I don't care that much about graphics as long as the rest is not bad. It's not bad in my opinion from what I can see from the videos. If it turns out that it has 1-2 seconds delays when using your abilities, then I would be very dissapointing. But it looks nice in the videos so this is probably my next MMORPG. I am kind of tired of the games out there at the moment, so I have no problems waiting a year or whenever it's released.
I'm not saying it, but someone could make such argument, which is sad in itself.
Is it good enough after 6 (7) years of technical advancement? Frankly, not even close.
How can someone make such an argument, and expect people to take them seriously?
I think it fits the game just fine, in terms of GFX and art style. The graphics themselves are a little plain in the character models, regardless of that, the armor, clothing, droids, landscapes ETC seem to be quite detailed (at this stage) as well as the animations being quite smooth. Don't forget the images we've seen have been early renditions, which most likely means they're lacking a lot the post production FX we're accustomed to seeing.
It's also quite hard to make a final judgement when what we're seeing isn't final. Anyone notice the saber hilts have been gradually getting smaller? The first we saw of them, they were huge and they acknowledged this. Claiming they would get smaller over the course of development. Which they have.
I think people forget that when they're building a game, they hardly ever work in an environment where they have everything running. Especially when they make the tech videos we've been seeing. If I were them at this stage I'd be worried about the animations, I'd just make a tube for a saber to use as a place-holder. Over time that same tube would become a saber, with all the lighting FX's that follow. Only then would I start resizing the model, as it's much easier to add detail when your model is larger. I guess the average person dosen't think about these things though.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I wish my standards were that low, too. And if they really would get much better, why show a half-assed build now? The changes aren't going to be anything massive, or there would be no reason showing us the current build. It gives some direction as to how things will be, and really, it does look bad for an alpha. It's not an excuse.
Hopefully the gameplay makes up for it.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
one thing overly dissapointing about this game so far is the look and feel from the gameplay. Im not into over realism but the character models seem to have no attraction to me at all.
the latest combat videos just makes me want to vomit.
so , just out of curiosity i am wondering what everyone else thinks of the graphics swtor/biowar is gonna put out. Personally, im teetering on not buying based on the character models alone, i mean , to me, they are just extremely ugly and the lightsabers literally look like a raver's glow stick...just not impressed so far. i just expected more from bioware's art department.
the landscapes look amazing, but the characters imo look horribly rendered and even more horribly designed.
curious on other's thoughts.
I don't think that TOR is made to attract the original fans, those who are 30+ but to attract those who are 12-20.
If you think about it everything makes sense.
It attracts ME just fine, and I'm an old bastage. Thing is, as I've said, the game is meant to look like an updated KOTOR.
I find it odd that everyone has always RAVED about KOTOR (and well they should) but NOW they have an issue with the way it looks??
methinks people are whining for the sake of whining.
I wish my standards were that low, too. And if they really would get much better, why show a half-assed build now? The changes aren't going to be anything massive, or there would be no reason showing us the current build. It gives some direction as to how things will be, and really, it does look bad for an alpha. It's not an excuse.
Hopefully the gameplay makes up for it.
Low standards? LOL okay...
Anyway, most likely because they're not showing off graphics they're showing off other things, like combat animations.
Looks bad for an alpha LOL? Okay...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I wish my standards were that low, too. And if they really would get much better, why show a half-assed build now? The changes aren't going to be anything massive, or there would be no reason showing us the current build. It gives some direction as to how things will be, and really, it does look bad for an alpha. It's not an excuse.
Hopefully the gameplay makes up for it.
You'd know about low standards, being a fan of final fantasy games.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I like the odd final fantasy as much as the next guy, but they are hardly 'high standard' games.
JRPG's need an update.
Plus there was a thread you started a while back entitled something like 'Cmon, its star wars?!' As in you didn't understand the hype, and said that they'd be better off making a muppets MMO. So, is development on final fantasy so slow that you have to bring your 'standards' over here? Hmm?
That wasn't you above, my mistake. I get my trolls mixed up sometimes lol.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
Its not the graphics I have a beef with. The artistic style of the human characters. Just don't like the look of em. If I happen to buy the game I'l definitely not play as human.
So ok, Luke Skywalker looked like a damn muppet head, and now Bioware thinks we find the character models attractive the way are.
From what I've seen over the years, games that rely heavily on graphics tend to suck terribly both from poor game play and performance. So I have to wonder why people still have such unrealistic standards for MMORPGs? If this was a single player game, I could easily understand why someone would be concerned about it not having state of the art graphics; but, it's not, so there won't be Age of Conan style graphics; because, though that might seem appealing aesthetically it only makes up a tiny fraction of the game itself.
I can agree that the face models could use some refining; but, the game still is at least a year away from release. A lot can be changed in a year. I see all of these concerns being delivered daily in the suggestion box on the SWTOR site; so, I don't feel there is a need for people to have a panic attack over trivial details this early on.
At least I haven't seen anyone threaten to burn their house down and move to Canada if they don't conform the game to their demands yet.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
one thing overly dissapointing about this game so far is the look and feel from the gameplay. Im not into over realism but the character models seem to have no attraction to me at all.
the latest combat videos just makes me want to vomit.
so , just out of curiosity i am wondering what everyone else thinks of the graphics swtor/biowar is gonna put out. Personally, im teetering on not buying based on the character models alone, i mean , to me, they are just extremely ugly and the lightsabers literally look like a raver's glow stick...just not impressed so far. i just expected more from bioware's art department.
the landscapes look amazing, but the characters imo look horribly rendered and even more horribly designed.
curious on other's thoughts.
You are posting on a flamers forumn, 32 and growing up on star wars not sure you are really old enough. The Game Engine they are using is a joy to behold and the flexibility with respect to charachters is unlimited with respect to options and ability to morph charachter elements.
That said an Avatar is an Avatar , the current graphics are absolutely fine. Content Gameplay and depth are what will project this game to the Top.
You will get lots of people agreeing with your statement because that is what these forumns are about 'Hate'. Now we can sit back and read a minorities replies on how bad the World is. I am sure you can all outdo each other.
Let the amusements begin.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
The Development Cycle is exactly spot on. What makes you thing it is taking too long ?
Maybe they want something that will have more than 2 weeks gameplay to end game....
With the content that has been released , It appears they kniow exactly what they want and ammusingly people on this type of Forumn will go into meltdown based on the fact that SWTOR will not pander to a bunch of miscreants.
Get a life go do something constructive , expecting more than a log on will give you an ulcer. Enjoy the Story Bioware release and enjoy when the game releases anything els and you will be deluding yourself and lining yourself up for a fall.
My current Stance:
I like the Star Wars franchise (not a fanatic)
I like MMOs where you have to play the game and longevity is key (not bothered about instant gratification , been there done it I now want to have fun at my own pace.)
I followed Heros Journey and the flexibility the engine had and great example of fluid gameplay , can be seen. This factors accross to the landscapes in SWTOR (same engine , with lots of enhancements)
The cost of the box will be worth it as a single player with storyline(Win win situation I will gert my monies worth, and on top of that a great MMO, I really hope the choices in game really impact players so that people who are not playing screw their charachters over big time. This is important for the longevity and uniqeness of charachters in game.)
The Collateral and stories being released free of charge by Bioware are a good read and free ( Again Bioware/Lucas Arts thanks guys for the free read and information)
Am I going to get all frustrated and angry? (Nope whats the point, I currently have a number of excelent games to play, and plenty to do in my spare time, including laughing at people self imploding on these forumns)
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I suppose the characters and animations could be better (and they might become better before release), but they look good enough for me. Dont really mind the toony look of it either, but everyones taste is different.
Im more interested in more solid information about the game, but I'll wait and see what pops up.
welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
What the hell are you talking about? This game has been under development for at least 4 years. You really need to learn patience. I'd rather they get the game right, than have it come out prematurely. The premature release is why most of the new MMO's suck.
welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
What I have noticed is that the games dev cycle has been no longer than that of other successful AAA mmo's and let's not forget that this game was for years prior the industries best kept yet most known secret with some posters on this site going so far as to dumpster dive and find early art work for the game, once that news began circulating it still took Bioware somewhere around a year to announce officially they were doing an mmo.
We all know graphics fall into the category of "art" and different people will have different opinions mine is that the graphics look fine, I haven't dissected all the videos out but I don't feel the need to when I saw the art for Champions online which I didn't like I had a reason to investigate further but I liked what I've seen of TOR and also trust in Biowares abilities.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
one thing overly dissapointing about this game so far is the look and feel from the gameplay. Im not into over realism but the character models seem to have no attraction to me at all.
the latest combat videos just makes me want to vomit.
so , just out of curiosity i am wondering what everyone else thinks of the graphics swtor/biowar is gonna put out. Personally, im teetering on not buying based on the character models alone, i mean , to me, they are just extremely ugly and the lightsabers literally look like a raver's glow stick...just not impressed so far. i just expected more from bioware's art department.
the landscapes look amazing, but the characters imo look horribly rendered and even more horribly designed.
curious on other's thoughts.
I'm just going to have to disagree. I think going with a more comic book / KotoR style of graphics looks better. I also think it'll give more room for customization which I think is more important than trying to look realistic. Try to look too real and you either limit player choices of looks or you mess with proportions to the point it looks hideous (Vangaurd and EQ2 are good examples of this). I'm not sure what everyone finds wrong with the lightsabers either.. They're gaudy handles with a ranged bit of light emitting plasma sticking out. Looks pretty spot on to me.
Now some of the models from the old stuff looked a bit boxy, but over the last year that seems to have improved. It's a touch stylized but I think considering the setting and that it's a video game I think it's a nice medium between real enough, the Clone Wars toons, and comic inspired rendering.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
What graphics are you looking for then? Lotro, WoW, SWG, EQ2, GW, DAoC.
The graphics look good to me, they look like they are aiming for a low to mid range PC, a damn good move if they are because why would you want to price your game out of the reach of the market?
The graphics definately aren't as cartoony as WoW but they do have that feel to them, I never had an issue with WoWs graphics in fact I really haven't had that much porblem with nearly every MMO's graphics over the years, I still go back to EQ1 now and then to check it out and have a play again, graphics does not make a good game, it just enhances the experience, MUDs proved you don't need graphics to have a good game.
I tend never to judge a game by the vids I've seen posted, they always look some damn cluncky, yet when your in the game it's like the vid you saw was from a totally different game, there just ins't any comparision to actually being in the game itself than relying on watching a vid to see what your getting.
welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
What graphics are you looking for then? Lotro, WoW, SWG, EQ2, GW, DAoC.
The graphics look good to me, they look like they are aiming for a low to mid range PC, a damn good move if they are because why would you want to price your game out of the reach of the market?
The graphics definately aren't as cartoony as WoW but they do have that feel to them, I never had an issue with WoWs graphics in fact I really haven't had that much porblem with nearly every MMO's graphics over the years, I still go back to EQ1 now and then to check it out and have a play again, graphics does not make a good game, it just enhances the experience, MUDs proved you don't need graphics to have a good game.
I tend never to judge a game by the vids I've seen posted, they always look some damn cluncky, yet when your in the game it's like the vid you saw was from a totally different game, there just ins't any comparision to actually being in the game itself than relying on watching a vid to see what your getting.
You only have to look at AoC and Aion to see whats possible graphic wise, and those games arent even all that new... even WoW is finally doing something about their outdated graphics, when you see the graphics of ME 2 and DA:Origins, really have to wonder why TOR doesnt look a lot better.. maybe graphics isnt the most important part of a game, but it is the bit that you notice first.
welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
What graphics are you looking for then? Lotro, WoW, SWG, EQ2, GW, DAoC.
The graphics look good to me, they look like they are aiming for a low to mid range PC, a damn good move if they are because why would you want to price your game out of the reach of the market?
The graphics definately aren't as cartoony as WoW but they do have that feel to them, I never had an issue with WoWs graphics in fact I really haven't had that much porblem with nearly every MMO's graphics over the years, I still go back to EQ1 now and then to check it out and have a play again, graphics does not make a good game, it just enhances the experience, MUDs proved you don't need graphics to have a good game.
I tend never to judge a game by the vids I've seen posted, they always look some damn cluncky, yet when your in the game it's like the vid you saw was from a totally different game, there just ins't any comparision to actually being in the game itself than relying on watching a vid to see what your getting.
1. LOTRO, half finished graphics that just don't look quite right. There's no advancement in these graphics from any of the older games.
2. SWG, OLD game. The graphics weren't that great in that game. In fact, EQ2 was better.
3. WoW is major cartoon appearance. It looks like Saturday morning kids shows.
4. EQ2, I'm fine with their graphics, but I'm quite willing to admit that their graphics style and design is old and outdated.
5. GW... uck.
6. DAoC, Now that is old. That game is at least as old as EQ1 and even with the update it doesn't compare to anything new.
I agree with everything else you said. Here's the problem, no computer on earth is advanced enough to run the graphics the way you see them in the vids. No computer is advanced enough to run gollum from LOTRO level graphics. They just aren't. There's a reason those are video and not a game. Because the power just isn't there. Well maybe if you're willing to spend at least 5000 on a rig, they are.
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I don't care that much about graphics as long as the rest is not bad. It's not bad in my opinion from what I can see from the videos. If it turns out that it has 1-2 seconds delays when using your abilities, then I would be very dissapointing. But it looks nice in the videos so this is probably my next MMORPG. I am kind of tired of the games out there at the moment, so I have no problems waiting a year or whenever it's released.
How can someone make such an argument, and expect people to take them seriously?
I think it fits the game just fine, in terms of GFX and art style. The graphics themselves are a little plain in the character models, regardless of that, the armor, clothing, droids, landscapes ETC seem to be quite detailed (at this stage) as well as the animations being quite smooth. Don't forget the images we've seen have been early renditions, which most likely means they're lacking a lot the post production FX we're accustomed to seeing.
It's also quite hard to make a final judgement when what we're seeing isn't final. Anyone notice the saber hilts have been gradually getting smaller? The first we saw of them, they were huge and they acknowledged this. Claiming they would get smaller over the course of development. Which they have.
I think people forget that when they're building a game, they hardly ever work in an environment where they have everything running. Especially when they make the tech videos we've been seeing. If I were them at this stage I'd be worried about the animations, I'd just make a tube for a saber to use as a place-holder. Over time that same tube would become a saber, with all the lighting FX's that follow. Only then would I start resizing the model, as it's much easier to add detail when your model is larger. I guess the average person dosen't think about these things though.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I wish my standards were that low, too. And if they really would get much better, why show a half-assed build now? The changes aren't going to be anything massive, or there would be no reason showing us the current build. It gives some direction as to how things will be, and really, it does look bad for an alpha. It's not an excuse.
Hopefully the gameplay makes up for it.
ditto..and 33 here
I'm ok with the models. I've never been interested in graphics. Heck, I still play Pool of Radiance and the rest of those TSR games.
Low standards? LOL okay...
Anyway, most likely because they're not showing off graphics they're showing off other things, like combat animations.
Looks bad for an alpha LOL? Okay...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You'd know about low standards, being a fan of final fantasy games.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I like the odd final fantasy as much as the next guy, but they are hardly 'high standard' games.
JRPG's need an update.
Plus there was a thread you started a while back entitled something like 'Cmon, its star wars?!' As in you didn't understand the hype, and said that they'd be better off making a muppets MMO. So, is development on final fantasy so slow that you have to bring your 'standards' over here? Hmm?
That wasn't you above, my mistake. I get my trolls mixed up sometimes lol.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
Honest mistake. They do tend to bleed into one another after a while. Turn to white noise.
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welll aside from the graphics, this game is taking incredibly long. They announced development way to early, pushed out models way to early. like i said, the graphics dont do it for me not just because of model design. have you looked at the faces the movements etc. Even in the latest combat videos it looks incredibly boring. just my opinion, see if i downplay it alot i won't expect much
i was extremely hyped about alot of games only to be completely dissapointed over the past 2 years.
from the look of it and viewing the movies etc, it seems they may be torn (my opinion) on direction now.
Its not the graphics I have a beef with. The artistic style of the human characters. Just don't like the look of em. If I happen to buy the game I'l definitely not play as human.
So ok, Luke Skywalker looked like a damn muppet head, and now Bioware thinks we find the character models attractive the way are.
*puts on flame shield*
From what I've seen over the years, games that rely heavily on graphics tend to suck terribly both from poor game play and performance. So I have to wonder why people still have such unrealistic standards for MMORPGs? If this was a single player game, I could easily understand why someone would be concerned about it not having state of the art graphics; but, it's not, so there won't be Age of Conan style graphics; because, though that might seem appealing aesthetically it only makes up a tiny fraction of the game itself.
I can agree that the face models could use some refining; but, the game still is at least a year away from release. A lot can be changed in a year. I see all of these concerns being delivered daily in the suggestion box on the SWTOR site; so, I don't feel there is a need for people to have a panic attack over trivial details this early on.
At least I haven't seen anyone threaten to burn their house down and move to Canada if they don't conform the game to their demands yet.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
You are posting on a flamers forumn, 32 and growing up on star wars not sure you are really old enough. The Game Engine they are using is a joy to behold and the flexibility with respect to charachters is unlimited with respect to options and ability to morph charachter elements.
That said an Avatar is an Avatar , the current graphics are absolutely fine. Content Gameplay and depth are what will project this game to the Top.
You will get lots of people agreeing with your statement because that is what these forumns are about 'Hate'. Now we can sit back and read a minorities replies on how bad the World is. I am sure you can all outdo each other.
Let the amusements begin.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
The Development Cycle is exactly spot on. What makes you thing it is taking too long ?
Maybe they want something that will have more than 2 weeks gameplay to end game....
With the content that has been released , It appears they kniow exactly what they want and ammusingly people on this type of Forumn will go into meltdown based on the fact that SWTOR will not pander to a bunch of miscreants.
Get a life go do something constructive , expecting more than a log on will give you an ulcer. Enjoy the Story Bioware release and enjoy when the game releases anything els and you will be deluding yourself and lining yourself up for a fall.
My current Stance:
I like the Star Wars franchise (not a fanatic)
I like MMOs where you have to play the game and longevity is key (not bothered about instant gratification , been there done it I now want to have fun at my own pace.)
I followed Heros Journey and the flexibility the engine had and great example of fluid gameplay , can be seen. This factors accross to the landscapes in SWTOR (same engine , with lots of enhancements)
The cost of the box will be worth it as a single player with storyline(Win win situation I will gert my monies worth, and on top of that a great MMO, I really hope the choices in game really impact players so that people who are not playing screw their charachters over big time. This is important for the longevity and uniqeness of charachters in game.)
The Collateral and stories being released free of charge by Bioware are a good read and free ( Again Bioware/Lucas Arts thanks guys for the free read and information)
Am I going to get all frustrated and angry? (Nope whats the point, I currently have a number of excelent games to play, and plenty to do in my spare time, including laughing at people self imploding on these forumns)
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I suppose the characters and animations could be better (and they might become better before release), but they look good enough for me. Dont really mind the toony look of it either, but everyones taste is different.
Im more interested in more solid information about the game, but I'll wait and see what pops up.
What the hell are you talking about? This game has been under development for at least 4 years. You really need to learn patience. I'd rather they get the game right, than have it come out prematurely. The premature release is why most of the new MMO's suck.
What I have noticed is that the games dev cycle has been no longer than that of other successful AAA mmo's and let's not forget that this game was for years prior the industries best kept yet most known secret with some posters on this site going so far as to dumpster dive and find early art work for the game, once that news began circulating it still took Bioware somewhere around a year to announce officially they were doing an mmo.
We all know graphics fall into the category of "art" and different people will have different opinions mine is that the graphics look fine, I haven't dissected all the videos out but I don't feel the need to when I saw the art for Champions online which I didn't like I had a reason to investigate further but I liked what I've seen of TOR and also trust in Biowares abilities.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I'm just going to have to disagree. I think going with a more comic book / KotoR style of graphics looks better. I also think it'll give more room for customization which I think is more important than trying to look realistic. Try to look too real and you either limit player choices of looks or you mess with proportions to the point it looks hideous (Vangaurd and EQ2 are good examples of this). I'm not sure what everyone finds wrong with the lightsabers either.. They're gaudy handles with a ranged bit of light emitting plasma sticking out. Looks pretty spot on to me.
Now some of the models from the old stuff looked a bit boxy, but over the last year that seems to have improved. It's a touch stylized but I think considering the setting and that it's a video game I think it's a nice medium between real enough, the Clone Wars toons, and comic inspired rendering.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
What graphics are you looking for then? Lotro, WoW, SWG, EQ2, GW, DAoC.
The graphics look good to me, they look like they are aiming for a low to mid range PC, a damn good move if they are because why would you want to price your game out of the reach of the market?
The graphics definately aren't as cartoony as WoW but they do have that feel to them, I never had an issue with WoWs graphics in fact I really haven't had that much porblem with nearly every MMO's graphics over the years, I still go back to EQ1 now and then to check it out and have a play again, graphics does not make a good game, it just enhances the experience, MUDs proved you don't need graphics to have a good game.
I tend never to judge a game by the vids I've seen posted, they always look some damn cluncky, yet when your in the game it's like the vid you saw was from a totally different game, there just ins't any comparision to actually being in the game itself than relying on watching a vid to see what your getting.
I wonder just how much tweaking they had to do to the Hero engine.......
You only have to look at AoC and Aion to see whats possible graphic wise, and those games arent even all that new... even WoW is finally doing something about their outdated graphics, when you see the graphics of ME 2 and DA:Origins, really have to wonder why TOR doesnt look a lot better.. maybe graphics isnt the most important part of a game, but it is the bit that you notice first.
AoC is technically stylized in a similar manner as TOR. You just have a slight aesthetics appeal.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
1. LOTRO, half finished graphics that just don't look quite right. There's no advancement in these graphics from any of the older games.
2. SWG, OLD game. The graphics weren't that great in that game. In fact, EQ2 was better.
3. WoW is major cartoon appearance. It looks like Saturday morning kids shows.
4. EQ2, I'm fine with their graphics, but I'm quite willing to admit that their graphics style and design is old and outdated.
5. GW... uck.
6. DAoC, Now that is old. That game is at least as old as EQ1 and even with the update it doesn't compare to anything new.
I agree with everything else you said. Here's the problem, no computer on earth is advanced enough to run the graphics the way you see them in the vids. No computer is advanced enough to run gollum from LOTRO level graphics. They just aren't. There's a reason those are video and not a game. Because the power just isn't there. Well maybe if you're willing to spend at least 5000 on a rig, they are.