They are fictional characters. For many years, writers have been writing fiction both about and from the point of view of other sexes, other races and even inanimate objects. I don't see why it matter.
In all seriousness, I think the above sums it up pretty well for a lot of people. Personally I've never seen my avatar as an extension of myself: They don't look like me, act like me and I assure you they don't fight like me - which would make them, uh, not so competitive against dragons!
It is not so much that your avatar is an extension of yourself but rather that you should identify with him/her. Be it movies or games, the creator of such games want the audience to identify, on some level, with a character. That is why you so rarely see a movie with only bad guys because not so many people will want to identify themselves with one.
So I would say that men who plays a female character identifies themselves, on some level, with a women.
Which is of course totally impossible as men & women are totally different species with nothing in common whatsoever.
1. You can only play human race, unless you can prove that you are an elf, gnome etc irl.
2. Game connects to the database of your countries police network and checks if you are male or female.
2*. Should you choose to play the opposite sex, you are agreeing to having “homosexual” or “lesbian” before your name.
3. Class system should again be linked to what you do in real life. Want to be a healer? Hope you’re a doctor. Want to be a warrior? Hope you’re in the army.
4. Crafting of course should also follow the rule above. Only people that work in construction, tanneries, cloth factories etc should be able to be crafters.
Yes, all mmos should be like this, so people can no longer lie to me about who and what they are in real life! What better way to identify yourself with your character?
Yes.
And I also vote for putting all people who play thieves in a fantasy game into jail.
They are fictional characters. For many years, writers have been writing fiction both about and from the point of view of other sexes, other races and even inanimate objects. I don't see why it matter.
In all seriousness, I think the above sums it up pretty well for a lot of people. Personally I've never seen my avatar as an extension of myself: They don't look like me, act like me and I assure you they don't fight like me - which would make them, uh, not so competitive against dragons!
It is not so much that your avatar is an extension of yourself but rather that you should identify with him/her. Be it movies or games, the creator of such games want the audience to identify, on some level, with a character. That is why you so rarely see a movie with only bad guys because not so many people will want to identify themselves with one.
So I would say that men who plays a female character identifies themselves, on some level, with a women.
Which is of course totally impossible as men & women are totally different species with nothing in common whatsoever.
I play roughly half female, half male characters. I am an over 40 heterosexual male.
Like many others, i play female avatars because they look better than their male counterparts. As an example, in many games male elves just flat out look like they are batting for the other team. If i am going to look effeminate, i might as well BE effeminate.
That and i'd rather stare at pretty female pixals over male pixals :P
Back in eq1 on the Eci server WAY back in the day, i had a macro set up that i would shout out to everyone in the zone a dedication of Shania Twain's "man, i feel like a woman" song to all the cross dressers and it would result in lots of laughs.
Seriously though, the only ones that kinda sorta creep me out are the men who dress female toons and let their group mates know they are female in hopes of garnering special treatment.
They are fictional characters. For many years, writers have been writing fiction both about and from the point of view of other sexes, other races and even inanimate objects. I don't see why it matter.
In all seriousness, I think the above sums it up pretty well for a lot of people. Personally I've never seen my avatar as an extension of myself: They don't look like me, act like me and I assure you they don't fight like me - which would make them, uh, not so competitive against dragons!
It is not so much that your avatar is an extension of yourself but rather that you should identify with him/her. Be it movies or games, the creator of such games want the audience to identify, on some level, with a character. That is why you so rarely see a movie with only bad guys because not so many people will want to identify themselves with one.
So I would say that men who plays a female character identifies themselves, on some level, with a women.
So you're saying playing a female avatar is akin to watching a movie with a female protagonist, like say, Aeon Flux or Aliens or Jane Eyre or Persuasion, right?
I don't exactly agree, but then again that sort of identification can only be a good thing in my opinion.
like one poster(or more said) I play male avatars because they look better then males and I really decided to play male only when i played for the first time AO: do you ever played a male Opifex Avatar in AO? they way that the male move their ass is just disturbing.
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Well, I'm a guy that finds other guys attractive and I play male toons in game. What does that say? I have no issues with guys playing female toons. The majority of my toons are males, unless the character models are just right out ugly. Example, LOTRO Elves. They look feminine and that is not attractive to me. If I'm going to play an elf in LOTRo then it will be a female elf.
They are fictional characters. For many years, writers have been writing fiction both about and from the point of view of other sexes, other races and even inanimate objects. I don't see why it matter.
In all seriousness, I think the above sums it up pretty well for a lot of people. Personally I've never seen my avatar as an extension of myself: They don't look like me, act like me and I assure you they don't fight like me - which would make them, uh, not so competitive against dragons!
It is not so much that your avatar is an extension of yourself but rather that you should identify with him/her. Be it movies or games, the creator of such games want the audience to identify, on some level, with a character. That is why you so rarely see a movie with only bad guys because not so many people will want to identify themselves with one.
So I would say that men who plays a female character identifies themselves, on some level, with a women.
I support people playing whatever characters they like. I'm not going to think less of any individual based on the fact that they play a different race or gender in a video game. Anyone who judges others based on this, has some personal issues they need to talk to someone about, in my opinion.
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Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive but HORRIBLY painful on the back. No woman would want to roleplay a woman with boobs like that. Every other sentence would have to be, "Oh, Sire...pray let me rest. I suffer such excruciating pain from the weight of my buxomness." LOL....that even sounds idiotic. And realistically...if you were RPing and HAD boobs that size...you'd HAVE to say that, because it wouldn't be very realistic to prance around like a feather now would it?
Okay...I exaggerate...a little. But yeah....no woman makes their characters LOOK like that.
Well besides the fact that it's been since pointed out that a real life large breasted woman likes making her in game female characters large breasted since she identifies with that, there's also the contradiction in your own writing I don't think you really thought about.
"Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive"
So you think guys make the breasts that large and then at the same time find it unattractive? Ya you might want to rethink that topic.
I will say this though, any post I've seen involving gender you show up and write your posts in a way in which you act like you are speaking for all women. Even when other women post before and after you completely disagreeing with what you've written. You might want to start changing phrases like "No women...." to " I don't" or "In my opinion".
I always play male characters because my characters are an extention of myself, or at least some 'idealized' part of my personality, that's also why I have difficulty playing 'evil' characters. If I were to go all Robbie Wheeling I wouldn't want to be dressing up in frilly skirts and leather bustiers while hacking up innocent people in the subway.
EDIT: +1 RP cred for understanding the Robbie Wheeling reference.
One of my favorite characters I made was a gay male side-kick in City of Heroes that constantly was searching for a Hero. I have been straight my whole life. But I did identify with him since I think discrimination is something most people can relate to.
I got a few laughs out of how homophobic so many people were and I played him in a very light comical totally PG13 manner and I'm pretty sure in a way that was respectful to LGBTQ folks (as I was allied with a gay super group). I think his name was simply Fabulous SideKick, I deleted him when I ran out of server slots.
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Excellent points, and mayhaps I got a little too defensive about it. I was citing RoM as an example of something I personally don't care for. As for the homophobia comment on my end, I suppose that just comes from a personal experience with a guild leader who took great offense at my using a female toon just because I liked the look of it better. Anyways, sorry to offend.
No worries, and thanks, I could see where such an experience would be relevant to such a question. I had no knowledge that was the reasoning behind it, so I apologize as well.
What? People on the mmorpg.com forum understanding other points of view and being congenial about it?
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They are fictional characters. For many years, writers have been writing fiction both about and from the point of view of other sexes, other races and even inanimate objects. I don't see why it matter.
In all seriousness, I think the above sums it up pretty well for a lot of people. Personally I've never seen my avatar as an extension of myself: They don't look like me, act like me and I assure you they don't fight like me - which would make them, uh, not so competitive against dragons!
It is not so much that your avatar is an extension of yourself but rather that you should identify with him/her. Be it movies or games, the creator of such games want the audience to identify, on some level, with a character. That is why you so rarely see a movie with only bad guys because not so many people will want to identify themselves with one.
So I would say that men who plays a female character identifies themselves, on some level, with a women.
So you're saying playing a female avatar is akin to watching a movie with a female protagonist, like say, Aeon Flux or Aliens or Jane Eyre or Persuasion, right?
I don't exactly agree, but then again that sort of identification can only be a good thing in my opinion.
Yep, that is what I am saying
Imo people who likes to watch movies with female heroines are probably more likely to have female avatars. There really is no good or bad about it, I personally identify myself much more with male heroes than female ones but that's me.
However when you as a male use your female avatar to get "favours" that is what disturbs me.
Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive but HORRIBLY painful on the back. No woman would want to roleplay a woman with boobs like that. Every other sentence would have to be, "Oh, Sire...pray let me rest. I suffer such excruciating pain from the weight of my buxomness." LOL....that even sounds idiotic. And realistically...if you were RPing and HAD boobs that size...you'd HAVE to say that, because it wouldn't be very realistic to prance around like a feather now would it?
Okay...I exaggerate...a little. But yeah....no woman makes their characters LOOK like that.
Bah, silly gender stereotypes I usually put the boob sliders somewhere around the middle, artfully taking into account relative proportions to the rest of the body, while my girlfriend always just puts the boob slider all the way up, waist slider all the way down, etc.
Wasn't intended to be a biased or stereotypical comment. It's only what I have personally experienced. Of COURSE there are exceptions as with anything on Earth...lol.
I would guess though....that if your GF makes the boobs huge...she doesn't HAVE huge boobs in RL. I do....and that is WHY I never burden my characters with them. I don't want my toons getting the kind of backache that I do! (No...I don't think my characters REALLY get backaches....but I like to imagine them as "real" little creatures that COULD. lol)
::laughs:: wrong. I was once pegged as a man and the chick who accused me of being a man would not beleive otherwise because i described the npc i was playing as being very very busty and 'bouncing' down the stairs. And while most of my toons are guys, the few girls i do have where you can make them boobtacular ... i often *do* make them extremely endowed. Why?
1) I'm extremely endowed and dont' see anything wrong with it.
2) i'm a roleplayer and some of my characters are built for comfort, not for speed.
Granted, i don't go for freakishly boobtacular. But i'm a DD and i dont' see anything wrong with a character who's a DD. Thats what corsets are for. I'm not nippin' in my waist, i'm making sure my tits don't beat me to death while i'm riding a horse. (true story. Never ride a horse without proper support, omg.)
Okay....there is obviously a differing opinion between people as to what constitutes HUGE boobs. DD cup size is not HUGE, imo. When I say "huge"....I'm referring to imbalanced looking people and characters that look like they should fall over face first from the size of them....LITERALLY watermelon sized boobs, imo, are huge. DD is just healthy and attractive looking. I can actually still squeeze myself into a DD cup, although I probably should get one size bigger....I refuse to because I am MORTIFIED that I would possibly need to. But let's not discuss that here....this conversation could get embarrassing rather quickly. As long as I'm not getting those "puffy bulges" around my bra from squishing my boobs into it.....I refuse to go up to an E or EE cup. No way....no how. And I'm not going to punish my characters by making THEM wear horrible sizes either. lol
Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive but HORRIBLY painful on the back. No woman would want to roleplay a woman with boobs like that. Every other sentence would have to be, "Oh, Sire...pray let me rest. I suffer such excruciating pain from the weight of my buxomness." LOL....that even sounds idiotic. And realistically...if you were RPing and HAD boobs that size...you'd HAVE to say that, because it wouldn't be very realistic to prance around like a feather now would it?
Okay...I exaggerate...a little. But yeah....no woman makes their characters LOOK like that.
Well besides the fact that it's been since pointed out that a real life large breasted woman likes making her in game female characters large breasted since she identifies with that, there's also the contradiction in your own writing I don't think you really thought about.
Oh REALLY? So you're saying that's always true? LOL It's not. You go on to criticize ME below for speaking for all women, but it's okay if some other woman does? I wear a 38 DD....that's large, but not MASSIVE, and I don't make my characters with big boobs. What contradiction? I still don't see it. Perhaps you just don't understand what I'm saying or didn't actually READ it.
"Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive"
So you think guys make the breasts that large and then at the same time find it unattractive? Ya you might want to rethink that topic.
Where did I say GUYS find huge boobs unattractive??? I find them unattractive. I never said GUYS did. When I said WE, I meant women....and you find me ONE WOMAN that thinks WATERMELON sized boobs....are attractive. Oh I'm sure there's one somewhere. But that would be a rarity, I imagine. I'm literally saying the size of watermelons. IMO....and probably in the opinion of a good MANY women....that just looks gross, not attractive.
I will say this though, any post I've seen involving gender you show up and write your posts in a way in which you act like you are speaking for all women. Even when other women post before and after you completely disagreeing with what you've written. You might want to start changing phrases like "No women...." to " I don't" or "In my opinion".
This is a WEB FORUM....I assume everyone writes only their OPINION. You should do the same. Put me on block if you're so bothered that I voice mine. Pure and simple. The majority of the time I am VERY careful to say "imo." OMG...I forgot once...fucking sue me.
::laughs:: wrong. I was once pegged as a man and the chick who accused me of being a man would not beleive otherwise because i described the npc i was playing as being very very busty and 'bouncing' down the stairs. And while most of my toons are guys, the few girls i do have where you can make them boobtacular ... i often *do* make them extremely endowed. Why?
1) I'm extremely endowed and dont' see anything wrong with it.
2) i'm a roleplayer and some of my characters are built for comfort, not for speed.
Granted, i don't go for freakishly boobtacular. But i'm a DD and i dont' see anything wrong with a character who's a DD. Thats what corsets are for. I'm not nippin' in my waist, i'm making sure my tits don't beat me to death while i'm riding a horse. (true story. Never ride a horse without proper support, omg.)
Okay....there is obviously a differing opinion between people as to what constitutes HUGE boobs. DD cup size is not HUGE, imo. When I say "huge"....I'm referring to imbalanced looking people and characters that look like they should fall over face first from the size of them....LITERALLY watermelon sized boobs, imo, are huge. DD is just healthy and attractive looking. I can actually still squeeze myself into a DD cup, although I probably should get one size bigger....I refuse to because I am MORTIFIED that I would possibly need to. But let's not discuss that here....this conversation could get embarrassing rather quickly. As long as I'm not getting those "puffy bulges" around my bra from squishing my boobs into it.....I refuse to go up to an E or EE cup. No way....no how. And I'm not going to punish my characters by making THEM wear horrible sizes either. lol
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Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive but HORRIBLY painful on the back. No woman would want to roleplay a woman with boobs like that. Every other sentence would have to be, "Oh, Sire...pray let me rest. I suffer such excruciating pain from the weight of my buxomness." LOL....that even sounds idiotic. And realistically...if you were RPing and HAD boobs that size...you'd HAVE to say that, because it wouldn't be very realistic to prance around like a feather now would it?
Okay...I exaggerate...a little. But yeah....no woman makes their characters LOOK like that.
Well besides the fact that it's been since pointed out that a real life large breasted woman likes making her in game female characters large breasted since she identifies with that, there's also the contradiction in your own writing I don't think you really thought about.
"Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive"
So you think guys make the breasts that large and then at the same time find it unattractive? Ya you might want to rethink that topic.
Where did I say GUYS find huge boobs unattractive??? I find them unattractive. I never said GUYS did.
To be fair you did say "WE all know". Which I agree with you on it's unattractive, I wouldn't say we all agree with that though.
I must say I don't think it's about attractiveness when someone does that, it's probably more along the lines of being outrageous or ridiculous IMO. Because the toon is usally named Mamacans (or something along those lines) lol.
I will say this though, any post I've seen involving gender you show up and write your posts in a way in which you act like you are speaking for all women. Even when other women post before and after you completely disagreeing with what you've written. You might want to start changing phrases like "No women...." to " I don't" or "In my opinion".
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How many pages did the last thread about this topic go?
Did it also end up being about boobs? If so....I bet it went on for a hundred pages.
Go on with your conversation boys (and the few TOKEN women that are in here). I'm done with it. Seems I can't voice my opinion and it be considered an opinion automatically. Forums are essentially mini-editorial comments, although some of mine aren't that "mini" I'll admit. Any time someone writes a forum comment....it's probably best to just assume they ARE voicing an opinion and not stating FACTS.
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Which is of course totally impossible as men & women are totally different species with nothing in common whatsoever.
or if you prefer: "Ug".
Yes.
And I also vote for putting all people who play thieves in a fantasy game into jail.
That will make the world so much safer !!!
Believe me, theres simply not enough doctors for all the idiots in the internet.
Did I say or imply that it was impossible?
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I play roughly half female, half male characters. I am an over 40 heterosexual male.
Like many others, i play female avatars because they look better than their male counterparts. As an example, in many games male elves just flat out look like they are batting for the other team. If i am going to look effeminate, i might as well BE effeminate.
That and i'd rather stare at pretty female pixals over male pixals :P
Back in eq1 on the Eci server WAY back in the day, i had a macro set up that i would shout out to everyone in the zone a dedication of Shania Twain's "man, i feel like a woman" song to all the cross dressers and it would result in lots of laughs.
Seriously though, the only ones that kinda sorta creep me out are the men who dress female toons and let their group mates know they are female in hopes of garnering special treatment.
So you're saying playing a female avatar is akin to watching a movie with a female protagonist, like say, Aeon Flux or Aliens or Jane Eyre or Persuasion, right?
I don't exactly agree, but then again that sort of identification can only be a good thing in my opinion.
like one poster(or more said) I play male avatars because they look better then males and I really decided to play male only when i played for the first time AO: do you ever played a male Opifex Avatar in AO? they way that the male move their ass is just disturbing.
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Well, I'm a guy that finds other guys attractive and I play male toons in game. What does that say? I have no issues with guys playing female toons. The majority of my toons are males, unless the character models are just right out ugly. Example, LOTRO Elves. They look feminine and that is not attractive to me. If I'm going to play an elf in LOTRo then it will be a female elf.
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I support people playing whatever characters they like. I'm not going to think less of any individual based on the fact that they play a different race or gender in a video game. Anyone who judges others based on this, has some personal issues they need to talk to someone about, in my opinion.
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Well besides the fact that it's been since pointed out that a real life large breasted woman likes making her in game female characters large breasted since she identifies with that, there's also the contradiction in your own writing I don't think you really thought about.
"Something else I notice about guys that play girl characters....they usually, if they have the OPTION, make the boobs like MASSIVELY huge. No female ever does that. WE all know that boobs the size of watermelons are not only unattractive"
So you think guys make the breasts that large and then at the same time find it unattractive? Ya you might want to rethink that topic.
I will say this though, any post I've seen involving gender you show up and write your posts in a way in which you act like you are speaking for all women. Even when other women post before and after you completely disagreeing with what you've written. You might want to start changing phrases like "No women...." to " I don't" or "In my opinion".
I always play male characters because my characters are an extention of myself, or at least some 'idealized' part of my personality, that's also why I have difficulty playing 'evil' characters. If I were to go all Robbie Wheeling I wouldn't want to be dressing up in frilly skirts and leather bustiers while hacking up innocent people in the subway.
EDIT: +1 RP cred for understanding the Robbie Wheeling reference.
One of my favorite characters I made was a gay male side-kick in City of Heroes that constantly was searching for a Hero. I have been straight my whole life. But I did identify with him since I think discrimination is something most people can relate to.
I got a few laughs out of how homophobic so many people were and I played him in a very light comical totally PG13 manner and I'm pretty sure in a way that was respectful to LGBTQ folks (as I was allied with a gay super group). I think his name was simply Fabulous SideKick, I deleted him when I ran out of server slots.
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If you were cybering with some hot elf chick and she said:
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Dude, there's someting I got to tell you... I'm a dude, dude.
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Would that bother you?
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Yep, that is what I am saying
Imo people who likes to watch movies with female heroines are probably more likely to have female avatars. There really is no good or bad about it, I personally identify myself much more with male heroes than female ones but that's me.
However when you as a male use your female avatar to get "favours" that is what disturbs me.
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Wasn't intended to be a biased or stereotypical comment. It's only what I have personally experienced. Of COURSE there are exceptions as with anything on Earth...lol.
I would guess though....that if your GF makes the boobs huge...she doesn't HAVE huge boobs in RL. I do....and that is WHY I never burden my characters with them. I don't want my toons getting the kind of backache that I do! (No...I don't think my characters REALLY get backaches....but I like to imagine them as "real" little creatures that COULD. lol)
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Since I dont roleplay then yeah it would.
But then again I would never cyber with a female character unless I knew there was a chick behind the character.
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Okay....there is obviously a differing opinion between people as to what constitutes HUGE boobs. DD cup size is not HUGE, imo. When I say "huge"....I'm referring to imbalanced looking people and characters that look like they should fall over face first from the size of them....LITERALLY watermelon sized boobs, imo, are huge. DD is just healthy and attractive looking. I can actually still squeeze myself into a DD cup, although I probably should get one size bigger....I refuse to because I am MORTIFIED that I would possibly need to. But let's not discuss that here....this conversation could get embarrassing rather quickly. As long as I'm not getting those "puffy bulges" around my bra from squishing my boobs into it.....I refuse to go up to an E or EE cup. No way....no how. And I'm not going to punish my characters by making THEM wear horrible sizes either. lol
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23 pages eh?
How many pages did the last thread about this topic go?
Ka-thump. *somebody just fell out of his chair*
"Elizabeth! This is it! This is the big one!" *Clutches his chest and rolls around on the floor.*
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Did it also end up being about boobs? If so....I bet it went on for a hundred pages.
Go on with your conversation boys (and the few TOKEN women that are in here). I'm done with it. Seems I can't voice my opinion and it be considered an opinion automatically. Forums are essentially mini-editorial comments, although some of mine aren't that "mini" I'll admit. Any time someone writes a forum comment....it's probably best to just assume they ARE voicing an opinion and not stating FACTS.
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