How does buying from the store affect your ability to progress?

VirusDancer

The additional storage increases your efficiency when it comes to bringing goods to the auction house.

The damage resistance provides you a benefit in a PvP encounter.

So yes, your dog and goggles affect me.  You were able to purchase game affecting boons rather than just fluff.

Dibdabs

Originally posted by Panther2103

I think they are just trying to get a huge negative response out of the people who strongly oppose the cash shop and any items that people can buy in them. Be it fluff or not. I'm actually suprised that no one has said anything yet.

Personally, I have no objection to other people buying things at Cash Shops, though my particular choice is never to do so.  It may make it a degree more difficult for me that way, but I don't mind.

Teala

Originally posted by VirusDancer

The additional storage increases your efficiency when it comes to bringing goods to the auction house.

The damage resistance provides you a benefit in a PvP encounter.

So yes, your dog and goggles affect me.  You were able to purchase game affecting boons rather than just fluff.

 I can only guess you must play the game to know that - because I didn't.  LOL!  I came at his question and answered  from a different angle.  However - touche'!  

You get a hammie! 

 

VengeSunsoar

I heard that you could earn the dog in-game.  And there are goggles in games.  Are the stats different?

 

Venge Sunsoar

Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I have gone ahead and purchased one dog and goggle form the item shop in fallen earth. I also do not even play anymore but they allowed me to apply it to my account.

 

Please feel free to tell me how this impacts you, your game play, and has directly affected your ability to progress and have fun in this title. I would like to know how others spend there time in an entertainment product affects you directly.

 

I look forward to the responses.

 OK I'll bite at your completely loaded question(which is worded to solicit angry responses).  

The issue isn't that it hinders a players progress or have fun in the game.  The issue is that as paying customers that pay a premium fee all ready the company now decides to add RMT to get more from their customers by inticing them to purchase, all be it fluff, some rather cool looking items - thus making the premium players payments seem like they are going toward paying for content that they must buy a piece at a time.   If they open this can of worms - where do they draw the line.  What's next...charging for a new play area or a new mount and then some new clothing.   See where this is going? 

People that pay a premium fee should have access to all the game offers - that is why they pay a premium monthly fee!  Doesn't matter if it is fluff they are offering in the cash shop...the player is all ready paying for the game - they should have access to anything the developers add.

If the creators of FE are going to go the route of cash shop they might as well just go all the way and make it f2p - instead of charging for content on top of a monthly premium fee.

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

Nytakito

I don't play fallen earth, so it doesn't effect me at all..

If I did play fallen earth, I could care less how what you spent effect me.  My beef with cash shops is the potential to how much money I might spend, before realizing I spent too much.

Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by VirusDancer

The additional storage increases your efficiency when it comes to bringing goods to the auction house.

The damage resistance provides you a benefit in a PvP encounter.

So yes, your dog and goggles affect me.  You were able to purchase game affecting boons rather than just fluff.

Hyperbole and reaching for a justafacation to be angry.

Many people allready had one over on you if you want to follow this line, Preorder items.

VirusDancer

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by VirusDancer

The additional storage increases your efficiency when it comes to bringing goods to the auction house.

The damage resistance provides you a benefit in a PvP encounter.

So yes, your dog and goggles affect me.  You were able to purchase game affecting boons rather than just fluff.

Hyperbole and reaching for a justafacation to be angry.

Many people allready had one over on you if you want to follow this line, Preorder items.

You asked for how it directly affects me.  You got an answer of how it directly affects me.  It is not my problem that you do not like the answer, since it is a legitimate answer.

You did not ask how a preorder affects me.  You asked how what you purchased affects me.

If you promise not to use the additional slots and to run away if we ever meet during a PvP encounter, then I will gladly say that it does not affect me...

...otherwise, deal with it - you got an answer you did not want, did not think about, and now are left perhaps thinking you should not have posted the thread.

Hope you enjoy your weekend all the same...

VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I have gone ahead and purchased one dog and goggle form the item shop in fallen earth. I also do not even play anymore but they allowed me to apply it to my account.

 

Please feel free to tell me how this impacts you, your game play, and has directly affected your ability to progress and have fun in this title. I would like to know how others spend there time in an entertainment product affects you directly.

 

I look forward to the responses.

 OK I'll bite at your completely loaded question(which is worded to solicit angry responses).  

The issue isn't that it hinders a players progress or have fun in the game.  The issue is that as paying customers that pay a premium fee all ready the company now decides to add RMT to get more from their customers by inticing them to purchase, all be it fluff, some rather cool looking items - thus making the premium players payments seem like they are going toward paying for content that they must buy a piece at a time.   If they open this can of worms - where do they draw the line.  What's next...charging for a new play area or a new mount and then some new clothing.   See where this is going? 

People that pay a premium fee should have access to all the game offers - that is why they pay a premium monthly fee!  Doesn't matter if it is fluff they are offering in the cash shop...the player is all ready paying for the game - they should have access to anything the developers add.

If the creators of FE are going to go the route of cash shop they might as well just go all the way and make it f2p - instead of charging for content on top of a monthly premium fee.

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

 So... um what movie are you watching like that?

Venge Sunsoar

Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I have gone ahead and purchased one dog and goggle form the item shop in fallen earth. I also do not even play anymore but they allowed me to apply it to my account.

 

Please feel free to tell me how this impacts you, your game play, and has directly affected your ability to progress and have fun in this title. I would like to know how others spend there time in an entertainment product affects you directly.

 

I look forward to the responses.

 OK I'll bite at your completely loaded question(which is worded to solicit angry responses).  

The issue isn't that it hinders a players progress or have fun in the game.  The issue is that as paying customers that pay a premium fee all ready the company now decides to add RMT to get more from their customers by inticing them to purchase, all be it fluff, some rather cool looking items - thus making the premium players payments seem like they are going toward paying for content that they must buy a piece at a time.   If they open this can of worms - where do they draw the line.  What's next...charging for a new play area or a new mount and then some new clothing.   See where this is going? 

People that pay a premium fee should have access to all the game offers - that is why they pay a premium monthly fee!  Doesn't matter if it is fluff they are offering in the cash shop...the player is all ready paying for the game - they should have access to anything the developers add.

If the creators of FE are going to go the route of cash shop they might as well just go all the way and make it f2p - instead of charging for content on top of a monthly premium fee.

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

If I am paying a premium monthly fee to play their game - then, yes, in my opinioin I am entitled to what ever they create for the game and it should be able to be gotten in game by some means. 

As it turns out it seems the items actually do give bonuses to a player that purchases them - so therefore your argument falls flat on its face if you receive a benefit from their use.  

Also after reading your responses it seems you do not care how anyone answers - even if their answers answer your loaded question.  You've all ready made up your mind that you do not care what anyone else has to say on the matter.

Hrayr2148

It doesn't.

 

Purely cosmetic items are a non-issue. 

But cash shops don't stop there.  When you start including XP pots, health potions, or "pets" that play more than a cosmetic role (i.e. combat role in AoC), then you're effectively saying to your subscribers.. you need to pay more to get a competitive advantage.

 

I personally don't give a crap.  I love LOTRO and I do think F2P will make it an even more success.  The game stopped growing and if there can be an infusion of players into the game so that lower level content is no longer obsolete, then go for it.

I also don't care that you need to pay to open up certain content.  If paying to open up content is, on average, costs you less than $15 a month, then this is a win win for everyone.  F2P model pionered by DnD is going to revolutionize the industry.  The worse part in all this is that you will not develope good communities, but I've always found great smaller communities in big, horrible ones.

I like the fact that I don't have to pay three concurrent subscriptions to play games.  And guess what, the subscriber base is pretty sophisticated.  If they start playing a F2P with a cash shop that has items which give a competitive advantage, the people won't play that game.  They'll move on because the market is heavily saturated right now.  Why would developers shoot themselves in the foot by including items that will DRIVE AWAY people?

A vast majority of people do not have the disposable income to spent $50 bucks, per game, at the cash shop.

Look at LoTRO.. right now, 40% of the subscriber base are lifetime members who don't pay for anything.  If they institute F2P, you'll have hundreds of thousands of people try the game out and even pay 5 bucks here and there for content expansions.  That's revenue that would not be possible if they maintain the current model.  And for those who like the current model? Keep paying your $15 bucks online so that you never have to pay for any content access AND you get free points every month to spend at the cash shop.

DnD and LoTRO are models for how F2P can be done the RIGHT way.  Allods online is an example of how cash shop is implemented the WRONG way.

In the end, games are a form of entertainment.  These arn't Constitutional rights.  You have no RIGHT to EQUALITY in a paid game.  Games are a service you can choose or not, to take part in.  The company decides in what matter they're going to charge for the service.  Get over it.  Stop crying and stop playing if you don't like the direction of a game.  The company doesn't owe you anything.

Teala

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by VirusDancer

The additional storage increases your efficiency when it comes to bringing goods to the auction house.

The damage resistance provides you a benefit in a PvP encounter.

So yes, your dog and goggles affect me.  You were able to purchase game affecting boons rather than just fluff.

Hyperbole and reaching for a justafacation to be angry.

Many people allready had one over on you if you want to follow this line, Preorder items.

You asked for how it directly affects me.  You got an answer of how it directly affects me.  It is not my problem that you do not like the answer, since it is a legitimate answer.

You did not ask how a preorder affects me.  You asked how what you purchased affects me.

If you promise not to use the additional slots and to run away if we ever meet during a PvP encounter, then I will gladly say that it does not affect me...

...otherwise, deal with it - you got an answer you did not want, did not think about, and now are left perhaps thinking you should not have posted the thread.

Hope you enjoy your weekend all the same...

 I know - right.  He doesn't care if you answered legitimately, he seems to just be trolling.

azzalan

It's just unfair that people with more money have a advantage over others.

Money already give you advantage in so many things in life...

Now if you fill like others a "cheating" it will affect your fun, and if affects your fun your gameplay will go down as well.

Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I have gone ahead and purchased one dog and goggle form the item shop in fallen earth. I also do not even play anymore but they allowed me to apply it to my account.

 

Please feel free to tell me how this impacts you, your game play, and has directly affected your ability to progress and have fun in this title. I would like to know how others spend there time in an entertainment product affects you directly.

 

I look forward to the responses.

 OK I'll bite at your completely loaded question(which is worded to solicit angry responses).  

The issue isn't that it hinders a players progress or have fun in the game.  The issue is that as paying customers that pay a premium fee all ready the company now decides to add RMT to get more from their customers by inticing them to purchase, all be it fluff, some rather cool looking items - thus making the premium players payments seem like they are going toward paying for content that they must buy a piece at a time.   If they open this can of worms - where do they draw the line.  What's next...charging for a new play area or a new mount and then some new clothing.   See where this is going? 

People that pay a premium fee should have access to all the game offers - that is why they pay a premium monthly fee!  Doesn't matter if it is fluff they are offering in the cash shop...the player is all ready paying for the game - they should have access to anything the developers add.

If the creators of FE are going to go the route of cash shop they might as well just go all the way and make it f2p - instead of charging for content on top of a monthly premium fee.

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

If I am paying a premium monthly fee to play their game - then, yes, in my opinioin I am entitled to what ever they create for the game and it should be able to be gotten in game by some means. 

As it turns out it seems the items actually do give bonuses to a player that purchases them - so therefore your argument falls flat on its face if you receive a benefit from their use.  

Also after reading your responses it seems you do not care how anyone answers - even if their answers answer your loaded question.  You've all ready made up your mind that you do not care what anyone else has to say on the matter.

No, no ne has given the right answer.

The only answers given have been: Entitlement. Envey. Greed And competition where there is none.

Every single one is not an answer. Now you are just angry, and resorting to flames. Your entire reason for disliking the situation is because of envy and a sense of entitlement. Neither is real. You can keep claiing my question "loaded" all you want, it dosnt make it go away, and it dosnt make it true.

Here is the real reasion you are mad. You know the real answer, you do not want to say it.

Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Hrayr2148

It doesn't.

 

Purely cosmetic items are a non-issue. 

But cash shops don't stop there.  When you start including XP pots, health potions, or "pets" that play more than a cosmetic role (i.e. combat role in AoC), then you're effectively saying to your subscribers.. you need to pay more to get a competitive advantage.

 

I personally don't give a crap.  I love LOTRO and I do think F2P will make it an even more success.  The game stopped growing and if there can be an infusion of players into the game so that lower level content is no longer obsolete, then go for it.

I also don't care that you need to pay to open up certain content.  If paying to open up content is, on average, costs you less than $15 a month, then this is a win win for everyone.  F2P model pionered by DnD is going to revolutionize the industry.  The worse part in all this is that you will not develope good communities, but I've always found great smaller communities in big, horrible ones.

I like the fact that I don't have to pay three concurrent subscriptions to play games.  And guess what, the subscriber base is pretty sophisticated.  If they start playing a F2P with a cash shop that has items which give a competitive advantage, the people won't play that game.  They'll move on because the market is heavily saturated right now.  Why would developers shoot themselves in the foot by including items that will DRIVE AWAY people?

A vast majority of people do not have the disposable income to spent $50 bucks, per game, at the cash shop.

Look at LoTRO.. right now, 40% of the subscriber base are lifetime members who don't pay for anything.  If they institute F2P, you'll have hundreds of thousands of people try the game out and even pay 5 bucks here and there for content expansions.  That's revenue that would not be possible if they maintain the current model.  And for those who like the current model? Keep paying your $15 bucks online so that you never have to pay for any content access AND you get free points every month to spend at the cash shop.

DnD and LoTRO are models for how F2P can be done the RIGHT way.  Allods online is an example of how cash shop is implemented the WRONG way.

In the end, games are a form of entertainment.  These arn't Constitutional rights.  You have no RIGHT to EQUALITY in a paid game.  Games are a service you can choose or not, to take part in.  The company decides in what matter they're going to charge for the service.  Get over it.  Stop crying and stop playing if you don't like the direction of a game.  The company doesn't owe you anything.

Finally someone has a god dam brain around here.

Cecropia

Originally posted by Agricola1

OK well here goes, I pay a subscription so that the developers create content for the game which I get to experience. I do not pay a subscription so that developers can create content and put it in a cash shop and sell it back to me and others that are playing for nothing.

Every time you buy something from that cash shop you're telling those developers that this kind of behaviour is acceptable. If you think it's acceptable fine, but I don't care what you think and you're asking how it affects my game and every time I see those items in game it pisses me off and alot of other gamers.

Luckily I never subscribed to FE and never will, the answer to people wo disapprove of these iem mall shenanigams is cancel the sub and uninstall, which people are doing in their droves ATM!

Boom. There's your answer Bloodworth.

I find it insane that so many of you out there do not understand this. You people are blindly fucking up our games, and because of your collective ridiculousness, now there's no turning back.

VirusDancer

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I have gone ahead and purchased one dog and goggle form the item shop in fallen earth. I also do not even play anymore but they allowed me to apply it to my account.

 

Please feel free to tell me how this impacts you, your game play, and has directly affected your ability to progress and have fun in this title. I would like to know how others spend there time in an entertainment product affects you directly.

 

I look forward to the responses.

 OK I'll bite at your completely loaded question(which is worded to solicit angry responses).  

The issue isn't that it hinders a players progress or have fun in the game.  The issue is that as paying customers that pay a premium fee all ready the company now decides to add RMT to get more from their customers by inticing them to purchase, all be it fluff, some rather cool looking items - thus making the premium players payments seem like they are going toward paying for content that they must buy a piece at a time.   If they open this can of worms - where do they draw the line.  What's next...charging for a new play area or a new mount and then some new clothing.   See where this is going? 

People that pay a premium fee should have access to all the game offers - that is why they pay a premium monthly fee!  Doesn't matter if it is fluff they are offering in the cash shop...the player is all ready paying for the game - they should have access to anything the developers add.

If the creators of FE are going to go the route of cash shop they might as well just go all the way and make it f2p - instead of charging for content on top of a monthly premium fee.

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

If I am paying a premium monthly fee to play their game - then, yes, in my opinioin I am entitled to what ever they create for the game and it should be able to be gotten in game by some means. 

As it turns out it seems the items actually do give bonuses to a player that purchases them - so therefore your argument falls flat on its face if you receive a benefit from their use.  

Also after reading your responses it seems you do not care how anyone answers - even if their answers answer your loaded question.  You've all ready made up your mind that you do not care what anyone else has to say on the matter.

In some of rhe better cash shop discussions out there, some people have been okay with certain RMT items.  Things like the adventures in DDO (seen as mini expansions) and additional costume sets in CoH (fluff) have received better feedback than items (such as other purchasables in the DDO Store and other RMT stores)...Blizzard did both in offfering fluff companion pets and the mount - one no benefit and one a means of saving the cost multiple mounts on every character slot.

What are your thoughts on mini-expansions and fluff as opposed to game altering items?

Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I have gone ahead and purchased one dog and goggle form the item shop in fallen earth. I also do not even play anymore but they allowed me to apply it to my account.

 

Please feel free to tell me how this impacts you, your game play, and has directly affected your ability to progress and have fun in this title. I would like to know how others spend there time in an entertainment product affects you directly.

 

I look forward to the responses.

 OK I'll bite at your completely loaded question(which is worded to solicit angry responses).  

The issue isn't that it hinders a players progress or have fun in the game.  The issue is that as paying customers that pay a premium fee all ready the company now decides to add RMT to get more from their customers by inticing them to purchase, all be it fluff, some rather cool looking items - thus making the premium players payments seem like they are going toward paying for content that they must buy a piece at a time.   If they open this can of worms - where do they draw the line.  What's next...charging for a new play area or a new mount and then some new clothing.   See where this is going? 

People that pay a premium fee should have access to all the game offers - that is why they pay a premium monthly fee!  Doesn't matter if it is fluff they are offering in the cash shop...the player is all ready paying for the game - they should have access to anything the developers add.

If the creators of FE are going to go the route of cash shop they might as well just go all the way and make it f2p - instead of charging for content on top of a monthly premium fee.

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

If I am paying a premium monthly fee to play their game - then, yes, in my opinioin I am entitled to what ever they create for the game and it should be able to be gotten in game by some means. 

As it turns out it seems the items actually do give bonuses to a player that purchases them - so therefore your argument falls flat on its face if you receive a benefit from their use.  

Also after reading your responses it seems you do not care how anyone answers - even if their answers answer your loaded question.  You've all ready made up your mind that you do not care what anyone else has to say on the matter.

No, no ne has given the right answer.

The only answers given have been: Entitlement. Envey. Greed And competition where there is none.

Every single one is not an answer. Now you are just angry, and resorting to flames. Your entire reason for disliking the situation is because of envy and a sense of entitlement. Neither is real. You can keep claiing my question "loaded" all you want, it dosnt make it go away, and it dosnt make it true.

Here is the real reasion you are mad. You know the real answer, you do not want to say it.

 You have been  repeatedly given answers that you do not wish to accept.  So be it.   Have a nice day.

Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by Agricola1

OK well here goes, I pay a subscription so that the developers create content for the game which I get to experience. I do not pay a subscription so that developers can create content and put it in a cash shop and sell it back to me and others that are playing for nothing.

Every time you buy something from that cash shop you're telling those developers that this kind of behaviour is acceptable. If you think it's acceptable fine, but I don't care what you think and you're asking how it affects my game and every time I see those items in game it pisses me off and alot of other gamers.

Luckily I never subscribed to FE and never will, the answer to people wo disapprove of these iem mall shenanigams is cancel the sub and uninstall, which people are doing in their droves ATM!

Boom. There's your answer Bloodworth.

I find it insane that so many of you out there do not understand this. You people are blindly fucking up our games, and because of your collective ridiculousness, now there's no turning back.

Uh, one would have to agree that cash shops "ruin" games for this to be true. Its also not the answer to the question.

Fact is, Players ARE ASKING FOR THIS STUFF TO BE LIKE THIS. YOU. The player.

It is 100% hyperbole to say the goggle or dog gives anyone an advantage.

Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

 

I agree that you watching movies in the nude doesn't affect me. I agree that you buying candy doesn't affect me.

I don't understand how you think that compares to a cash shop in a game?

 

Game with NO cash shop: Dog and Goggles can be obtained by doing Quest A.

Game with Cash shop: Dog and Goggles can be obtained by paying 50 cents.

The Dog and goggles used to be worth the time it takes to do Quest A.

Now they are worth 50 cents.

You buy candy and pay 50 cents for it.

I buy candy and pay 50 cents for it.

I don't buy candy, but when I do, it will cost 50 cents.

Candy didn't used to cost Quest A, and now Costs 50 cents.

Nothing changed for you or me with the candy.

I don't see the similarity.

How do those two different things seem similar to you?

Teala

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Hrayr2148

It doesn't.

 

Purely cosmetic items are a non-issue. 

But cash shops don't stop there.  When you start including XP pots, health potions, or "pets" that play more than a cosmetic role (i.e. combat role in AoC), then you're effectively saying to your subscribers.. you need to pay more to get a competitive advantage.

 

I personally don't give a crap.  I love LOTRO and I do think F2P will make it an even more success.  The game stopped growing and if there can be an infusion of players into the game so that lower level content is no longer obsolete, then go for it.

I also don't care that you need to pay to open up certain content.  If paying to open up content is, on average, costs you less than $15 a month, then this is a win win for everyone.  F2P model pionered by DnD is going to revolutionize the industry.  The worse part in all this is that you will not develope good communities, but I've always found great smaller communities in big, horrible ones.

I like the fact that I don't have to pay three concurrent subscriptions to play games.  And guess what, the subscriber base is pretty sophisticated.  If they start playing a F2P with a cash shop that has items which give a competitive advantage, the people won't play that game.  They'll move on because the market is heavily saturated right now.  Why would developers shoot themselves in the foot by including items that will DRIVE AWAY people?

A vast majority of people do not have the disposable income to spent $50 bucks, per game, at the cash shop.

Look at LoTRO.. right now, 40% of the subscriber base are lifetime members who don't pay for anything.  If they institute F2P, you'll have hundreds of thousands of people try the game out and even pay 5 bucks here and there for content expansions.  That's revenue that would not be possible if they maintain the current model.  And for those who like the current model? Keep paying your $15 bucks online so that you never have to pay for any content access AND you get free points every month to spend at the cash shop.

DnD and LoTRO are models for how F2P can be done the RIGHT way.  Allods online is an example of how cash shop is implemented the WRONG way.

In the end, games are a form of entertainment.  These arn't Constitutional rights.  You have no RIGHT to EQUALITY in a paid game.  Games are a service you can choose or not, to take part in.  The company decides in what matter they're going to charge for the service.  Get over it.  Stop crying and stop playing if you don't like the direction of a game.  The company doesn't owe you anything.

Finally someone has a god dam brain around here.

 This guy is talking about a f2p model with a cash shop.   Last I heard you pay a monthly fee for FE.

Ryukan

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by Agricola1

OK well here goes, I pay a subscription so that the developers create content for the game which I get to experience. I do not pay a subscription so that developers can create content and put it in a cash shop and sell it back to me and others that are playing for nothing.

Every time you buy something from that cash shop you're telling those developers that this kind of behaviour is acceptable. If you think it's acceptable fine, but I don't care what you think and you're asking how it affects my game and every time I see those items in game it pisses me off and alot of other gamers.

Luckily I never subscribed to FE and never will, the answer to people wo disapprove of these iem mall shenanigams is cancel the sub and uninstall, which people are doing in their droves ATM!

Boom. There's your answer Bloodworth.

I find it insane that so many of you out there do not understand this. You people are blindly fucking up our games, and because of your collective ridiculousness, now there's no turning back.

Uh, one would have to agree that cash shops "ruin" games for this to be true. Its also not the answer to the question.

Fact is, Players ARE ASKING FOR THIS STUFF TO BE LIKE THIS. YOU. The player.

It is 100% hyperbole to say the goggle or dog gives anyone an advantage.

 

The question itself is nothing but TROLLING...especially since you refuse to accept any answer but your own and seem to refuse to accept that your answer isn't necessarily the right one. From what I gather you think that envy is the answer and that is really misguided, assumptive and a bit arrogant.

Cecropia

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by Agricola1

OK well here goes, I pay a subscription so that the developers create content for the game which I get to experience. I do not pay a subscription so that developers can create content and put it in a cash shop and sell it back to me and others that are playing for nothing.

Every time you buy something from that cash shop you're telling those developers that this kind of behaviour is acceptable. If you think it's acceptable fine, but I don't care what you think and you're asking how it affects my game and every time I see those items in game it pisses me off and alot of other gamers.

Luckily I never subscribed to FE and never will, the answer to people wo disapprove of these iem mall shenanigams is cancel the sub and uninstall, which people are doing in their droves ATM!

Boom. There's your answer Bloodworth.

I find it insane that so many of you out there do not understand this. You people are blindly fucking up our games, and because of your collective ridiculousness, now there's no turning back.

Uh, one would have to agree that cash shops "ruin" games for this to be true. Its also not the answer to the question.

Fact is, Players ARE ASKING FOR THIS STUFF TO BE LIKE THIS. YOU. The player.

It is 100% hyperbole to say the goggle or dog gives anyone an advantage.

You must be a real bore to play in a chess match. You do not seem to use the skill known as thinking a few moves ahead. You are beyond naive if you think this BS is going to stop with fluff items. I've been around the block enough not to be that simple in the head.

Foresight. Use it! 

Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

It will only illicit an angry responce, if you care what others do with there game time in an entertainment product. Do you also care that I watch movies in the nude? With candy I bought and you did not?  What if i fast foward the movie, how does that affect you? Will you put up the same agressive responces and chicken-little doomcasting?

Also, you are not entitled to the dog and goggles, so why would you complain? Did they TAKE the dog and goggles from you? Should you also be "entitled" to a paid server transfer as well? How far do you feel entitled with your 15$?

Still waiting for someone to answer the OP question. All I am getting is bastardized rationalizations and hyperbole.

 

I agree that you watching movies in the nude doesn't affect me. I agree that you buying candy doesn't affect me.

I don't understand how you think that compares to a cash shop in a game?

 

Game with NO cash shop: Dog and Goggles can be obtained by doing Quest A.

Game with Cash shop: Dog and Goggles can be obtained by paying 50 cents.

The Dog and goggles used to be worth the time it takes to do Quest A.

Now they are worth 50 cents.

You buy candy and pay 50 cents for it.

I buy candy and pay 50 cents for it.

I don't buy candy, but when I do, it will cost 50 cents.

Candy didn't used to cost Quest A, and now Costs 50 cents.

Nothing changed for you or me with the candy.

I don't see the similarity.

How do those two different things seem similar to you?

This is just silly, theorizing and eggerations. You are going way around the block to not say the right answer.

This cricket is awesome though.

 

Also, the "uber item" is a myith.

Nytakito

Originally posted by azzalan

It's just unfair that people with more money have a advantage over others.

Money already give you advantage in so many things in life...

Now if you fill like others a "cheating" it will affect your fun, and if affects your fun your gameplay will go down as well.

 Life isn't fair, and a sandbox MMO shouldn't be either.

Look at it this way.. if you pay $15 a month to play, do you think it's possible in one months playtime that you could acquire gear with equivalent stats to what some dude just spent an additional months sub worth of cash to get instantly??

Now, if they have stuff in the item shop that is either

1) Better than anything obtainable in game at the same level

or

2) Impossible to obtain an equivalent within a months sub worth of time (given appropriate requirements for gear are met).

Then yeah, they're just screwing players for money.

But if somebody wants to spend an additional months sub fee, for items that can most likely be obtained in a weeks worth of hardcore playing, all the more power to them.

If you want complete and total equality in MMO's, then looking at a sandbox MMO is the wrong thing to do.. Start eyeballing themeparks, cause that is what you are after.