Not in the least. The number they have sold demonstrates that there is a market, hence they are simply supplying that. Profit IS after all the name of the game in business. All this nonsense about "greed" and "loss of integrity" obviously comes from people who either haven't thought things through, and/or whose ideology has blinded them to reality.
Ah, but my good friend, the only thing that stands between 'The Ideal' and 'Reality' are those who lack the foresight to share in that ideology, or the integrity to see it through.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men." Samuel L. Jackson
True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
proving to him I am a fool? Whatever lol. Please, Anyone who pays $25 for something like this should expect to be ridiculed. It is going to happen regardless if they like the it or not. These items serves no purpose, no function other than showcasing "hey look at me". Majority of people have no use or need for these items, and feel it is in fact a waste of money if it serves no real function or benefit. Only one that benefits from it is the Developers. I for one, do not like Cash Shops, they are the sign that devs are willing to nickel and dime their customers( Champions online, and STO anyone?), because idiots like these are willing to shell out cash willynilly lol.
IF you don't like my opinion too bad, I am going to speak it, you don't have to agree with it, but you will hear it. Cash Shops are merely the sign that MMO's are going to get more expensive, with secondary purchase items, cost of game+ sub fee+ cash shop fees in order to play. Setting cashshops aside for a moment, The worst fact is, MMO's are lately becoming more linear, dumb downed, unoriginal, and uninspired cash grabs.
They may serve no purpose or function to YOU. Those who purchased them obviously disagree. How is it that you feel qualified to speak for the "majority of people"? Are you running for political office next? ^^ Those who purchased them benefit from the enjoyment of them. Thats not for you or I to question. Blizzard obviously benefited as well. Thats a win/win in my book.
True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
proving to him I am a fool? Whatever lol. Please, Anyone who pays $25 for something like this should expect to be ridiculed. It is going to happen regardless if they like the it or not. These items serves no purpose, no function other than showcasing "hey look at me". Majority of people have no use or need for these items, and feel it is in fact a waste of money if it serves no real function or benefit. Only one that benefits from it is the Developers. I for one, do not like Cash Shops, they are the sign that devs are willing to nickel and dime their customers( Champions online, and STO anyone?), because idiots like these are willing to shell out cash willynilly lol.
IF you don't like my opinion too bad, I am going to speak it, you don't have to agree with it, but you will hear it. Cash Shops are merely the sign that MMO's are going to get more expensive, with secondary purchase items, cost of game+ sub fee+ cash shop fees in order to play. Setting cashshops aside for a moment, The worst fact is, MMO's are lately becoming more linear, dumb downed, unoriginal, and uninspired cash grabs.
$25 for a steed? If that is what someone wants to do with their money, then more power to them. To say you wouldn't spend your $25 on a virtual item doesn't mean it wasn't worth it for that person. I spend a crap ton of money on my car. Do I need a 400hp car? Is it even practical? No and no, but I choose to blow my money like that, on something I enjoy.
But I do agree that MMOs seem to be more about the bean counters than the older MMOs.
Debate or criticise Blizzard until your blue in the face, but when your able to bring in large amounts of cash for a simple mount it's no wonder that Blizzard keeps on bringing out such items.
Those that are against it are but a drop in the ocean of ppl that are very willing to spend money on store bought items.
I've never been fussed over items being made available for real cash, I don't buy them as I get everything I want from working within the games limits, but I have no ill feelings towards those that do or Blizzard for making them available, I'm not niave enough to believe Blizzard is going to rest on it's past profits, like all companies it still needs to create more wealth to ensure it's longevitiy within the games market.
True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
So a fool kept silent. Spent his money and confirmed it all at once.
Anyway, what did your post have to do with his post saying they where parted? Did you just want to come back with qoute of your own that had nothing to do with his?
I have some then that have nothing to do with his too.
Don't eat yellow snow.
Don't tug on Superman's cape.
Do you really want to see what comes out of thet hole in the side of the wall in the bathroom stalls?
Oh and WoW is just like GW's now.
How many delicate flowers have you met in Counterstrike?
I got a case of beer and a chainsaw waiting for me at home after work.
True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
proving to him I am a fool? Whatever lol. Please, Anyone who pays $25 for something like this should expect to be ridiculed. It is going to happen regardless if they like the it or not. These items serves no purpose, no function other than showcasing "hey look at me". Majority of people have no use or need for these items, and feel it is in fact a waste of money if it serves no real function or benefit. Only one that benefits from it is the Developers. I for one, do not like Cash Shops, they are the sign that devs are willing to nickel and dime their customers( Champions online, and STO anyone?), because idiots like these are willing to shell out cash willynilly lol.
IF you don't like my opinion too bad, I am going to speak it, you don't have to agree with it, but you will hear it. Cash Shops are merely the sign that MMO's are going to get more expensive, with secondary purchase items, cost of game+ sub fee+ cash shop fees in order to play. Setting cashshops aside for a moment, The worst fact is, MMO's are lately becoming more linear, dumb downed, unoriginal, and uninspired cash grabs.
They may serve no purpose or function to YOU. Those who purchased them obviously disagree. How is it that you feel qualified to speak for the "majority of people"? Are you running for political office next? ^^ Those who purchased them benefit from the enjoyment of them. Thats not for you or I to question. Blizzard obviously benefited as well. Thats a win/win in my book.
I have a feeling all these people with time restrictions in real life are going to mess up the MMO genre as we know it kinda already have. If you don't have time to do things don't complain. Either make time for the games or don't play them, I make time to play games so why can't you? Obviously you think other things are more important and you'd rather spend money on mounts than actually play a game an earn them. Just face it MMO's are time consuming if you dont have the time you're in the wrong genre.
Yeah Im a jerk, but most games now days, are ment for people that can't play for long and its the people who can play that get the short end of the stick every time because we are the minority. Its these casuals that bring in the cashflow as you can see 2 mill in 4 hours is a crazy profit. Blizzard sure did make a game that makes a shitton of money that is for sure, but its just as watered down as a song by some famous pop star.
This is what happens when MMO's sell out people, If more games start doing this type of thing and favor the casuals It looks like I'm going to quit mmos. Games just aren't like how they used to be, people used to say oh wow look at that mount, mad props for all the hard work you did to get it. Now its just like wow look at that mount, oh yeah I just bought one too for me, my brother my little 5 year old sister too.
The problem is these people value time over money, which IMO is a bad thing for games. I bet you that they could make time to play the game but they are just lazy. But they'd rather go spend 25 bucks on a mount instead of actually taking the time to play the game.
Every game should have cash shops, where you can buy everything obtainable in game, including mounts, housing, armor, and weapons. Some people are rich with free time for various reasons, while others have more money than time. If you can "earn" gear and whatnot in game, then go that route. If you can only "earn" gear and whatnot by buying it, then more power to you.
If you don't like having your ego bruised, because someone is more successful than you in real life, so buys their way to victory with money, while you buy your way to victory with more time than any person with a life would have, then play another genre. In the end, a person with cash shop bought items will have to be just as skilled to raid and PvP as those with time bought items.
If she bought a WOW T-shirt, she should feel guilty wearing it because you couldn't buy one?
you are missing the point
It's merchandise, you aren't forced to buy it.
you are missing the point
If someone has the funds to get what most players have the time to get, then so be it.
you are missing the point
My wife is a mom, an employee and a volunteer. She can pull off getting this mount with out being a child living in their parent's basement playing 12 hours a day to get all the cool things.
ok so here is my point..... i hate this game more and more because of this crap because:
it used to be a great game, and EARNING things like mounts gave you a sense of accomplishment. I grinded my ASS off earning money to get my mount, and now they basically just give them away 20 levels lower, or in this case you can just pay real money for it and they give it to you. Where is the challenge in that? How much longer till you can just buy gear off the website and have the upper hand just because you make more money then some of the players?
the game used to be fun untill tons of noobs started whining that everything was too hard... now they just hand you everything on a platter. Including levels.
That is my point, and i do not care if you don't agree with it. I'm sure the fanboi's will just flame away anyways cause they are in denial.
Perhaps try to learn something about how a sucessful business is run instead of hating. People play this game for many different reasons, and Blizzard recognizes this. Allowing an item to be purchased which doesn't affect gameplay is pure genious. I persoanlly won't buy one, but I can easily see the appeal and why it would be popular. Hopefully Blizzard will create a way to further customize your toons (armour dye anyone?).
Every game should have cash shops, where you can buy everything obtainable in game, including mounts, housing, armor, and weapons. Some people are rich with free time for various reasons, while others have more money than time. If you can "earn" gear and whatnot in game, then go that route. If you can only "earn" gear and whatnot by buying it, then more power to you. I couldn't disagree with you more.
If you don't like having your ego bruised, because someone is more successful than you in real life, so buys their way to victory with money, while you buy your way to victory with more time than any person with a life would have, then play another genre. In the end, a person with cash shop bought items will have to be just as skilled to raid and PvP as those with time bought items. Bruised egos have nothing to do with it. I'm personally not struggling financially in any way in RL, but I would never spend a penny on shit like this. If you're buying your stuff in a game, you're not playing for the right reasons. Now that Blizzard is doing it, many developers in the western world are looking at each other and saying "well they do it in WOW, why not?". Expect to see this everywhere in the near future. Eventually it will be something that you think should not be sold in game, and then what are you going to have to say for yourself? Who cares! It will already be too late.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Every game should have cash shops, where you can buy everything obtainable in game, including mounts, housing, armor, and weapons. Some people are rich with free time for various reasons, while others have more money than time. If you can "earn" gear and whatnot in game, then go that route. If you can only "earn" gear and whatnot by buying it, then more power to you. I couldn't disagree with you more.
If you don't like having your ego bruised, because someone is more successful than you in real life, so buys their way to victory with money, while you buy your way to victory with more time than any person with a life would have, then play another genre. In the end, a person with cash shop bought items will have to be just as skilled to raid and PvP as those with time bought items. Bruised egos have nothing to do with it. I'm personally not struggling financially in any way in RL, but I would never spend a penny on shit like this. If you're buying your stuff in a game, you're not playing for the right reasons. Now that Blizzard is doing it, many developers in the western world are looking at each other and saying "well they do it in WOW, why not?". Expect to see this everywhere in the near future. Eventually it will be something that you think should not be sold in game, and then what are you going to have to say for yourself? Who cares! It will already be too late.
I wouldn't care, to be honest. People against cash shops are against them because they won't be special anymore for spending 8 hours straight in a raid, or grinding for months on end for whatever. They won't be able to be all elitist to those with real lifes, but are still skilled players, but just can't commit several hours in a row towards a meaningless game activity.
Everything done in a game is meaningless. Nothing in a game is worth working for, because it's all just pixels. Whether you spend 12 hours grinding for an item, or spend $5 to buy the same item, it's equally not worth it. The only real reason to play a game in my opinion is fun. MMORPG's are light on fun, and heavy on grinds. If a person finds solo questing fun, I doubt they'll buy a max level toon where your only recourse at that level is to raid or PvP. They'll instead solo quest until they run out of quests. If raiding is your thing, you'll find the act of raiding fun, not crafting, or leveling up, or whatever else. So why not buy a max level character, with gear good enough to raid? MMORPG's aren't that hard to learn. You can pick up almost any character and learn the optimal rotations in a matter of an hour. If PvP is what you find fun, why not buy your way to equal footing, instead of spending months and months getting there if you don't have the time to grind?
Why can't cash shops just alleviate the grind associated with MMORPG's? If you still want to grind, then more power to you. A person buying their way to what they find fun shouldn't have any impact on what you find fun, unless you're playing for the wrong reasons, such as elitism, showing off, bragging rights, and so on.
If and when I am no longer pleased with the genre, I'll leave it for something else. That's the problem with most of you. You have nothing worth committing time to in your life, so you fear losing the one thing that ties up all your free time: MMORPG's. You're not willing to just walk away, so instead come of the forums and crusade for what you think is the "proper way to do business, run a MMORPG, and how to create a MMORPG."
MMORPG's is just for fun. It's not productive in life, it's meaningless. So from my point of view, you're all taking this way too seriously. You're all worried about them charging you for everything, and if they do? So what! Just don't play anymore, but I bet there'll always be a grindier way to obtain the same items.
The way I see it, most of the "no cash shop" players are hardcore elitists who want to run the casual market out of the genre. A market consisting of real people, leading real lives, who have responsibilities, families, friends, and other social obligations or things to do, and think wasting your life in front of a computer screen is just that: wasting your life. So if cash shops become more prevelant and run the hardcore elitist jerks out of the MMORPG genre, making the genre more about fun once again, then I'd be happier for it. It'd be nice to play dungeons and raids without the focus being on getting gear, and instead just be about fun. Who do you think are the elitist people excluding people from raids, worried more about getting the next tier of gear than making friends, and advocating for long raid times and grinder advancement paths? It's not the casual players, and it's not the people buying items from cash shops. It's the players advocating to be better than other people, because they can spend more time in a game than a person with a real life.
It's not about being special or whatever self-esteem remnant you seem to have sustained from some past "elite" griefer/hardcore24hGamer. If it's P2P everyone should be on equal footing with respect to what's available to them in game for their sub money.
The bottom line: when you pay a monthly sub for an MMO, you shouldn't be charged for or have the option of purchasing anything else with the exception of expansions or actual box/download cost. Otherwise what's the point of even paying a sub.
A cash grab is a cash grab no matter how pretty you dress it.
This is a shameful time in Blizzard's rather impressive history.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Yesterday, Blizzard announced two new additions to their Blizzard Pet Store, a new "Celestial Steed" flying mount, something that has never been sold on the Blizzard store before, and a "Lil XT" companion pet. The real story here is the flying mount, which even while running a steep $25 a pop, managed to generate $2 million in sales over a four hour period.
i Literally threw up in my mouth after reading that.... It just goes to show you how greedy and dispicable MMO game companies have become... 10 years ago something like this would never have happened.. If a company even tried setting up a in game store to purchase virtual goods, that company most likely wouldn't be around anymore...
10 years ago I played UO and then went to EQ... Back then it was the other way around.. People including myself worked hard day and night for years to become rich enough in the game that allowed us to sell virtual items for a nice piece of pie... Now, back then the whole, "paying to play a game online" wasn't really accepted and some of us like myself saw a way to get some of our money back...
Well, it's bad enough we have to pay 10-15 dollars a month to play a game, so we felt since were basically selling our time and money spent in the game to get a little back that it was alright....
Well, nowadays companies like SOE and now Blizzard still look down and frown upon those who try to make a little money at their expense.. They get us back by hooking us into their wonderland game and while hooked they come up with something like this that they know will,,, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE AN ADDICTED GAMER TO GO OUT AND PURCHAS A VIRTUAL REALITY ITEM THEY CREATED!! That's just wrong and dispicable!!! The stupid celestial steed should either be a rare epic drop from a end game boss or an epic quest... Charging people 25 dollars for the steed is highway robbery and makes me sick!!
I'm so glad I'm not addicted to WoW or any other MMO game that would make me pay real life money for an item in game..
These people are already paying 15 dollars to play your game.. 15 dollars times 10 million people a month equals 150,000,000.... For those of you who don't know how much money that is, it's a hundred and fifty million dollars a month they are making off of you.... And the game still looks like garbage and plays like garbage.. Seriously thats 1.8 billion dollars revenue a year..
For them to charge 25 dollars for any existing virtual reality item in their game is practically stealing from their fanbase and should be illegal... Wow unbelievable.....
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
So what are you going to do next week when they release the "Celestial steed with a gold saddle" ?
And the week after that i heard they are releasing the "Celestial Steed with gold saddle and woolly legwarmers".
Where does it end ?
I like your ideas, may I subscribe to your news letter? ^^ After the gold saddle and wooly legwarmers, comes the one with bows in their mane and tail, and flashing blue eyes ^^
Yesterday, Blizzard announced two new additions to their Blizzard Pet Store, a new "Celestial Steed" flying mount, something that has never been sold on the Blizzard store before, and a "Lil XT" companion pet. The real story here is the flying mount, which even while running a steep $25 a pop, managed to generate $2 million in sales over a four hour period.
i Literally threw up in my mouth after reading that.... It just goes to show you how greedy and dispicable MMO game companies have become... 10 years ago something like this would never have happened.. If a company even tried setting up a in game store to purchase virtual goods, that company most likely wouldn't be around anymore...
10 years ago I played UO and then went to EQ... Back then it was the other way around.. People including myself worked hard day and night for years to become rich enough in the game that allowed us to sell virtual items for a nice piece of pie... Now, back then the whole, "paying to play a game online" wasn't really accepted and some of us like myself saw a way to get some of our money back...
Well, it's bad enough we have to pay 10-15 dollars a month to play a game, so we felt since were basically selling our time and money spent in the game to get a little back that it was alright....
Well, nowadays companies like SOE and now Blizzard still look down and frown upon those who try to make a little money at their expense.. They get us back by hooking us into their wonderland game and while hooked they come up with something like this that they know will,,, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE AN ADDICTED GAMER TO GO OUT AND PURCHAS A VIRTUAL REALITY ITEM THEY CREATED!! That's just wrong and dispicable!!! The stupid celestial steed should either be a rare epic drop from a end game boss or an epic quest... Charging people 25 dollars for the steed is highway robbery and makes me sick!!
I'm so glad I'm not addicted to WoW or any other MMO game that would make me pay real life money for an item in game..
These people are already paying 15 dollars to play your game.. 15 dollars times 10 million people a month equals 150,000,000.... For those of you who don't know how much money that is, it's a hundred and fifty million dollars a month they are making off of you.... And the game still looks like garbage and plays like garbage.. Seriously thats 1.8 billion dollars revenue a year..
For them to charge 25 dollars for any existing virtual reality item in their game is practically stealing from their fanbase and should be illegal... Wow unbelievable.....
"Make them pay"?? How in the world did you arrive at that wild eyed fallacy? NO ONE is being made/forced to pay for anything from the item shop. Yes, WoW makes Blizzard around a billion dollars a year(Asians have a pay model than the west does), simply by providing their subscribers(customers) with the service that they remain subscribed to. Isn't capitalism wonderful? ^^
As for your last... Thats the typical knee jerk reaction of the thoughtless. Getting our Dear Leaders involved in just about anything is a certain path to totally messing it up. Thanks, but we don't need any more of that around here.
Not in the least. The number they have sold demonstrates that there is a market, hence they are simply supplying that. Profit IS after all the name of the game in business. All this nonsense about "greed" and "loss of integrity" obviously comes from people who either haven't thought things through, and/or whose ideology has blinded them to reality.
Ah, but my good friend, the only thing that stands between 'The Ideal' and 'Reality' are those who lack the foresight to share in that ideology, or the integrity to see it through.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men." Samuel L. Jackson
If one is grounded in reality, then one understands the limitations imposed by ideology. "Sharing" ones ideology has been tried many times before... The words crusade/jihad come to mind... None are so blind as those who have deluded themselves into believing that they are righteous. Endless tyranny results from such perspectives, for it usually translates to the ends justfiying the means used to achieve them.
Every game should have cash shops, where you can buy everything obtainable in game, including mounts, housing, armor, and weapons. Some people are rich with free time for various reasons, while others have more money than time. If you can "earn" gear and whatnot in game, then go that route. If you can only "earn" gear and whatnot by buying it, then more power to you. I couldn't disagree with you more.
If you don't like having your ego bruised, because someone is more successful than you in real life, so buys their way to victory with money, while you buy your way to victory with more time than any person with a life would have, then play another genre. In the end, a person with cash shop bought items will have to be just as skilled to raid and PvP as those with time bought items. Bruised egos have nothing to do with it. I'm personally not struggling financially in any way in RL, but I would never spend a penny on shit like this. If you're buying your stuff in a game, you're not playing for the right reasons. Now that Blizzard is doing it, many developers in the western world are looking at each other and saying "well they do it in WOW, why not?". Expect to see this everywhere in the near future. Eventually it will be something that you think should not be sold in game, and then what are you going to have to say for yourself? Who cares! It will already be too late.
So, just what are the "right reasons" to be playing? You do realize I hope, that your reasons are valid only for you? You would hardly be the first(nor the last...) to proclaim that The End Of The World As We Know It is drawing near, because of the horrible example that WoW is setting in the world at large. But some how, the market just keeps expanding, and new games keep getting developed, none the less.
Funny I never use item shops, even in the f2p games that I play, yet I really don't see a problem with this.
For the people hung up on the greed and integrity, remember this is a business to make money. It is essentially a fluff item, it does not give you anything that you can't get in game. Personally I would not be caught dead with the item, but I would never criticize anyone who bought it.
Funny I never use item shops, even in the f2p games that I play, yet I really don't see a problem with this.
For the people hung up on the greed and integrity, remember this is a business to make money. It is essentially a fluff item, it does not give you anything that you can't get in game. Personally I would not be caught dead with the item, but I would never criticize anyone who bought it.
Yes, and like most slimeball businesses they will push the limits of morality, legality, and humanity to make that money, which is why its up to the customers to decide when enough is enough. This "QQing" thats going on? Thats the sound of "enough is fucking enough". People have been complaining about RMT for years, but as long as its a "business" doing it and not some chinese gold farmer, hey I guess its all ok right 8D!?
This isn't about people going "boo I can't afford that mount, so you shouldn't have it either" this about them not wanting to go "Gee, I can't wait to spend $10 so I can increase my level cap by 1, only $200 more before I can unlock the final level!" Two months down the line.
Yes, and like most slimeball businesses they will push the limits of morality, legality, and humanity to make that money, which is why its up to the customers to decide when enough is enough. This "QQing" thats going on? Thats the sound of "enough is fucking enough". People have been complaining about RMT for years, but as long as its a "business" doing it and not some chinese gold farmer, hey I guess its all ok right 8D!?
This isn't about people going "boo I can't afford that mount, so you shouldn't have it either" this about them not wanting to go "Gee, I can't wait to spend $10 so I can increase my level cap by 1, only $200 more before I can unlock the final level!" Two months down the line.
Amen to that. Exactly right.
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Funny I never use item shops, even in the f2p games that I play, yet I really don't see a problem with this.
For the people hung up on the greed and integrity, remember this is a business to make money. It is essentially a fluff item, it does not give you anything that you can't get in game. Personally I would not be caught dead with the item, but I would never criticize anyone who bought it.
i agree with ya to some extent. being a fluff item its practically useless. but it marks you as a cashshop idiot. BUt god forbid they sell geared items that give you stats similar to what is in game. then thats a whole other ball game. to those who figure "i have a real life, cant sit for x number of hours,so I'll buy my way into a game with a high leveled geared toon, or that special epic item for $50." my take on it, if you cant commit some decent time to a MMO, then you dont need to play go find something else less "time consuming". its that simple.
I have a real life, I have a job and money, but I find the time to play MMO's to relax, and have fun, and socialize and immerse myself in the fantasy that the game gives me. Buying your way into the game completely defeats the point of playing a game if your not earning the accomplishments yourself. As long as its fluff items i think we dont have much to worry about, but, knowing the greed behind activision as of late, and how other developers will eventually follow suit. I wouldnt put it past them to start pushing xp potions, health pots, and other various "upgrades" to enhance people's playtime by just pulling out your credit card. it does more dmg than it benefits in the long term. Realize majority of players do not like cash shops, there is a stigma attached to them and there will continue to be a stigma attached to them. My beef is If im paying $50 for the game, then $15 for the sub fee, I shouldnt have to worry about simpleton pulling out his credit card and buying his way through the game.
Want a reminder of cashshops slowly trickling out of control, take Champions online, and star trek online. So far with STO majority of the updates have been C-store updates lol, no decent content updates, or patch fixes. Then again this is considering that STO can even be considered a true MMO, given how crappy it is.
Just my take on the matter, and my opinion. as i said majority of players dont like it, its the simpletons who want to have their cake and eat it too that ruin it for all us who take the time to enjoy and savor the game.
find another hobby and interest.
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Funny I never use item shops, even in the f2p games that I play, yet I really don't see a problem with this.
For the people hung up on the greed and integrity, remember this is a business to make money. It is essentially a fluff item, it does not give you anything that you can't get in game. Personally I would not be caught dead with the item, but I would never criticize anyone who bought it.
Yes, and like most slimeball businesses they will push the limits of morality, legality, and humanity to make that money, which is why its up to the customers to decide when enough is enough. This "QQing" thats going on? Thats the sound of "enough is fucking enough". People have been complaining about RMT for years, but as long as its a "business" doing it and not some chinese gold farmer, hey I guess its all ok right 8D!?
This isn't about people going "boo I can't afford that mount, so you shouldn't have it either" this about them not wanting to go "Gee, I can't wait to spend $10 so I can increase my level cap by 1, only $200 more before I can unlock the final level!" Two months down the line.
Really? This much emotions over a game? They are not selling tainted milk to babies or trafficking in humans. It's something meaningless you can buy on the internet which doesn't even exist except electronically. There is absolutely nothing immoral, illegal or inhumane about this at all, unless you choose to buy this instead of feeding a starving baby for a week...
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It's only $25, grats...
So what are you going to do next week when they release the "Celestial steed with a gold saddle" ?
And the week after that i heard they are releasing the "Celestial Steed with gold saddle and woolly legwarmers".
Where does it end ?
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It ends when a person decides not to buy the next thing from the store. Is that so hard?
Ah, but my good friend, the only thing that stands between 'The Ideal' and 'Reality' are those who lack the foresight to share in that ideology, or the integrity to see it through.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men." Samuel L. Jackson
They may serve no purpose or function to YOU. Those who purchased them obviously disagree. How is it that you feel qualified to speak for the "majority of people"? Are you running for political office next? ^^ Those who purchased them benefit from the enjoyment of them. Thats not for you or I to question. Blizzard obviously benefited as well. Thats a win/win in my book.
$25 for a steed? If that is what someone wants to do with their money, then more power to them. To say you wouldn't spend your $25 on a virtual item doesn't mean it wasn't worth it for that person. I spend a crap ton of money on my car. Do I need a 400hp car? Is it even practical? No and no, but I choose to blow my money like that, on something I enjoy.
But I do agree that MMOs seem to be more about the bean counters than the older MMOs.
Debate or criticise Blizzard until your blue in the face, but when your able to bring in large amounts of cash for a simple mount it's no wonder that Blizzard keeps on bringing out such items.
Those that are against it are but a drop in the ocean of ppl that are very willing to spend money on store bought items.
I've never been fussed over items being made available for real cash, I don't buy them as I get everything I want from working within the games limits, but I have no ill feelings towards those that do or Blizzard for making them available, I'm not niave enough to believe Blizzard is going to rest on it's past profits, like all companies it still needs to create more wealth to ensure it's longevitiy within the games market.
So a fool kept silent. Spent his money and confirmed it all at once.
Anyway, what did your post have to do with his post saying they where parted? Did you just want to come back with qoute of your own that had nothing to do with his?
I have some then that have nothing to do with his too.
Don't eat yellow snow.
Don't tug on Superman's cape.
Do you really want to see what comes out of thet hole in the side of the wall in the bathroom stalls?
Oh and WoW is just like GW's now.
How many delicate flowers have you met in Counterstrike?
I got a case of beer and a chainsaw waiting for me at home after work.
Totally agree with you there.
Every game should have cash shops, where you can buy everything obtainable in game, including mounts, housing, armor, and weapons. Some people are rich with free time for various reasons, while others have more money than time. If you can "earn" gear and whatnot in game, then go that route. If you can only "earn" gear and whatnot by buying it, then more power to you.
If you don't like having your ego bruised, because someone is more successful than you in real life, so buys their way to victory with money, while you buy your way to victory with more time than any person with a life would have, then play another genre. In the end, a person with cash shop bought items will have to be just as skilled to raid and PvP as those with time bought items.
Perhaps try to learn something about how a sucessful business is run instead of hating. People play this game for many different reasons, and Blizzard recognizes this. Allowing an item to be purchased which doesn't affect gameplay is pure genious. I persoanlly won't buy one, but I can easily see the appeal and why it would be popular. Hopefully Blizzard will create a way to further customize your toons (armour dye anyone?).
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I wouldn't care, to be honest. People against cash shops are against them because they won't be special anymore for spending 8 hours straight in a raid, or grinding for months on end for whatever. They won't be able to be all elitist to those with real lifes, but are still skilled players, but just can't commit several hours in a row towards a meaningless game activity.
Everything done in a game is meaningless. Nothing in a game is worth working for, because it's all just pixels. Whether you spend 12 hours grinding for an item, or spend $5 to buy the same item, it's equally not worth it. The only real reason to play a game in my opinion is fun. MMORPG's are light on fun, and heavy on grinds. If a person finds solo questing fun, I doubt they'll buy a max level toon where your only recourse at that level is to raid or PvP. They'll instead solo quest until they run out of quests. If raiding is your thing, you'll find the act of raiding fun, not crafting, or leveling up, or whatever else. So why not buy a max level character, with gear good enough to raid? MMORPG's aren't that hard to learn. You can pick up almost any character and learn the optimal rotations in a matter of an hour. If PvP is what you find fun, why not buy your way to equal footing, instead of spending months and months getting there if you don't have the time to grind?
Why can't cash shops just alleviate the grind associated with MMORPG's? If you still want to grind, then more power to you. A person buying their way to what they find fun shouldn't have any impact on what you find fun, unless you're playing for the wrong reasons, such as elitism, showing off, bragging rights, and so on.
If and when I am no longer pleased with the genre, I'll leave it for something else. That's the problem with most of you. You have nothing worth committing time to in your life, so you fear losing the one thing that ties up all your free time: MMORPG's. You're not willing to just walk away, so instead come of the forums and crusade for what you think is the "proper way to do business, run a MMORPG, and how to create a MMORPG."
MMORPG's is just for fun. It's not productive in life, it's meaningless. So from my point of view, you're all taking this way too seriously. You're all worried about them charging you for everything, and if they do? So what! Just don't play anymore, but I bet there'll always be a grindier way to obtain the same items.
The way I see it, most of the "no cash shop" players are hardcore elitists who want to run the casual market out of the genre. A market consisting of real people, leading real lives, who have responsibilities, families, friends, and other social obligations or things to do, and think wasting your life in front of a computer screen is just that: wasting your life. So if cash shops become more prevelant and run the hardcore elitist jerks out of the MMORPG genre, making the genre more about fun once again, then I'd be happier for it. It'd be nice to play dungeons and raids without the focus being on getting gear, and instead just be about fun. Who do you think are the elitist people excluding people from raids, worried more about getting the next tier of gear than making friends, and advocating for long raid times and grinder advancement paths? It's not the casual players, and it's not the people buying items from cash shops. It's the players advocating to be better than other people, because they can spend more time in a game than a person with a real life.
It's not about being special or whatever self-esteem remnant you seem to have sustained from some past "elite" griefer/hardcore24hGamer. If it's P2P everyone should be on equal footing with respect to what's available to them in game for their sub money.
The bottom line: when you pay a monthly sub for an MMO, you shouldn't be charged for or have the option of purchasing anything else with the exception of expansions or actual box/download cost. Otherwise what's the point of even paying a sub.
A cash grab is a cash grab no matter how pretty you dress it.
This is a shameful time in Blizzard's rather impressive history.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Yesterday, Blizzard announced two new additions to their Blizzard Pet Store, a new "Celestial Steed" flying mount, something that has never been sold on the Blizzard store before, and a "Lil XT" companion pet. The real story here is the flying mount, which even while running a steep $25 a pop, managed to generate $2 million in sales over a four hour period.
i Literally threw up in my mouth after reading that.... It just goes to show you how greedy and dispicable MMO game companies have become... 10 years ago something like this would never have happened.. If a company even tried setting up a in game store to purchase virtual goods, that company most likely wouldn't be around anymore...
10 years ago I played UO and then went to EQ... Back then it was the other way around.. People including myself worked hard day and night for years to become rich enough in the game that allowed us to sell virtual items for a nice piece of pie... Now, back then the whole, "paying to play a game online" wasn't really accepted and some of us like myself saw a way to get some of our money back...
Well, it's bad enough we have to pay 10-15 dollars a month to play a game, so we felt since were basically selling our time and money spent in the game to get a little back that it was alright....
Well, nowadays companies like SOE and now Blizzard still look down and frown upon those who try to make a little money at their expense.. They get us back by hooking us into their wonderland game and while hooked they come up with something like this that they know will,,, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE AN ADDICTED GAMER TO GO OUT AND PURCHAS A VIRTUAL REALITY ITEM THEY CREATED!! That's just wrong and dispicable!!! The stupid celestial steed should either be a rare epic drop from a end game boss or an epic quest... Charging people 25 dollars for the steed is highway robbery and makes me sick!!
I'm so glad I'm not addicted to WoW or any other MMO game that would make me pay real life money for an item in game..
These people are already paying 15 dollars to play your game.. 15 dollars times 10 million people a month equals 150,000,000.... For those of you who don't know how much money that is, it's a hundred and fifty million dollars a month they are making off of you.... And the game still looks like garbage and plays like garbage.. Seriously thats 1.8 billion dollars revenue a year..
For them to charge 25 dollars for any existing virtual reality item in their game is practically stealing from their fanbase and should be illegal... Wow unbelievable.....
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I like your ideas, may I subscribe to your news letter? ^^ After the gold saddle and wooly legwarmers, comes the one with bows in their mane and tail, and flashing blue eyes ^^
"Make them pay"?? How in the world did you arrive at that wild eyed fallacy? NO ONE is being made/forced to pay for anything from the item shop. Yes, WoW makes Blizzard around a billion dollars a year(Asians have a pay model than the west does), simply by providing their subscribers(customers) with the service that they remain subscribed to. Isn't capitalism wonderful? ^^
As for your last... Thats the typical knee jerk reaction of the thoughtless. Getting our Dear Leaders involved in just about anything is a certain path to totally messing it up. Thanks, but we don't need any more of that around here.
If one is grounded in reality, then one understands the limitations imposed by ideology. "Sharing" ones ideology has been tried many times before... The words crusade/jihad come to mind... None are so blind as those who have deluded themselves into believing that they are righteous. Endless tyranny results from such perspectives, for it usually translates to the ends justfiying the means used to achieve them.
So, just what are the "right reasons" to be playing? You do realize I hope, that your reasons are valid only for you? You would hardly be the first(nor the last...) to proclaim that The End Of The World As We Know It is drawing near, because of the horrible example that WoW is setting in the world at large. But some how, the market just keeps expanding, and new games keep getting developed, none the less.
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Funny I never use item shops, even in the f2p games that I play, yet I really don't see a problem with this.
For the people hung up on the greed and integrity, remember this is a business to make money. It is essentially a fluff item, it does not give you anything that you can't get in game. Personally I would not be caught dead with the item, but I would never criticize anyone who bought it.
Yes, and like most slimeball businesses they will push the limits of morality, legality, and humanity to make that money, which is why its up to the customers to decide when enough is enough. This "QQing" thats going on? Thats the sound of "enough is fucking enough". People have been complaining about RMT for years, but as long as its a "business" doing it and not some chinese gold farmer, hey I guess its all ok right 8D!?
This isn't about people going "boo I can't afford that mount, so you shouldn't have it either" this about them not wanting to go "Gee, I can't wait to spend $10 so I can increase my level cap by 1, only $200 more before I can unlock the final level!" Two months down the line.
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Amen to that. Exactly right.
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i agree with ya to some extent. being a fluff item its practically useless. but it marks you as a cashshop idiot. BUt god forbid they sell geared items that give you stats similar to what is in game. then thats a whole other ball game. to those who figure "i have a real life, cant sit for x number of hours,so I'll buy my way into a game with a high leveled geared toon, or that special epic item for $50." my take on it, if you cant commit some decent time to a MMO, then you dont need to play go find something else less "time consuming". its that simple.
I have a real life, I have a job and money, but I find the time to play MMO's to relax, and have fun, and socialize and immerse myself in the fantasy that the game gives me. Buying your way into the game completely defeats the point of playing a game if your not earning the accomplishments yourself. As long as its fluff items i think we dont have much to worry about, but, knowing the greed behind activision as of late, and how other developers will eventually follow suit. I wouldnt put it past them to start pushing xp potions, health pots, and other various "upgrades" to enhance people's playtime by just pulling out your credit card. it does more dmg than it benefits in the long term. Realize majority of players do not like cash shops, there is a stigma attached to them and there will continue to be a stigma attached to them. My beef is If im paying $50 for the game, then $15 for the sub fee, I shouldnt have to worry about simpleton pulling out his credit card and buying his way through the game.
Want a reminder of cashshops slowly trickling out of control, take Champions online, and star trek online. So far with STO majority of the updates have been C-store updates lol, no decent content updates, or patch fixes. Then again this is considering that STO can even be considered a true MMO, given how crappy it is.
Just my take on the matter, and my opinion. as i said majority of players dont like it, its the simpletons who want to have their cake and eat it too that ruin it for all us who take the time to enjoy and savor the game.
find another hobby and interest.
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Really? This much emotions over a game? They are not selling tainted milk to babies or trafficking in humans. It's something meaningless you can buy on the internet which doesn't even exist except electronically. There is absolutely nothing immoral, illegal or inhumane about this at all, unless you choose to buy this instead of feeding a starving baby for a week...