own a console can keep the PI feature up and running.
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
It really is a pity that Dust 514 wont (initially, anyway) be available on the PC. I have a suspicion that it will eventually be somehow folded in to the eve client, possibly as an optional extra. I'd cheerfully pay almost reasonable price for that, and I think a lot of other players would too. I quite understand why CCP want to launch it as console specific, of course.
Dude I almost want the Console version to bomb so CCP has to release on PC just so the eve players that refuse to own a console can keep the PI feature up and running.
You're not the only person. I was excited when this project was originally announced, expecting it to be at least AVAILABLE for the PC but the moment it was mentioned for console only all of the hype was gone. I will never play an FPS on a slow controller when I can play one with a mouse/keyboard.
People can debate which is faster, there's really no contest when you've played both extensively.
Side note: If it does eventually release for the PC and CCP offer a combined subscription for EVE/Dust, I would gladly resub provided it's a reasonable price for the package.
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
It really is a pity that Dust 514 wont (initially, anyway) be available on the PC. I have a suspicion that it will eventually be somehow folded in to the eve client, possibly as an optional extra. I'd cheerfully pay almost reasonable price for that, and I think a lot of other players would too. I quite understand why CCP want to launch it as console specific, of course.
Dude I almost want the Console version to bomb so CCP has to release on PC just so the eve players that refuse to own a console can keep the PI feature up and running.
You're not the only person. I was excited when this project was originally announced, expecting it to be at least AVAILABLE for the PC but the moment it was mentioned for console only all of the hype was gone. I will never play an FPS on a slow controller when I can play one with a mouse/keyboard.
People can debate which is faster, there's really no contest when you've played both extensively.
Side note: If it does eventually release for the PC and CCP offer a combined subscription for EVE/Dust, I would gladly resub provided it's a reasonable price for the package.
Dust is not going to have a subscription. if it goes to PC we will probably just have to pay for a Dust client.
Think Borderlands with its Buy to play model and low fee DLC.
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
It really is a pity that Dust 514 wont (initially, anyway) be available on the PC. I have a suspicion that it will eventually be somehow folded in to the eve client, possibly as an optional extra. I'd cheerfully pay almost reasonable price for that, and I think a lot of other players would too. I quite understand why CCP want to launch it as console specific, of course.
Dude I almost want the Console version to bomb so CCP has to release on PC just so the eve players that refuse to own a console can keep the PI feature up and running.
You're not the only person. I was excited when this project was originally announced, expecting it to be at least AVAILABLE for the PC but the moment it was mentioned for console only all of the hype was gone. I will never play an FPS on a slow controller when I can play one with a mouse/keyboard.
People can debate which is faster, there's really no contest when you've played both extensively.
Side note: If it does eventually release for the PC and CCP offer a combined subscription for EVE/Dust, I would gladly resub provided it's a reasonable price for the package.
Dust is not going to have a subscription. if it goes to PC we will probably just have to pay for a Dust client.
Think Borderlands with its Buy to play model and low fee DLC.
The DLC focus was one of the major reasons I put down Borderlands. The storyline felt unfinished and the original game felt lacking, but I wasn't about to pay 10-20 dollars per DLC to get the "full" game. I hate microtransactions.
Well the hope for a PC launch was killed off now, too. Thanks! lol
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
It really is a pity that Dust 514 wont (initially, anyway) be available on the PC. I have a suspicion that it will eventually be somehow folded in to the eve client, possibly as an optional extra. I'd cheerfully pay almost reasonable price for that, and I think a lot of other players would too. I quite understand why CCP want to launch it as console specific, of course.
Dude I almost want the Console version to bomb so CCP has to release on PC just so the eve players that refuse to own a console can keep the PI feature up and running.
You're not the only person. I was excited when this project was originally announced, expecting it to be at least AVAILABLE for the PC but the moment it was mentioned for console only all of the hype was gone. I will never play an FPS on a slow controller when I can play one with a mouse/keyboard.
People can debate which is faster, there's really no contest when you've played both extensively.
Side note: If it does eventually release for the PC and CCP offer a combined subscription for EVE/Dust, I would gladly resub provided it's a reasonable price for the package.
Dust is not going to have a subscription. if it goes to PC we will probably just have to pay for a Dust client.
Think Borderlands with its Buy to play model and low fee DLC.
The DLC focus was one of the major reasons I put down Borderlands. The storyline felt unfinished and the original game felt lacking, but I wasn't about to pay 10-20 dollars per DLC to get the "full" game. I hate microtransactions.
Well the hope for a PC launch was killed off now, too. Thanks! lol
LOL the DLC is going to be Packs of Blueprints totally optional stuff you wont even need if you arent into making vehicles and stuff. IM going to play a run of the mill grunt so i couldn't careless for the blueprints and indy stuff.
I havent read anything on actual content being released through DLC like Zones or storyline.
The deal is that Eve is not what people want to think it is. Eve has many areas and professions to explore but at it's base it is and always has been an indepth complex starship combat game. Just take Star Fleet Battles an transpose it into software. All other areas, while interesting and rewarding to the dedicated, are designed to generate isk so you can by ships and mods and blow the crap out of them.
Secondly, Eve is a social game of constant unmerciful street gang warfare. If you can not enjoy this or understand it then Eve is not for you. Yes, there are those who are "good" at fighting solo and as with any army you have the special forces and snipers who have that skill set and mentality for that. But, for the rest of us 11Bravos the game really shines when you are on comms fighting in a gang with others. This is the addictive part of Eve and all else is less rewarding...for most people.
That is why I tell new players to find themselves a player corp to join. Eve is about team work and using that team work to brutialy kick the crap out of the people one street down.
.......... If you have to do 75%crappy stuff to get to the 25%good stuff you are just wasting time.......
This is something I disagree with, and not just in eve but in real life too.
Simple enough example is fishing. Lot of the time when fishing you're just sitting there waiting for a bite. Or hunting in the woods your not sitting their shooting animals non-stop, you gotta track them get in close line up the shot and boom.
This is what people mean by you need patience in EVE. I believe this waiting adds something to the game (others could argue this added stuff is crap) I honestly enjoy a kill much more if I've hunted it down got the probes/tackle before it gets out and then get the kill. Also many eve players just enjoy the thrill of knowing their ship is worth a lot, a game like wow if you die your back in 1 min in eve it may take you an hour for a cheap ship or weeks if you where flying a capital.
It all comes down to taste weather you actually like this and weather you like eve's setting. I love this in eve, however I hate fishing and hunting (more to do with animal cruelty).
I am of the opinion that DUST will never see the light of day. CCP has a great history of making a lot of "grand plans" that never develop into anything serious. It seems they let "slip" this big ideas just to keep player interested in EVE until at some point the supposed idea just fades from memory.
I am not saying the CCP is bad just that I think they have a hard time following through on some proposed projects. EVE alone is not a bad MMO. But, like any product that is an MMO, interest will wax and wane unless the development company injects something new from time to time. In the case of CCP, they just seem fail to always follow through.
I have played MMORPGs since Meridian 59 and have played the following games: Meridan 59, Ashrons Call, Ultima Online, EverQuest, Dark Ages of Camelot, World of Warcraft , Middle Earth Online and EVE. Ive downloaded but didnt sub most other games with the exception of newer games like Warhammer. Here are the things I like about eve:
- In alot of ways EVE is more of a simulation than a game. It is a living world of incredible interelationship and complexity. That in itself gives all game activies context and makes them feel more "real".
- As many explain very well: eve lets you do whatever you want. There are no classes. anyone can learn any skill. You set your owns in terms of both character development and game activities.
- Fitting the right modules on ships and understanding and comming up with good fits is very complex and deep.
- The different EVE ships are suprisingly balanced when it comes to PVP. It isnt perfect but you can specialize in the ships of any race and do well.
- Eve has real danger and the consequences of getting your ship blown up can be significant.
- Eve has a wide variety of things you can do. Some people live in wormholes. Some are involved with huge wars and alliances. Some do only industrial stuff. Some mostly mine asteroids. Some like faction warfare PvP. Some are pirates. Some are fulltime haulers. Some are mercinaries. Some trade commodoties. Some people mostly do missions. Some do complexes. Some enjoy large fleet PVP. Some enjoy small fleet PVP. Some people explore. Some run scams and cons. There is just an incredible range of experience to be had. Some people do a combination of things and some people specialize.
- Eve is the only MMORPG I know of where being a 100% non-combatitant is a realistic option. Well you may be an unwilling victim to violence, but you can spend all your time on purely industrial or
- Eve is brutal. Its a dangerous and mean place
- Players can control huge parts of the galaxy and build up the infastructure there and setup intellegance
- Eve is a highly social game. Human relationships are very important in EVE. More so than any MMORPG I have played. By far. There are some lone wolves but most people who really like eve are social in nature.
- Eve has complex and drama filled politics. Alot of players hate the politics and avoid it, but the fact that is there ads richness and realism to the game.
- CCP constantly adds (free) new mechanics to the game. Most MMORPGs just add new content (and charge you for it) but CCP contstantly adds new mechanics that expand the scope of the game.
- I love the asthetics to the game. I was immediatly taken with the coolness of just flying my spaceship in space. So at the baseline I just love being in a spaceship and flying around. I have always played fantasy games but the gritty sci-fi of eve touchess something primaly geeky in me.
- Speaking of "geeky" eve is in a weird way least nerdy than most RPGs Ive played. The EVE corps Ive been in that ive enjoyed have just alot of "regular" guys. For example lots of military guys play eve. Dont get me wrong, there are some uber-nerds in eve that I have encountered but eve seems to have less of them.
- Eve has a sanctioned "ISK" selling in the game. If person A sells ISK to person B, then person B gets money they can spend in the game and person A gets free gametime. Plently of people play EVE for free.
- Because eve is so complex and the learning curve is so high thre are very little young kids in the game. When I played WoW we constantly had to deal with rude and
- Eve is a "serious" game in its vibe. There is very little "cutsie" stuff like you would find in WoW. When there is cutsie stuff it is jarring and really stands out to me.
- Eve is very international. I play with russians, Aussies and europeans all the time. I think thats cool.
- Thought some people have made the oppsite point I think EVE is very casual friendly. It is the only MMORPG I have ever played where I can log in and accomplish something meaningful in 1 hour.
- EVE has an open webserive API so people have able to make essentual 3rd party programs that make EVE more manageable.
- I like that EVE is a huge world. It takes a long time to travel from one end to another. It adds and epic feel to the game. Luckily one isnt required to travel very far in the game very often though or it could be annoying.
- Eve has huge epic wars between alliances and coalitions of alliances. And its not just capture the flag type stuff but huge epic campagnes that require logisitics and strategy.
- I like that spying and sabitage is an important part of the game.
There are lots of other parts of eve I like but I'll stop there. I am sure plently of people hate eve for the very reasons I like it, but that is OK. If everyone liked the same thing the world would be a boring place. I personaly think it is the best game I have ever played by far. I will never stop playing it for as long as it lasts.
Here are some things I dont like about eve:
- It has an intensly hard learning curve. I hate reading documentation so it was doubly hard for me. Luckily EVE players are usually very helpful to newbs so I was able to get past that. It was still frustrating though. Honestly there were times it so frustrating I felt like quiting. It took me three trials to really decide to make the effort to learn it.
- While people deal significantly with their corpmates, casual social interactions are few and far between. People may chat when in the recruiting channel or very occasionaly in local chat but most people dont chat with strangers and even more rarely actually do activities with strangers. In WoW and EQ I was in pick-up-groups all the time. While this had its own problems it was interesting to play with lots of other people. Because trusting someone in EVE is taking a serious risk this will probably never change.
- The UI is HORRIBLE on almost every level. Just HORRIBLE.
- The "quests" of eve are "missions". While I like them enough to do them sometimes they are may least favorite thing in EVE. If quests in WoW on a scale of 1 to 10 would be a "10", missions in EVE would be a "2" or "3". I would like to see them put some serious resources behind making PvE missions more interesting. I also dislike that running missions in high sec is one of the most profitable things you can do. The risk/reward ratio is messed up there.
- The official EVE forums are a bit snarky for my tastes. CCP as a company kind of has that vibe so the forums have taken on that flavor. I avoid them more than i would like as a result.
- They often dont put the man-power resources into fixing bugs that they need to. Their QA sucks.
- While I am one of those rare people who actually likes to mine on occassion, Id like to see them add on a more advanced and interactive form of mining. I don't want to see the passive type go away because I like to multi-task and do that type, but Id like to see a new type added as well.
- The documentation sucks. While I usually avoid reading documentation unless I have to, sometimes I just have to and it is really weak. Often fan sites are where you need to turn to and sometimes those arent good enough.
- As interesting as the economy is, tech 1 ships often sell for the same price as the minerals it takes to build them. Sometimes you can even make a profit by buying a ship, turning it into minerals and selling them. I wish that were more balanced.
- I want to see insurance not pay out when someone has lost their ship in the act of commiting a crime in high sec.
- Id like there to be level 4 and 5 missions that can be completed in a tech II frigate. I like flying small and fast ships and I hate that I need a tech II cruiser or battleship to rat or do missions. Maybe they could make a special type of PvE advanced frigate.
You know nothing of vitual wars if you haven't played EVE. Period. War economics, logistics, strategy, military organization, fleet commanding... Just watch this trailer Yeah, it's idealistic, doesn't have all those lags, cursing, misunderstanding and like. But it shoes what way EVE fleet fights are organized and commanded. It's like a war movie, not a war. But still you can imagine what war in EVE looks like. Can you compare this to any other MMOG?
You know nothing of vitual wars if you haven't played EVE. Period. War economics, logistics, strategy, military organization, fleet commanding... Just watch this trailer Yeah, it's idealistic, doesn't have all those lags, cursing, misunderstanding and like. But it shoes what way EVE fleet fights are organized and commanded. It's like a war movie, not a war. But still you can imagine what war in EVE looks like. Can you compare this to any other MMOG?
yeah, uh that's not exactly what eve looks like when you play. now i'll be the first to admit that i'm as new to eve as anyone but i have been a pc gamer since i was a teenager with a c-64 so i' know a little bit about pc gaming and maybe i have yet to experiance what you show in the trailer but i don't think that content is there in game. in fact that trailer is pretty bogus because every enemy i've fought in eve is not a huge capitol ship bristling with gun turrets or a wily fighter craft zipping around a battlefield, no my enemies are always tiny dot's covered by a red targetting cross. eve online, for the uninformed is without a doubt the most passive mmo there is. you can't control your ship in any meaningfull way before, during or after fights and you don't just fly around space looking for adventure and oppertunities. everything you do you do by point and click. or opening windows os style ui panes and highlight stuff.
maybe i have yet to experiance what you show in the trailer but i don't think that content is there in game. in fact that trailer is pretty bogus because every enemy i've fought in eve is not a huge capitol ship bristling with gun turrets or a wily fighter craft zipping around a battlefield, no my enemies are always tiny dot's covered by a red targetting cross. eve online, for the uninformed is without a doubt the most passive mmo there is. you can't control your ship in any meaningfull way before, during or after fights and you don't just fly around space looking for adventure and oppertunities. everything you do you do by point and click. or opening windows os style ui panes and highlight stuff.
Wow... Okay, I've been in battles way more intense than that trailer, it's not really bogus. The content is there.
I'm also guessing you havn't done pvp yet, since it's a lot more than "tiny dots covered by a red targetting cross".
And you can control your ship in a meaningfull way. Check your transversal speed and so on and so forth, hell, I'll even link you this
Also, this trailer. If you want a "bogus trailer" this (or this, but this ain't really a trailer) would probably be the closest to it.
Also, I fly around space looking for adventure and opportunities. It's called exploration and wormholes (oh, and sometimes marked opportunities..)
Yeah, it's pretty clear that you're new, but don't worry. There's a ton to learn and see in Eve. (Oh, also, the whole "I've been a gamer since the C64"-thing and then failing in gramma, spelling and talking about things you don't really know that much about... It really doesn't make you look good, no offense)
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I think he meant that Eve's style of flying seems passive compared to say... free flight - having direct control of your ship. And stop linking trailers. They are meant to hype up people. They never tell what the game is really like so just stop it.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Also, I fly around space looking for adventure and opportunities. It's called exploration and wormholes (oh, and sometimes marked opportunities..)
Yeah, I fly around space looking for adventure... except that I call it grinding plexes and wormholes. You can always say that "you're fighting evil in the frontlines making a difference" in an RvR game or "proving yourself in the arenas to receive the blessing of gods and the highest honor of your peers" but in the end, truth is something else. When the illusion fades, it becomes quite gray.
That is when the real game mechanics kick in. When you can still enjoy it even when you see past the illusion.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
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I feel like I'm doing something wrong by enjoying both EVE and LotRO. How can someone enjoy both themeparks and sandboxes? It's damn near heretical, isn't it?
I only say this because it seems to have turned into a light themepark vs. sandbox discussion.
Wow. This nails it on the head for me. It's exactly as much fun as mining for space rocks should be, I guess. Now I'm not saying that it is a bad game by any means, it's just not for me.
Go back and read my posts if you like but I have said the same thing about mining. Mined in beta and swore off the game because of it. Fortunately I failed to follow through on the promise but when I did return I swore off mining and mining skill still at level 2 from creation.
Yes mining is boring if you don't like it (some people absolutely love it) Go do something else you do find enjoyable, there a plenty of options out there. Judging the game and calling it a screensaver based one small aspect of the game is closed minded and silly.
I enjoy both as well, as stated in previous posts right now I am playing both Eve and WoW. There are things about both I really like and things I really don't like. The only difference for me is in Eve I don't like doing one thing there are many other options, where in WoW I only have a couple of options at 80: farm heroics, raid, pvp in bgs or arenas. I can safely say that right now I am thoroughly burnt on random heroic farming, arenas are not fun for me so I am left with raiding a couple hours a week and some BG PvP as the only 2 things in the game left to do for fun. It's just unfortunate that I feel I have to log in and run my daily random so I can have my frost badges to get the gear I need to raid with. Atleast in Eve I am not stuck in a constant gear grind though this lack of hand held direction can be boring at times when I do not know what I want to do in game.
The one thing that all MMOs have in common though is that the people you play with makes all the difference in your enjoyment levels. If it weren't for the awesome people in my WoW guild I definitely would have stopped playing that game but they do make the game enjoyable to me on the whole despite the severe problems I have with the games core design.
How many times in this thread alone have people basically said, how long do I have to grind to get to a level that is fun? This is viewing the game as if it was a theme park, and will only lead to failure.
In EVE every ship is just as important as the other. When I started, I thought that frigs were meaningless and trained past them, and I did the same with cruisers to a lesser degree. I thought that if I could at get a battle cruiser I could compete and have fun.
So I spent a couple of months grinding away until I got my BC, and then I joined a corp. but I was almost worthless. I basically had the skills for three different ships, but didn’t have a clue how to equip them or fly them. As for a battleship, I would have been totally destroyed, I couldn’t even fit or fly a frigate.
That was when I learned that this game was different and I had to learn to think differently if I was going to enjoy it. I had to learn to compete against other players, and learn to use all the tools available to me.
To have fun in this game you have to play it the way it was designed. One ship builds on the next continually increasing the impact your character has on the game world.
What is great about eve is that there really isnt anything you cant do from day 1. Granted you might have a greater chance of succes if train a bit first, but there really isnt anything you cannot attempt to do. No places you cannot go yet.
That is one of the reasons I like the game. It might not be one of the reasons why EVE is the oldest game that is concistantly being voted in the top 10 of most popular games on this site.. It might not be one of the reasons why the population in eve has been steadily growing since release.
I am perfectly aware that EVE isnt for everyone. And there are certainly parts of it that could be improved. But to me it is definatly one of the best online worlds Ive visited. And it is perfect for roleplaying. No forced allegiances that can never be changed. And you decide what you character feels and believes.
I wonder why CCP never tried to make mining more of an Active type feature.
I mean surely they could think of some type of cool minigame for mining.
Oh well mining remains the one negative aspect of the game for me due to its passive nature.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I never mine in EVE. I did it during the tutorial missions, but I found it too boring. And yeah, assuming EVE is boring because mining is boring is just stupid.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Well this is a great thread, I guess the OP wasnt expecting such a rush of answers...
Clearly there are many points of view...and these views procure some emotional response. Its obvious to me that over the years CCP has made eve more and more accesible to the newer player!.. with people commenting on 2 or 3 trials finding the enjoyment they previously had not.
However I think this might be more the case that a players attitude toward fast action high adrenaline games starts to calm down and would rather something they can do more slow paced... Eve is the perfect 'AFK' game.. often people will have it running in the background while playing other games.
Its also possible that after 2/3 trials, said person actually starts to grasp the concept as a whole and has spent enough time to start learning.
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I still say that Eve is more like a long deep game of chess that you might play with a worthy opponent, one of those games where one move is done every few days or so as the battle of wits and imagination goes on.
Other games like Lotro are more like checkers.. quicker more exciting game in the short term.
Full time players have a need for both a slow thoughtfull game AND a quick fast game too... Most Eve players I know are also strong Counter strike players.
Part time gamers who have familys and busy lives simply dont have the time to fine tune their FPS Aim, or study strategies for RTS... or even commit to regular dungeon Raids, they'll prefer eve because they only need to pop on once or twice a week to check market orders or to change skills. Sometimes its just a case of running a few level 4 missions a week to pay for the continued subscription
It really is a pity that Dust 514 wont (initially, anyway) be available on the PC. I have a suspicion that it will eventually be somehow folded in to the eve client, possibly as an optional extra. I'd cheerfully pay almost reasonable price for that, and I think a lot of other players would too. I quite understand why CCP want to launch it as console specific, of course.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Dude I almost want the Console version to bomb so CCP has to release on PC just so the eve players that refuse to own a console can keep the PI feature up and running.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
You're not the only person. I was excited when this project was originally announced, expecting it to be at least AVAILABLE for the PC but the moment it was mentioned for console only all of the hype was gone. I will never play an FPS on a slow controller when I can play one with a mouse/keyboard.
People can debate which is faster, there's really no contest when you've played both extensively.
Side note: If it does eventually release for the PC and CCP offer a combined subscription for EVE/Dust, I would gladly resub provided it's a reasonable price for the package.
Dust is not going to have a subscription. if it goes to PC we will probably just have to pay for a Dust client.
Think Borderlands with its Buy to play model and low fee DLC.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
The DLC focus was one of the major reasons I put down Borderlands. The storyline felt unfinished and the original game felt lacking, but I wasn't about to pay 10-20 dollars per DLC to get the "full" game. I hate microtransactions.
Well the hope for a PC launch was killed off now, too. Thanks! lol
LOL the DLC is going to be Packs of Blueprints totally optional stuff you wont even need if you arent into making vehicles and stuff. IM going to play a run of the mill grunt so i couldn't careless for the blueprints and indy stuff.
I havent read anything on actual content being released through DLC like Zones or storyline.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
The deal is that Eve is not what people want to think it is. Eve has many areas and professions to explore but at it's base it is and always has been an indepth complex starship combat game. Just take Star Fleet Battles an transpose it into software. All other areas, while interesting and rewarding to the dedicated, are designed to generate isk so you can by ships and mods and blow the crap out of them.
Secondly, Eve is a social game of constant unmerciful street gang warfare. If you can not enjoy this or understand it then Eve is not for you. Yes, there are those who are "good" at fighting solo and as with any army you have the special forces and snipers who have that skill set and mentality for that. But, for the rest of us 11Bravos the game really shines when you are on comms fighting in a gang with others. This is the addictive part of Eve and all else is less rewarding...for most people.
That is why I tell new players to find themselves a player corp to join. Eve is about team work and using that team work to brutialy kick the crap out of the people one street down.
This is something I disagree with, and not just in eve but in real life too.
Simple enough example is fishing. Lot of the time when fishing you're just sitting there waiting for a bite. Or hunting in the woods your not sitting their shooting animals non-stop, you gotta track them get in close line up the shot and boom.
This is what people mean by you need patience in EVE. I believe this waiting adds something to the game (others could argue this added stuff is crap) I honestly enjoy a kill much more if I've hunted it down got the probes/tackle before it gets out and then get the kill. Also many eve players just enjoy the thrill of knowing their ship is worth a lot, a game like wow if you die your back in 1 min in eve it may take you an hour for a cheap ship or weeks if you where flying a capital.
It all comes down to taste weather you actually like this and weather you like eve's setting. I love this in eve, however I hate fishing and hunting (more to do with animal cruelty).
Into the breach meatbags
I am of the opinion that DUST will never see the light of day. CCP has a great history of making a lot of "grand plans" that never develop into anything serious. It seems they let "slip" this big ideas just to keep player interested in EVE until at some point the supposed idea just fades from memory.
I am not saying the CCP is bad just that I think they have a hard time following through on some proposed projects. EVE alone is not a bad MMO. But, like any product that is an MMO, interest will wax and wane unless the development company injects something new from time to time. In the case of CCP, they just seem fail to always follow through.
Let's party like it is 1863!
I have played MMORPGs since Meridian 59 and have played the following games: Meridan 59, Ashrons Call, Ultima Online, EverQuest, Dark Ages of Camelot, World of Warcraft , Middle Earth Online and EVE. Ive downloaded but didnt sub most other games with the exception of newer games like Warhammer. Here are the things I like about eve:
- In alot of ways EVE is more of a simulation than a game. It is a living world of incredible interelationship and complexity. That in itself gives all game activies context and makes them feel more "real".
- As many explain very well: eve lets you do whatever you want. There are no classes. anyone can learn any skill. You set your owns in terms of both character development and game activities.
- Fitting the right modules on ships and understanding and comming up with good fits is very complex and deep.
- The different EVE ships are suprisingly balanced when it comes to PVP. It isnt perfect but you can specialize in the ships of any race and do well.
- Eve has real danger and the consequences of getting your ship blown up can be significant.
- Eve has a wide variety of things you can do. Some people live in wormholes. Some are involved with huge wars and alliances. Some do only industrial stuff. Some mostly mine asteroids. Some like faction warfare PvP. Some are pirates. Some are fulltime haulers. Some are mercinaries. Some trade commodoties. Some people mostly do missions. Some do complexes. Some enjoy large fleet PVP. Some enjoy small fleet PVP. Some people explore. Some run scams and cons. There is just an incredible range of experience to be had. Some people do a combination of things and some people specialize.
- Eve is the only MMORPG I know of where being a 100% non-combatitant is a realistic option. Well you may be an unwilling victim to violence, but you can spend all your time on purely industrial or
- Eve is brutal. Its a dangerous and mean place
- Players can control huge parts of the galaxy and build up the infastructure there and setup intellegance
- Eve is a highly social game. Human relationships are very important in EVE. More so than any MMORPG I have played. By far. There are some lone wolves but most people who really like eve are social in nature.
- Eve has complex and drama filled politics. Alot of players hate the politics and avoid it, but the fact that is there ads richness and realism to the game.
- CCP constantly adds (free) new mechanics to the game. Most MMORPGs just add new content (and charge you for it) but CCP contstantly adds new mechanics that expand the scope of the game.
- I love the asthetics to the game. I was immediatly taken with the coolness of just flying my spaceship in space. So at the baseline I just love being in a spaceship and flying around. I have always played fantasy games but the gritty sci-fi of eve touchess something primaly geeky in me.
- Speaking of "geeky" eve is in a weird way least nerdy than most RPGs Ive played. The EVE corps Ive been in that ive enjoyed have just alot of "regular" guys. For example lots of military guys play eve. Dont get me wrong, there are some uber-nerds in eve that I have encountered but eve seems to have less of them.
- Eve has a sanctioned "ISK" selling in the game. If person A sells ISK to person B, then person B gets money they can spend in the game and person A gets free gametime. Plently of people play EVE for free.
- Because eve is so complex and the learning curve is so high thre are very little young kids in the game. When I played WoW we constantly had to deal with rude and
- Eve is a "serious" game in its vibe. There is very little "cutsie" stuff like you would find in WoW. When there is cutsie stuff it is jarring and really stands out to me.
- Eve is very international. I play with russians, Aussies and europeans all the time. I think thats cool.
- Thought some people have made the oppsite point I think EVE is very casual friendly. It is the only MMORPG I have ever played where I can log in and accomplish something meaningful in 1 hour.
- EVE has an open webserive API so people have able to make essentual 3rd party programs that make EVE more manageable.
- I like that EVE is a huge world. It takes a long time to travel from one end to another. It adds and epic feel to the game. Luckily one isnt required to travel very far in the game very often though or it could be annoying.
- Eve has huge epic wars between alliances and coalitions of alliances. And its not just capture the flag type stuff but huge epic campagnes that require logisitics and strategy.
- I like that spying and sabitage is an important part of the game.
There are lots of other parts of eve I like but I'll stop there. I am sure plently of people hate eve for the very reasons I like it, but that is OK. If everyone liked the same thing the world would be a boring place. I personaly think it is the best game I have ever played by far. I will never stop playing it for as long as it lasts.
Here are some things I dont like about eve:
- It has an intensly hard learning curve. I hate reading documentation so it was doubly hard for me. Luckily EVE players are usually very helpful to newbs so I was able to get past that. It was still frustrating though. Honestly there were times it so frustrating I felt like quiting. It took me three trials to really decide to make the effort to learn it.
- While people deal significantly with their corpmates, casual social interactions are few and far between. People may chat when in the recruiting channel or very occasionaly in local chat but most people dont chat with strangers and even more rarely actually do activities with strangers. In WoW and EQ I was in pick-up-groups all the time. While this had its own problems it was interesting to play with lots of other people. Because trusting someone in EVE is taking a serious risk this will probably never change.
- The UI is HORRIBLE on almost every level. Just HORRIBLE.
- The "quests" of eve are "missions". While I like them enough to do them sometimes they are may least favorite thing in EVE. If quests in WoW on a scale of 1 to 10 would be a "10", missions in EVE would be a "2" or "3". I would like to see them put some serious resources behind making PvE missions more interesting. I also dislike that running missions in high sec is one of the most profitable things you can do. The risk/reward ratio is messed up there.
- The official EVE forums are a bit snarky for my tastes. CCP as a company kind of has that vibe so the forums have taken on that flavor. I avoid them more than i would like as a result.
- They often dont put the man-power resources into fixing bugs that they need to. Their QA sucks.
- While I am one of those rare people who actually likes to mine on occassion, Id like to see them add on a more advanced and interactive form of mining. I don't want to see the passive type go away because I like to multi-task and do that type, but Id like to see a new type added as well.
- The documentation sucks. While I usually avoid reading documentation unless I have to, sometimes I just have to and it is really weak. Often fan sites are where you need to turn to and sometimes those arent good enough.
- As interesting as the economy is, tech 1 ships often sell for the same price as the minerals it takes to build them. Sometimes you can even make a profit by buying a ship, turning it into minerals and selling them. I wish that were more balanced.
- I want to see insurance not pay out when someone has lost their ship in the act of commiting a crime in high sec.
- Id like there to be level 4 and 5 missions that can be completed in a tech II frigate. I like flying small and fast ships and I hate that I need a tech II cruiser or battleship to rat or do missions. Maybe they could make a special type of PvE advanced frigate.
You know nothing of vitual wars if you haven't played EVE. Period. War economics, logistics, strategy, military organization, fleet commanding... Just watch this trailer Yeah, it's idealistic, doesn't have all those lags, cursing, misunderstanding and like. But it shoes what way EVE fleet fights are organized and commanded. It's like a war movie, not a war. But still you can imagine what war in EVE looks like. Can you compare this to any other MMOG?
yeah, uh that's not exactly what eve looks like when you play. now i'll be the first to admit that i'm as new to eve as anyone but i have been a pc gamer since i was a teenager with a c-64 so i' know a little bit about pc gaming and maybe i have yet to experiance what you show in the trailer but i don't think that content is there in game. in fact that trailer is pretty bogus because every enemy i've fought in eve is not a huge capitol ship bristling with gun turrets or a wily fighter craft zipping around a battlefield, no my enemies are always tiny dot's covered by a red targetting cross. eve online, for the uninformed is without a doubt the most passive mmo there is. you can't control your ship in any meaningfull way before, during or after fights and you don't just fly around space looking for adventure and oppertunities. everything you do you do by point and click. or opening windows os style ui panes and highlight stuff.
You should really do more than just mission run.
Manually maneuvering a ship has kept me alive so many times.
Go ahead, lock target and Orbit ill smoke you every time.
Passive my ass. l2p.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Wow... Okay, I've been in battles way more intense than that trailer, it's not really bogus. The content is there.
I'm also guessing you havn't done pvp yet, since it's a lot more than "tiny dots covered by a red targetting cross".
And you can control your ship in a meaningfull way. Check your transversal speed and so on and so forth, hell, I'll even link you this
Also, this trailer. If you want a "bogus trailer" this (or this, but this ain't really a trailer) would probably be the closest to it.
Also, I fly around space looking for adventure and opportunities. It's called exploration and wormholes (oh, and sometimes marked opportunities..)
Yeah, it's pretty clear that you're new, but don't worry. There's a ton to learn and see in Eve. (Oh, also, the whole "I've been a gamer since the C64"-thing and then failing in gramma, spelling and talking about things you don't really know that much about... It really doesn't make you look good, no offense)
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I think he meant that Eve's style of flying seems passive compared to say... free flight - having direct control of your ship. And stop linking trailers. They are meant to hype up people. They never tell what the game is really like so just stop it.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Yeah, I fly around space looking for adventure... except that I call it grinding plexes and wormholes. You can always say that "you're fighting evil in the frontlines making a difference" in an RvR game or "proving yourself in the arenas to receive the blessing of gods and the highest honor of your peers" but in the end, truth is something else. When the illusion fades, it becomes quite gray.
That is when the real game mechanics kick in. When you can still enjoy it even when you see past the illusion.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky