Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
If those are the things you are looking for in a game and what you say comes true in the final build I guess I can only say you may not like what you see, but what your post really pointed out to me is the fact that as a community we seem to have a problem with every game on the market we don't play and since that is the case I don't have a problem with companies trying something different.
Many people love LOTRO for the unique heavy pve design even with the inclusion of monsterplay, some people love to play WOW for it's pretty intense pvp (as I hear haven't played since a bit after burning crusade), and some like EVE for it's somewhat political pvp aspects. Again TOR may not be what you are looking for but in respect to many others it will be.
I hope they can pull the game off in that grand a scale and please all the different mmo playstyles but if they don't I'm confident I'll like what I get from them which doesn't even mean they have to keep me subbing for a long time.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Theres really no point comparing this game with WoW, their completely different genre's after all, and more than likely the players of WoW will be too caught up in Cataclysm etc to even think about any other games, people who are going to be interested in ToR are probably a completely different demographic, it is scifi after all, and scifi games i've noticed tend to be less popular anyway, Niche games that appeal to certain types of players, that doesnt mean their unsuccessful, Eve has 350k players, compared to WoW thats nothing, but for a scifi game thats pretty good numbers! There is no reason not to think that ToR shouldnt get similar numbers to Eve, maybe not at first, but if the game is good enough, then its likely that more players will join in...the problem is that because of WoW, people have misconceptions about how many players it takes to make a successful game, the WoW phenomena might never be repeated again, so its an unrealistic expectation to have, even if the game only has 200k players in its first quarter, that should still be considered a successful start! Even SWG in its most popular period only had about 250k players.
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said. I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs. And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP. Just sayin'.
Indeed. Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm. For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Lets go over some key points we can surmise by going to the Old Republic Forums and reading the Dev Blog.
1: Gear Based.
2: Themepark.
3: Easy PVE content.
4: Carebear PVP content.
5: Lore will get tossed aside for end game Progression.
6: Crafting will be bad or non existant.
7: Class balance is going to be laughable.
Thats just a few but honestly other than being Star Wars, what will the game offer that WOTLK doesn't already have?
A themepark with no crafting, bad class balance issues, Over the top progression loot and Burst issues, Soft or easy Raid content and bad PVP balance. ITs not just going to be a themepark the PVE and PVP content will be laugable.
I mean can you think of a reason OTHER than it being Star Wars to play this game?
I have been on the Forums over there since 08 and the only meaningful Dev posts are a interview reassuring Ensidia the game will have heavy raid content, and some blog posts about how exited they are over the loot drops, and if you watch any of the videos, the combat looks a rediculously one deminsional auto attack system.
Because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Next.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
But LOTR has a PVE raid dynamic that TOR wont be able to deliver, my point is they are watering down so many systems it wont matter. It will be a story driven cakewalk and probably end up with the same 200k sub base that LOTR has, which isn't good. Good for you maybe not for everyone else.
PVErs even if they do ( doubtful) make up a majority, wont be interested in a game with top down easy mode systems, it simply wont be challenging. From what I see in the video, everyone will have standardised attacks, dps dps, AOE ground blasting attacks a healbot of sorts which means the entire dungeon system will be a badly done global cooldown system all so they can do neat lightsaber animations while the CDs are up and you get to swat at air while you wait for force lightning to que up.
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
But LOTR has a PVE raid dynamic that TOR wont be able to deliver, my point is they are watering down so many systems it wont matter. It will be a story driven cakewalk and probably end up with the same 200k sub base that LOTR has, which isn't good. Good for you maybe not for everyone else.
PVErs even if they do ( doubtful) make up a majority, wont be interested in a game with top down easy mode systems, it simply wont be challenging. From what I see in the video, everyone will have standardised attacks, dps dps, AOE ground blasting attacks a healbot of sorts which means the entire dungeon system will be a badly done global cooldown system all so they can do neat lightsaber animations while the CDs are up and you get to swat at air while you wait for force lightning to que up.
I pose this question a third time. This game is easy and terrible compared to what?
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
But LOTR has a PVE raid dynamic that TOR wont be able to deliver, my point is they are watering down so many systems it wont matter. It will be a story driven cakewalk and probably end up with the same 200k sub base that LOTR has, which isn't good. Good for you maybe not for everyone else.
PVErs even if they do ( doubtful) make up a majority, wont be interested in a game with top down easy mode systems, it simply wont be challenging. From what I see in the video, everyone will have standardised attacks, dps dps, AOE ground blasting attacks a healbot of sorts which means the entire dungeon system will be a badly done global cooldown system all so they can do neat lightsaber animations while the CDs are up and you get to swat at air while you wait for force lightning to que up.
Not all classes have a healbot but all classes will be able to heal themselves at least outside of combat. There is no designated holy trinity in the game, each class will be able to spec itself differently which means a consular could potentially heal, or do DPS while a Bounty Hunter could do crowd control or tank. Its dependent on how you spec your character. that does not mean that you won't be able to have a raiding mechanic, or a balanced team for PvP. We also have no idea what skills are available for all classes, how long a cooldown would take, or what content will be available for raiding and the least amount of players you would need to accomplish those missions. This is one reason why they allow for companions during your story mission, so that if you spec your character for support or tanking, you will still have someone else with you to balance out the tough missions if you decide not to have a group. In the missions not related to your personal story you would play your own role and hopefully have a good balance.
On top of that, you have no idea on how the PvP currently works, so your guess is just a shot in the dark. Its obvious your information is limited to watching the video and jumping to conclusions. At this stage there are plenty of things you *could* complain about or take issue with, but the opinions you possess don't side on the rational from the information we currently have. You base this all on assumption from what you want to happen.
Speccing... being able to excel at different roles with one class.. it all sounds so familiar.
It wouldn't be a reason for me to try out TOR, at least =/.
As long as the story is intriguing I might find it enjoyable until I've ran out of that kind of content.. hopefully few months, I wonder how that would be possible though.
That's one thing that always makes the game good even if the gameplay isn't interesting.. a proper story told well goes a long way. Can't really copy that, especially with different setting.
Kojima should make an MMO. Or a co-op multiplayer online game maybe.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
I'm a PvP player first, a large portion of my MMO choices is based around PvP. How are you so sure PvP is going to be so bad? Then you bring up WoWs pvp as if it's actually anything special. And there is plenty reason to not play Cataclysm. That being I'm sick to death of WSG, AB, AV, eots, sota, Isle, and arena. And do we have to bring up WoW pve? So we will be killing Rag again? WoW lives on recycled content and the players (me being one of them) are forced to do everything all over again. After watching this video I think PvP will work very well and many of the skills shown in the video and previously has me thinking of neat combinations and strategies to take down opponents.
Long story short, WoW is old, ToR pvp will probably be just fine, but I don't know that for sure and neither do you.
Originally posted by Faelsun Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
Originally posted by Faelsun
Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
Originally posted by Wharg0ul
Originally posted by Faelsun
Originally posted by Maverz290
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said. I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs. And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP. Just sayin'.
Indeed. Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm. For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience. So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me. PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it. Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
LotROs 200-300k subs is still 10x more than any PVP dedicated MMO. Unless of your you consider Aion pvp dedicated (laugh).
EVE is the closest to that, but than again EVE succeeds due to it's sandbox nature, not its focus on PvP.
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
LotROs 200-300k subs is still 10x more than any PVP dedicated MMO. Unless of your you consider Aion pvp dedicated (laugh).
EVE is the closest to that, but than again EVE succeeds due to it's sandbox nature, not its focus on PvP.
EVE bypasses LOTR by a good 100k subs. as for PVP mmorpgs L1 and L2 both have over a million subs and Aion has over 3 million and yes they are all PVP optimized games. It's off topic on your part, but it's also simply well wrong.
Originally posted by Faelsun Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
Originally posted by Faelsun
Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
Originally posted by Faelsun
Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
Originally posted by Wharg0ul
Originally posted by Faelsun
Originally posted by Maverz290
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Story focused. Enough said. There is no story focused MMORPG on the market. This will be the first one.
What he said. I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs. And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP. Just sayin'.
Indeed. Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm. For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience. So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me. PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
LotROs 200-300k subs is still 10x more than any PVP dedicated MMO. Unless of your you consider Aion pvp dedicated (laugh). EVE is the closest to that, but than again EVE succeeds due to it's sandbox nature, not its focus on PvP. EVE bypasses LOTR by a good 100k subs. as for PVP mmorpgs L1 and L2 both have over a million subs and Aion has over 3 million and yes they are all PVP optimized games. It's off topic on your part, but it's also simply well wrong.
I already mentioned that the popularity of EVE has little to do with PvE/PvP and instead it's sandbox mechanics (you should try reading the entire post next time before mouthing off).
And as for Aion I've played it, it's a PvE game being masqueraded around as a PvP game (just like Age of Conan). It would help if you'd actually played the game you're talking about, but hey, that's never stopped you from sharing your "opinion" on TOR.
As for L1/L2...really...you're getting so desperate you want to bring in the Lineage series? Those games have never even managed to get a 100k subs in the west. They are universally REVILED here in the west like a cancer.
But hey if you really want to bring out the big guns.
World of Warcraft is primarily a PvE game. World of Warcraft generates the most revenue of any known game (irrespective of genre I might add). Therefore, PvE is where it's at.
You should play TOR, *Assuming its a question..* because of the setting, story, and gravity of the whole placement in the star wars lore, which, by the way, is particularly rich in this area of the SW timeline. I believe theres a book being released in July all about it.
The game will be a solid MMO 'at least'. You don't hire people who've built MMO's before, and don't at least get the
MMO parts in. Otherwise it's wasted money, and they (Bioware) aren't stupid.
For example. They recieved the critism from Mass Effect one, and addressed it in Mass Effect two. They didn't need to. It would've still sold well without the improvements, but BY GOD, it was an improvement.
I reckon, as it stands, it'll be an enjoyable experience.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
You can say how perfect WoW is until you are blue in the face. It is your opinion.
I cannot stand WoW. Never did like it much and gave it a couple of tries. Just do not like it and will not go back to it because you are most of the people I used to play with keep going back to it.
Why play WoW?
Because YOU think it is the better game? Go for it, I will not.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
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If those are the things you are looking for in a game and what you say comes true in the final build I guess I can only say you may not like what you see, but what your post really pointed out to me is the fact that as a community we seem to have a problem with every game on the market we don't play and since that is the case I don't have a problem with companies trying something different.
Many people love LOTRO for the unique heavy pve design even with the inclusion of monsterplay, some people love to play WOW for it's pretty intense pvp (as I hear haven't played since a bit after burning crusade), and some like EVE for it's somewhat political pvp aspects. Again TOR may not be what you are looking for but in respect to many others it will be.
I hope they can pull the game off in that grand a scale and please all the different mmo playstyles but if they don't I'm confident I'll like what I get from them which doesn't even mean they have to keep me subbing for a long time.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Theres really no point comparing this game with WoW, their completely different genre's after all, and more than likely the players of WoW will be too caught up in Cataclysm etc to even think about any other games, people who are going to be interested in ToR are probably a completely different demographic, it is scifi after all, and scifi games i've noticed tend to be less popular anyway, Niche games that appeal to certain types of players, that doesnt mean their unsuccessful, Eve has 350k players, compared to WoW thats nothing, but for a scifi game thats pretty good numbers! There is no reason not to think that ToR shouldnt get similar numbers to Eve, maybe not at first, but if the game is good enough, then its likely that more players will join in...the problem is that because of WoW, people have misconceptions about how many players it takes to make a successful game, the WoW phenomena might never be repeated again, so its an unrealistic expectation to have, even if the game only has 200k players in its first quarter, that should still be considered a successful start! Even SWG in its most popular period only had about 250k players.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
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Because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Next.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
But LOTR has a PVE raid dynamic that TOR wont be able to deliver, my point is they are watering down so many systems it wont matter. It will be a story driven cakewalk and probably end up with the same 200k sub base that LOTR has, which isn't good. Good for you maybe not for everyone else.
PVErs even if they do ( doubtful) make up a majority, wont be interested in a game with top down easy mode systems, it simply wont be challenging. From what I see in the video, everyone will have standardised attacks, dps dps, AOE ground blasting attacks a healbot of sorts which means the entire dungeon system will be a badly done global cooldown system all so they can do neat lightsaber animations while the CDs are up and you get to swat at air while you wait for force lightning to que up.
I pose this question a third time. This game is easy and terrible compared to what?
I realize I am late to the party. But I just want to say that I am going to play TOR to have fun.
Remember Old School Ultima Online
Not all classes have a healbot but all classes will be able to heal themselves at least outside of combat. There is no designated holy trinity in the game, each class will be able to spec itself differently which means a consular could potentially heal, or do DPS while a Bounty Hunter could do crowd control or tank. Its dependent on how you spec your character. that does not mean that you won't be able to have a raiding mechanic, or a balanced team for PvP. We also have no idea what skills are available for all classes, how long a cooldown would take, or what content will be available for raiding and the least amount of players you would need to accomplish those missions. This is one reason why they allow for companions during your story mission, so that if you spec your character for support or tanking, you will still have someone else with you to balance out the tough missions if you decide not to have a group. In the missions not related to your personal story you would play your own role and hopefully have a good balance.
On top of that, you have no idea on how the PvP currently works, so your guess is just a shot in the dark. Its obvious your information is limited to watching the video and jumping to conclusions. At this stage there are plenty of things you *could* complain about or take issue with, but the opinions you possess don't side on the rational from the information we currently have. You base this all on assumption from what you want to happen.
Speccing... being able to excel at different roles with one class.. it all sounds so familiar.
It wouldn't be a reason for me to try out TOR, at least =/.
As long as the story is intriguing I might find it enjoyable until I've ran out of that kind of content.. hopefully few months, I wonder how that would be possible though.
That's one thing that always makes the game good even if the gameplay isn't interesting.. a proper story told well goes a long way. Can't really copy that, especially with different setting.
Kojima should make an MMO. Or a co-op multiplayer online game maybe.
I'm a PvP player first, a large portion of my MMO choices is based around PvP. How are you so sure PvP is going to be so bad? Then you bring up WoWs pvp as if it's actually anything special. And there is plenty reason to not play Cataclysm. That being I'm sick to death of WSG, AB, AV, eots, sota, Isle, and arena. And do we have to bring up WoW pve? So we will be killing Rag again? WoW lives on recycled content and the players (me being one of them) are forced to do everything all over again. After watching this video I think PvP will work very well and many of the skills shown in the video and previously has me thinking of neat combinations and strategies to take down opponents.
Long story short, WoW is old, ToR pvp will probably be just fine, but I don't know that for sure and neither do you.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
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You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
LotROs 200-300k subs is still 10x more than any PVP dedicated MMO. Unless of your you consider Aion pvp dedicated (laugh).
EVE is the closest to that, but than again EVE succeeds due to it's sandbox nature, not its focus on PvP.
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EVE bypasses LOTR by a good 100k subs. as for PVP mmorpgs L1 and L2 both have over a million subs and Aion has over 3 million and yes they are all PVP optimized games. It's off topic on your part, but it's also simply well wrong.
What he said.
I feel that the story side of things will amplify everything you do. Only thing better than doing PvP or a PvE area, is when it actually feels like it matters. Maybe we'll all be brainwashed into violently fighting for the Republic and Sith factions by the time this comes out lol.
Except I just saw the PVP video and it's as FAIL as I thought it would be. No one who pvps seriously is going to waste money on this garbage. They might as well do all PVE servers if this is what they intend to release. So the story better be pretty good becuase the PVE is going to have to be fantastic to make up for the terrible pvp mechanics. Story cannot make up for a bad game, if the PVE and PVP suck and the game is easy then it will last as long as the story does, two months and then the subs will fall off and you will just be another big IP that had a failed release and is down to 200k subs.
And there are plety of mmorpg that had compelling stories the only difference this time is TOR is saying, were the first mmorpg to have a story, and people actually believe it, but WOW kids are easy to market to. Just say WOW light minus the mayo and they always bite.
Dude, this is probably the WRONG game to play for PVP.
Just sayin'.
Indeed.
Darkfail -------->
You dont understand the pvp on TOR is going to be so bad there wont be a viable reason to leave WOW. Lets face it with their 1v1 class balancing they are doing there wont be a holy trinity raiding system, so that will leave raiders out, there wont be a decent pvp system, WOWs is probably better lol. So there is not reason to not just play Cataclysm.
For what a story? right.
I left WoW for LotRO years ago. LotRO has no pvp worth mentioning and is purely a story-driven PvE experience.
So I guess it's not so much that I don't understand your point, but moreas simply I don't care because it doesn't apply to me.
PvErs comprise the vast majority of MMOers. I wouldn't concern myself too much about it.
Yes and LOTR has a whopping 200k user base. Thats a far cry from the 2M that Bioware EA wants.
LotROs 200-300k subs is still 10x more than any PVP dedicated MMO. Unless of your you consider Aion pvp dedicated (laugh).
EVE is the closest to that, but than again EVE succeeds due to it's sandbox nature, not its focus on PvP.
EVE bypasses LOTR by a good 100k subs. as for PVP mmorpgs L1 and L2 both have over a million subs and Aion has over 3 million and yes they are all PVP optimized games. It's off topic on your part, but it's also simply well wrong.
I already mentioned that the popularity of EVE has little to do with PvE/PvP and instead it's sandbox mechanics (you should try reading the entire post next time before mouthing off).
And as for Aion I've played it, it's a PvE game being masqueraded around as a PvP game (just like Age of Conan). It would help if you'd actually played the game you're talking about, but hey, that's never stopped you from sharing your "opinion" on TOR.
As for L1/L2...really...you're getting so desperate you want to bring in the Lineage series? Those games have never even managed to get a 100k subs in the west. They are universally REVILED here in the west like a cancer.
But hey if you really want to bring out the big guns.
World of Warcraft is primarily a PvE game. World of Warcraft generates the most revenue of any known game (irrespective of genre I might add). Therefore, PvE is where it's at.
Now spin.
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Because I can't wait to get back into an online Star Wars universe. Can't wait to hear blasters and sabers in pvp again.
You should play TOR, *Assuming its a question..* because of the setting, story, and gravity of the whole placement in the star wars lore, which, by the way, is particularly rich in this area of the SW timeline. I believe theres a book being released in July all about it.
The game will be a solid MMO 'at least'. You don't hire people who've built MMO's before, and don't at least get the
MMO parts in. Otherwise it's wasted money, and they (Bioware) aren't stupid.
For example. They recieved the critism from Mass Effect one, and addressed it in Mass Effect two. They didn't need to. It would've still sold well without the improvements, but BY GOD, it was an improvement.
I reckon, as it stands, it'll be an enjoyable experience.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
Because it is not WoW.
You can say how perfect WoW is until you are blue in the face. It is your opinion.
I cannot stand WoW. Never did like it much and gave it a couple of tries. Just do not like it and will not go back to it because you are most of the people I used to play with keep going back to it.
Why play WoW?
Because YOU think it is the better game? Go for it, I will not.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.