Not to worry. After the first free month is up and the population drops by a large amount I am sure that many of the problems will resolve themselves.
I am sure when the population is down to the same number as the employes of SV that test the patches before sending it live everything will straighten out. Of course there are only 20 SV employes so it will be a very empty world even as small as it is.
Any facts behind this projection, or pure speculation?
Not to worry. After the first free month is up and the population drops by a large amount I am sure that many of the problems will resolve themselves.
I am sure when the population is down to the same number as the employes of SV that test the patches before sending it live everything will straighten out. Of course there are only 20 SV employes so it will be a very empty world even as small as it is.
Any facts behind this projection, or pure speculation?
No this person has no real information to back up those statements. I am giving them another month subscription and there are quite a few people on these forums that are doing it too. Not to mention quite a few people in the game seem to enjoy it that I've spoken with. I actually haven't seen a single person talk negatively at all in game, imagine that.
This game will far surpass Darkfalls subscription base, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few come to this side of the fence.
Every time I take a look at the MO forum here, is like I'm in a middle of religious fanatics, that try to convince me that the man was made of mud and holy spirit and the woman from a rib.
There is really no point in arguing with MO fanatics, I just hope the other lucid people will leave them be happy in their little world.
I actually play the game and I've had no problems pointing out the issues with MO. That said, none of those issues are game-breaking or design flaw issues. The systems that are currectly in place are very good, it's just a matter of doing the massive amount of polishing that it's going to take to make it look the way it should.
I bet you don't even play. People like to throw their ideas around so much here without any actual experience with the game. Just to let you know, I absolutely hated the beta phase of this game. I hated it so much that I didn't actually play it for the last four or five months until release. I decided to give it shot since I already paid for the game and my free month was active. They've done a good job. That's not fanboy behavior, it's just a product that came really far, really quick. It's impressed me to the point to actually give it time. They are obviously doing something right.
There are so many people like you who hear bad things from people who heard bad things from other people. Those people heard something bad from someone else, and very few of these people actually have any experience with the game at all. Here's an example. Recently there were some people talking about the servers crashing a lot. It started at every hour, then every 15 minutes, then every 5 minutes, then every 30 seconds. It was so overblown, and people were still talking about it as if the game was unplayable even when the server stability was fixed to where you could play several hours before a crash, and half of those crashes were either downtime for patches or manual reboots. The reason for this is because they didn't actually have the game and they were just repeating what others were repeating who also didn't have game experience.
Here's an example. Recently there were some people talking about the servers crashing a lot. It started at every hour, then every 15 minutes, then every 5 minutes, then every 30 seconds. It was so overblown, and people were still talking about it as if the game was unplayable even when the server stability was fixed to where you could play several hours before a crash, and half of those crashes were either downtime for patches or manual reboots. The reason for this is because they didn't actually have the game and they were just repeating what others were repeating who also didn't have game experience.
The server status thread is the place where users are supposed to self-report when the server goes down (since there is nothing on the launcher or site which informs players of this). The thread is now 95 pages long... for a game with one server cluster.
Doesn't seem "overblown" to me....
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Here's an example. Recently there were some people talking about the servers crashing a lot. It started at every hour, then every 15 minutes, then every 5 minutes, then every 30 seconds. It was so overblown, and people were still talking about it as if the game was unplayable even when the server stability was fixed to where you could play several hours before a crash, and half of those crashes were either downtime for patches or manual reboots. The reason for this is because they didn't actually have the game and they were just repeating what others were repeating who also didn't have game experience.
The server status thread is the place where users are supposed to self-report when the server goes down (since there is nothing on the launcher or site which informs players of this). The thread is now 95 pages long... for a game with one server cluster.
Doesn't seem "overblown" to me....
Heh, so again you have no personal experience but base all of your arguments on what people say on internet forums (a la the server status thread... where 20 people post for every server crash and debate the finer points of in-game nudity when the server's being maintained).
So you proved his point. But I'm sure you'll find a thread that proves you right.
Here's an example. Recently there were some people talking about the servers crashing a lot. It started at every hour, then every 15 minutes, then every 5 minutes, then every 30 seconds. It was so overblown, and people were still talking about it as if the game was unplayable even when the server stability was fixed to where you could play several hours before a crash, and half of those crashes were either downtime for patches or manual reboots. The reason for this is because they didn't actually have the game and they were just repeating what others were repeating who also didn't have game experience.
The server status thread is the place where users are supposed to self-report when the server goes down (since there is nothing on the launcher or site which informs players of this). The thread is now 95 pages long... for a game with one server cluster.
Doesn't seem "overblown" to me....
This thread was used for beta too and many times it used to go down you'd get 2-3 or more pages of people spamming it or talking about off topic things.
The server status thread is the place where users are supposed to self-report when the server goes down (since there is nothing on the launcher or site which informs players of this). The thread is now 95 pages long... for a game with one server cluster.
Doesn't seem "overblown" to me....
Heh, so again you have no personal experience but base all of your arguments on what people say on internet forums (a la the server status thread... where 20 people post for every server crash and debate the finer points of in-game nudity when the server's being maintained).
So you proved his point. But I'm sure you'll find a thread that proves you right.
funkmastaD: Server's shaky as hell now (much better since yesterday's patch, but could definately use improvement)
That post was 2 days ago...Are you now claiming that the server wasn't "shaky as hell"? Obviously there was an issue with server stability. Obviously it was severe enough to be refered to as "shaky as hell"...
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The server status thread is the place where users are supposed to self-report when the server goes down (since there is nothing on the launcher or site which informs players of this). The thread is now 95 pages long... for a game with one server cluster.
Doesn't seem "overblown" to me....
Heh, so again you have no personal experience but base all of your arguments on what people say on internet forums (a la the server status thread... where 20 people post for every server crash and debate the finer points of in-game nudity when the server's being maintained).
So you proved his point. But I'm sure you'll find a thread that proves you right.
funkmastaD: Server's shaky as hell now (much better since yesterday's patch, but could definately use improvement)
That post was 2 days ago...Are you now claiming that the server wasn't "shaky as hell"? Obviously there was an issue with server stability. Obviously it was severe enough to be refered to as "shaky as hell"...
Heheh, first off, I was right... you DID use another thread to try to prove your point.
The server was shaky for an MMO (if we were to compare it to a commercial MMO that's been released more than a week), but not nearly as dire as some posters have been claiming. This, I believe, was DAS's point as well. Occasional server crashes does NOT mean "unplayable", it just means "less stable than ideal".
edit: besides, didn't you try to claim that list to be false (or even worse, based on opinion)?
funkmastaD: Server's shaky as hell now (much better since yesterday's patch, but could definately use improvement)
That post was 2 days ago...Are you now claiming that the server wasn't "shaky as hell"? Obviously there was an issue with server stability. Obviously it was severe enough to be refered to as "shaky as hell"...
Heheh, first off, I was right... you DID use another thread to try to prove your point.
The server was shaky for an MMO (if we were to compare it to a commercial MMO that's been released more than a week), but not nearly as dire as some posters have been claiming. This, I believe, was DAS's point as well. Occasional server crashes does NOT mean "unplayable", it just means "less stable than ideal".
edit: besides, didn't you try to claim that list to be false (or even worse, based on opinion)?
Perhaps then it is simply a poor choice of words which helped feed the confusion. Normally one would not associate "occassional server crashes" with being described as "shaky as hell"
But yes.. this was EXACTLY what I meant by opinion. One persons "shaky as hell" is another persons occassional server crash. Like most things we discuss it is open to interpretation. Usually leading to an endless circular argument similar to the one described in my signature. Time will be the true test of what becomes fact and what is unveilled as opinion.
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funkmastaD: Server's shaky as hell now (much better since yesterday's patch, but could definately use improvement)
That post was 2 days ago...Are you now claiming that the server wasn't "shaky as hell"? Obviously there was an issue with server stability. Obviously it was severe enough to be refered to as "shaky as hell"...
Heheh, first off, I was right... you DID use another thread to try to prove your point.
The server was shaky for an MMO (if we were to compare it to a commercial MMO that's been released more than a week), but not nearly as dire as some posters have been claiming. This, I believe, was DAS's point as well. Occasional server crashes does NOT mean "unplayable", it just means "less stable than ideal".
edit: besides, didn't you try to claim that list to be false (or even worse, based on opinion)?
Perhaps then it is simply a poor choice of words which helped feed the confusion. Normally one would not associate "occassional server crashes" with being described as "shaky as hell"
But yes.. this was EXACTLY what I meant by opinion. One persons "shaky as hell" is another persons occassional server crash. Like most things we discuss it is open to interpretation. Usually leading to an endless circular argument similar to the one described in my signature. Time will be the true test of what becomes fact and what is unveilled as opinion.
Perhapes if you tried the game you would form your own real opinion and there would be no need to longer discuss.
funkmastaD: Server's shaky as hell now (much better since yesterday's patch, but could definately use improvement)
That post was 2 days ago...Are you now claiming that the server wasn't "shaky as hell"? Obviously there was an issue with server stability. Obviously it was severe enough to be refered to as "shaky as hell"...
Heheh, first off, I was right... you DID use another thread to try to prove your point.
The server was shaky for an MMO (if we were to compare it to a commercial MMO that's been released more than a week), but not nearly as dire as some posters have been claiming. This, I believe, was DAS's point as well. Occasional server crashes does NOT mean "unplayable", it just means "less stable than ideal".
edit: besides, didn't you try to claim that list to be false (or even worse, based on opinion)?
Perhaps then it is simply a poor choice of words which helped feed the confusion. Normally one would not associate "occassional server crashes" with being described as "shaky as hell"
But yes.. this was EXACTLY what I meant by opinion. One persons "shaky as hell" is another persons occassional server crash. Like most things we discuss it is open to interpretation. Usually leading to an endless circular argument similar to the one described in my signature. Time will be the true test of what becomes fact and what is unveilled as opinion.
Yes, when I chose that wording I failed to recognize that my post would be used to defend blatant lies being perpetuated against the game. Now please don't make me regret giving objective criticism; the last thing this forum needs is MORE polarization of position.
Also, you've abandoned the thread you linked to. People are curious about the 4 bulletpoints whose truth you're refuting.
Perhapes if you tried the game you would form your own real opinion and there would be no need to longer discuss.
Can I use your account? If not, do they have a free trial again?
Last time I tried to buy the game they sent me a useless DVD that wouldn't install the game inside a otherwise empty box and told me to download it. The rest of my issues with the company are well documented here so I won't go into them. I did however play during the open beta, as well as the closed beta (BLOCK A) before obtaining a chargeback. I also have watched live feeds after launch day. The beauty of the live feed is that you can sit and watch the same login screen as the people that pay to play. Sadly of the 4 I was following... 1 was banned after he was using a hack program during his live feed while taking requests in the official IRC (cheaters suck) , 2 have stopped playing and I haven't seen the last one active (swirishninja) hasn't streamed in over a week...
If you know of an active livestream let me know and I'l be happy to watch some more!
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But yes.. this was EXACTLY what I meant by opinion. One persons "shaky as hell" is another persons occassional server crash. Like most things we discuss it is open to interpretation. Usually leading to an endless circular argument similar to the one described in my signature. Time will be the true test of what becomes fact and what is unveilled as opinion.
Yes, when I chose that wording I failed to recognize that my post would be used to defend blatant lies being perpetuated against the game. Now please don't make me regret giving objective criticism; the last thing this forum needs is MORE polarization of position.
Also, you've abandoned the thread you linked to. People are curious about the 4 bulletpoints whose truth you're refuting.
Another fallacy. Because something is an opinion doesn't mean it is't true. I "abandoned" that thread because of exactly what I posted above. I did just give you one example however.. so I am sure that you can find the other 3 if you really try :-)
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Here's an example. Recently there were some people talking about the servers crashing a lot. It started at every hour, then every 15 minutes, then every 5 minutes, then every 30 seconds. It was so overblown, and people were still talking about it as if the game was unplayable even when the server stability was fixed to where you could play several hours before a crash, and half of those crashes were either downtime for patches or manual reboots. The reason for this is because they didn't actually have the game and they were just repeating what others were repeating who also didn't have game experience.
The server status thread is the place where users are supposed to self-report when the server goes down (since there is nothing on the launcher or site which informs players of this). The thread is now 95 pages long... for a game with one server cluster.
Doesn't seem "overblown" to me....
Dude, I was there for AoC and WAR launches and the servers were an absolute mess. Those were from mainstream MMO development companies. Do you honestly expect their servers to be rock solid on launch day? I honestly can't believe some of these people, it's as if they've never actually been present for a MMO launch before. Hell, when WoW introduced weather, their servers were being destroyed. And that was 2-3 years after launch. This is just getting funny.
But yes.. this was EXACTLY what I meant by opinion. One persons "shaky as hell" is another persons occassional server crash. Like most things we discuss it is open to interpretation. Usually leading to an endless circular argument similar to the one described in my signature. Time will be the true test of what becomes fact and what is unveilled as opinion.
Yes, when I chose that wording I failed to recognize that my post would be used to defend blatant lies being perpetuated against the game. Now please don't make me regret giving objective criticism; the last thing this forum needs is MORE polarization of position.
Also, you've abandoned the thread you linked to. People are curious about the 4 bulletpoints whose truth you're refuting.
Another fallacy. Because something is an opinion doesn't mean it is't true. I "abandoned" that thread because of exactly what I posted above. I did just give you one example however.. so I am sure that you can find the other 3 if you really try :-)
I don't like arguing semantics. Point is, your implication is that the bulletpoints were not factual, only matters of opinion. You said this in direct refutation of someone calling them "facts". It stands to reason than, that you find the subject of four of these bullet points to be matters of opinion, not matters of fact.
Now you say that my claims of intermittent server instability was one of the bulletpoints to which you previously referred; am I to understand that you are refuting that "MO servers are unstable" (in colorful language, for which I suppose I should appologize) is a fact? If you believe this to not be a matter of fact, I will solemnly concede, in that thread, that - according to Slapshot - servers are not as bad as I stated and my assessment; despite being based on universally shared experience - as demonstrated in the thread you linked here - is arguably a matter of opinion. I still assert that the crashing of servers that took place at the time of that writing could safely constitute an unstable (shaky) server.
Moot point now, since I wouldn't use that wording to describe the servers for the past couple days... at any rate, I find it interesting that THAT'S the bullet point you decide to reveal as being non-factual.
Moot point now, since I wouldn't use that wording to describe the servers for the past couple days... at any rate, I find it interesting that THAT'S the bullet point you decide to reveal as being non-factual.
When you use words like "shaky as hell" you are obviously stating an opinion. Whether I agree with that opinion or not has no bearing on the matter. A fact would be "The servers crashed 10 times yesterday" or "The servers only went down once today for maintenance".
Once again, language seems to be the issue here. I intentionally used that above example in an effort to demonstrate that.
I was going to list each example for you, but it sounded preechy ( as does the above truthfully.. so I apologize for that but you have asked around 5 times..) and honestly like a school teacher. If you are truely interested feel free to PM me and I will be happy to further explain the relationship between facts, opinions and truth instead of boring the rest of the audience.
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The server stability and performance have improved lots the last 2 weeks. It's lags less than ever even thou there are crowded with people on the server during peek time. I can't almost get to the bank with all people everywhere.
Moot point now, since I wouldn't use that wording to describe the servers for the past couple days... at any rate, I find it interesting that THAT'S the bullet point you decide to reveal as being non-factual.
When you use words like "shaky as hell" you are obviously stating an opinion. Whether I agree with that opinion or not has no bearing on the matter. A fact would be "The servers crashed 10 times yesterday" or "The servers only went down once today for maintenance".
Once again, language seems to be the issue here. I intentionally used that above example in an effort to demonstrate that.
I was going to list each example for you, but it sounded preechy ( as does the above truthfully.. so I apologize for that but you have asked around 5 times..) and honestly like a school teacher. If you are truely interested feel free to PM me and I will be happy to further explain the relationship between facts, opinions and truth instead of boring the rest of the audience.
Opinion - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
He had grounds to produce a conclusion based on complete certaintly by the experience he and everyone else had with said server. Did he say 'I think the servers were shaky as hell'? Did anyone disagree with his statement that had first hand experience?
If the sky is blue and I say it's blue, then it is. Which must mean if the server is shaky as hell and he says it is, then it is true. Just because he didn't go into detailed specifics, that doesn't mean it is any less factual. It just means that it was a generalized statement.
Why exactly are you arguing about this anyway? Is this like an Epeen intelligence battle or something?
Moot point now, since I wouldn't use that wording to describe the servers for the past couple days... at any rate, I find it interesting that THAT'S the bullet point you decide to reveal as being non-factual.
When you use words like "shaky as hell" you are obviously stating an opinion. Whether I agree with that opinion or not has no bearing on the matter. A fact would be "The servers crashed 10 times yesterday" or "The servers only went down once today for maintenance".
Once again, language seems to be the issue here. I intentionally used that above example in an effort to demonstrate that.
I was going to list each example for you, but it sounded preechy ( as does the above truthfully.. so I apologize for that but you have asked around 5 times..) and honestly like a school teacher. If you are truely interested feel free to PM me and I will be happy to further explain the relationship between facts, opinions and truth instead of boring the rest of the audience.
Opinion - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
He had grounds to produce a conclusion based on complete certaintly by the experience he and everyone else had with said server. Did he say 'I think the servers were shaky as hell'? Did anyone disagree with his statement that had first hand experience?
If the sky is blue and I say it's blue, then it is. Which must mean if the server is shaky as hell and he says it is, then it is true. Just because he didn't go into detailed specifics, that doesn't mean it is any less factual. It just means that it was a generalized statement.
Why exactly are you arguing about this anyway? Is this like an Epeen intelligence battle or something?
ROFL
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It is playable now. I have fun playing as lots of others have. Performance on the client is impressive even at the crowded towns around the world at peek time. I only got little lag and still I got a 3,5 year old computer.
At launch day the server ticked like a clock, then after two hours it started to crash like once each hour or so. Then SV patched in fixes for both client and server and now it is much more stable even thou the server goes down from time to aothe. But it is very playable.
It is playable now. I have fun playing as lots of others have. Performance on the client is impressive even at the crowded towns around the world at peek time. I only got little lag and still I got a 3,5 year old computer.
At launch day the server ticked like a clock, then after two hours it started to crash like once each hour or so. Then SV patched in fixes for both client and server and now it is much more stable even thou the server goes down from time to aothe. But it is very playable.
The real problem right now is that SV isn't able(for whatever reason) to operate in shifts in order to keep the server running. When they leave for work, it's a crap shoot as to whether or not the server will stay up all night. There is supposed to be an aut0-reboot script for when they can't actually 'man the battlestations', so to speak. It's obviously not working as it's intended though.
If you read the forums, most of the people there are less concerned with the bugs and glitches in the game than they are with the server down time. When the server is up, it seems as though the majority of posters there absolutely enjoy the game.
SV is going to compensate them with more gametime, but they are avoiding the issue of actually fixing the downtime, or getting staff to cover the night shift. In that thread, I can bet a whole bunch of people turned off their recurring subscription as well. Many people stated they have turned it off explicitly, many we can assume did it anyway with their comments about how poorly SV is doing, one going so far as to wish them luck bagging groceries after the company goes belly up.
If that isn't irate behavior due to server instability, I don't know what is.
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It was fine. Tomato & avacodo sandwh-- ohh wait, read that wrong. Right.
Any facts behind this projection, or pure speculation?
No this person has no real information to back up those statements. I am giving them another month subscription and there are quite a few people on these forums that are doing it too. Not to mention quite a few people in the game seem to enjoy it that I've spoken with. I actually haven't seen a single person talk negatively at all in game, imagine that.
This game will far surpass Darkfalls subscription base, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few come to this side of the fence.
When it happens, remember who the crazy one is.
I actually play the game and I've had no problems pointing out the issues with MO. That said, none of those issues are game-breaking or design flaw issues. The systems that are currectly in place are very good, it's just a matter of doing the massive amount of polishing that it's going to take to make it look the way it should.
I bet you don't even play. People like to throw their ideas around so much here without any actual experience with the game. Just to let you know, I absolutely hated the beta phase of this game. I hated it so much that I didn't actually play it for the last four or five months until release. I decided to give it shot since I already paid for the game and my free month was active. They've done a good job. That's not fanboy behavior, it's just a product that came really far, really quick. It's impressed me to the point to actually give it time. They are obviously doing something right.
There are so many people like you who hear bad things from people who heard bad things from other people. Those people heard something bad from someone else, and very few of these people actually have any experience with the game at all. Here's an example. Recently there were some people talking about the servers crashing a lot. It started at every hour, then every 15 minutes, then every 5 minutes, then every 30 seconds. It was so overblown, and people were still talking about it as if the game was unplayable even when the server stability was fixed to where you could play several hours before a crash, and half of those crashes were either downtime for patches or manual reboots. The reason for this is because they didn't actually have the game and they were just repeating what others were repeating who also didn't have game experience.
Play the game first.
The server status thread is the place where users are supposed to self-report when the server goes down (since there is nothing on the launcher or site which informs players of this). The thread is now 95 pages long... for a game with one server cluster.
Doesn't seem "overblown" to me....
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Heh, so again you have no personal experience but base all of your arguments on what people say on internet forums (a la the server status thread... where 20 people post for every server crash and debate the finer points of in-game nudity when the server's being maintained).
So you proved his point. But I'm sure you'll find a thread that proves you right.
This thread was used for beta too and many times it used to go down you'd get 2-3 or more pages of people spamming it or talking about off topic things.
No need... your own posts support it: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/281843/page/2
funkmastaD: Server's shaky as hell now (much better since yesterday's patch, but could definately use improvement)
That post was 2 days ago...Are you now claiming that the server wasn't "shaky as hell"? Obviously there was an issue with server stability. Obviously it was severe enough to be refered to as "shaky as hell"...
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Heheh, first off, I was right... you DID use another thread to try to prove your point.
The server was shaky for an MMO (if we were to compare it to a commercial MMO that's been released more than a week), but not nearly as dire as some posters have been claiming. This, I believe, was DAS's point as well. Occasional server crashes does NOT mean "unplayable", it just means "less stable than ideal".
edit: besides, didn't you try to claim that list to be false (or even worse, based on opinion)?
Perhaps then it is simply a poor choice of words which helped feed the confusion. Normally one would not associate "occassional server crashes" with being described as "shaky as hell"
But yes.. this was EXACTLY what I meant by opinion. One persons "shaky as hell" is another persons occassional server crash. Like most things we discuss it is open to interpretation. Usually leading to an endless circular argument similar to the one described in my signature. Time will be the true test of what becomes fact and what is unveilled as opinion.
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Perhapes if you tried the game you would form your own real opinion and there would be no need to longer discuss.
Yes, when I chose that wording I failed to recognize that my post would be used to defend blatant lies being perpetuated against the game. Now please don't make me regret giving objective criticism; the last thing this forum needs is MORE polarization of position.
Also, you've abandoned the thread you linked to. People are curious about the 4 bulletpoints whose truth you're refuting.
The ship's sailed on that... I believe Slapshot and I would both agree he's formed his opinion on the game months ago.
Can I use your account? If not, do they have a free trial again?
Last time I tried to buy the game they sent me a useless DVD that wouldn't install the game inside a otherwise empty box and told me to download it. The rest of my issues with the company are well documented here so I won't go into them. I did however play during the open beta, as well as the closed beta (BLOCK A) before obtaining a chargeback. I also have watched live feeds after launch day. The beauty of the live feed is that you can sit and watch the same login screen as the people that pay to play. Sadly of the 4 I was following... 1 was banned after he was using a hack program during his live feed while taking requests in the official IRC (cheaters suck) , 2 have stopped playing and I haven't seen the last one active (swirishninja) hasn't streamed in over a week...
If you know of an active livestream let me know and I'l be happy to watch some more!
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Another fallacy. Because something is an opinion doesn't mean it is't true. I "abandoned" that thread because of exactly what I posted above. I did just give you one example however.. so I am sure that you can find the other 3 if you really try :-)
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Dude, I was there for AoC and WAR launches and the servers were an absolute mess. Those were from mainstream MMO development companies. Do you honestly expect their servers to be rock solid on launch day? I honestly can't believe some of these people, it's as if they've never actually been present for a MMO launch before. Hell, when WoW introduced weather, their servers were being destroyed. And that was 2-3 years after launch. This is just getting funny.
I rarely have any crashing issues anymore. /shrug
I don't like arguing semantics. Point is, your implication is that the bulletpoints were not factual, only matters of opinion. You said this in direct refutation of someone calling them "facts". It stands to reason than, that you find the subject of four of these bullet points to be matters of opinion, not matters of fact.
Now you say that my claims of intermittent server instability was one of the bulletpoints to which you previously referred; am I to understand that you are refuting that "MO servers are unstable" (in colorful language, for which I suppose I should appologize) is a fact? If you believe this to not be a matter of fact, I will solemnly concede, in that thread, that - according to Slapshot - servers are not as bad as I stated and my assessment; despite being based on universally shared experience - as demonstrated in the thread you linked here - is arguably a matter of opinion. I still assert that the crashing of servers that took place at the time of that writing could safely constitute an unstable (shaky) server.
Moot point now, since I wouldn't use that wording to describe the servers for the past couple days... at any rate, I find it interesting that THAT'S the bullet point you decide to reveal as being non-factual.
edit: here's the link Slapshot posted, sincethe quote was gutted and I don't wanna be taken out of context: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/281843/page/2
When you use words like "shaky as hell" you are obviously stating an opinion. Whether I agree with that opinion or not has no bearing on the matter. A fact would be "The servers crashed 10 times yesterday" or "The servers only went down once today for maintenance".
Once again, language seems to be the issue here. I intentionally used that above example in an effort to demonstrate that.
I was going to list each example for you, but it sounded preechy ( as does the above truthfully.. so I apologize for that but you have asked around 5 times..) and honestly like a school teacher. If you are truely interested feel free to PM me and I will be happy to further explain the relationship between facts, opinions and truth instead of boring the rest of the audience.
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The server stability and performance have improved lots the last 2 weeks. It's lags less than ever even thou there are crowded with people on the server during peek time. I can't almost get to the bank with all people everywhere.
Opinion - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
He had grounds to produce a conclusion based on complete certaintly by the experience he and everyone else had with said server. Did he say 'I think the servers were shaky as hell'? Did anyone disagree with his statement that had first hand experience?
If the sky is blue and I say it's blue, then it is. Which must mean if the server is shaky as hell and he says it is, then it is true. Just because he didn't go into detailed specifics, that doesn't mean it is any less factual. It just means that it was a generalized statement.
Why exactly are you arguing about this anyway? Is this like an Epeen intelligence battle or something?
ROFL
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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It is playable now. I have fun playing as lots of others have. Performance on the client is impressive even at the crowded towns around the world at peek time. I only got little lag and still I got a 3,5 year old computer.
At launch day the server ticked like a clock, then after two hours it started to crash like once each hour or so. Then SV patched in fixes for both client and server and now it is much more stable even thou the server goes down from time to aothe. But it is very playable.
The real problem right now is that SV isn't able(for whatever reason) to operate in shifts in order to keep the server running. When they leave for work, it's a crap shoot as to whether or not the server will stay up all night. There is supposed to be an aut0-reboot script for when they can't actually 'man the battlestations', so to speak. It's obviously not working as it's intended though.
If you read the forums, most of the people there are less concerned with the bugs and glitches in the game than they are with the server down time. When the server is up, it seems as though the majority of posters there absolutely enjoy the game.
LOL, then you'll have to explain why this thread has 9 pages of replies, about 330+ posts, of people fed-up with the server downtimes.
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/46893-servers-down-again-during-u-s-prime-time-sv-please-read.html
SV is going to compensate them with more gametime, but they are avoiding the issue of actually fixing the downtime, or getting staff to cover the night shift. In that thread, I can bet a whole bunch of people turned off their recurring subscription as well. Many people stated they have turned it off explicitly, many we can assume did it anyway with their comments about how poorly SV is doing, one going so far as to wish them luck bagging groceries after the company goes belly up.
If that isn't irate behavior due to server instability, I don't know what is.